Slashdot Mirror


IBM Using Complex Math To Manage Natural Disasters

coondoggie brings us a NetworkWorld story about IBM's efforts to use complex algorithms to manage responses to natural disasters. Researchers are making use of recent increases in processor speed and algorithm efficiency to develop a scalable, flexible model capable of handling the complicated planning involved in reacting to a crisis. Quoting: "'We are creating a set of intellectual properties and software assets that can be employed to gauge and improve levels of preparedness to tackle unforeseen natural disasters,' says Dr. Gyana Parija. 'Most real-world problems involve uncertainty, and this has been the inspiration for us to tackle challenges in natural disaster management.' In the case of flooding, for example, the stochastic programming model would use various flood scenarios, resource supply capabilities at different dispatch locations, and fixed and variable costs associated with deployment of various flood-management resources to manage various risk measures. By assigning probabilities to the factors driving outcomes, the model outlines how limited resources can meet tomorrow's unknown demands or liabilities. In this way, the risks and rewards of various tradeoffs can be explored, IBM said."

115 comments

  1. It won't save us by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Informative

    High-performance computing won't save us from idiots in high places, even during natural disasters. Case in point: Michael D. Brown, who was in charge of FEMA during the Hurricane Katrina ordeal. From the wikipedia article:

    "...Some members interviewed felt Brown showed an imperious attitude, and nicknamed him 'The Czar'."

    Heckuva job, Brownie! More optimistically, I hope that their algorithms could predict the 4 or 5 "wild"- fires in Southern California which are all started mysteriously(on the same day) "in season."

    1. Re:It won't save us by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      More optimistically, I hope that their algorithms could predict the 4 or 5 "wild"- fires in Southern California which are all started mysteriously(on the same day) "in season."


      Shouldn't be too hard. One of the things they discovered while studying line noise in telephone circuits is that the cause of the noise doesn't matter: it could be induction from nearby motors, bad connections influenced by the wind, or short-circuits triggered by someone dropping a screwdriver -- it all fits into the statistical patterns. In the case of fires, it doesn't matter if it's lightning, arson, or volcanic eruption, the pattens still hold.
      --
      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    2. Re:It won't save us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I wonder if it's a coincidence that this news came just a couple days after the EPA announced it was banning IBM from bidding on future contracts.


      "Hey, look at what our scientists are coming up with using advanced supercomputer models to forecast hurricanes, forest fires, and climate change! Here are the predictions for the rest of 2008, 2009, 2010..." (holds printouts close to face) "...wow, these are potentially devastating consequences for the ol' USA unless our government leaders are unusually skillful and courageous...."

    3. Re:It won't save us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      i'd parse your post but i'm still stuck on your sig.

      to almost alliterate a little.

    4. Re:It won't save us by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heckuva job, Brownie! More optimistically, I hope that their algorithms could predict the 4 or 5 "wild"- fires in Southern California which are all started mysteriously(on the same day) "in season."
      What's your guess? Blackwater, with black helicopters, in the forest? I'm going with Col. Mustard, with the candle-stick, in the grasslands.
    5. Re:It won't save us by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope that their algorithms could predict the 4 or 5 "wild"- fires in Southern California which are all started mysteriously If there's enough money in it, I can predict a mysterious fire just about anywhere at any time.
      --
      He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
    6. Re:It won't save us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already run that program and the answer I got was 42.

      Seriously, keep adding abstractions and bureaucracy levels between the disaster and the executive and the results will son be tragicomic.

      -Fear no more citizens of Los Angeles we have brought with us all available rescuers in the US.
      -But the storm was in New York..
      -Oh no we better hurry.
      -..3 months ago.

      The news headlines three months ago:
      -The fate of all the rescuers in the US is still unknown after they activated the infinite beauro-maton. Who knows where the electronic bureaucrat will spit them out and in what state....

    7. Re:It won't save us by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      More optimistically, I hope that their algorithms could predict the 4 or 5 "wild"- fires in Southern California which are all started mysteriously(on the same day) "in season."

      The algorithms aren't designed to predict disasters, but to manage the response to disasters in progress. (Which isn't actually very easy.)
    8. Re:It won't save us by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, to be a contrarian, Brown may have deserved censure, but I think criticism of him is exaggerated. In some ways, his most distinctive failings were political.

      True, the real issue was that FEMA wasn't ready, and he was supposed to be in charge making sure it was ready, but it's not like he's just one bad apple in the bunch. He might not have recommended enough, but the administration didn't even back him in what he had recommended.

      As for his imperiousness, well, what do you expect? When the higher ups don't want to hear bad news, somebody's got to be the one who is the face of unresponsiveness to the people trying to prepare for the worst. I can't think of a single instance of a crisis this administration was even remotely prepared for, even crises of their own making.

      It's gotten to the point where this almost works for them. When an administration official gets up and says something starting with "Nobody could have forseen...," nobody expects them to have foreen whatever it was, or to have listened to the people below them who were forecasting it all along. When the pressure gets too much, they just pick a patsy to throw to the wolves, but the real problem is that the whole lot of them are managing the country from the viewpoint of an alternate reality.

      Then the President will sanctimoniously tell us that this stuff is "hard work", which is true. It is also why it would be good idea to govern like these problems need to be addressed by more than managing the bad news until the only thing you can do is find a scapegoat.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    9. Re:It won't save us by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      it all fits into the statistical patterns. In the case of fires, it doesn't matter if it's lightning, arson, or volcanic eruption, the pattens still hold.
      It leads one to wonder whether being statistically significant, is itself statistically significant?
      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
    10. Re:It won't save us by Lurker2288 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you say may be true, but I can't help but think of Nassim Nicholas Taleb and his black swans. He would argue that while your wild fires might fit the existing statistical models, a REAL disaster, the kind with the potential to really knock the country on its ass, would be essentially impossible to predict. I'm not sure I entirely buy into his thinking, but you have to admit, it's usually the unexpected stuff that produces the greatest impact.

    11. Re:It won't save us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an engineer, huh?

    12. Re:It won't save us by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      It leads one to wonder whether being statistically significant, is itself statistically significant?

      Only if you can do it enough times. :-P

      Cheers
      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  2. complex math... by Runagate+Rampant · · Score: 5, Funny

    sqrt(-1) = natural disaster!

    1. Re:complex math... by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      sqrt(-1) = natural disaster!

      That's an imaginary natural disaster
      --
      Science advances one funeral at a time- Max Planck
    2. Re:complex math... by isomeme · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear the river is expected to crest at 5 + 3i feet over flood stage.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a skull.
    3. Re:complex math... by khallow · · Score: 1

      At least it's natural. Without a canonical basis around which to define natural transformations, it'd become an unnatural disaster.

    4. Re:complex math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like: e^pi*i+1= George Bush hates black people

    5. Re:complex math... by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 1

      I guess a rational response is out of the question, then.

      --
      He who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
    6. Re:complex math... by The_reformant · · Score: 2, Funny

      sqrt(-2) = Irrational Imaginary Natural Disaster

      --
      I have discovered a truly remarkable sig which this post is too small to contain.
    7. Re:complex math... by kabocox · · Score: 1

      sqrt(-1) = natural disaster!
      That's an imaginary natural disaster


      So are we talking about the SimCity disaster button that unleashes a monster or ufo attack?

    8. Re:complex math... by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      sqrt(-pi) = Transcending Irrational Imaginary Natural Disasters

      --
      Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
  3. I'm skeptical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Things this macroscopic generally can't be modeled very well.

    1. Re:I'm skeptical by andy666 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah! Who do they think they are ? If their so smart, why aren't they rich ?

    2. Re:I'm skeptical by SerpentMage · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Want to know something REALLY funny about your comment? The reality is that what they are talking about is typically applied to financial modeling. Though part of the problem we have right now is that the quants ("really smart") guys screwed up the analysis and underdid the risk.

      Thus the reason why they are with IBM doing analysis using stochastic modeling is because they failed in the financial industry. They did not improve returns and thus needed another industry that they could tap for money.

      I work in the financial industry and cracked up laughing when I saw "the science."

      --

      "You can't make a race horse of a pig"
      "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
    3. Re:I'm skeptical by MrMr · · Score: 1

      Funny, I recall IBM going into chem-pharm consulting about two decades too late and trying to pull exactly that trick there as well...

  4. Government by boris111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can they model government indifference to the people's plight?

    1. Re:Government by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is P modded 'flamebait'? He asks a relevant question. The response of government officials may unfortunately be the biggest factor in calculating how to deal with a disaster.

    2. Re:Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Can they model government indifference to the people's plight?"

      FTA: "The model allows all unforeseen challenges to be solved..."

      Apparently, yes.

    3. Re:Government by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      Can they model government indifference to the people's plight? Is there any point to modeling another type of government?
    4. Re:Government by mightyQuin · · Score: 1

      I was wondering the exact same thing. Flamebait seems a little harsh for a valid question.

      The mods are being rather abrasive and cruel. Maybe the new page style is setting them off?

      --
      Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got some idea balls to remove from a manatee tank.
    5. Re:Government by GeffDE · · Score: 1

      "Can they model government indifference to the people's plight?"

      FTA: "The model allows all unforeseen challenges to be solved..."
      I hardly think that the government's indifference could be, ahem, classified as an unforeseen challenge.

      Though I suppose, if the problem is foreseen, it could also probably be dealt with as well.
      --
      It has been a nervous year, with people beginning to feel like Christian Scientists with appendicitis.
  5. IBM vs Natural Disaster by Daimanta · · Score: 0

    Natural Disaster: "Hey, look at me! I am a natural disaster! I destroy things!

    IBM scientist: "No you don't. According to our complex mathematical calculations you do not exist."

    Natural Disaster: "What a load of crock! Ofcourse I ex...."*poof*

    --
    Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
    1. Re:IBM vs Natural Disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't funny.

    2. Re:IBM vs Natural Disaster by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      "This disaster is mathematically impossible. Move along, nothing to see here."

  6. Complex math? by Carnildo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Complex math? Aren't real numbers good enough for the job?

    --
    "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    1. Re:Complex math? by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 5, Funny

      Complex math? Aren't real numbers good enough for the job? You need the imaginary axis to quantify FEMA's competency. :)
    2. Re:Complex math? by jdagius · · Score: 1

      >> Complex math? Aren't real numbers good enough for the job?

      RTFA. It's not about imaginary numbers. That's "complex" as in "complicated" math, specifically stochastic algorithms, which are probability contrained problems dealing with random variables!

    3. Re:Complex math? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure sie's making a jab at incorrectly using the phrase "complex math" in the title. complex math != complicated math. It's math with complex numbers.

      You would think the slashdot crowd of all places would know this. Oh well.

    4. Re:Complex math? by jdagius · · Score: 3, Informative

      I repeat: RTFA. This so-called "complex math" is _not_ about imaginary numbers! It's about stochastic programming and _complex algorithms_ (i.e. complicated). Why don't you mod me up (for a change) so you people can get this straight.

      "The idea is to use high-level math techniques, which IBM calls Stochastic programming, to help speed up and simplify complex tasks "

    5. Re:Complex math? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I repeat, I think they know and are joking about what is really called complex math!

    6. Re:Complex math? by GeffDE · · Score: 1

      Obviously, he's not from here. He suggesting reading TFA, for instance.

      --
      It has been a nervous year, with people beginning to feel like Christian Scientists with appendicitis.
    7. Re:Complex math? by jonadab · · Score: 5, Informative

      > That's "complex" as in "complicated" math

      In mathematics, "complex" does not mean complicated any more than "proper" means correct or "rational" means sane or "group" means any old gathering or collection. These words have very specific meanings in mathematics, and using them for their general-English meaning, in the context of math, is at best confusing and at worst outright misleading.

      You can talk about a "complex algorithm", and people will generally understand you mean a complicated one, because the word "algorithm" lends more of a computer-science context. You can say "complex way of doing things" and convey the idea of complicatedness, because "way of doing things" is sufficiently general that it doesn't really imply any particular context at all. But saying "complex math" very much conveys the idea of the use of complex numbers (i.e., numbers with a real part and an imaginary part, either or neither or both of which may be zero for any given number) because the word "math" strongly implies a mathematics context and draws the math-jargon sense of the word "complex" to the forefront. Only someone who doesn't *know* what the word "complex" means in mathematics would think of any other meaning.

      It's like saying "hedge fund" and expecting people to get the idea that you're collecting money for shrubberies. Only someone with no idea what a hedge fund is would get that impression.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    8. Re:Complex math? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like saying "hedge fund" and expecting people to get the idea that you're collecting money for shrubberies. Only someone with no idea what a hedge fund is would get that impression.


      You mean they're not!?!?!

      What am I going to do with all those shrubs I just bought? I got it! Torch them and see how well this model works!
    9. Re:Complex math? by EveLibertine · · Score: 0, Troll

      I wasn't confused, and neither apparently were most of the people in this thread, let alone everyone else responding who didn't mention this gaff. Your complaints are nothing more than nerd pedantry. Also, your analogy is awful. Furthermore, you are complaining about the title of a slashdot post, and it is well known that the editors hardly pay attention to the titles of these posts, let alone the content that follows.

      In short, I'd like to congratulate you on your Perfect Slashdot Post.

    10. Re:Complex math? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      It's like saying "hedge fund" and expecting people to get the idea that you're collecting money for shrubberies.

      We are the Knights who say 'Ni'!

      --
      One swallow does not a fellatrix make
    11. Re:Complex math? by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. Uniform zero doesn't need an imaginary axis.

    12. Re:Complex math? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      These words have very specific meanings in mathematics, and using them for their general-English meaning, in the context of math, is at best confusing and at worst outright misleading.

      The term of art you're looking for here is "term of art".

  7. Patents by LeoDavinci578 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh man, I just loved this: "We are creating a set of intellectual properties and software assets that can be employed to gauge and improve levels of preparedness to tackle unforeseen natural disasters"

    Awesome, now they get to patent how to respond to natural disasters so that no one else can innovate... another victory for our wonderful patent process!

  8. before the flood of replies... by icegreentea · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before everyone starts smarting at this thing 'predicting' natural disasters, please read the summary carefully (I know your not going to read the article). The math and system is designed to help deal with natural disasters that do happen (like optimizing your relief delivery path, plotting the best places to contain/fight a forest fire, etc etc). It is also used to evaluate how best, and how well current resources could be used in a natural disaster by predicting (yes, there is it, a prediction) most likely challenges, problems, scale and the like. I think it's useful.
    <p>
    The new thing with this apparently is that they're using a new mathematical model that previously was too computationally expensive to do on a large scale. Computers are powerful enough to use these models now.

    1. Re:before the flood of replies... by Quasar+Sera · · Score: 1

      And no matter how mathematically or computationally complex, much boils down to the quality of data and set of assumptions employed in the model.

    2. Re:before the flood of replies... by pipingguy · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a money sink-hole once the beaurocrats get a hold of it. In the old days we used to be able to do this sort of stuff with pencils and a really large napkin.

  9. Easy by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Funny


    if(contribution_of_lobbiests_impacted > 100000000)
    do_something(); /* better respond to them */
    else
    ignore_poor_people(); /* who cares */

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      PeopleWhoUseUnderscoresInTheirVariableAndFunctionNames = null; /* Okay, I'll get off your lawn. Sheesh. */

    2. Re:Easy by Iamthecheese · · Score: 0

      Use of Assignment function for testing a variable: -1 and your nerd card revoked.

      --
      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    3. Re:Easy by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 3, Informative

      First off, he was assigning them to null, not testing whether they are null, so the syntax is correct.

      Secondly, while I know it's somewhat rude make an issue of sigs, you are aware that actual children are harmed in the making of child pornography, right?

    4. Re:Easy by Iamthecheese · · Score: 0

      Yes, and if it were legalized the sick bastards would be caught much faster.

      --
      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    5. Re:Easy by jwo7777777 · · Score: 1

      Child pornography: Thought crime.

      Yes, and if it were legalized the sick bastards would be caught much faster. Non sequitur.

      Making child porn legal would negate the legality of "catching" the "sick bastards."

      There is no "catching" of someone who is behaving legally. You could still assign a disease code to someone who is addicted to child porn, but we aren't in the business of forcing treatment on people for unsavory, but legal behavior.
    6. Re:Easy by Iamthecheese · · Score: 0

      Non sequitur.

      Making child porn legal would negate the legality of "catching" the "sick bastards."

      There is no "catching" of someone who is behaving legally. You could still assign a disease code to someone who is addicted to child porn, but we aren't in the business of forcing treatment on people for unsavory, but legal behavior
      au contrair: Harming a child should be illegal. Filming it should not be illgal. The activity is, in my opinion, evil and harmful and should be punishable by execution. Prooving that the crime was committed (filming it) should be legal. Would you censor films of murders?

      --
      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    7. Re:Easy by dodobh · · Score: 1

      person.add_attribute("make_reading_difficult") if (variable_names.get_style == camelCase);

      --
      I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
  10. That's what an iMac is for by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 1, Funny

    Clearly complex math needs to be computed on an iMac.

    --
    Prime numbers are exactly what Alan Greenspan says they are -S. Minsky
    1. Re:That's what an iMac is for by maglor_83 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Did somebody steal the mods' happy pills today or something?

  11. What about man mande disasters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you predict them? Every now and then, an especially incompetent "leader" seems to gain power some how, and it usually ends in tears. Can they predict this fluctuation in the cycle of the human animal and it's society?

    1. Re:What about man mande disasters? by Chmcginn · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's not about predicting the disasters per se, but about modeling the best way to respond to the disasters.

      In other words, it's concerned with how you get drinking water to the Superdome long enough to get everyone out; it's not concerned with determining where the hurricane lands to begin with.

      --
      Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
  12. At least... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    You didn't use Hungarian.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  13. EVIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are creating a set of intellectual properties and software assets

    Evil. EVIL. EEEEVIL!

  14. Quantifiable by WarJolt · · Score: 1

    Natural disaster may be quantifiable, but do we really want some heartless machine deciding who lives and dies in the case of an emergency? Anyone see I-Robot?

    I don't mean to sound like a stereotypical paranoid geek, but we give too much power to machines they will start controlling our life.

    1. Re:Quantifiable by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...but we give too much power to machines they will start controlling our life.

      You get either a machine or a bureaucrat. Take your choice. At least with a machine, you can turn it off. Just try to get rid of an incompetent bureaucrat or crooked politician who appoints him.

      --
      What?
    2. Re:Quantifiable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone see I-Robot?

      No.
  15. Obligatory by fixer007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was told there would be no math...

  16. Intellectual Properties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the case of a natural disaster please check with your lawyer before responding.

    You may be infringing on a patent...

  17. Short Term FEMA Math... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Natural Disaster + Presidential Photo-Ops = Great PR!

    1. Re:Short Term FEMA Math... by aleger · · Score: 1

      Natural Disaster + Presidential Photo-Ops = Great PR! I would insert line: rollupsleeve(all politicians)
  18. Obligatory by shentino · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long it would take for Charles Eppes to show up...

  19. "unforseen"? by AJWM · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFA: "to tackle unforeseen natural disasters"

    But then it goes on to talk about mostly foreseeable natural disasters. If you live on a flood plain or a low-lying coastal area subject to hurricanes, you're going to get flooded. In an earthquake zone you're going to get earthquakes. Lot of vegetation in an area that has dry spells, fires. And so on.

    Legitimately unforeseen natural disasters would be things like a comet impact, volcanoes erupting in downtown LA, or perhaps alien invasion. Oh wait, that last would be an unnatural disaster, wouldn't it? But come to think of it, the ones I just mentioned have all been foreseen too.

    I guess I just don't foresee a need for this software. Maybe they should work on software for foreseeable disasters.

    --
    -- Alastair
    1. Re:"unforseen"? by lexDysic · · Score: 1

      From TFA: "to tackle unforeseen natural disasters"

      Legitimately unforeseen natural disasters would be things like a comet impact, volcanoes erupting in downtown LA, or perhaps alien invasion. Oh wait, that last would be an unnatural disaster, wouldn't it? But come to think of it, the ones I just mentioned have all been foreseen too. I guess I just don't foresee a need for this software. Maybe they should work on software for foreseeable disasters. What about the Spanish Inquisition? No one forsees the Spanish Inquisition.
      --
      Think! It ain't illegal yet!
      George Clinton
    2. Re:"unforseen"? by slider3618 · · Score: 1

      Apparently no one watches Monty Python anymore :(

    3. Re:"unforseen"? by wgaryhas · · Score: 1

      How about a tornado in Salt Lake City, Utah (way outside the tornado belt)? Happened once a few years ago.

      --
      "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H.L. Mencken
    4. Re:"unforseen"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Legitimately unforeseen natural disasters would be things like a comet impact [imdb.com], volcanoes erupting in downtown LA [imdb.com], or perhaps alien invasion [imdb.com]. Oh wait, that last would be an unnatural disaster, wouldn't it?

      You damned anthropist -- what makes you think aliens aren't part of nature? Where exactly does nature stop for you?

      Learn some respect for other life forms.

      Before they show up and inhale your brain from ten feet away.

  20. Monte Carlo by alexhard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From what I could gather from the summary, this sounds like a glorified Monte Carlo simulation, not exactly something newsworthy..

    --
    Infinite time means everything that can happen, will. You being you is absolutely incidental. You do not exist.
    1. Re:Monte Carlo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, stochastic programming is most definitely not a "glorified Monte Carlo simulation", which is based on random trials, and not guaranteed to find any sort of optimum. In fact, stochastic programming isn't really simulation-based at all. It's more like a set of optimization techniques for solving problems with parametric uncertainties.

      The idea behind it is that parametric uncertainties that can be characterized using a probability distribution. The optimization algorithm itself is often deterministic. (e.g. LP or NLP routines)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_programming

      The word "complex" is misplaced -- I think the author meant complicated. Stochastic problems of nontrivial size require significant computational horsepower to solve, and benefit tremendously from good formulations and massive computational resources.

      That said, I agree, it's not really that newsworthy.

  21. ROFL.... by lord+merlin · · Score: 1

    Someone has been watching too many episodes of numb3rs....

  22. Hat. Old. by PJ+The+Womble · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to do Delphi stuff (I know) for a firm of insurance actuaries. They were writing code for (essentially) predicting how long it would take to pay out for natural disasters. They had some very clever Stochastics in there, along with some nice triangulation/vector stuff too: I remember the names Bornhuetter and Ferguson (sadly it's been a long time and there's been the odd small sweet sherry since, so life isn't that clear recently).

    What I do remember though, is that I mentioned to my superiors that a case-based reasoning engine would take a lot of the (non-discrete) math out of the whole thing. Because things happen and we learn from them. Has the nature of nature changed, or was I wrong in the first place?

    1. Re:Hat. Old. by PJ+The+Womble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's just occured to me that my comment above is a nearly a good example for the discussion (on here? maybe) the other day about the desirability of more complex algorithms, versus the greater and greater amounts of data available, when data mining. Any thoughts?

    2. Re:Hat. Old. by PJ+The+Womble · · Score: 1

      Cripes, I can't buy a response on here these days! It's 03.45 here now, the wife's in bed and I'm to all intents and purposes stuffed. Who could have predicted that? Nor Bornhuetter and Ferguson for sure.

      She's a foot shorter than me but that stuff about a good big 'un beating a good little 'un every time is so much foo!

      Wasn't it Peter Cook, in his incarnation as Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling, who said "Certainly I have learned from my mistakes. And if I had to start all over again, I'm sure I could repeat them exactly!" That's case-based reasoning for you.

      Goodbye world!

    3. Re:Hat. Old. by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Cripes, I can't buy a response on here these days! Ok, I'll bite. Sorry to ruin it for those who would rather watch you twist in the wind.

      The simple answer is that case-based reasoning is limited due to it's static nature. If you can boil your system down to "if this, then that", great. However, many systems are too complex or dynamic for that kind of analysis, and benefit from statistical techniques. Weather forecasting is a classic example. Even "expert" systems, such as for medical diagnosis, make use of probability.

      This is a huge field, and the right approach depends on the problem. There are no simple answers.
    4. Re:Hat. Old. by PJ+The+Womble · · Score: 1

      I realise that rule-based systems (at least the monotonic ones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-monotonic_logic) are static and not of a great deal of use in anything more complex than Eliza (http://i5.nyu.edu/~mm64/x52.9265/january1966.html) games, but CBR is a powerful tool if you incorporate some amount of Bayesian algebra into it.

      That's to say: pick some criteria (say, A and B) which most closely define the essence of the object being looked at, and if the current case has 50% of the required A and 50% of the required B then if BOTH of the attributes are required you AND them and multiply the attribute values (therefore getting 50% * 50% = object is 25% like target). If EITHER of the attributes are required, you OR them and add the values (50% + 50% = object is 100% like target), then apply your result to other attributes, forming a chain of probabilities.

      It's possible to achieve some good results with quite complex problems this way, though of course the real intelligence comes in deciding what the crucial attributes are in the first place!

      I wonder when Google will decide to archive the world's opinions into some kind of a "this thing is like this other thing and unlike this third thing [etc]" database. that would be CBR on the grand scale (and very useful to the marketing profession too, I shouldn't wonder).

  23. $Millions for IBM, $0 for New Orleans by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    And so the Federal government will spend $millions, probably $billions, on no-bid contracts for all kinds of fancy gear, but still won't fix the levees protecting New Orleans.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

    1. Re:$Millions for IBM, $0 for New Orleans by PJ+The+Womble · · Score: 1

      There are no hafnium deposits there, I fear.

    2. Re:$Millions for IBM, $0 for New Orleans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  24. Operations Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words they are using techniques from the area of applied math called Operations Research. Whats new about that? It has been used for years for planning of resources for natural disasters.

  25. IBM Claiming Patent for 'Responding to Chaos' by theodp · · Score: 2, Informative

    And thanks to IBM, responding to a crisis of 9/11 or Katrina magnitude strikes may constitute patent infringement. Big Blue has a patent pending for Optimizing the Selection, Verification, and Deployment of Expert Resources in a Time of Chaos, which covers responding to 'episodes of profound chaos during hurricanes, earthquakes, tidal waves, solar flares, flooding, terrorism, war, and pandemics to name a few.' It's apparently this easy.

  26. Re:complex math / Oblig. XKCD by colenski · · Score: 1
  27. Stochastic programming? by YetAnotherOnlineAcct · · Score: 3, Informative
    Back in the mid 90's I was working on some logistics systems. I remember seeing a software package from some Swedish company that used stochastic programming. The software did spare parts optimization. Tell it what sort of spares you need (Jet engines, parts for oil well), where you need them (O'Hare, an oil rig), how much they cost (I don't know!), how much they cost to store, where you have warehouses, how much storage costs, how long it takes to get one if you need to order it from Boeing or something, what's the interest rate if you need to borrow the money to buy the parts, how long it takes to get from the storage site to where it's needed, and of course the failure rate of the parts, and a few more things I can't remember......

    In other words, it took LOTS of data.

    But, once you entered the data, you could tell the system "I want 99.999% uptime" and it would give you the most cost efficient way to buy and store the parts needed. Or you could start with a budget and find out what sort of availability you could afford. Depending on the size of the operation and criticality of the availability you could save a lot of money or really help with availability.

    It sounds like this software does something similar. In the spares optimization, you don't know which airport your plane will be at when it's engine needs replacing. In the disaster scenario, you don't know where the disaster will strike. In the first case, you're optimizing spare part allocation. In the second you're optimizing recovery supplies and equipment. Either way you get the best probabilities you can and optimize the best you can.

    Yeah, I know. I read the article. AND posted an on-topic, very un-funny comment. I must be new here. Well, this user ID is new, at least.

    1. Re:Stochastic programming? by YetAnotherOnlineAcct · · Score: 1
      Yes, I'm replying to myself, but I didn't really make my point well.

      My point is that the technique isn't new.

      Using Stochastic programming to solve this sort of problem isn't new.

      Using it to solve this sort of problem can be done, but takes a lot of data and isn't easy to use.

  28. stupid by nguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "'We are creating a set of intellectual properties and software assets that can be employed to gauge and improve levels of preparedness to tackle unforeseen natural disasters,' says Dr. Gyana Parija.

    Many research groups are working on simulation and prediction of behavior, natural disasters, preparedness, etc. But the first words out of an IBM researcher's mouth are "intellectual properties and software assets".

    Shame on you.

    1. Re:stupid by Lurker2288 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why shame on them? They're not government, and they're not academics. They wouldn't be doing the research if there wasn't a way to make a buck off of it. If you don't want to shell out for their knowledge or their 'software assets,' then feel free to turn to one of the many other research groups who aren't working for a profit.

    2. Re:stupid by nguy · · Score: 1

      They're free to make profit, but it's still a lousy attitude when the first words out of their mouths are about "intellectual properties" rather than about the results.

      And with an attitude like that, you can be pretty certain that they are going to try and patent miniscule variations on well-known technologies and are going to make a legal nuisance of themselves.

  29. Natural Disaster by supertsaar · · Score: 1

    IBM is a bit of a natural disaster all by itself.....

    --
    The Bigger The Headache The Bigger the Pill
  30. new tag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe there should be another tag added? 'Dharma' ? :)

  31. New payents for upcoming disasters? by tashammer · · Score: 1

    i am very suspicious that a large corporation such as IBM is beavering away creating and no doubt patenting "intellectual properties" that may cover critical ares of need with the advent of global warming, global dimming and the potential water level rises. Seems somewhat opportunistic when it would appear to be global PTSD. (Just think of Katrina on a global scale).

  32. WHAT'S THAT SMELL? by ancient_kings · · Score: 2

    Oh, yet another SD article completely composed of BS! Geeez, can we stop with the "I'm using really, REALLY complex (math/algorithms/hardware/physics/chemistry/lollipops) so therefore, my research can do this impossible task that nobody else can do. What's funny, in a year or two, all is forgotten about said "complex algorithms" ...blah..blah...blah...

  33. How would you rather choose? by Chmcginn · · Score: 1
    The current system (letting nepotically chosen subordinates with no experience in their field) doesn't seem to be working out that well, either. At least with a computer program, you can examine the criteria and decide if it makes sense.

    It something like triaging patients in a mass casualty - in the case of limited resources and nearly unlimited casualties, you spend the doctors & nurses time where it will do the most good. Saving a 5 year old with massive head trauma may make you feel all warm and fuzzy, but if that time costs the lives of three adults... well, it's never an easy choice to make, and sometimes it would be easier to let a computer make these kinds of harsh decisions.

    --
    Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
  34. Fight fire with fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complex math??? The cure sounds worse than the disease...

    When dealing with natural disasters, I stick to the natural numbers.

    Yours,
    math flunker

  35. We are in the midst of failure of such analysis... by Money+for+Nothin' · · Score: 2, Informative

    The current financial market crisis is considered by many economists and finance professionals to be due in part to the failure of such computationally-intensive risk-management models as those it sounds like IBM is creating.

  36. This was done in the 70s by benwiggy · · Score: 1

    I think you'll find that Led Zeppelin identified the problem some years ago:

    "If it keeps on raining: levee's gonna break.
    When the levee breaks: mama, you got to move."

    FEMA have been using this model for some time now.....

    Perhaps it does need a rethink.

  37. Too bad by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 1

    Too bad they can't sell this to the FEMA anymore.

    --
    For great justice.
  38. Dear IBM: Please Use Complex Math To Manage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    the disasters created by this CRIMINAL.

    Thank your for your consideration.

    PatRIOTically,
    Kilgore Trout

  39. Private industry responses by TheSync · · Score: 1
    There are already many large private industries that extensively study the most efficient ways to distribute materials in a responsive way.

    Lessons from the Private Sector and the Coast Guard During Katrina

    Private-sector planning for the storm began days ahead of landfall. On the Friday prior to the Monday landfall, Home Depot activated the "war room" at its Atlanta headquarters, negotiating with various vendors to get needed supplies staged to move into the hurricane zone. Wal-Mart's response began slightly earlier. As part of its regular operations, the company maintains an emergency command center...

    ...Between August 29 and September 16, Wal-Mart shipped almost 2,500 truckloads of merchandise to the affected areas and had drivers and trucks in place to ship relief supplies to community members and organizations wishing to help. Home Depot provided more than 800 truckloads worth of supplies to the hard-hit areas and also used buses to transport 1,000 employees from other areas into the region. Wal-Mart also provided a large amount of free merchandise, including prescription drugs, to those in the worst-hit areas of the Gulf Coast.

  40. I wonder... by jscalbny · · Score: 1

    The underlying optimization models and algorithms were initially prototyped on a large unnamed US Government program, where the key problem was how to efficiently deploy a large number of critical resources to a range of disaster event scenarios.

    Gee... I wonder what large, unnamed program deploying large numbers of critical assets under crisis scenarios might possibly be...hmm?

    Folks are right that this is nothing completely new, but if they've found a way to speed the computation of it along ("within an hour"?) with less machine resources required... then that is a breakthrough, is it not?

    Yes, there has been this sort of research going on in academic institutions and elsewhere, private and public sectors, internationally (and if you look at IBM's pages that are linked, there is a substantial list of citations, collaborating institutions, et cetera)... but just who do you think is putting up the funding in grants and prizes and such at those other institutions? Why... it's IBM and US Federal agencies! What a shock...

    Granted, the wording of that patent application as it's presented does appear to be way too broad - I don't think IBM is really intending to suggest they hold a patent on disaster relief as a concept? If they have developed an algorithm and software (in-house and through work generated from their grant seed-monies)to facilitate said disaster relief, however, they should be able to expect some ownership and a return on investment shouldn't they?

    On the other hand, I do somewhat suspect that had this software been available to FEMA before Katrina hit the response wouldn't have been a whole lot better. There is only so much you can optimize a crap system, and creating a huge centralized federal bureaucracy dedicated to "emergency management" was just asking for bad response times - this one just showed how bad that response time could get when the event wasn't localized. Sadly, that can't be blamed on Bush since it was done in 1979 (feel free to blame him for taking to long to feign interest if you want - but that never has been his strong suit, has it).

    The unfortunate truth is that no matter how good such software is, no matter how advanced the algorithms, no matter how fast the supercomputers... if it's trying to optimize and implement the unworkable ideas created by politicians it's going to be GIGO.

    Q: What do you call it when you create a sentient supercomputer that can actually think like a politician?

    A: "Artificial Stupidity"

  41. A modest PHProposal... by Zaphod2016 · · Score: 1

    // req vars
    $color = get_skin_pigment($victims);
    $sector = get_sectors_affected($disaster);
    $cost_per_minute = current_price_of_advertising();
    $bling = $db->get_var("SELECT (SUM donated AS bling) FROM data WHERE (in_array($sector))");
    $replair_cost = $num_dead * $cost_per_minute; // conditionals
    If ($color == #ff0000) {$pr = FALSE;} else {$pr = TRUE;} // logic
    If($repair_cost > $bling && $pr) {fix_the_problem();}
    else {call_larry_king();}