Sun Developing Open Media Stack
Graftweed writes to share that Sun is working on a new open video codec called Open Media Stack (OMS). OMS video will be based on H.26x technology and promises to deliver royalty-free open video. This certainly isn't the first attempt at an open codec, hopefully Sun will decide to add something to the table beyond just their name.
I think it's great that this is being created, but surely I can't be the only person thinking that there is no way this is going to get any sort of traction outside of niche markets with the other codecs being so entrenched already unless there is some insanely good reason to switch (twice the compression with no noticeable quality changes or something similar)?
... like their "open source" operating system which is not actually open source. OpenSolaris is certified Open Source and there are already a half-dozen distributions based on OpenSolaris such as Nexenta and Schillix. If you don't like Sun's management, fork the code and roll your own distro.> hopefully Sun will decide to add something to
> the table beyond just their name.
The *Java* Sun Open Media Stack ?
I thought there were essential patents without Free licenses on the H.26x technologies, such as the H.264 Advanced Video Coding used in MPEG-4 part 10.
Isn't there already a gpl'd alternative to .flv? What advantages are there in sun's offering? And given that the patent fees on .mp4 are so low, is that really needed?
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...uhm. not only is Xvid an "attempt" at an open codec, it's arguably a success. I use it for just about all of my encoding, andyway and it's certainly more of a success than Theora.
- Patent and royalty free (the BBC worked very hard at this)
- GPLv2, LGPL, MIT or MPL licensed reference implementation
- Finished: the bitstream has been frozen, etc. Integration with container formats isn't quite there though.
- Better than h.264
So why is trying making a patent-free h.264 clone worth the time? You are certainly duplicating effort, and we already have solutions.NIH, perhaps? Too many bored engineers?
They'll add DRM!
This is "derived out of Sun's Open Media Commons initiative", which was in turn based on Project DReaM, which was Sun's attempt at an open source DRM stack.
"The worst tyrannies were the ones where a governance required its own logic on every embedded node." - Vernor Vinge
Right now, the working drafts for the HTML 5 specification specify a <video> element, but doesn't specify a codec to go with it. Unfortunately, there's no single video codec which is acceptable to all web browser vendors. Mozilla (and Opera, I think) will not go for something patent-encumbered, while Apple and Microsoft find Theora unacceptable, because of the risk of submarine patents.
Having a modern non-proprietary codec specified which all browser vendors could interoperably implement would give a tremendous boost to video on the internet. Things have stalled on convincing the various parties to accept something which currently exists. So it's looking to me as if Sun is deciding to help move things forward by providing a new alternative.
Does this sound an aweful lot like Theora to anyone else?
There is a blog entry for OMS Video.
I thought Theora was pretty bad as far as quality - like MPEG1 bad.
Personally, I'm still waiting for Sun to release their Open Media Games...
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Different context for the word stack: in this case it's a stack of components, like video and audio codecs sitting on top of some stream format sitting on a container file format. You know - like when they talk about a protocol stack (HTTP on top of TCP on top of IP on top of Ethernet, etc.).
How again does Sun make money these days?
They say the mind is the first thing to
like, R(s) -> E(s)G(s) -> Y(s) kind of "system".
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Oh, to have mod points for you.
Some people just don't understand that "Open Source" doesn't mean "license-compatible with my license of choice."
When this is finally done, I just hope it won't need the Java plugin on the browser to view the video.
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Wonder if Sun is firstly, actually implementing something or just traveling to meetings & specing it, and secondly, trying to write Java support for all its efforts or just acting like a standard, dysfunctional corporation. Having said that, does anyone still care about codecs?
Yeah, this surprised me to, so I searched for JAVA and look what I found!
Anyway.
JAVA short for JAva Video & Audio.
If the web is heading in the direction of being an online virtual library and multimedia service, then yes, you want HDR. You want online photographs and mediascapes to be every bit as good as they are in other formats. Web 3.x (or whatever the latest version is under cvs) has chosen to compete with physical publishing, television and cinema. Those are tough fields to compete with, if you're operating at a significantly lower grade.
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I was curious too, so I looked on Google Finance. Most of their visible activity does seem to be dedicated to blogging and thwarting Microsoft, pretty much like IBM -- big iron and enterprisey stuff. But actually, the financial headlines do a much better job than sun.com at explaining how they make money. Here's a press release from today:
Sun Expands Sun Streaming System to Deliver Industry's Most Scalable and Flexible Video Delivery Over IP Platform
This was released today. The releases on this and OMS don't mention each other by name, but I think it's pretty clear what they're planning to do with the finished media stack.
Nice article on what H.26x is at ddj: http://www.ddj.com/201203492
I had no idea how tangled the standards were... ugh.
You can check out the progress of Shrodinger (A Dirac implementation) over here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135176
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