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Flowers' Smell Not Traveling As Far

Ant writes in to note a study indicating that, because of air pollution, the smell of flowers is not wafting as far as it once did. Pollutants from power plants and automobiles destroy flowers' aromas, the study suggests: "The scent molecules produced by flowers in a less polluted environment, such as in the 1800s, could travel for roughly 1,000 to 1,200 meters; but in today's polluted environment downwind of major cities, they may travel only 200 to 300 meters." The finding could help explain why some pollinators, particularly bees, are declining in certain parts of the world.

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  1. Brilliant by kramulous · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean I don't have to wear deodorant anymore?

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    1. Re:Brilliant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      filthy nerd

    2. Re:Brilliant by TheLink · · Score: 4, Funny

      Uh in this case you're probably the pollutant not the flower :).

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    3. Re:Brilliant by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, are you sure you are wearing deodorant and not crude oil?

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    4. Re:Brilliant by Prysorra · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well..... If you walk into a major grocery store and look for carnation, you'll often find they have a faint scent almost like the roses next to them. Decades and decades ago, carnations - those flowers you bought in highschool when too cheap for roses - were known to have a *powerful* clove-like fragrance. In fact, they were planted around monasteries in France *because* of that fragrance. Turns out, the scented oil that gives off the smell we recognize accelerates the deterioration of cut flowers. Especially those shipped from South America. So.....florists bred the fragrance out. http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fragrant/msg0617175920581.html

  2. try different flowers by alen · · Score: 2, Informative

    try flowers from one of the organic stores or Whole Foods. they smell a lot better and stronger than pretty much all other flowers i've ever bought

    1. Re:try different flowers by T-Bone-T · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is that because you overpaid for them?

  3. From the gut feeling dept. by Nyckname · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I still can't help but think that insecticides are having more to do with it. Bee keepers carry hives around to the farms. It's not like they have to fly too far to find the flowers, but hives are collapsing at farms.

    1. Re:From the gut feeling dept. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a lot of conspiracy theories about these collapses but the IAPV virus was found in over 95% of collapsed hives. I know its much more hip to blame humans, pollutants, wifi radiation, lack of bee tin foil hats, etc but this is just nature vs nature.

    2. Re:From the gut feeling dept. by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes but IAPV is also very common in non-collapsed hives so it is believed that it has to be a combination of factors with IAPV being but one (possibly major) factor.

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  4. hmmm... by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    can't they just genetically engineer flowers with more potent aromas?

    then we will inevitably have a /. story about long delays getting the product developed, and the whole idea of new smelly flowers will get tagged as vaporware, which would be an entirely inappropriate tag.

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    1. Re:hmmm... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 2, Funny

      then we will inevitably have a /. story about long delays getting the product developed, and the whole idea of new smelly flowers will get tagged as vaporware, which would be an entirely inappropriate tag.
      Okay, we'll just tag it dukesmellemforever
  5. No sense of smell by digitalchinky · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have no sense of smell. Prior to about 16 years of age I honestly thought people were making it up. I thought the sense of smell was all some big elaborate joke, a conspiracy against me personally.

    1. Re:No sense of smell by ByteSlicer · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's any consolation: neither do my sister and my father (though my sister can still smell extremely strong aromas). Especially troublesome is the lack to smell natural gas or smoke.

    2. Re:No sense of smell by lattyware · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ironically, Natural Gas has no smell, it's added, but we all got what you meant, I'm sure.

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    3. Re:No sense of smell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm the opposite. I have a very acute (for a human) sense of smell. I can tell by smell alone if someone had been in a room. In college I took a survey and was one of only two people (among 50) who could determine food/fragrance on a test card.

      At work I once knew that a power supply was burning up because I could smell something odd. It wasn't exactly smoke, more like honey and oil. When it burned about ten minutes later and blew real smoke, it was almost overwhelming to me.

      Someone once left a jacket in class once. Without even thinking about it, I picked it up and smelled it and knew exactly who it belonged to. It was as obvious to me as if her name was written on it.

    4. Re:No sense of smell by scorp1us · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have a super sense of smell. I can smell and identify an open can of V-8 in another room. But it's not all rosey at this extreme either (pun shamefully indulged in). As a result, some of our more volatile chemicals (like tar, household cleaners, etc) cause immediate headaches at just a wiff. Today there are tons of smells that just shouldn't be there. I'm not going to equate it to a mine field, but it's not great. But on occasion it is rewarding.

      My father lost his sense of smell after a car accident. I never realized how important it is. One day his van smelled like gas, but he didn't know. He had a leaky gas line. He can't smell my mom's perfume or what's for dinner. What he does taste is a combination of the four basic flavors.

      Smell is probably our most underrated sense.

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    5. Re:No sense of smell by bar-agent · · Score: 2, Funny

      It makes me wonder how dogs deal. I suppose since they sniff ass on a regular basis, it mustn't bother them much.

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    6. Re:No sense of smell by mpeskett · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dogs' noses are so good that they can't afford to find certain smells distasteful in the way we do - if they did it'd soon be absolutely unbearable for them anywhere near something icky.

      Our noses kinda make the decision about whether something is good/bad, for a dog any smell is just information. Like how our eyes just give us info about colours/shapes - we wouldn't recoil from a blue triangle in the way we do from sour milk.

      I suspect the smells dogs like are just the strongest smells or the ones with the most useful information to impart, which would explain the ass-sniffing and rolling in fox crap.

  6. Dumb conclusion... by TropicalCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The finding could help explain why some pollinators, particularly bees, are declining in certain parts of the world.

    I don't need to RTFA to point out how this conclusion does not bare up to even superficial examination. We have two types of bees in this world - domestic and wild. Bees in the wild are likely far from sources of pollution - by definition of "in the wild". Domestic bees are well known to be currently suffering a crises due a disease (or is it bee mites - or both?). What bees remain that are both not "in the wild" and not domestic are the only ones to potentially fit to the above conclusion. I would suggest that this is a very small group. I suppose other pollinators - like butterflies, etc, may find it a bit more difficult to find their flowers these days, but on the other hand, one would logically find these insects near flowers in the first place - their place of birth. Same goes for domestic bees, which are cultivated near flowering crops.

    1. Re:Dumb conclusion... by polar+red · · Score: 2, Informative

      We have two types of bees in this world - domestic and wild. No, we have 1 species of domestic bee, and thousands of species of wild bee.

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    2. Re:Dumb conclusion... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      And both are declining dramatically (there's an area in china that apparently has no bees left at all - the farmers there who grow pears for a living have to hand-pollinate otherwise there would be no more crops).

  7. Horse shit. by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The perceptible scent of flowers drifted well over half a mile back in the day when the thick scent of horse shit and outhouses drowned the streets.

    1. Re:Horse shit. by ByteSlicer · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem seems to be not drowning the scent in other scents, but the destruction of scent molecules by pollutants. Insects have a very low scent threshold and can detect a scent trail of just a few specific molecules, so drowning wouldn't be a problem.

    2. Re:Horse shit. by ByteSlicer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Last I heard, the news reports were stating that bees weren't vanishing after all. Then they were. Then they weren't again. I heard rumors they plan to leave again right after putting a vase in every house, engraved with 'So long and thanks for all the sugar'.
  8. Actually a good thing for my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    My wife has terrible allergies to anything like flowers, pets, perfumes, etc. When we lived in Atlanta, she didn't have nearly as many problems since the smog clobbered all those things.

  9. Re:Keep Trying. by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now now, there's no need to be angry and start name-calling. After all, even uninsightful people are still human after all. Shakespeare said that a rose by any other name would... oh, never mind.

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  10. Coming soon - stronger scents? by gregor-e · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If pollution is degrading aroma molecules before pollinators can pick up on them, this is a selective pressure for plants to produce more scent or at least more durable scents. Given that peppered moths have been able to change from light to dark and back to light coloring in less than a century, I'd expect we'd already be seeing (or smelling) stronger-scented flowers.

    1. Re:Coming soon - stronger scents? by dodobh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They would need to produce molecules which are not destroyed by pollutants. Being able to generate those in a really short time is tough. Even for as big a laboratory as the earth.

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    2. Re:Coming soon - stronger scents? by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wildflowers probably will develop stronger scents. I doubt that cultivated flowers will though, unless there is a radical change of attitude among breeders. I like gardening, and I especially like gardening with fragrant flowers. I can tell you that planting for scent is a lot harder than it was when I gardened with my grandmother as a kid; the vast majority of breeders just don't care about fragrance. Many, many types of tea roses have had no scent at all or just a very faint scent for decades. They breed for bigger blooms and longer blooming times. Scent isn't even on the list of priorities for them. This is partly to accommodate florists, but most breeds of tea roses bred for and sold to the public are like this too nowadays. Unfortunately, this attitude has spread to the breeding of other types of flowering plants that are normally quite fragrant, such as lilacs and wisteria.

      There are exceptions, of course. English roses have the forms and fragrance of old-fashioned roses but are fairly difficult to find; most gardening supply places have only a few of them, if any at all. If you want to garden for scent you will have to do some diligent searching. Also be prepared to change things after a couple of years, because some of your fragrant flowers that die off will be impossible to replace with equally fragrant specimens of the same species.

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  11. Re:If it looks like a duck and smells like a duck. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This "study" is a computer simulation. Computer simulations have a place in science, but before they are the basis for policy, they need to be tested in the real world.
    These scientists have tested a postulate in a computer simulation, that scents are diminished by the scent chemicals reacting with pollutants (especially ozone). Now they have to test that in the real world.

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  12. So without reading the article you're the expert? by jensend · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nonsense. They're suggesting that the relevant effects from pollution aren't just local in the area of the polluters. Furthermore, colony collapse disorder, which is the crisis you refer to, affects both wild and domestic bees and is very poorly understood - it's certainly not been proven to be due to disease or mites, and there's no good reason to immediately jump to the conclusion that the problem mentioned in the study isn't a major or even dominant factor in colony collapse disorder.

  13. Re:So without reading the article you're the exper by TropicalCoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nonsense...there's no good reason to immediately jump to the conclusion that the problem mentioned in the study isn't a major or even dominant factor in colony collapse disorder.

    I don't see how you so easily can say "nonsense". I see it differently - that there is no good reason to immediately jump to the conclusion that the problem of Colony Collapse Disorder is caused by pollution. Colony Collapse Disorder seems to happen in sporadic bursts, whereas I believe pollution can be graphed with long graceful curves.

    Wikipedia says "...late in the year 2006 and in early 2007 the rate of attrition was alleged to have reached new proportions, and the term "Colony Collapse Disorder" was proposed to describe this sudden rash of disappearances." To me, that implies that there is no correlation between Colony Collapse Disorder and pollution, since I don't think there was a sudden spike in pollution that corresponds with declines in bee populations.

    Interestingly, I was just reading Boeing 787 Dreamliner Delayed Again, which links to a Wired Science article, which points to a Dan Rather video, which has a segment at the end that states that the cause of Colony Collapse Disorder has been determined to be caused by some Israeli bee virus. First time I heard that. I am certainly no expert, nor do I pretend to be. I was merely stating that for me, on the surface, the conclusion does not bear up to close scrutiny. In fact, I was implying that one doesn't need to be an expert, or even to RTFA to formulate a plausible critique.

  14. colors by slashkitty · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's real interesting, but bees and many other pollinators find the flowers through the color. Granted, pollution may be diminishing the color, but I'm sure they can still find them. Once found, the bees give directions to the hive.

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