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New Ion Engine Enters Space Race

Bibek Paudel brings us a BBC report on the development and testing of an new ion engine by a security firm named Qinetiq. The engine will be used in an ESA spacecraft tasked with mapping the Earth's gravitational field from orbit. Only a handful of ion drives have been used for space missions before, some of which we have discussed. Quoting: "Cryogenic pumps can be heard in the background, whistling away like tiny steam engines. Using helium gas as a coolant, they can bring down the temperature in the vacuum chamber to an incredibly chilly 20 Kelvin (-253C). The pressure, meanwhile, can drop to a millionth of an atmosphere. Ion engines ... make use of the fact that a current flowing across a magnetic field creates an electric field directed sideways to the current. This is used to accelerate a beam of ions (charged atoms) of xenon away from the spacecraft, thereby providing thrust."

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  1. Interesting... by TFer_Atvar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll have to keep an ion this.

  2. bad idea by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Xenon isn't exactly in great supply. I think they might want to rethink that and design it with a more common material. But sweet that they're finally testing an actual ion drive.

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    1. Re:bad idea by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Informative

      Xenon isn't exactly in great supply
      Xenon is present in our atmosphere at roughly 1 part in 180 million and so its cost is about 1 dollar per gram. considering it costs about 25 dollars a gram to launch things into orbit, Xenon isn't that bad when you consider that just a fraction of the fuel is required for the same thrust as chemical fuels. It is used because it is more easily ionized than the higher "inert" gases, is relatively un-reactive and is more easily utilized in the engine, as it is already a gas.
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    2. Re:bad idea by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Xenon is apparently plentiful enough to be in most of many so-called "neon" signs: The gas that's in "neon" signage isn't always neon -- different gases are used, including argon, krypton and xenon. Neon gives a reddish-orange glow. If it's more blueish, it's probably krypton or xenon.

    3. Re:bad idea by actionbastard · · Score: 4, Informative

      Xenon is used because it is the heaviest of noble gases.

      You'd best bone up on your Newtonian physics.

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    4. Re:bad idea by doctor_nation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is expensive, but it has great performance compared to almost all other materials (the one better is mercury...). Sure, you can use other materials, but the efficiency drops like a rock. I think the use of Krypton or Argon is being looked at for some thrusters (maybe not ion thrusters). Oh, and ion thrusters have been around since the 60's, and Hall thrusters before that (made by the Russians). They've flown on a lot of missions already- this one isn't at all remarkable to be honest. Deep Space 1 was a lot more impressive.

    5. Re:bad idea by v1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      sort of what I was wondering. I suppose there's no escaping physics though, you have to use something for fuel. (ok "fuel" is a bad word for it, how about "mass"?) I was hoping ion drives could run without losing mass, but that's the only fundamental way to accelerate something in a vacuum isn't it? by throwing mass overboard, preferably at high speed? (the high speed part being what the ion drive specializes in)

      I suppose the only way around this would be a solar sail, or perhaps such a thing powered by some sort of a beam (of mass, energy, or a combination of the two) from the origin.

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    6. Re:bad idea by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What about Radon. According to my periodic table Radon would be the heaviest noble gas. Not countijng Ununoctium of course, but that's a synthetic element.

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    7. Re:bad idea by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

      The 3.8 day half-life might cause some difficulty. Not to mention that the short half-life implies a high radiation output. Generally, it's a good thing not to have your propellant tanks glow on their own.

      Besides, $6000 per milliliter is expensive, even by aerospace standards.

    8. Re:bad idea by davolfman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Radon has this annoying tendency to emit alpha radiation. Alpha radiation does nasty things to any materials it contacts by embedding helium nuclei in their structure. That and it has a half life of less than 4 days so it's not really suitable for any sort of long term use, and if you're using an ion drive you've already chose to do things the long, efficient way.

    9. Re:bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      for bluish signs it is actually argon with a touch of mercury. argon on its own is a dim purple color which is too dim to see with other lighting, but is really neat in a very dim room. the added drop of mercury causes the chemical to fluoresce bright blue. All other colors are by putting a phosphor coating on the inside of the tubes, which emits different colors when excited by the argon-mercury mixture. Neon is only used for the classic tomato orange color, or the deep red or purple which is done with different colored glass tubing. Krypton and xenon can also be excited to emit light, but they require more energy than is commercially viable, and are rather dim.

    10. Re:bad idea by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not saying it would be better suited to the purpose. All I was refuting was the fact that Xenon is the heaviest noble gas. I don't think Radon would be the best thing to use, but that doesn't disprove that fact that there are heavier noble gases than Xenon.

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    11. Re:bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Radon has this annoying tendency to emit alpha radiation. Alpha radiation does nasty things to any materials it contacts by embedding helium nuclei in their structure.
      OTOH, you don't heave to spend any energy to ionize Radon, as it readily ionizes itself. Just keep high positive potential on the walls of the chamber (tank) to fend of alpha particles.
  3. Still just a curiosity... by OldFish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as the ion drive has to carry all the mass it'll ever use it will never be useful for seriously long trips. It would need to vacuum up stray particles as a mass source for that. But it's mildly interesting anyway.

    1. Re:Still just a curiosity... by bagboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      couldn't they just tie a Roomba to the back of the space craft?

    2. Re:Still just a curiosity... by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would be better on the front, but, still, it wouldn't really get into all four corners of space.

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    3. Re:Still just a curiosity... by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It depends on how long you mean. Its certainly still a long way from being able to run an interstellar mission, but for an interplanetary mission it provides a lot of benefits. Lower mass and faster travel times are the primary ones; even though its low thrust its constant thrust so it can build up, particularly on longer missions (think to Jupiter rather than the moon).

      Also, the one problem I see with the idea of 'vacuuming' space, beyond the obvious engineering problems, is that in order to use them in a system you'd lose more momentum than you'd gain, at least using engine technology of this sort. Imagine it from the spacecrafts point of reference, all the very rarefied gas is coming towards it at the speed the spacecraft is traveling in the inertial frame. As it captures the gas, it has to slow it down to stationary, and then speed it up and send it back out; in doing so unless the exhaust velocity is faster than the spacecraft velocity, you're going to lose momentum rather than gain it.

      Now if you could come up with a way to ionize the gas as it passes and use magnetic fields to accelerate it further (like a swimmer or an air-breathing engine) that would certainly be interesting.

    4. Re:Still just a curiosity... by evanbd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The drag problem isn't that clear cut. The reference frame isn't "spacecraft velocity" in any sense you'd normally think of it -- it's the solar wind, at ~500,000 km/s. In interstellar space it slows enough that fusion engines could easily have a higher exhaust speed, up to several % c spacecraft velocity. The problem becomes one of collecting enough hydrogen, and getting it to fuse. In-system, though, you can use the solar wind drag to your advantage, at least if you want to head outbound. Wikipedia has a good discussion of the issues involved.

    5. Re:Still just a curiosity... by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      indicates that there isn't enough hydrogen in the local neighborhood

      I've heard this before, this and there are many other reasons that don't make a pure Bussard ramjet possible. A few years ago I came across these guys. While I don't know how realistic their ship but one thing that did catch my eye was this.

      I was especially fascinated by how they address the fuel problem. They created something called an acceleration track. The idea is that fuel is launched before the ship is in packages. The ship would over take each fuel and supply package as it left the system. I always thought that was a elegant solution to the fuel and supply problem.

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  4. Ooo by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Informative

    TIE Fighter's, anyone? (Twin Ion Engine, for those of you who are not true geeks)

  5. Re:why xenon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wouldn't a heavier material like lead be more efficient at mass transfere and therefor thrust? Mass has nothing to do with it. The only thing that matters is charge. If you put H+ or Xe+ in a constant electric field they will will both have the same kinetic energy once they exit (hence, something that has a 1 e charge put across a 1 V potential will have 1 eV of kinetic energy on exit). Xenon is useful because you can strip a lot of electrons off of an atom to make a highly charged ion. It is also easy to store and ionize.
  6. You mean it's NOT because .... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Funny

    TIE Fighter's, anyone? (Twin Ion Engine, for those of you who are not true geeks)

    You mean it's NOT because they're shaped like bow ties?

    Darn!

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    1. Re:You mean it's NOT because .... by coren2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find your lack of fashion-sense disturbing.

    2. Re:You mean it's NOT because .... by RoboRay · · Score: 2, Funny

      Vader, accessorise him!

  7. Re:Cool but... by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Any kind of rocket propulsion will inherently have these limits. Whether its a chemical rocket at 3000m/s with lots of thrust, an ion thruster (which aren't that uncommon, not sure why the article says it is) with 30000m/s and fractions of newtons, or something advanced like VASMIR with high exit velocities and relatively high thrust (and large power requirements), you run into the basic problem that you have to carry all your fuel with you, and the thrust you get out of it is limited by the velocity of the fuel, for which the power requirements increase my v^2 (E=1/2 m v^2).

    The only ways I can see to get away from this rather immutable law of nature is to use something like solar sails, which are cool but have a lot of engineering work still needing to be done, or designing a whole new kind of physics that lets us warp space to our needs. I'm pretty sure thats how even the impulse engines work on Star Trek, since if it wasn't, the Enterprise would probably have to be mostly fuel tanks. Of course if you're working on those physics, good luck, I hope you figure out.

  8. No no no. Faraday effect! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ion engines ... make use of the fact that a current flowing across a magnetic field creates an electric field directed sideways to the current.

    No it doesn't. It creates a MECHANICAL FORCE directed sideways to the current. It's the Faraday effect, which is what drives electric motors.

    It's also how you can use the Hall effect to determine whether the majority current carrier is positive or negative: The carriers are accelerated toward the same side of the conductor, so the sign of the hall voltage tells you whether you have more + or - charge carriers.

    (IIRC It's how they showed that Franklin guessed wrong when he assigned + and - to charges, leading to the sign of "classical current" and the points of arrows on semiconductor diagrams being opposite to the direction of electron flow.)

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  9. Re:T.I.E. by calebt3 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From Wikipedia:

    Sound designer Ben Burtt created the distinctive TIE fighter sound effect by combining an elephant call with a car driving on wet pavement.
  10. Obligatory Niven-Known Space reference by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Informative
    You're both right.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Known_Space

    There are a lot of unanswered questions about this technology, but I'd quote AC Clarke at you if someone says it's impossible.

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  11. Re:why xenon? by mk_is_here · · Score: 3, Informative

    From wikipedia:
    Xenon is the preferred fuel for ion propulsion of spacecraft because of its low ionization potential per atomic weight, and its ability to be stored as a liquid at near room temperature (under high pressure) yet be easily converted back into a gas to fuel the engine. The inert nature of xenon makes it environmentally friendly and less corrosive to an ion engine than other fuels such as mercury or caesium. Xenon was first used for satellite ion engines during the 1970s. It was later employed as a propellant for Europe's SMART-1 spacecraft[16] and for the three ion propulsion engines on NASA's Dawn Spacecraft.

  12. Re:why xenon? by doctor_nation · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, mass is important. The fact that xenon is so massive is exactly why it's used- that and the fact that it has a very low ionization potential. The only better material is mercury, but they stopped using that several years ago for obvious reasons.

  13. Re:why xenon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, the only thing that matters is momentum. If you shine a 3 MW laser out the back of the spacecraft for 1 s it is only going change the momentum of the spacecraft by 3 MJ/c = 0.01 kg*m/s. If you toss a 145 g baseball out the back of your spacecraft at 30 m/s (KE of baseball = 130.5 J) you will gain 4.35 kg*m/s of momentum, 435 times what the laser would do.

    In the case above p = sqrt(2m * E). While E is a function of charge alone, the momentum is a function of both mass and kinetic energy. But it is a sqrt so you need to take into account your ion charge and its mass. A +16 charge is only twice as good as a +4 charge and 16 u is only twice as good as 4 u. Once you take this into account you will find that the difference between Xenon's 131.3 u mass and lead's 207.2 u mass is not as significant as other factors (like ease of use or ease of ionization).

  14. Re:T.I.E. by doctor_nation · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since these thrusters only operate in a vacuum, I'm afraid they don't make any sound at all...

  15. Makes me pine for the old days... by actionbastard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    of the NRX program. NRX (NERVA [NERVA - Nuclear Engine for Rocket Vehicle Application] Reactor-Experimental Research) was the engine that would power the spacecraft that was supposed to take us to Mars and beyond. Unfortunately it was cancelled because of 'environmental concerns' http://www.fas.org/nuke/space/kiwi.gif.

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  16. Not news, and not impressive by doctor_nation · · Score: 5, Informative

    The T5 is hardly a new thruster- it's probably been around for 10 years or more. And it's not that impressive in terms of performance for an ion thruster. More impressive ion thrusters exist, like the NSTAR thruster they used on Deep Space 1. That provided main propulsion and lasted way longer than expected, so DS1 got a lot done. Or look at the nuclear-reactor powered ion thrusters that were under development until Bush decided we were going to Mars (NEXUS and HiPEP).

    Ion thrusters (and electric propulsion) have been around since the 60s. Back then, they used mercury for propellant and they had grid voltages of 13kV. Tons of ion thrusters have flown already and are already doing stationkeeping on satellites right now.

    1. Re:Not news, and not impressive by olman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or look at the nuclear-reactor powered ion thrusters that were under development until Bush decided we were going to Mars (NEXUS and HiPEP). Maybe you explain to us forehead slope challenged viewers why nuclear ion engine wouldn't be perfect for something that is going to Mars?
  17. Re:why xenon? by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Informative

    Smaller molecular weight typically preferred for space thrusters, due to the higher exhaust velocities for similar amounts of energy or momentum imparted. p=mv and E=mv^2 and all.

    Which in turn means higher specific impulse.

    Which in turn means greater delta-v budget for the same mass.

    The price for pushing fewer molecules at higher speeds? Lower thrust at the same power level. But if you've got "unlimited" energy (solar) or "nearly unlimited" (RTG), you can take afford to take the time.

    In fact, there are transfers calculated that take less time, despite taking longer to get up to speed, due to the greater delta-v.

    Since double-ionzation is much more difficult than single ionization, different atoms have different work functions, and there is a limit to the electric field you can practically achieve, charge:mass ratio is a design constraint.

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  18. Re:why xenon? by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Whoops, I failed to divide by 2 That's OK - everybody knows that rocket scientists don't need to be proficient at math. :)
  19. Re:why xenon? by evanbd · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's more complicated than that. To good approximation, ion engines add energy, not momentum or velocity, to the particles they accelerate. So heavier ions leave slower, resulting in lower Isp. Thus, Xenon has relatively low Isp. However, it has the huge advantage of being easy to ionize, a gas, and nontoxic (mercury manages the first two but not the third (at ion engine pressures it's a gas), and adds the downside of tending to dissolve the engine too much).

    However, for most ion engine applications, Isp isn't the primary concern -- thrust is. Ion engines easily manage more Isp than they need, but the solar cells to power them are heavy. It would be simpler and produce a shorter flight time to lower the Isp, not to mention reducing the delta-v required (orbital transfers using very long burns, as with ion engines, pay a penalty in delta-v for doing some of their burn higher in the gravity well than they have to; this can be as much as 50% iirc).

    In short, Xenon is chosen because it's easy to work with and not too expensive; the heavy mass is a plus in many applications, but the reasons are more complicated than most people realize.

  20. Re:why xenon? by Nullav · · Score: 5, Funny

    So...you're proposing that we propel spacecraft with baseballs?

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  21. Re:No no no. Faraday effect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    First of all, it does create an electric field, just as the summary said. I have no idea what you meant by a "MECHANICAL FORCE", since the only thing that can create a force on ions is either an electric or magnetic field-- so one of those two has to be there! Also, it is not called the "Faraday effect", that is an effect of magnetic fields on light polarization-- nothing to do with this. It's the Hall effect, which you later mention anyway.

    The reason it creates an electric field is the same as the reason there is an electric field in the Hall effect. The negative ions (electrons) are much more mobile than the positive ions (charged xenon atoms), since they are much less massive-- same as in a solid, except here the positive ions are slightly mobile (not in a crystal lattice.) So, the electrons whiz away from the positive ions, causing a net electric field to form.

    But, you were spot on about the hall effect, and you did recall correctly about Franklin.

  22. Yer both wrong/right by starglider29a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only thing that matters is VELOCITY, not momentum. Mass flow RATE. At least if the test is "efficiency". That is what we (rocket scientists) call "Specific Impulse" (Isp). When you do the Delta-V equation, it's only

    DeltaV = Isp*ln (m1 - m2) if memory serves. If not, someone will fix it for me. Nothing about momentum. The difference in mass is the only factor for a given propellant/engine combo

    Whatever you can get out of the poopchute the fastest is the most efficient. Without speaking of the ionization process, hydrogen is prolly the best, being the lightest, BUT it's density is so low that the mass to contain it lowers the return. Recall that Clarke's Discovery had ammonia instead of hydrogen as Sakharov propellant, because it was denser (smaller, lighter tanks). And thus, it didn't leak out after 9 years (2010 - 2001)

    Xenon is probably an optimum of mass and density. Plus whatever they said about ionization.

    1. Re:Yer both wrong/right by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's ln(m1/m2); units analysis is sufficient to show your version is wrong (you can't take the log of a quantity with units in it).

      The problem is that in chemical rocketry, Isp and density Isp matter, but in ion engines energy efficiency matters too. Raising the Isp raises the mass efficiency, but at high Isp the energy efficiency drops. Since the solar cells and power electronics are heavy, energy efficiency matters. For most current applications, ion engines have more Isp than they need, even with xenon. Besides, excessively long burn times add a delta-v penalty for doing too much of the burn high in the gravity well.

  23. Re:why xenon? by Manhigh · · Score: 3, Informative

    When it comes to ion propellant, the important figure of merit is the ratio of ionization energy to atomic weight. For each unit of energy spent creating an ion, you want a relatively heavy ion to propel for some "oomph." Historically, mercury and argon have also been used, though they are less efficient (and in mercury simply undesirable).

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  24. Re:why xenon? by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So...you're proposing that we propel spacecraft with baseballs? No, we're propelling our baseballs with spacecraft, depending on your frame of reference.
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  25. Re:why xenon? by RobertM1968 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmmm... I think I really need to re-watch my episodes of Star Trek TOS... I know they covered the whole Ion Engine thing in one of them... THEN I can come back and comment intelligently on this topic.

  26. Re:why xenon? by Tom9729 · · Score: 2, Funny

    And you're just feeding trolls. :)

  27. Higher Efficiency? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are these ion engines more efficient in turning the power stored in their fuel into kinetic energy of the vehicle than the efficiency of, say, liquid fuel rockets we use to launch satellites and the Space Shuttle?

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    1. Re:Higher Efficiency? by aXis100 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not so much efficiency, the main benefit is reduced weight.

      Simply put, they dont have "fuel" in the conventional sense. They use electricity (which can be sources externally or generated oboard from a nuclear source) to exject a reaction mass at high speed. Over time this reaction mass will be consumed, but get far more benefit from it that they would with normal combustible fuel.

  28. Re:why xenon? by nomadianomad · · Score: 5, Funny

    They would be called Spaceballs.

  29. Re:say what now? by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I thought I learned in HS that no noble gasses could be ionized because all their electron shells were already perfectly full.



    They may be harder to ionize than other substances, but it's not impossible to do so. Heck, if they could not be ionized, it would mean that they hang on to their electrons with infinite force ...

  30. Re:say what now? by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... which would also mean that you could extract infinite amounts of energy from an alpha particle (which is an ionized helium nucleus ... and energy required to remove an electron from a noble gas is infinite (i.e. a hard "cannot be ionized ever"), then adding an electron to the alpha would release infinite amounts of energy.

  31. Qinetiq by julesh · · Score: 4, Informative

    security firm named Qinetiq Security firm? Are people starting to forget that Qinetiq is a privatised government agency (formally known as DERA, the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency)?
  32. Re:why xenon? by yahooadam · · Score: 2, Informative

    by a security firm named Qinetiq security firm? since when? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QinetiQ
  33. GOCE satellite by catfry · · Score: 5, Informative

    The focus of this story is completely wrong. Ion propulsion is kinda old hat, there has been more than just 'a handful' of satellites flying with some form of it, unless your hand is really big. Granted, most of them have been as a secondary propulsion mode and for stationkeeping, but now it is also increasingly being taken up as primary probpulsion for deep space missions.
    What is really interesting is the satellite GOCE.
    Tasked with mapping out the gravitational pull of earth with very high fidelity, it needs to fly as close to the earth as possible without being dragged out of orbit by the athmosphere, and to remain stable in this very low orbit.
    For this reason this is the only satellite I know of where a major design driver was that it be aerodynamic! The ion propulsion is primarily to counteract the constant drag so the satellite maintains it's orbit, and to this end it is projected to be thrusting almost continuously.

  34. Re:why xenon? by PJ1216 · · Score: 2, Funny

    more complicated than most people realize. since when is rocket science complicated?
  35. Mach 1 in space... by clbyjack81 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...this would mean that a 5000 KG spaceship would be travelling at 320 m/s, which is 1152 KM/h, which is just under Mach 1.

    A minor point, to be sure, but mach numbers relate speed with the speed of sound in the same medium. Since sound does not travel in a vacuum, using mach as a unit of speed in space is meaningless.

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