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Windows 7 in the Next Year?
Microsoft's efforts to get businesses to adopt Vista may come to a screeching halt now that Bill Gates has announced "Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version", referring to Windows 7, the next expected version of the company's flagship desktop operating system.With a new version available soon, many organizations may decide to wait and see if they can avoid the pain of a Vista rollout altogether.
They may very well test it a bit longer and delay it a bit in the end just to make sure another vistaesque fiasco doesn't roll out.
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Next year? they haven't even started beta yet have they?
But I doubt it'll be a whole new OS. I reckon they'll just change Vista enough so that it doesn't suck anymore. That, combined with a slightly different GUI, and they'll hope they have a successful OS on their hands.
Didn't we just read that they're breaking binary compatibility with Windows XP/Vista in 7? I laud them for doing this, but the idea that a modular, completely-rethought, bloat-free, and binary incompatible Windows is one year away strikes me as nothing short of absurd. The only cases I can see where both of these facts being correct is either that 7 has been in development for at least three years, or the new item is a steaming pile.
The more likely scenario is that we're being mislead (e.g., the inference that he's talking about Windows 7 is wrong, or that the previous article today regarding binary incompatibility is hogwash).
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If you are a windows who^H^H^Huser then this is unlikely to be great news:
1. You've stuck with XP, and windows 7 is just an incremental upgrade of that - you end up paying hundreds for what amounts to a service pack and a polish of the UI
2. You've gone to Vista, and windows 7 is just an incremental upgrade of that. Same as above. Really fucking expensive service pack for an already expensive OS
3. You've gone to Vista, but windows 7 is basically just XP. Thankyou for your generous contribution to the Bill Gates worlds-first-trillionaire fund. Carrying on using the same operating system as you did before.
This is only (partly) good if you stuck with XP, and Windows 7 is based on Vista. Logically this is a strong reason not to buy Vista at all, as if you needed one more.
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we shoot people for Apollo-related non-sequiturs?
Well, a guy can hope, can't he?
Breaking binary compatibility would make development considerably *easier*, not harder.
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This announcement is all about keeping up momentum and stopping people from looking elsewhere.
OF COURSE it won't be released next year, or even the year after. They'll want to "get it 100% right this time".
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Thanks for woefully misrepresenting the nature of Penn's "wait and see" suggestion regarding Vista SP1. Penn's IT org gives that advice regarding virtually every major OS update published by any vendor. In fact, Mac OS 10.5 is was also "wait and see"'d on first release for the exact same reasons. http://www.upenn.edu/computing/provider/docs/originalmacos105provider.html
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This is simply the way MS operates. Windows 7 will be due out next year, for the next 3 years.
It'll be right around the corner, or almost to Beta for at least 2 years, only to have the whole thing scrapped because it's too hard to program anything not NT based.
Most likely this "Windows 7" is a marketing name for what's really planned as a 6.1 release (Vista being 6.0).
That or they're lying; Windows 7 being the next major refresh of Windows in maybe five years but they're wanting you to think about the neat cool stuff while they're actually just talking about a point release next year.
Or, since this is Slashdot, it's sensationalism.
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they will release it, but it will just be a repackaged version of xp. They probably want to switch back to it without anyone really knowing. It like the "new coke"
Brilliant actually. Lets see, you buy a PC at Best Buy and can only get Vista on it. So you go to another shop, and buy a copy of XP and install it. So far a double dip.
Now, next year you shell out more cash and will want to upgrade to Win7. The triple dip, Brilliant.
Where would you like your 5 copies of Mac OS X sent?
I would think that "Linux-like" includes "Free".
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"If there was a company that made a "professional, commercial" Linux-type OS that could run all Windows programs natively..."
"Where would you like your 5 copies of Mac OS X sent?"
You've got to be kidding. This is insightful? Mac OSX is not Linux-like OR able to run Windows app NATIVELY.
Someone with mod points correct this, please.
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That depends on how much they're bringing forward. When including legacy functionality, a tremendous amount of work has to happen to preserve it within a new framework, whereas writing new code that adheres to design goals can be (though not always is) easier to do.
It will be interesting to see how it turns out. I'll be happy just to see them shrink the install size back down to a useful level.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
When has Microsoft said that Windows 7 is "fundamentally different in design" from previous versions?
/. have said that Windows 7 is fundamentally different. But I don't know that I've ever heard that from anyone who claims to work at Microsoft.
I know that various people on
About the only thing that I've heard about Windows 7 is this "minwin" stuff, and as best as I can figure, that's just shuffling chairs on the bridge deck - they've moved code around to make it so that they can boot the OS with a minimal set of functionality. But that's not a fundamental shift in the OS design.
Amazingly enough, you can't trust random crap you read from people on the internet, especially when it comes from anonymous cowards.
Heh, I'm still waiting for the database-based filesystem they bragged so much about when they talked about... Longhorn.
Microsoft is desperate. They can't innovate, they're running out of ideas, and they can't find something so attractive to make users switch.
But here are a few ideas of mine that would make Windows a guaranteed success:
* Revamp the configuration. Slice the configuration for applications into different registries, but add a layer of compatibility. No more corrupted registry blues.
* Virtualize the registry so bad programs can modify hkeylocalmachine but it'll only affect them.
* In fact, virtualize the entire filesystem so a bad program can't screw up your install.
* Instead of babysitting the user with endless "Cancel Allow" dialogs, allow some programs (administrator-defined) to run as administrator (i.e. root) by adding a popup dialog to ask the password. Add the possibility of remembering the password FOR THIS SESSION ONLY.
With the above two measures, users can effectively install any software without worrying about viruses and all that.
* Speaking of filesystems, add native compatibility for ext2,ext3,ext4 (is it out yet?), reiserfs, jfs, xfs, etc. We live in an open world. Add compatibility or die.
* Make Windows non-primary-partition tolerant. Allow it to run in other partitions so it doesn't try to get hold of my entire hard disk.
* Make (or adopt) a decent partitioner that can resize partitions without requiring to buy third party products.
* Give up on the directx "intellectual property" stuff and release the code under a GPL-compatible license.
* Modify the kernel so it can run in Xen without CPU-virtualization extensions.
* Release the specs for developers to be able to make and use their own window managers (i.e.KDE, GNOME, etc) work with Windows.
* Separate the shell from terminals, so users can add their own scripting languages for shells. You know, like bash.
* Add the possibility of having virtual terminals so advanced users can just log in in text-mode.
* The same with hardware drivers.
* Get rid of all that Digital Rights Management crap and allow users to save videos and music in hi-res formats for backups. Windows media player shouldn't allow any copy-protection crap to execute and spy on them.
* Open-source network-based apps and provide official support a-la sourceforge for users to submit bugs and security vulnerabilities.
* Don't sell 7 different versions of the OS. Make the management and administration parts available on the darn CD / DVD.
* Here's an idea: Make (or use) a "/home" partition so users can put their configuration and files in a directory of their own, so advanced users can either boot Windows or Linux and still have their important documents unmodified.
* And please, for the love of everything good in the world, GET RID OF THAT ANTIPIRACY CRAP!!!
Registration, Genuine Advantage, it's driving everyone crazy. It's ironic, I bought a legitimate copy of Windows because I was afraid of Genuine Advantage. But it was the limit on the number of non-phone based activations that pushed me to the limit and made me switch to GNU/Linux. So yes, it's real, you ARE losing users because of the antipiracy measures! (Now that I think about it, can I get a refund on XP? It sucks).
Yes, many of the features I'm asking for are already present in Linux. So is that signing Microsoft's doom? No. Linux is free, so Microsoft doesn't lose anything by letting Linux and Windows coexist on the same machine. The key here is attracting users to KEEP Windows, not forcing them from using any other OS besides Windows.
See the difference?
Start innovating (or at least following the trends) and users will actually WANT to use Windows. Right now users see Windows as a necessary evil: They don't like it but they have to stick with it. Start offering them something MORE.
If Microsoft adopted the above ideas, I'm sure. I would LIKE to buy a copy. "Windows X. Compatible with everything".
Read this and tell me if you still think that.
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I also look at the two-year extension given to XP in the ULCPC market as an indicator of when Microsoft expects Windows 7 to land.
My barely-informed opinion is that we'll never see WFS. Search technologies, parallel processors, and virtual directories (smart folders) have obviated the idea that files need a relational database overlay in order to facilitate structured storage and convenient retrieval. Files and the reasons a person saves and the reasons a person retrieves are a many-to-many-squared hairball and it's difficult for me to imagine that a databased file system approach would be effective without user involvement and that dooms it right there. We all see how Google seems to handle keeping track of the web. Apple tells a story that they were going one way with Spotlight and they realized they had already solved the search problem with iTunes. No, my read is WFS was yanked because others showed how the user could go fishing, get bites, and join in the fish fry without an explicit graph structure overlay of the file system tree.
I think that this announcement is a way for MS to save face. People just aren't flocking to Vista in droves, in fact they aren't using Vista at all unless they are forced into it or are new to the world of computing. By announcing that Windows 7 will be out in a year they can avoid embarrassment by telling everyone that Vista adoption is slow because windows 7 is around the corner.
It's been a long while since I play with Java GUI stuff, but it would have to be a hell of a lot better than it was to convince me it was worth using for anything other than the most trivial desktop apps. [...] Hmm, a quick search finds SWT has come on a bit and might be a viable alternative. Having said that, I assume Eclipse itself uses SWT and Eclipse has always had a treacle-like GUI on every platform I've tried it on (the last time being about 6 months ago on OS X). I don't know if that's down to Eclipse, SWT, SWT on OS X or OS X itself but it not a great advert.
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I definitely bet on Google.
/.ers higher in the thread). All this switch happened, because computer got commoditised. During the IBM era, you had to go to IBM to buy specific mainframes. At the end of IBM's kingship you could buy a PC from them, but also buy a PC-compatible from any other nameless vendor from around the world. Wherever you bought your hardware from, you could install your OS (...DOS from Microsoft...) on it. The fact that the hardware was from IBM became irrelevant, hardware didnt' matter anymore.
See everytime the previous evil empire falls and a new one emerge, we all see a shift in the paradigms f evil empires. It's not a coincidence that an "Evil" empire has become evil. It's because it has become quite efficient at the kind of abuse that are necessary to secure a position, in the "Evil Corp" world. And it won't be easy for a concurrent to replace it in the exact same position. Usually the concurrent replace them by making them irrelevant.
Usually, Evil Corps die in the way of obsolescence. Take the previous old evil empire : IBM.
IBM has achieved a huge monopoly in the market place based on the hardware they were selling.
And they got replaced by Microsoft, which is basically a software company (or an abuse company occasionally selling software as pointed by some
The current evil empire(tm) is a software empire. And they have built their empire on a ground of software monopoly. You have to buy your OS from them, there are the only one selling Windows. What makes Google the best candidate to be the "Next Evil Empire", is that there a good potential to shift paradigm and make the current software-based busyness model obsolete. Microsoft has a solid ground for a software monopoly, only as long as people need to buy their specific software.
Google isn't a company based around software. It's a company which uses standards instead. What they provide are information services : searches, mails, maps, whatever. And they are bloody good at it because they can leverage a decade long experience in data processing/clustering, a decade worth of data mining, tons of different kind of database that they can cross-reference, etc.
But also, all their application are built around standards : most of their service are web applications built around pretty plain standard-compliant HTML.
Whichever software you have installed on you PC doesn't matter anymore. It could be Windows, it could be Mac OS X, it could be one of the dozen nameless Linux-based distribution. As long as it can display HTML properly, it can work.
The same way Microsoft replaced IBM once the PC became a commodity, the same way Google and similar service providers will replace Microsoft once the OS becomes a commodity.
Also, what make specifically Google a potential Evil Corp among other factor, is that once in place they will be hard to compete against.
IBM secured their position because it was hard at that time for another company to come up with competing hardware.
Microsoft secured its position, because of vendor lock-in, no standard-compliance, being the target of most 3rd party applications, etc. : In the beginning some competitors could pull a competing OS, but it won't see adoption because it wouldn't be compatible with all the applications that the Microsoft users already had.
Google will probably secure its position because of the massive amount of experience and data they can leverage. To be performant as a service providing company, a company will probably need very efficient algorithms to process their data, and massive amount of data to process to provide services from. To take the example of websearches, Google have an important head start, because they have had 10 years to perfect their algos, they had 10 years to collect massive amount of data about all pages available on the web, and more i
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Why does everyone seem to think Microsoft introduced the various DRM components into Vista because Hollywood pointed a gun at their heads? Isn't it apparent to everyone that Microsoft is also becoming a purveyor of content as well as computer software (and a variety of other products, of course)? I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Microsoft buy a studio in the next decade assuming they could get it past the Antitrust Division.
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Right idea, but wrong year I think.
/.'er, but I am VERY happy with XP, and very happy to be looking at alternatives (Nix'es) to Vista because of how bad an experience that Vista has been. I think that 2008 - 2009 is the year that many folk, tech and regular alike, start to look elsewhere - BUT . . .
2008 will be the year that many people start to look for alternatives. Remember, this is Slashdot, tech savvy people who are very familiar with these issues, but who are but a small fraction of overall computer users. 2008 is the year that many regular folks start to question their OS. Remember, most "regular folks" get their Vista with a new computer. MS claims to have "sold" 100M or so copies of Vista. If true, they are sowing seeeds of destruction, because enough regular folk will start to see the limtations of this release and start to complain and look for alternatives. It happened to me - I'm a tech savvy
That alone won't drive Linux onto the desktop in great numbers. Too many regular folk with limited computing needs are / will be happy enough with Vista, or they won't know any different. Left to the desktop market itself, Windows will reign for a long time, no matter how bad it might be - BUT . . .
Linux will succeed on the desktop for the very same reason that Windows originally did: migration from the workplace.
Remember when PCs were nerdy things for the tech elite? Not that long ago. Two things changed that. One was the development of the Web, which brought "point-and-shoot" graphical commerce and communications onto the desktop. That is what suddenly drove everyone and their granny to get wired. By that time, many people were already very familiar and comfortable with PCs and Windows because they used them at work - they already knew how to use a PC, even if they had never bought one themselves. Dominance in business, as opposed to arts & graphics, is what let MS reign over Apple - Windows won the hearts and minds of regular folk because that is what they learned at work.
Linux will succeed on the desktop because the WORKPLACE hates Vista and is looking for Linux solutions. The more that "regular folk" employees use a new Linux system at work, they more that Linux will grow on them. Think of how easy it is for them to learn a new OS under these circumstances. They will use it because their employer decided on Linux. Like or not at first, they can learn it safely, non-threatening, non-anxiety provoking, since they need not worry about losing their own data, and the company IT will support their learning curve.
Once the workplace starts switching to Linux, people will start to learn it, and use it, and like it. When it then comes time to buy a new PC at home, and if they have had a bad MS-Windows experience, they may then have no hesitation to get what they already know and like from work. The more this happens, the more users will start seeking productivity apps, and this will drive third party app development, which in turns strengthens Linux's position, and the whole thing ramps up.
The average person will not get Linux on the desktop because they hate Vista - most have never heard of Linux yet. They will get Linux on the desktop because they had a good experience with it at work, and they now know how to use it.
I think that "2008 is the year of the Linux desktop" only in the sense that this is the year that the soil is tilled, and some of the seeds are planted. The growing season will come over the next 2-3 years. If MS flops with their latest promise of Win7, then Linux can expect a huge bumper crop by 2012-2014.