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RIAA Sues Homeless Man

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In a Manhattan case, Warner v. Berry, the RIAA sued a man who lives in a homeless shelter, leaving a copy of the summons and complaint not at the homeless shelter, but at an apartment the man had occupied in better times, and had long since vacated. The RIAA's lawyers were threatened with sanctions by the Magistrate Judge in the case, for making misleading representations to the Court which the Magistrate felt were intentional. The District Judge, however, disagreed with imposing sanctions, giving the RIAA's lawyers 'as officers of the Court the benefit of the doubt,' and instead concluded — in his 6-page opinion (PDF) — that the RIAA's lawyers were just being 'sloppy' and had not made the misstatements for an improper purpose.'"

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  1. Wrong, wrong, wrong! by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'as officers of the Court the benefit of the doubt,'
    Wrong!
    As officers of the Court they should be held to a higher standard. Sloppy isn't an excuse.

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    1. Re:Wrong, wrong, wrong! by TheMeuge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please mod parent up.

      "Sloppy" should not be in a lawyer's vocabulary. In court, "sloppy" can land somebody in jail, backrupt them, cause divorce, take away their children, and destroy their life altogether in a myriad of ways.

      "Sloppy" is what a McDonalds' burger maker does. When lawyers serve a subpoena that's about as accurate as addressing McCain as "Mrs Clinton", there should certainly be repercussions.

      Otherwise, what prevents them from being "sloppy" and just file papers against every single college student in the United States?

    2. Re:Wrong, wrong, wrong! by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly what he said AND think about it, if you or I go into a court representing ourselves and are sloppy.... well, the court normally does not look favorably upon people who waste the court's time with 'sloppy' actions.

      Having said that, court systems 'seem' to be the daytime hangout of a rather large boy's club in many places around the country. The lawyer defending you probably plays golf with either the judge or your opponents lawyer, or both!

      IANAL, but I've had happy hour beers with a few. Sloppy is what you do when you think the court will be benevolent toward your actions. If the court has a reputation for seriousness and crossing-tees-dotting-eyes behavior, sloppy is NOT what you do.

      Personally, you and I know that the judge in this case has heard about the stories of the **AA's actions around the country. It would be professionally negligent to not have been following those stories. So, to give them any slack when they are sloppy and wasting court time and resources is tantamount to saying "plaintiff wins, next case!"

      I seriously don't think this homeless guy has a snowball's chance in hell.

    3. Re:Wrong, wrong, wrong! by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, and what everyone witnessed there was the "Good ol' Boy" network in operation.

      Justice in the american legal system has always been only for those with he largest bank accounts.

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    4. Re:Wrong, wrong, wrong! by KGIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I tend to think of it as the Just Us Department really.

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    5. Re:Wrong, wrong, wrong! by Uebergeek · · Score: 5, Informative
      Three things counterbalance against a lawyer being 'sloppy':

      (1) Malpractice: if a lawyer is 'sloppy' in his representation of a client, the client can sue the lawyer ofr malpractice, as well as make a complaint to the applicable state bar association. This can result in the lawyer paying large amounts of money to the client, reprimands being placed in the lawyer's file from the state bar, and even the lawyer having his license to practice law revoked.

      (2) FRCP Rule 11 Sanctions Unbeknownst to many oustide the legal profession, the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (and most state rules) allow for the court to impose sanctions/award costs for frivolous filings. Extreme sloppiness sometimes falls into this category.

      (3) Court's discretion In its own discretion, the Court can sanction an attorney for sloppiness or other misconduct that wastes the court's time. This can result in a case being dismissed with prejudice (meaning the attorney cannot refile the case, and will likely get pegged by the client for malpractice).

    6. Re:Wrong, wrong, wrong! by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "What prevents all you fucking thieves from having any moral values?"

      Offhand, I would say pricks like you trying to impose your own "moral values" on the rest of us...

      And for the 8 millionth time here, it isn't "thievery" - it is copyright violation. Get it right!

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    7. Re:Wrong, wrong, wrong! by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree with you, UnknowingFool..... A pattern of misconduct in other cases is quite relevant. Also there is no way this was mere sloppiness. They clearly made a misrepresentation to the Court. The Magistrate Judge had it right. I personally think Judge Baer knew the Magistrate Judge had it right, but felt a little squeamish about imposing sanctions, so he gave them "the benefit of the doubt" as "officers of the Court". I don't think he'll be giving them the "benefit of the doubt" next time.... and knowing these lawyers, there will be a next time.

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  2. Re:And again... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

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  3. In related news... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    The District Judge, however, disagreed with imposing sanctions, giving the RIAA's lawyers 'as officers of the Court the benefit of the doubt,' and instead concluded â" in his 6-page opinion (PDF) â" that the RIAA's lawyers were just being 'sloppy' and had not made the misstatements for an improper purpose.'"
    In related news, District Court Judge Harold Baer, Jr., the same judge in the Warner V. Berry case has recently acquired a huge estate in the Hamptons valued at between $20 and $25 million dollars. When a reporter asked Judge Baer how he could afford such a state on a his public servants' salary, Baer simply said that "he had recently come into some money."

  4. Fine... by imstanny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So make some sanctions against 'sloppy' work. I dissent with the judge's ruling. This is clearly grossly negligent conduct by the lawyers. Any minimal due diligince in this case would have eliminated the error immediately.

  5. Default dismissal by precedence? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope some judges (especially those that sign those search warrants) light up in the light of this. Could you imagine something like this in the future?

    (cue judge, asked for a warrant)

    A search? Why? The RIAA thinks someone's downloading their stuff? The organisation that randomly sues people, from grannies to bums? Get outta my courtroom before I have you thrown out the window!

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    1. Re:Default dismissal by precedence? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah? Quite the opposite, the big studios are who is funding terrorism and anti-US movements. Where do they manufacture, hmmm? Could it be that they let some country make their CDs that supports terrorism, hmmmmmm?

      Buying CDs is sponsoring terrorism!

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  6. What's next guys, raping a nun? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Every day these guys sink to new lows. It's a shame that Lou Dobbs or some other "crusader" type TV pundit hasn't jumped on this saga yet. The RIAA would give a lot of ammo to any pundit looking to rant about something outrageous every day.

    The sad thing is, there are real legal issues here. The RIAA is using the American court system as an vehicle of intimidation, and to give a mask of legality very illegal activities (like investigating people with unlicensed private investigators, shotgun lawsuits that target innocent people, organized extortion, etc.). Meanwhile, the courts seem all too willing to just sit back and let them do it, with no acknowledgement that this is part of an organized campaign. I guess the Supreme Court has more important things to deal with.

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    1. Re:What's next guys, raping a nun? by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, a HOMELESS guy? If that's not proof of them ramrodding random people for cash I have no idea what is.
      How much cash do homeless people have? Maybe I should be panhandling from them.
      While it is deplorable that the RIAA seems to be so fixated on suing those with the least means to defend themselves, being poor doesn't make one above the law. Both sides of this issue pretty much top my list of people that the world can do without.

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  7. Are you kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    [sarcasm:enabled]

    The damn homeless, always thinking about themselves! This guy clearly can afford to buy this music, as opposed to pirating it. We need to criminalize his actions, so we can keep his kind off of the street!

    [sarcasm:disabled]

    I mean seriously, this has to be an article from The Onion. I can't believe that TFA is news about what is happening in the real world. I just can't. Someone tell me that it's just a bad joke, two weeks late of "April fools".

    1. Re:Are you kidding by palewook · · Score: 5, Funny

      RiAA is demanding his cardboard box in a settlement.

  8. I don't know... by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know what outrages me more, the RIAA suing a homeless man or the judge for not imposing sanctions.

    I can only hope that the judge is elected rather than appointed and that the voters fire him next election. To not lay down sanctions against this agregious behavior is itself sloppy. A lawyer has no more right to be sloppy than a surgeon does.

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  9. WTF!?!?!? by Black-Six · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How in the world can you sue someone who is homeless and has no internet access, take them to court, get shot down, and then have a district judge say "We think you, the RIAA, had the right intentions but the wrong paper work."? They let murders off for clerical errors, but get caught downloading tunes and its a trip to the financial electric chair.

    If this isn't proof positive that our court system is completely wanked, I don't know what is. And people wonder why our society is going to hell in a hand basket.... Kill someone and get off scott free vs. download tunes and go bankrupt paying the fines.

    1. Re:WTF!?!?!? by ari_j · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm fairly certain that you have over-simplified and caricatured the situation a bit. The court system isn't, as a whole, broken. It's part of our checks and balances. What is broken is that federal judges are too hesitant to impose sanctions on those who deserve them.

    2. Re:WTF!?!?!? by njfuzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People seem to be overlooking the possibility that they are suing him for something he did when his means were more significant. He lived in an apartment at some point, where he presumably could have had internet access.

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    3. Re:WTF!?!?!? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Let me be clear from the start that I have a ton of sympathy for the homeless, and absolutely none for the RIAA and its lawyers.

      How in the world can you sue someone who is homeless and has no internet access, take them to court, get shot down, and then have a district judge say "We think you, the RIAA, had the right intentions but the wrong paper work."? As I read the article, the judge said RIAA was sloppy about how they delivered the summons and not about the merits (if any) of the case. And as heartless as it may sound, there is nothing improper (in a legal sense) about suing a homeless man. He may not have been homeless and/or may have had internet access when he allegedly committed the "crime" the RIAA claims.

      To take an extreme example, imagine that one of the Enron executives drove themselves to destitution and was living in a homeless shelter. Just because they're down and out does not excuse them from being prosecuted for any crimes they committed.
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  10. New case in the works... by wobedraggled · · Score: 5, Funny

    RIAA sues a rock, infringing on the musical style.

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    1. Re:New case in the works... by sorak · · Score: 4, Funny

      RIAA sues a rock, infringing on the musical style.

      Do you mean for stealing the name, or for being boring and unworthy of attention?

  11. Explanations? by Lord+Satri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had a few mod points to spend and clicked before it was modded troll. To my total surprise, that link launched X11 (along with numerous popups). How can this be possible? See how naive I can be: since I surfed with Safari 3.1.1 on a up-to-date mac (don't hate me too much, I use Debian at work ;-), I though nothing really bad could happen. I don't think anything bad actually happened, but how come can X11 be launched by a website?! Thanks for any explanation :-D

    1. Re:Explanations? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 5, Informative
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  12. Re:And again... by Pennidren · · Score: 5, Funny

    See why we don't RTFA?

  13. Because his boss says not too by hellfire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a shame that Lou Dobbs or some other "crusader" type TV pundit hasn't jumped on this saga yet.

    You realize there are only 4 major media companies in the world right now. Lou's bosses reports to a producer who works for a company that is owned by one of these media conglomerates, who also owns several major recording labels. The moment Lou reports that the RIAA is doing something evil, Lou and his producer immediately get fired for casting the company in a bad light and Lou gets blacklisted.

    Now... I am surprised that the BBC and NPR haven't picked up on this yet. Maybe they have, but can't devote a 2 minute segment to it each and every day so I may have missed one of their special reports, but considering there are, seriously, more important stories to run such as olympic protests, government upheavals, elections here and abroad, etc, I'm not entirely surprised. It sucks, but put into perspective of US National and world news, is it as important?

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  14. The RIAA gets dumber by the day... by BUL2294 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously, when it became obvious that this guy was homeless (what, he totes around a laptop, getting mobile Internet access using Sprint or AT&T???), the RIAA should have dropped the case as this is an amazing case of "getting blood from a turnip." The RIAA seems dumber by the day. Let's see...
    1) RIAA physically finds homeless man to sue. Serves with papers.
    2) RIAA extorts (er, "offers settlement") to homeless man.
    3) Homeless man appears in court for trial, maybe even with pro-bono attorney. (Free heat, maybe even free food. Could judge offer temporary housing--like sequestering a jury???)
    4) Homeless man loses case big time, owing hundreds of thousands of $$$.
    5) Homeless man declares bankrupcy.
    6) Homeless man sues RIAA for mental stress.

    Seriously, under what circumstance could the RIAA win? Bragging rights?

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  15. Re:Trawling by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's just like when fishing fleets trawl the bottom of the ocean trying to catch scallops or mussels ... they end up dragging all kinds of other species into the boat. RIAA is looking for file-sharers, and if they dredge up the occasional homeless man, or dead person, or bubble-boy ... no biggie ... just move on. Interesting you should say that, because the RIAA has itself used the term "fishing with a net". Actual quote from RIAA spokesman:

    "When you go fishing with a net, you sometimes are going to catch a few dolphin." Dennis Roddy, "The Song Remains the Same", Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Sept. 14, 2003, quoted in amicus curiae brief (pdf) of American Civil Liberties Union, Public Citizen, American Association of Law Libraries, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and ACLU Foundation of Oklahoma, submitted in Capitol v. Foster, 2007 WL 1028532 (W.D. Oklahoma 2007), brief at page 8.
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  16. You know the lawyers at RIAA are insane... by Garabito · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know the lawyers at RIAA are insane when actual headlines like these read like if they were from The Onion

  17. I'm amazed by Moryath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm amazed nobody has asked the real question yet.

    Namely: how much money did the MafiAA pay the district judge for this ruling?

    1. Re:I'm amazed by remmelt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, I thought the real question was: did the allegedly homeless man share any files illegally? Allegedly?

    2. Re:I'm amazed by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Funny

      The REAL question is where did the RIAA's lawyers get the heart from? They are showing it off in court now! They are going to sue this homeless guy, guy won't show for court, will be found in contempt, thrown in jail where he will now have free food and a safe place to sleep!!

      What are these RIAA lawyers thinking? WTF!

    3. Re:I'm amazed by __aaleib9616 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, he made it available by singing loudly while looking for change/food, thereby causing it to be classified as a public performance for profit...

  18. Re:The sanction actually is in the ruling... by Bullfish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Essentially, yes it does... For example, a lawyer can make a claim in a court and the judge can ask that the jury disregard it for a technicality... But, how do you forget? It still plays a role at decision time even if it "officially" isn't part of the record or decision.

    Further, if thee lawyers bring another flimsy case forward, a review of precedent can show the same lawyer bringing frivolous cases forward in the past and eventually that will lead to harsher punishments by the courts.

    And if nothing else, if the lawyer goes for a job with a new firm, then a review of that lawyer's previous cases will show that a judge had it entered into the court record that he/she was incompetent.

  19. Or really sloppy by CustomDesigned · · Score: 4, Funny

    You'd have to be either retarded or just really, really stupid to actually believe that what I said was anything other than a joke.

    Or a really, really sloppy lawyer.