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Dilbert Goes Flash, Readers Revolt

spagiola writes "The Dilbert.com website just got an extreme makeover. Gone is the old, rather clunky but perfectly functional, website, replaced by a Flash-heavy website that only Mordac the Preventer of Information Services could love. Users have been pretty unanimous in condemning the changes. Among the politer comments: 'Congrats. Vista is no more lonely at the top in the Competition For The Worst Upgrade In Computing Industry, this web site upgrade being a serious contender.' You have to register to leave comments, but many seem to have registered for the express purpose of panning the new design."

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  1. Heh by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You have to register to leave comments, but many seem to have registered for the express purpose of panning the new design." I know some PHBs that would consider the boom in registrations as a positive thing.
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    1. Re:Heh by me+at+werk · · Score: 5, Funny

      "some" meaning "all"

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    2. Re:Heh by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Funny
      Pure genius!

      Only Scott Adams could come up with such a great parody. That's one way to get your cartoon talked about - screw it up in a way that only a PHB would love. Get on the front page of Slashdot. Energize your audience!

  2. Actually, much of it is accessable. by Pinckney · · Score: 5, Informative

    Clearly, there is some flash on the site, but I can still view all the comics without it.

    1. Re:Actually, much of it is accessable. by Stevecrox · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where I work flash is blocked from installing, my morning routine used to be to open Dilbert and have a read while some of the other apps I use slowly load. With no flash on your browser all you get is two coloured bars and two requests to install flash. I'm betting alot of corporate places follow similar practices.
      I thought the old site was dated but after just glancing at the new one, I definitly want the old back.
      No I'm not time wasting, it takes Outlook and Eclipse about a minute+ to load, more than enough time to pop open an IE tab and glance at Dilbert.

    2. Re:Actually, much of it is accessable. by _KiTA_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where I work flash is blocked from installing, my morning routine used to be to open Dilbert and have a read while some of the other apps I use slowly load. With no flash on your browser all you get is two coloured bars and two requests to install flash. I'm betting alot of corporate places follow similar practices.
      I thought the old site was dated but after just glancing at the new one, I definitly want the old back.

      No I'm not time wasting, it takes Outlook and Eclipse about a minute+ to load, more than enough time to pop open an IE tab and glance at Dilbert. http://news.yahoo.com/comics/dilbert

      Here ya go. It's SYNDICATED, people. That means, dilbert.com isn't the only place to get it. Woo~.
    3. Re:Actually, much of it is accessable. by ntufar · · Score: 5, Informative

      I get it using RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/dilbertdailystrip/ Works like magic.

  3. Can't leave well enough alone by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This seems to be universal among web designers. They just aren't happy unless they're redesigning something to make it more complicated and less likely to work.

    My award for "sticking with what works" goes to craigslist.org.

    1. Re:Can't leave well enough alone by MindStalker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a web programmer I'd say its that managers can't stop demanding new features. I spent half my time trying to talk people out of features my job would be so much easier if I just relented....

    2. Re:Can't leave well enough alone by linzeal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look at this site, the reply to this buttons replaced a perfectly useful reply text link. Now the pages are 10% longer than they used to be and take forever to scroll on small screens. Since the change I have been coming to Slashdot maybe 10% of the time I used to. Does anyone know how to get the old slashdot back?

    3. Re:Can't leave well enough alone by GotenXiao · · Score: 5, Informative

      Disable Javascript. All the old behaviour comes back. Alternatively, go into Help & Preferences, Posting and select Slashdot Classic Discussion System.

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  4. No Linux? by mce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's what I sent them earlier on when discovering that part of the site even does not support Linux:

    I really can't believe you show such a big lack of understanding of your target audience. Dilbert & Co. are engineers. Engineers read Dilbert because of how much it reflects the silly issues they face every day when dealing with clueless managers, marketeers, etc. It helps them to have a smile on their face in the face of office misery.

    And then what do we get? A Dilbert site update that does not support Linux. In 2008. Guess what? Engineers use Linux. I've fought my PHBs for the right to do so back in 1999 and I won. About the whole department has been Linux-on-the-desktop ever since...

    My MBA (yes, I have one of those as well and yet I still use Linux) tells me that you're making a classical mistake of many companies that once were successful. Note the tense of that!

    April 17, 2008: A day that will live in infamy.

    And that's just one of my gripes. The new UI is clunky; the site is slow; ...

    1. Re:No Linux? by lorenlal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And try going to the next strip....
      No previous or next button on any of the pages...

      BRILLIANT!

    2. Re:No Linux? by justthinkit · · Score: 5, Funny

      BrianRegan.com got flashed a year or so back and I sent a complaint email (parts of it didn't work in Opera). Next thing I know, Brian used my first name for one of the dumber characters in a comic routine. So I'd suggest complaining anonymously...

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  5. Well, a good, unintended slashdotting ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ought to make them think a little more carefully about extensive use of resource-heavy options such as Flash. :-)

  6. Damn I'm good by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I must be a flippin mind reader or able to see into the future. I just wrote about this kind of nonsense.


    It's a freaking static cartoon! What possible asinine reason could there be to screw up such a simple concept? I saw this the other day and so, like Doonesbury, won't be visiting it any more due to their use of Flash.

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  7. Probably a Consultant by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It was probably some outside consultant that convinced them of the perceived need to produce a "competitive" web-site in today's market, and only this garbage will do.

    Don't these PHB clowns realize that it's content that draws people to a site, and excessive bandwidth, insecure plug-ins required, inane registration requirements, and slow downloads that drive them away again.

    Scott Adam's personal e-mail address is well-known (remember to put 'Dilbert' in the subject line to slip past his spam filter). One can still complain to him directly.

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  8. non flash dilbert by Cromac · · Score: 5, Informative

    Good thing you can still get your dilbert fix at http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/

  9. At Least it's not Silverlight by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    At Least it's not Silverlight...

  10. repeat old stuff for a new generation by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Since then, Adams has just been going over and over the same handful of gags

    That's OK, it's just a genreational change.

    Each generation is arrogant enough to ignore the collected wisdom of what's gone before, so it makes the same old mistakes. Hence Dilbert is just as popular with the new "breed" of readers as it was with the last lot. The reason is they get just as frustrated with the same bosses making the same mistakes as their forebears. No doubt in 100 years time, people will still be grousing about the incompetence of their superiors and Scott Adams, or his grandchildren, will still be making money out of it.

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  11. Come over to the dark side by fermion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Most person becomes that which they most rail against. More often than not, these people realize that those they railed against, for instance the PHB, were just doing things that they could not at that point understand. It has been interesting to see Scott Adams descend into the PHB. The PHB that is continuously coming up with new ways to make a profit, and has little concern with quality or application. Be it outsourcing to unqualified labour or redesigning a web site, the PHB is interested in earning, not customers or quality. This is why engineers have such trouble dealing with them. Engineers are taught that their job is to make the world better, and it is unethical to cut corners primarily to increase profits.

    SO, this website redesign proves that Dilbert has become the PHB. A design not help the customers or users, but to help the bottom line. How does it hep. Well, for one, it put Dilbert on the front page of /. after I don't know how long. It is an marketing gimmick, nothing more. Dilbert is irrelevant, and when one is irrelevent, there is little else to do but employ gimmicks. OTOH, I am sure it will work. Admas will sell some of his collected blog entries, people will reminisce about the good old days, and many will complain simply because they cannot understand that a business must generate a good profit.

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  12. Official RSS Feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Quite amazingly, it seems no one has pointed out that there is now an official RSS feed (in colour) for Dilbert at http://feeds.feedburner.com/DilbertDailyStrip

  13. Re:What a bunch of grumpy old cave trolls by Javarrito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its not that we hate new technology. Its more that we hate when simple technology that is accepted as a standard is replaced by complex buggy technology that isn't as widely available yet performs the exact same function. With the exception of the animated strips, there is absolutely no need for Flash to be used on this site--all Flash does in this case is make the page load slower and increase the chances that the page will not render correctly (ie, if the client doesn't have Flash).

    Now, that being said, the Dilbert Archive is, of yet, unchanged.

  14. In a lot of places, it didn't change by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, in a lot of places the office life is much the same. And, trust me, not only in the USA.

    As a consultant, I can tell you that some of the projects I'm dragged into, the things I see, and the things I piece together, often make Dilbert look tame. At any rate, I see everything from Dilbert:

    - Wally clones? Check. Armies of them.

    One managed to work for 3 years to make a trivial module, that later someone else rewrote in 6 hours from scratch. The rewrite was also 40 times faster, when benchmarked on a large-ish data set. And that's just one of them. He also heavily obfuscated his code, with over half the techniques from "How To Write Unmaintainable Code." (If you can believe that variable names like Pete, Eve and Steve are anything else, I have a bridge in Sahara to sell. And that's just one of the dozens of sins of that code.)

    I've also seen people whose day consists at least half, of doing the grand tour of all floors where they know someone, to find people to talk to. Probably the saddest case was one whose morning, from 9 to 12 consisted of making a list of what pizza each team member wants to order for noon. Now you're probably going, "wtf, that doesn't take 3 hours even for 100 people." Well, let me explain: not just going around and quickly noting what they want. He went and started a whole debate on the pros and contras of ordering a Calzone, or maybe a Quatro Stagioni this time. And, hey, did you see that today they have a special price for Pizza Margarita? With each and every person individually.

    - Evil secretaries? Check. E.g., in one project they lost their best programmer, a contractor, when the secretary at the company that supplied him, cancelled his medical insurance just before his wife went into labour. Apparently, for no reason whatsoever, she just called the insurance company and said that he's getting a private insurance somewhere else. The guy understandably went "fuck you very much" and quit.

    From what I hear, it was also quite the uphill battle to get her to do anything, including actually get the overtime paid that the client had already paid for.

    Last I've heard, she got a promotion.

    - Mordac The Preventer Of IT Services? Check. At times it feels like one in 3 guys in IT make it their goal in life to prevent everyone else from getting their job done.

    A particular one, well, wasn't even consistent about what he wanted, except that it's the opposite of what you want. To one team and project it was "you're not getting queues unless they're all on the same queue manager", to another one in the same time interval it was "you're not getting queues unless they're on different queue managers". To one it was "you're not getting anything if you work with message timeouts, because it defeats the whole idea behind reliable messaging!", while to another one it was "you're not getting queues from me unless you set timeouts on the messages! I don't want you to fill the whole partition with old messages!" Etc.

    One DBA argued that it's not his job to tune the production database.

    And it doesn't seem to be entirely unheard of, that some company's internal IT department sets such outrageous prices for any service, that it would be cheaper to burn a large file on a CD and send it by _taxi_ to the other end of the country, than to use their network and their servers. In one place management was actually proud that their IT department is the most productive department in the company and makes the biggest profits. As if that's something positive, and not an undue burden on the other departments.

    - Incompetent managers and incompetent management decisions? Oooer. I could fill a tome with those alone. But let's just say: some managers were keeping the above parasites employed. It's not even the biggest management sin I've seen, but it's enough to make me wonder, you know?

    Etc, etc, etc.

    Basically I'm talking a guess that all that changed there is that you got a new job sometime in the 90's, where that doesn't happen any more.

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  15. One of those things is not like the others by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Global warming has a sound scientific basis.