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Blogger Successfully Quashes Subpoena

Ares writes "In a follow-up to Blogger Subpoenaed for Criticizing Trial Lawyers, Katherine Seidel's blog indicates that not only has she successfully quashed her subpoena, but the lawyer issuing said subpoena is now under orders to appear and explain why the courts shouldn't sanction him for it. This should be interesting, because in addition to Ms. Seidel's subpoena in New Hampshire, the lawyer issued a similar subpoena to a doctor and a Harvard professor under similar circumstances."

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  1. More important things by Ossifer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good to hear she can return to addressing more important things in life... like autism...

    1. Re:More important things by The+Ancients · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good to hear she can return to addressing more important things in life... like autism...

      Are you saying lawyers aren't important?

      Way to get sued!

    2. Re:More important things by wtansill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you saying lawyers aren't important? Way to get sued!
      Why certainly they are are important! I can't imagine what else I'd feed my pet alligators if the supply of lawyers ran out!
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    3. Re:More important things by The+Ancients · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you saying lawyers aren't important? Way to get sued!
      Why certainly they are are important! I can't imagine what else I'd feed my pet alligators if the supply of lawyers ran out! RIAA/MPAA staff?
    4. Re:More important things by clarkcox3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wouldn't a female overlord be an overlady?

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    5. Re:More important things by trolltalk.com · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why certainly they are are important! I can't imagine what else I'd feed my pet alligators if the supply of lawyers ran out!

      I'm calling PETA and the *SPCA on you! If you hate your 'gators so much, why not just put them to sleep instead of torturing them?

    6. Re:More important things by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't imagine what else I'd feed my pet alligators if the supply of lawyers ran out!
      I hope you never get arrested for a crime you didn't commit or your kid isn't poisoned by some product made by a careless corporation.

      I hope you never get prosecuted or sued by the RIAA because your neighbor's son hacked your wireless router and used it to play with torrentz.

      I hope your civil rights are never violated or that you never need the protection of bankruptcy court.

      I hope you never have a problem with your income taxes, or a dispute with your business partner or get rear-ended by a drunk driver.

      I hope you never have to set up a trust fund to care for a relative who is too ill to care for herself or have a dispute with your bank or have your identity stolen.

      I hope you never get married unwisely and have to divorce from a spouse who wants to hurt you as much as possible.

      I hope you never get overlooked for promotion because you are too old, or too black or too female.

      It can be argued that lawyers do as much to protect our freedoms as the men and women in our military. Maybe more.

      People who think our lives and our country would be better without lawyers are as stupid as stupid gets.
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    7. Re:More important things by compro01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, good lawyers are very useful people to have (good accountants also fall in the undervalued category), but there are way too many bad (where bad="complete lack of ethics") ones around, hence the big-brushing of the profession.

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    8. Re:More important things by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Thank you for standing up for all the good lawyers in this country. It really troubles me that the bad ones give the other 2% a bad name.

      I can't imagine what else I'd feed my pet alligators if the supply of lawyers ran out!
      I hope you never get arrested for a crime you didn't commit or your kid isn't poisoned by some product made by a careless corporation.

      Corporations are careless because their lawyers make them so expensive to sue, and ensure that the corporate officers are never held personally liable for unconscionable acts.

      I hope you never get prosecuted or sued by the RIAA because your neighbor's son hacked your wireless router and used it to play with torrentz.

      The RIAA is pretty much just a bunch of lawyers (oh - and lobbyists). Oops - most lobbyists *are* lawyers.

      I hope your civil rights are never violated or that you never need the protection of bankruptcy court.
      Why would I need protection of a bankruptcy court? Oh, yea, because there is someone threatening to sic their LAWYERS on me.

      I hope you never have a problem with your income taxes, or a dispute with your business partner or get rear-ended by a drunk driver.

      Yes, because income taxes are so complicated. Lawyers certainly had *nothing* to do with that. I just hope any business partner I have can negotiate rationally and doesn't decide to ... umm... sic a lawyer on me. I'd have to find a lawyer had give *him* my half of the business instead. You're right about the drunk driver, though. I'd want an ambulance chaser helping me with that because insurance companies are almost as bad as lawyers.

      I hope you never have to set up a trust fund to care for a relative who is too ill to care for herself or have a dispute with your bank or have your identity stolen.
      Actually, I had a relative that did set up a trust fund with a lawyer that was handling most of her finances. She died penniless, of course. The last I heard they thought the lawyer had left Bermuda and they were speculating he was in France.

      I hope you never get married unwisely and have to divorce from a spouse who wants to hurt you as much as possible.
      Because then I would have to deal with her lawyer?

      I hope you never get overlooked for promotion because you are too old, or too black or too female.
      Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. It said "My lawyer says I don't have a case".

      It can be argued that lawyers do as much to protect our freedoms as the men and women in our military. Maybe more.
      It can also be said that lawyers are the ones working to take away our freedoms. At least the guys in the military are allowed to shoot the enemy (without subsequently dealing with more lawyers).

      People who think our lives and our country would be better without lawyers are as stupid as stupid gets. I'm sure you could make a persuasive argument to that effect that a judge (still a lawyer) would agree with.

      There are good lawyers out there that really do honest work and do not view themselves as God's gift to the peasants. But finding one makes you feel like Lot wandering the streets of Gomorrah. And our country might not be better off without them - but it might be better off without 95% of them.

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    9. Re:More important things by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, good lawyers are very useful people to have (good accountants also fall in the undervalued category), but there are way too many bad (where bad="complete lack of ethics") ones around, hence the big-brushing of the profession.

      As a nitpick, the problem with "bad lawyers" is usually their morals, not their ethics.

      Indeed, such people (along with, say, the average large corporation's upper management) are usually an excellent example for demonstrating the difference between "ethical" and "moral".

    10. Re:More important things by DigitalWallaby · · Score: 2

      There really ought to be a 'didn't get the joke' mod.

    11. Re:More important things by Spykk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope you never get arrested for a crime you didn't commit or your kid isn't poisoned by some product made by a careless corporation. Yeah, because your appointed lawyer is sure to beat said careless corporation's lawyer.

      I hope you never get prosecuted or sued by the RIAA because your neighbor's son hacked your wireless router and used it to play with torrentz. You may not be aware of this, but the RIAA has been using its highly paid lawyers to win the majority of those laughable cases.

      It can be argued that lawyers do as much to protect our freedoms as the men and women in our military. Maybe more. For every lawyer who defended someone's rights, there was another lawyer trying to usurp them for profit. Sadly, the amount of money you spend on your lawyer can be a much larger factor in the outcome of your case than being in the right is.
  2. Justice sure feels good by spun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm just wondering why, genetically speaking, it should feel so good to hear about justice being served? Justice, fairness, reciprocity, selflessness: these things naturally feel good to most people, while their opposites usually feel bad, even when they have absolutely nothing to do with us.

    If we were truly selfish creatures, wouldn't the opposite be true? We would have evidence that we could get away with our selfishness, and that would feel good. It seems our genetics code for cooperative behaviors over selfish ones. Is this simply the selfish best choice for individuals, to cooperate with each other, or can genes code for behaviors that are detrimental to the individual but good for the gene pool overall?

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    1. Re:Justice sure feels good by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Injustices benefit a few, justice benefits us all. By the numbers, you're more likely to benefit from justice than injustice.

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    2. Re:Justice sure feels good by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hehe, that is SO true. Who DIDN'T root for the coyote to catch the roadrunner? Life isn't fair, yet most of us are born with an innate desire for it to be so. This desire for fairness has been shown to be more powerful than the profit motive. Yet our economic system is based on the premise that individual profit is most rewarding to individuals. It is set up to reward selfishness, and in essence makes life less fair. When it seems there is no possibility that life can be fair, most people resort to selfish behavior. So our economic system becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

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    3. Re:Justice sure feels good by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chimps do teach each other things, and will not generally steal from friends. Younger males will often cooperate to distract a dominant male while a few slip in for a little hanky panky with his harem. They are quite secretive, though.

      But pygmy chimps (also known as bonobos) are very, very different animals behaviorally. Researchers speculate that the abundance of resources in the South American habitat of the bonobos, as compared to the African chimps, leads to more cooperative behavior. Bonobos are highly cooperative and non-heirarchal. Pygmy chimps are also the sluts of the animal world, and use sex to diffuse any societal tension. Which leads me to hypothesize (especially to any available females) that more sex would lead to a more peaceful, cooperative world.

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    4. Re:Justice sure feels good by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

      Chimps will take whatever they think they can get away with, and never actively teach and often try to hide things from each other.

      Like the RIAA, you mean?

    5. Re:Justice sure feels good by dubl-u · · Score: 3, Informative

      can genes code for behaviors that are detrimental to the individual but good for the gene pool overall? Genes generally code for behavior that is good for genes. A gene for you to treat family well doesn't give a shit about you personally; your family members are likely to have the same gene, so it's just being good to other copies of itself.

      Those seriously wondering about this topic should read The Selfish Gene (Richard Dawkins's first book, wherein he coined the term "meme"). Then follow that up with Good Natured: The Origins of Right and Wrong in Humans and Other Animals. They're two very readable books by two real scientists, and they have rocked the worlds of everybody I have lent them to.
    6. Re:Justice sure feels good by bill_kress · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but your benefit from injustice is likely to be much greater.

      A company distributing a significant amount of its profits to all its employees might double all their salaries and be fair, but the top few management people could no longer draw $10m salaries for screwing the company up....

    7. Re:Justice sure feels good by corgan517 · · Score: 2, Funny

      how dare you denigrate the monkeys like that!

  3. s/Katherine/Kathleen/ by McDutchie · · Score: 4, Informative

    The blogger's name is Kathleen Seidel, not Katherine. The previous Slashdot story got this wrong as well.

    1. Re:s/Katherine/Kathleen/ by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cathleen... Catherine... meh. As long as you get the first letter right

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    2. Re:s/Katherine/Kathleen/ by DarKlajid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let me guess: You don't have a girlfriend, right?

      Ah, forgot that this is Slashdot for a moment. Nevermind, move along.

    3. Re:s/Katherine/Kathleen/ by Bobby+Mahoney · · Score: 4, Funny

      And she calls herself Lill, but everyone knows her as Nancy.

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  4. Hooray for a bit of legal sanity by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, how about that... If only this sort of story were not the exception rather than the rule.

    I have a friend who recently started a small business (he makes board games). On release of his first game, he was immediately sent a letter from a competitor's lawyer demanding either cease-and-desist, or a licensing agreement for the use of the term "Superheroes*". Are you kidding me?! My understanding is that this company routinely threatens any small business (they're fairly small too) that creates a game with "Superheroes" in the name, and threatens legal action or a licensing payment.

    Most of these companies run on a shoestring budget and caved, but my friend hired a lawyer to write an aggressive response, threatening countersuits, etc. My understanding is that he never heard from them again. In an ideal world, this sort of through-the-legal-system extortion and bullying would be severely reprimanded, but in the real world, a small business is generally considered lucky if they only have to shell out a few hundred (or thousand) in lawyer fees.

    * It wasn't really that, but a similarly generic term. I don't want to stir anything up for my friend. Lawyers may be listening!

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  5. What I want to know... by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is how much in the way of legal bills did Seidel run up getting the supoena quashed. If it was a lot, we should be outraged. And if we're outraged, we should express our outrage in a constructive manner: go to her web site, click on "donate" and drop a few bucks in her kitty.

    And don't say "She can get damages from that shyster for his misuse of the legal system". That's a lot harder to do than people seem to realize.

    1. Re:What I want to know... by bleckywelcky · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll drop a few bucks in her kitty, if ya know what I mean. ;) meow.

    2. Re:What I want to know... by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I read both. "Sanction" means disciplinary action. Sanctions might include ordering him to pay Seidel's costs, but it's not a given.

    3. Re:What I want to know... by joseph449008 · · Score: 3, Informative

      She filed pro se. I understand Kathleen got some help from knowledgeable friends, but that's about it. The online free speech project at Public Citizen had offered to provide their legal help, but it would seem that Kathleen did such an excellent job with her pro se filing that Public Citizen didn't have to file anything.

  6. Society Strikes Back by monxrtr · · Score: 2

    Eliot Spitzer was just the beginning. With all the massive economic damage lawyers have caused businesses and consumers, it will be interesting to see if similar numbers of lawyers can start receiving similar levels of fines and sentences, not to mention regulatory legislation. As it is, perhaps more lawyers graduate these days than MBAs, engineers, and MDs, and the amount of wealth being parasitically siphoned from productive society is approaching Roman Civilization Bureaucratic Collapse proportions.

    I don't think there has ever been such an arrogant caste profession since the days of the Egyptian priesthood. We need to see massive amounts of judges, lawyers, and politicians losing their personal assets and serving lengthy prison terms. Charge them all with bribery, extortion, abuse of power, and put a government ordered price freeze limiting all lawyer wages to $50 hour maximum.

    Fuck "sanctions". This guy needs to be stripped of practicing law ever again, as well as being forced to pay a significant 6 figure fine towards his attempted victim. And we need to see much higher standards and harsher penalties of these "officers" of the "Law".

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    1. Re:Society Strikes Back by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think there has ever been such an arrogant caste profession since the days of the Egyptian priesthood.

      Sure we have. They're called "doctors", "politicians" and "Chief Executive Officers", respectively. Granted, many politicians are also lawyers, so there's some crossover but they all they tend to think just as highly of themselves. I will agree that, unlike the other three groups, doctors do provide useful if overpriced services. If all physicians suddenly disappeared tomorrow many of us would be in trouble, but if attorneys, politicians and "Chief Executive Officers" vanished from the face of the Earth most of us wouldn't even notice.

      For sure there'd be a lot of nice homes and used luxury cars on the market.

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  7. Re:In Communist China by Trails · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tanks squash bloggers. No, really!
    Fixed that for ya.
  8. pro bono? by l2718 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am not sure that there were any legal fees. According to her blog post, Ms. Seidel was represented by the First Amendment team at Public Citizen. Perhaps Public Citizen should be the ones recovering some of the expenses? In any case they should be congratulated for the win!

    1. Re:pro bono? by joseph449008 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Public Citizen offered to help, but AFAIK, they didn't have to do anything. Her pro se motion to quash was top-notch. That said, Public Citizen could presumably take this further if Kathleen and they think it's warranted.

  9. Bravo by MarkvW · · Score: 2, Informative

    From looking at what looks like the email notice of order, it appears that the blogger may have represented herself. That is simply great. Reference to the order also implies that the lawyer seriously overstepped the rules by issuing a subpoena to a nonparty without court approval. I would expect sanctions in such a context. If the blogger gets serious, she can maximize sanctions if she can demonstrate a pattern or practice of similar such abuse. I wish her good luck.

    1. Re:Bravo by jjohnson · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first link includes her response to the subpoena that was so effective. It's a good read.

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  10. Re:Sweet justice by Bobby+Mahoney · · Score: 5, Informative
    Scumbag doesn't begin to classify this guy: He's made a career out of extorting the VICP (Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund), which allows one to file a claim for vaccine injury, with no out of pocket legal expenses, because the court pays attorneys fees, regardless of the merit of the case.

    Paraphrased from Kathy's extremely... "in-depth" blog http://www.neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/149:

    Since June of 2006, Mr. Shoemaker (scumbag) has been paid fees in 22 VICP cases, 15 of which were dismissed.

    Total fees paid to this DB for the DISMISSED CASES are up to $254,291.25.

    Total fees paid for cases which resulted in awards were $330.158.04.

    Oh, and it was 4 hours after this info was published on Kathy's Blog that she was served with the Subpoena.

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  11. In part by ricree · · Score: 2, Informative
    but did you read the rest:

    and Fed R Civ P 45 (c)(1) commanding counsel to avoid burdensome subpoenas.