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Laptops Can Be Searched At the Border

Nothing to Declare notes that a California appeals court has unanimously upheld a ruling that border security officers at international airports can search personal computers without requiring any specific evidence of criminal activity. The appeal was made by US resident Michael Timothy Arnold, charged with child pornography offenses after an airport search of his notebook PC in 2005. Might want to think hard about what's on your laptop if you're going to be passing through a US international airport.

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  1. I Wonder by OS24Ever · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It makes you wonder that if there hadn't been something like Child Porn on there if this would have been overruled.

    If it'd been a violation of rights search where they searched and you sued just for that with no criminal conviction.

    The sad part, is this sets a president if it is allowed to stand, and whittles away at everything else.

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    1. Re:I Wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't carry drugs or bombs on a hard disk.

    2. Re:I Wonder by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 5, Informative

      The sad part, is this sets a president if it is allowed to stand, and whittles away at everything else.

      First, you mean precedent. The President is the guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. "Precedent" is what judges use to decide cases.

      That said, the border search exception has always allowed the government to search your bags when you cross the border, to look for drugs, guns, agricultural products, etc. Think about passing through Customs at any international crossing -- they get to randomly pull you out of line and dump out the contents of your bag for any reason whatsoever (or no reason whatsoever) and make sure you're not smuggling anything into the country. That understanding of the Fourth Amendment has been on the books for centuries. It might be "right" or "wrong," but there's no doubt that it's been the law for ages.

    3. Re:I Wonder by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Funny
      Time for all of us to let our laptops boot up into obscure korean, sami or other languages when they are going to inspect them. Maybe a power supply requiring a 400VAC feed too - and no battery :-)

      Odd operating systems like AROS or text only interfaces may also do well. You just can't fail the nerdity test then!

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    4. Re:I Wonder by Teckla · · Score: 5, Funny

      The sad part, is this sets a president if it is allowed to stand, and whittles away at everything else.

      The Supreme Court doesn't set presidents, they set precedents.

      Oh, wait...

    5. Re:I Wonder by whyde · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This previous topic seemed to cover it pretty well. Not only do they assert the right to search, they assert the right to make a copy of your computer's contents as you pass through customs.

      I wonder if the right to search your physical belongings is limited in any way, or whether they assert the right to make a photocopy of any printed document that you may have with you. Imaging taking your personal journal or diary along on a trip and having someone insist that they must photocopy it to pass through customs. How are your "papers and effects" a perceived threat to anyone while traveling, and how can one be secure in them anymore?

    6. Re:I Wonder by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if you can set a president to self destruct?

      Judging from his poll numbers, it is safe to say that GWB has. The truthiness of this is beyond doubtability.

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    7. Re:I Wonder by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

      So just delete /boot/grub/menu.lst after memorizing the magic commands to boot your system, and leave the customs agents staring at the GRUB> prompt.

      As it happens, many customs agents know their own magic commands to boot the system.

      "Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to boot this computer."

      Saying "No" isn't the most helpful answer to that request.

    8. Re:I Wonder by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Since when is "loose morals" an illegal act? In the US there is the Vice Squad, in Toronto Canada there is (or was?) the Morality Squad, in Saudi Arabia there is the Religious Police.

      "Loose morals" are illegal so long as they are written into law (or at least enforced by Authority).
    9. Re:I Wonder by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can't carry drugs or bombs in paper files either. Except maybe LSD. Thanks for the tip ;)

      It seems your 'R' key is a little wonky, though you managed to type 'for' correctly.

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    10. Re:I Wonder by sexybomber · · Score: 5, Funny

      Time for all of us to let our laptops boot up into obscure korean, sami or other languages when they are going to inspect them. Maybe a power supply requiring a 400VAC feed too - and no battery :-)

      Odd operating systems like AROS or text only interfaces may also do well. You just can't fail the nerdity test then!


      Uhhhh, I know you're kidding, but may I remind you that some (most?) TSA thugs are so dense that they couldn't figure out what a MacBook Air was? I'll bet you a beer that the situation turns out something like this:

      $RANDOM_GEEK: Here you go, officer.
      (Laptop boots with Korean-language GRUB bootloader)
      TSA Guy: Whut the f**k is this? That some sorta Muslamian language? ARE YOU A TERRORIST, BOY?
      $RANDOM_GEEK: No, it's just...
      *brrrrrzap*
      $RANDOM_GEEK: Don't tase me, bro!
      TSA Guy: BACKUP! I NEED BACKUP!
    11. Re:I Wonder by Hemogoblin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Speaking as someone who has worked for Customs (but not in the United States), I can tell you that those are absolutely awful excuses. I guarantee you that any Customs officer will easily notice that you are lying and immediately become suspicious. This is the very LAST thing you want to happen if you were hoping to get through Customs quickly.

      Remember, Customs officers are mostly trying to find things that are out of the ordinary. Carrying a broken laptop on a business trip, or carrying a random "friend's" laptop never, EVER happens. The absolute best advice I can give regarding Customs is (1) Don't be stupid, and (2) Don't lie, ever. If you are ever caught in a lie, regardless how small and insignificant, you are fucked. Just don't do it, because it will make my life and your life easier.

    12. Re:I Wonder by vortechs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting - nobody ever drops a laptop while on a business trip and brings it back with them to get it repaired in the States? That's certainly what I would have done...

    13. Re:I Wonder by rmccann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can make a horror film without killing someone. In order to make a child porno film, you have to sexually abuse a child.

    14. Re:I Wonder by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can make a horror film without killing someone. In order to make a child porno film, you have to sexually abuse a child. Wrong! And I smell hypocrisy here; you are implying that the movie with violence can be simulated and the one with sex cannot. Also, I can only presume you are equating sex with "abuse" (I use quotes here because it is a vague word that is used only for political reasons. The very use of the word itself is a Troll).

      So right now in Ontario, Canada the award winning film the Tin Drum was recently classified as "child pornography" (a film I happened to have watched (legally) on Canadian television when I was a child). This is an example of morality being adopted into law. If I was to impose my own morals on people then parents who expose their children to religion would be put in jail for their perversions. It's lucky for those parents that I neither have the power or hypocrisy to do this.
    15. Re:I Wonder by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By making child porn illegal, you reduce the demand for it and thus reduce the supply as well.

      That concept worked really well during Prohibition, didn't it?

    16. Re:I Wonder by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As others have already pointed out, that is not true.

      Furthermore, all "child pornography" (whatever the definition) is "illegal". In some places that definition includes fantasies such as hand drawn cartoons and stories.

      Also, while on the subject of "child pornography", what is it exactly? When does a subject cease to be a "child" and become an "adult"? Most countries use a self-contradictory, hypocritical and obviously (to any thinking person) bogus scheme: one day you are a feeble-minded minor who is to be protected from evils of tobacco, alcohol and sex and just about a millisecond later (at the stroke of a clock on your birthday) you are a full-fledged, strong-willed, responsible "adult" who can participate in a televised orgy while boozed out of his/her mind. Logical, no?

      Not to mention that in many countries you are old enough to serve in the army, go slaughter other people, witness unspeakable horrors of war and be subjected to them ... and yet you are not old enough to bang someone 5 years older then you. Say nothing of alcohol.

      "Hypocrisy" is a word too weak for this nonsense, which most people accept without blinking or giving a second thought about it.

      "Think of the children!" was always a rallying cry of every description of scoundrel and authoritarian since times immemorial.

      In my view the problem of child abuse is far more complicated then this simplistic bureaucratic idiocy is trying to make it out to be and it revolves around a definition of consent and an ability to consent. But that is a whole other discussion. Pictures and other forms of information have very little to do with any of this, other then to serve as a focus of wrath of various power-hungry political charlatans and authoritarians (many of whom are secretly collecting the very pictures).

  2. 4th Amendment... by Delwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " I can see them checking your person before getting on a plane to make sure you're not carrying weapons... but what on your laptop could possibly endanger an airplane?

    1. Re:4th Amendment... by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't have a 4th Amendment right to cross the US border.

      As a condition of allowing you to cross the border, you are subject to search. It is as simple as that.

      All governments have always rightfully had the power to control traffic across their borders.

    2. Re:4th Amendment... by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think about going through international customs at any major airport. You go through US customs after you've already landed. The point is to control smuggling of goods into the US, not to protect airplanes.
      I agree, but that reasoning only works for physical goods. If I'm trying to smuggle cocaine into the U.S., then yeah searching me at the border could stop me. But we're talking about data - ones and zeros. If I'm trying to smuggle it into the U.S., I don't need to carry it on my laptop, I could just email it to someone already in the U.S. Or leave it on a server outside the U.S., enter the U.S., open an SSH tunnel to the server, and ftp the files over.
    3. Re:4th Amendment... by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not seeing what your point is. You can cross the border and be searched. Or you can not cross the border and not submit to a search.

      Are you saying you were flying along and accidentally encountered the US border?

  3. Re:Cmon people by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why are computers treated any differently than anything else?

    That's the entire point of the ruling. The government has always been able to search your bags when you cross the border, to look for drugs and guns coming into the country. That's been on the books for 200 years. The question was whether computers would be treated differently and get more protection than everything else.

    What threat does data on a computer pose to an airplane?

    It's not about getting on airplanes. This does not apply to domestic flights. It's about stuff crossing the border by any means. Presumably, this would apply just as much if you crossed the border by train or in a car.

    The case has nothing to do with airplanes. It has to do with the "border search exception" to the warrant requirement.

  4. Re:Time to Roll Out The Crypto by gethoht · · Score: 5, Informative

    I highly recommend using truecrypt and incorporating a hidden volume. That way if you need to divulge a password, you can just give them one that allows access to a volume that doesn't have the sensitive data they are looking for.

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  5. Re:Logically Different by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 5, Informative

    You've got two different searches confused.

    The search of people flying on any flight is an "administrative search" to look for weapons. It is strictly limited to searching for weapons--if the cops see drugs they can bust you, but they can't look for drugs or evidence of any other crime.

    This is not the same search. This is the Customs search at the border and it has nothing to do with flying. Think about going through US Customs after you land in the US. The key is that it's after you've already landed. The government has always been able to look for drugs at US Customs, which has nothing to do with airline safety. (While a couple of kilos of blow might make your flight more entertaining, it's hardly the sort of thing that makes airplanes crash).

    There's a very important difference between pre-flight safety searches (applies to any flight, domestic or international) and customs searches (applies to any means of entering the country).

  6. Re:Time to think by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funny though, our stature in the world seems to be declining along with our freedom. Eventually we'll have none of either left, and the world will continue without us.

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  7. Re:Time to Roll Out The Crypto by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I imagine there's some thinly-parsed definition about whether or not you're officially on US soil when you're entering Customs and, therefore, whether the Fifth Amendment could be said to apply.

    Heck, Gonzales once issued a statement once saying that people who haven't cleared customs technically are neither in nor out of the US, and therefore have no actual rights (can't dredge up a reference now). He's certainly said that habeus corpus isn't actually a right.

    Basically, for a while at least, the legal opinion was that you could be arbitrarily and indefinitely detained without recourse. You're so far removed from the 5th Amendment at that point, it's not funny!!

    Unless things change, you have shockingly few rights at the border -- at least until a court clarifies things.

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  8. Re:Time to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Your making mine eyes to bleeding.

    It came about because people are too lazy to take responsibility for themselves. They want the government to do it all. So it obliges (?) and once that happens, they start complaining that their rights are being taken away.

    When you cry, "think of the children," another right is taken away.
  9. Link to opinion by gothzilla · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/6D5D931898D8168188257432005AC9B8/$file/0650581.pdf?openelement

    1. He was randomly chosen for secondary questioning. Perfectly legal and constitutional.

    2. He left the images on the desktop in a folder. They were not hidden.

    3. This cannot be a violation of the 4th amendment because it was a border search. Border searches have been challenged and found to be constitutional numerous times in the past.

    4. United States v. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. 149, 153 (2004). Generally, "searches made at the border . . . are
    reasonable simply by virtue of the fact that they occur at the border . . . ."

    Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. at 152. Therefore, "[t]he luggage carried by a traveler entering the country may
    4179 UNITED STATES v. ARNOLDbe searched at random by a customs officer . . . no matter how
    great the traveler's desire to conceal the contents may be."

    He made no attempt to conceal the images as they were left on the desktop, but even if he had attempted to conceal them it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

    5. Courts have long held that searches of closed containers and their contents can be conducted at the border without particularized suspicion under the Fourth Amendment. This includes items such as a purse, wallet, or pockets. A laptop is no different.

    6. Flores-Montano, 541 U.S. at 152 (emphasis added), the Supreme Court has held open the possibility, "that some
    searches of property are so destructive as to require" particularized suspicion. Id. at 155-56 (emphasis added) (holding that complete disassembly and reassembly of a car gas tank did not require particularized suspicion).
    Since the search of his laptop did not require it to be damaged in any way, and the defendant also stated that his laptop was not damaged, it was again a legal search.

    The only way he was going to get away with this is if he had shoved a memory stick up his butt and made sure he didn't do anything that caused suspicion.