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Arizona Judge Shoots Down RIAA Theories

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In Atlantic v. Howell, the judge has totally eviscerated the RIAA's theories of 'making available' and 'offering to distribute.' In a 17-page opinion (PDF), District Judge Neil V. Wake carefully analyzed the statute and case law, and based on a 'plain reading of the statute' concluded that 'Unless a copy of the work changes hands in one of the designated ways, a "distribution" under [sec.] 106(3) has not taken place.' The judge also questioned the sufficiency of the RIAA's evidence pointing towards defendant, as opposed to other members of his household. This is the Phoenix, Arizona, case in which the defendant is representing himself, but received some timely help from his friends. And it's the same case in which the RIAA suggested that Mr. Howell's MP3s, copied from his CDs, were unlawful. One commentator calls today's decision 'Another bad day for the RIAA.'"

204 comments

  1. What is thie score now? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    RIAA 1, Everyone else 35920?

    They did win one, didn't they?

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    1. Re:What is thie score now? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      They won plenty, all the people that paid up and didn't try to take it to court. And yes, they did win one for 220,000$ of those too. You'll be hearing about these cases for many years to come...

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    2. Re:What is thie score now? by Technician · · Score: 1

      They did win one, didn't they?

      The won the battle but are losing the battle because of it. They couldn't have done anything better to get a bad PR problem.

      It reminds me of the effect it had on Japan when they won Pearl Harbor in WWII. Right after they won the battle, they realised they woke the sleeping giant.

      Maybe they shouldn't triffle in the affairs of dragons as thou are tasty and crunchy when well done. Write this win up as an oops...

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    3. Re:What is thie score now? by LithiumX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They won quite a few. It's that very success that woke people up to the reality of what this group was doing.

      On a side note, my wife took a look at the ruling I was reading and asked how I could understand any of that. My reply that judicial rulings are usually a far easier read than affidavits and motions got me thinking...

      Has anyone else noticed, on their end, that actually reading through court documents on the web has given them a firmer grasp of legal terms and syntax than they had before? For instance, I still only have a layman's understanding of law, but what used to look like meaningless legal mumbo-jumbo is starting to look more and more like verbose (but logical) legal whitepapers and RFC's.

      Well, -usually- logical. (*cough*SCO*cough)
      br. Either way, do you think that the increasing availability of court papers results in at least some increase in legal literacy?

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    4. Re:What is thie score now? by rakzor · · Score: 1

      That's OVER 9000!

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    5. Re:What is thie score now? by Snowmit · · Score: 1

      It has for me. Starting with the Gaiman vs Mcfarlane case, I've started reading and enjoying more and more legal decisions. As you say, with some practice you can learn at least the broad gist for yourself.

      In some ways it's very interesting to me that the geek and technical crowd, who spend their lives in highly technical jargon and language that takes years to master, are so dismissive of legal stuff. You'd think that having mastered one domain that looks like mumbo jumbo to outsiders, they'd be a little less quick to dismiss another field who's jargon looks like mumbo jumbo to the untrained.

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    6. Re:What is thie score now? by krazytekn0 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      In Soviet Russia, Tinfoil Hats make and sell you!

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    7. Re:What is thie score now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reminds me of the effect it had on Japan when they won Pearl Harbor in WWII. Right after they won the battle, they realised they woke the sleeping giant.

      And after a well-deserved spanking, they picked themselves up and bought Hawaii instead.

    8. Re:What is thie score now? by Technician · · Score: 1

      And after a well-deserved spanking, they picked themselves up and bought Hawaii instead.

      After Pearl Harbor, they were on the receiving end of 2 special deliveries to their home land.

      The RIAA and member labels are next.. They bombed a copyright violator. The PR dammage is severe and the tables are starting to turn since it was way too heavy a stroke. I hope they don't have asbestos on cause the tide has turned.

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      The truth shall set you free!
    9. Re:What is thie score now? by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not so sure it's dismissive so much as derisive. Part of that is in the compulsory nature of law. Plumbers can't just send you a letter full of gibberish that translates to "hire a plumber or never flush again!" and make it stick. Lawyers do that all the time. While they do tend to make you miss a day of work if you hire them, you can opt to do without. Plumbers can't force you to take off for weeks even if it bankrupts you.

      I'm not saying that there is a good way to fix all of the above, but I must say it doesn't appear that there's much effort to even try. I'll bet most lawyers would be pissed if I could just compell them seemingly at random to write a POS system in C or hire someone to do it for them. They would be especially ticked off if they could then potentially be forced to sell off their worldly posessions if I found a bug.

      I have bothered to learn the basics of law, it's philosophy and jargon. As a result, I have gained respect for some lawyers and judgs and lost a great deal of respect for others.

    10. Re:What is thie score now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you use a quote, please use it well.
      The original was tolkien.
      Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
      The joke matches in meter and timbre.
      Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

    11. Re:What is thie score now? by electrictroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thomas Jefferson said laws should be written in plain English, because laws exist to serve the People, and need to be understood by the same.

      Makes sense to me. Why insert a bunch of flowery language just to say, "It is wrong to enter another man's household."

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    12. Re:What is thie score now? by AmaDaden · · Score: 1

      It's not just law. People are learning more about everything. I just consider this generation the first hyper-educated generation. Educated beyond reasonable need with no imitate social draw backs. In other words you know more then you need to in one or more random areas but are not a 'geek'. Anyone anywhere could become an expert on anything and still be normal looking and acting. All the information you need is at your finger tips. The only thing holding people back from learning now is the desire to learn. I am the only self described geek among my friends but all of us are full of random facts we learned from the net.

    13. Re:What is thie score now? by sjames · · Score: 1

      I agree. I find it unconscionable to hold people responsable for obeying the law when they are so numerous and jargon laden that even a well educated specialist can't know them all. When even the lawmakers are ignorant of large swaths of law, I say ignorance certainly *IS* an excuse.

      That is particularly true when even looking something up online or at the library is put out of reach for many by couching everything in jargon. Particularly since some of that jargon consists of placing specially loaded meanings on common words contrary to the general understanding of their meaning. Finally, legal advice is simply beyond the means of a significant segment of the population, often exactly the people who are least likely to successfully mull their way through a legal text.

      Then, of course, there's the patched up nature of the law. Many bills signed into law are patches against a collection of existing laws that are themselves patches to patches. Imagine if every program out there was a series of patches against patches tracing their lineage back to "hello world" implemented on a difference engine!

      I seriously wonder, if an effort was made to flatten and normalize the lot of it, would it succeed? If two such efforts were made, would the resulting texts agree?

      The big "elephant in the room" is that most people just do whatever they feel is right and hope the law agrees. The fabric of society would be ripped apart if perfect enforcement were ever implemented. I find it disturbing that the current trend is to do just that. For example, a disturbing number of prosecutors ask only if they CAN get a conviction rather than if they SHOULD.

    14. Re:What is thie score now? by LithiumX · · Score: 1

      Thomas Jefferson said laws should be written in plain English, because laws exist to serve the People, and need to be understood by the same. Makes sense to me. Why insert a bunch of flowery language just to say, "It is wrong to enter another man's household."

      I agree in principle, and to a great extent this country's legal language is purposefully more accessible than what you see in many other industrialized nations. However...

      The example statement you gave implies that it is wrong for me to come over to a friend's home, at their invitation. It also makes the job of a plumber, cable repairman, or even a cop serving a proper warrant, a criminal. It's too vague, and says nothing about what circumstances it's meant to apply to. Common sense would suggest that some things are ok, but in that case why even write it down at all? It also means that someone arguing against it has no information on it's intent or the logic that drove it.

      Most laws, at least the well-written ones, try to be as specific as possible. For instance, you should add the qualifier "without the consent of the owner". That allows for cases of permission. But then you have to clarify "consent". A written and signed document is extreme, and would make for hardship. Spoken consent is the norm, though at some point (either as an additional clarification, or something in another law that can be drawn as a reference) the definition of "consent" has to be laid out - or the a burglar's attorney would have an easy time finding a loophole. Also, who is the owner? If a husband's name is on the house, does that mean his wife can't invite anyone inside? What about his children (inviting either another child or an adult). What if the house is rented? That might suggest that you can't bring company over without consent from the actual property owner.

      There are common sense answers, but laws don't work well if they rely on common sense for anything except unlikely or simply unforeseen situations.

      Then there's the matter of "wrong". Yes, it's wrong, under many circumstances, to enter another man's house. That makes a burglar bad. Very bad. Did they commit a crime? What about a friend who spreads lies about you in order to undermine your social standing? That's wrong too, and there are laws regarding slander and libel, but it's not a criminal act. What if another friend is told an important, harmless, but not legally protected, secret - and disseminates that information immediately afterwards? That's just plain wrong - but no law will ever cover it, and good luck getting a court to involve itself.

      Communications with an outside non-legal party should be written in as plain English as possible, but this requires far more care and skill than a standard legal document, as anything said can be held as binding in court - meaning every single ambiguity can be turned against it's intent. On the other hand, ambiguity takes even more skill to hide in a standard legal text (much like sophistry took more skill in Latin and Greek due to the structure of those languages).

      Luckily judges usually have the authority to call bullshit when ambiguity is obviously abused. They don't always use it, but then again, judicial skill varies as well.
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    15. Re:What is thie score now? by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      "It is wrong to enter another man's household." Because, what's a man? What's a household? What's entering? What's it mean if something is wrong? And is it always wrong at the same level? (I rather like the idea that it's less wrong to hop a fence to retrieve a baseball than to break through a window to kill a family).

      The other issue is that we're a common-law society -- legal precedents have meaning, but aren't written up as laws. (They tend to answer the kinds of questions above). But unless someone's going to come out with the footnoted version of all the laws out there (which, admittedly, companies like Westlaw try to do, for other lawyers), just reading simple laws won't give the answers. The law isn't what Congress says -- it's what a judge says. (That's what I learned working in the Senate).
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    16. Re:What is thie score now? by Touvan · · Score: 1

      I think you have that slightly backwards. Geeks are curious people that require a lot of information before they are comfortable making a decision (this includes social decisions - and the human stuff is the hardest stuff for geeks to wrap their heads around).

      What's changed is that those geeks have more access to research and data on human social behavior, and are therefor more likely to figure out how to act "normal" earlier in life, where in previous generations, those same people may never have had the opportunity to learn quite as much on the same topic, since they were so alienated.

      So I think the geeks look more normal. Average people are therefor more likely to take their opinions on a variety of topics, and that makes them seem more intelligent. It's more the geeks getting normal, less the masses getting smarter.

    17. Re:What is thie score now? by AmaDaden · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of that too. In my self and another geek friend. However several of the people I know started out as clear non-geeks. Football playing, loud mouth, 'wohoo!! party!' guys who became people I can have a deep conversation with on politics and philosophy. I think that both parts are happening but the change in the masses is most interesting.

      My hope is that being an idiot will finally be looked down on. I think it's starting to happen. Think back to 10 years ago and how fashionable it was to say stuff like "Bah! Computers! I don't get why I need them". Now if you know about something that is new and tech heavy you are looked up to more then looked down on.

    18. Re:What is thie score now? by mstahl · · Score: 1

      Legal documents, to me, read like programs for people to run written in English. We're all accustomed to that same explicit and very specific language (unless you write Perl).

    19. Re:What is thie score now? by LithiumX · · Score: 1

      My hope is that being an idiot will finally be looked down on. I think it's starting to happen. Think back to 10 years ago and how fashionable it was to say stuff like "Bah! Computers! I don't get why I need them". Now if you know about something that is new and tech heavy you are looked up to more then looked down on.

      Most people will gauge behavioral norms based on what they see others doing - peer emulation. If a large percentage of their peers are known to engage in a specific interest or activity, it's socially acceptable - no matter what it is, in any society. Bandwagon effect. Instead of assuming that anything unusual or rarely seen is specifically abnormal, the average person will base abnormality on what a small (but identifiable) segment of their peers enjoy but do not share with the majority. Anything else that can't be tied to a social group of any kind is not readily classifiable and thus can't be easily stereotyped.

      When computers were a rarity, and those versed in them even more so, the public had no clear stereotype for geeks (at least the computational variety). As their numbers increased in everyday life, an identifiable patterns emerged - and their segment of the population eventually became large enough to transition from a socially unclassified group - to a full blown stereotype. They were assigned a social caste.

      When a minority are able to understand a thing that the minority cannot, they are viewed as separate. Reactions to them will usually be some form of awe or mystification (geeks definitely got that treatment), or social marginalization (since at that point there are differences for the majority to persecute). That awe and persecution of any minority group not in power is an old story, and one that everyone experiences growing up (social minority kids getting together more out of mutual exclusion than shared interests, and the popular kids living in mortal fear of the very real threat that any perceived abnormality would destroy their social standing).

      The fact that it's no longer uncool to show skill in computers is due, more than anything else, to the fact that most of the population is now exposed to them, and share at least some skill.

      Being an idiot will only be acceptable for as long as it's shared by any particular peer group. Reality TV, for example, makes things worse - not by making people more stupid, but by making them feel that stupidity is normal, and that any attempt to change threatens to remove the safety blanket of normalcy.

      Unless we begin testing every individual, and terminating anyone below a required intellectual ability, that will never end. Since we can't do that without demolishing every the underpinnings of freedom (ie the basic right to your own life as you want it), we'll just have to live with the fact that the majority will always be of average intelligence - and "idiocy" will always be judged based on what average intelligence is at any given time.

      Also, if you think geeks are immune to majority-driven peer pressure, why don't you fire up some Cindy Lauper on your speakers (in the office), and see how long you can take the non-existant pressure. :) Hell, if you've got some real balls, how about some Tiffany.
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    20. Re:What is thie score now? by AmaDaden · · Score: 1

      I find your analysis on the 'why' of this idea dead on and very interesting. However I still have hope that people will see 'stupid is bad'. Technicality complex things require intelligence to use and fix. The link that 'smart people use complex tech' is clear in people. As humanity as a whole moves more to a life style that uses technology on a daily basis then I think that the group think you refer too might also move towards 'inelegance = tech = good'. Even in your example the major draw of some reality TV is not to emulate but to mock. Like Jerry Springer, you watch who you don't want to be because seeing such an extreme case of humanity is comical. If the people seen on reality TV are stupid and openly mocked by the majority then using your logic Reality TV can help make 'stupid = bad'.

    21. Re:What is thie score now? by bentcd · · Score: 1

      It reminds me of the effect it had on Japan when they won Pearl Harbor in WWII. Right after they won the battle, they realised they woke the sleeping giant. They knew this well enough beforehand. Admiral Yamamoto is known to have said, on several occasions, that "I can run wild for six months ... after that, I have no expectation of success." (quote from wikipedia)

      That the Japenese government failed to properly capitalize on this six month head start is a different matter entirely. They took a calculated gamble and they lost. This can happen to the Greatest of Powers.

      Sony et al, however, appear to have absolutely no realization of how much pain they are currently setting themselves up for further down the line. This happens when your leaders are too far removed from reality to be able to make rational decisions. And when your shareholders repeatedly fail to recognize this state of affairs.
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    22. Re:What is thie score now? by Technician · · Score: 1

      They knew this well enough beforehand.

      The Japenese government did not expect to catch the feet by suprise. They expected a full battle, but the storm they arrived in gave them an unexpected advantage of a suprise attack.

      This is much like the $222,000 copyright violation award. The RIAA expected a fight an a settlement to set a precident of winning. They did not expect to win big and the fallout from such a damaging award. They had a poor defendant that gave them an unfair advantage producing in effect a Peral Harbor suprise attack on an individual with far greater damage than expected. The nation has noticed. They have awoken the sleeping giant and he is grumpy.

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  2. Judge shoots down RIAA by flaming+error · · Score: 0

    The RIAA should have known better. In Arizona, you don't mess around. Everybody's packin' iron.

    1. Re:Judge shoots down RIAA by mpoulton · · Score: 3, Funny

      CCW FTW!

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    2. Re:Judge shoots down RIAA by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Actually I'm pretty sure Arizona is an open carry state. You don't even need to conceal it (and you don't need a permit or anything if you go open instead of concealed). Just strap your six shooter on your hip and you're good to go ;).

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      "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    3. Re:Judge shoots down RIAA by kesuki · · Score: 1

      the whole point of concealed weapons are that some total stranger can't grab it out of your holster and shoot you with it.

      cops run into that problem far more often than they'd like, and research has been done into putting biometrics into handguns for police so they can't be shot with their own firearm.

      so open carry isn't as safe as concealed carry, plus with concealed carry, if you need to shoot someone they don't know what's coming until it's too late.

      but shooting the idiots in the music industry, won't solve anything. What would solve things is an insane tax on analog music recordings, to shift the market to digital media. something like 500% should do it, and might help pay off that 9.4 trillion dollar national debt were faced with (its going up over a million dollars a minute, too)

      it's not like music recordings need to sell at $10 to support artists and song writers, it's needed to make 5 or 6 multi billionaires in charge of analog music distribution.

    4. Re:Judge shoots down RIAA by narthollis · · Score: 1

      Out of interest, what analog medium are you referring to?

      Its my understanding that CD's are still the largest selling audio medium - and last time i check, CD's *ARE* a digital medium.

      Additionally for those few who still want to buy analogue media where available (vinyl records) who are you to tax them to oblivion?

      On the other hand, if you are saying that it's the physical media that should be taxed into oblivion - can you inform me of where i can download CD quality (loss-less) audio files, in an accessible format (FLAC, raw-pcm), with the same range as my local CD shop.

      Your last point however, I do agree with - there is no need for the exorbitant 'distribution' costs the record labels take from each sale.

    5. Re:Judge shoots down RIAA by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      You sound like a communist (or the gentler version of same: Socialist). Why should I have to pay a 500% tax just because I prefer to collect records or CDs, instead of lossy-compressed files?

      Butt off. I'll decide how to live my life; I don't need you applying a "sin tax" to my record/CD purchases.

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      The government is not your daddy. Its purpose is not to raid middle-class neighbors' wallets and give it to you.
    6. Re:Judge shoots down RIAA by dlanod · · Score: 1

      Pffft we're talking about the RIAA facing the music... CCR FTW!!! *runs*

  3. Unfortunately this probably won't end here by NonSequor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This decision only means that the law currently on the books can't be interpreted in the way the RIAA wants.

    However, looking at the history of the RIAA's lobbying efforts, it's extremely likely that we'll soon be seeing a law that criminalizes making copyrighted files available.

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    1. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but there are anti-RIAA forces that are a lot more organised than they were in pre-DMCA days. I don't think many people on Slashdot really cared about copyright laws until the MPAA sued over DeCSS. These days, the EFF has quite substantial support, politicians realise that there are actually quite a lot of people who think current levels of copyright are too strong, and we're actually pretty organised (albeit in an ad-hoc chaotic way).

    2. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it's extremely likely that we'll soon be seeing a law that criminalizes making copyrighted files available. That would completely shut down the internet (not to mention appearance in public of everything which is copyrighted -- better not drive a car, or read a book on a subway train) as all files are copyrighted and all files are "made available" for everything which exists on the internet. It would instantly create trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars of liability. And 13 year old downloaders will become part of tens of millions of copyright trolls collecting 6 figure sums against groups like the RIAA. It would be a total legal systemic meltdown. Hooray, the copyright abolitionists win!

      If you can access and see the file anywhere on the internet (either legally or illegally) you can make that file "available" merely by being connected to the internet through no fault of your own. And businesses would definitely be infected with viruses and worms that made files "available".

      But I guess it would also be nice to see businesses sued for $150,000 per identity stolen from lost laptops making data "available".
    3. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So the kicker to get it to end here?

      And I quote: "we're actually pretty organized (albeit in an ad-hoc chaotic way)"

      This quote sums it up perfectly for the first amendment! We have the freedom to gather peacefully. This is an unalienable right. As such, to target the groups with lawsuits, and criminal proceedings should be looked at as an attempt by these organizations to circumvent the government. Alas, I say, the actions of the RIAA, and MPAA amount to nothing more than terrorism.

      For my justification, I will point out, in the patriot act, that hacking is terrorism when its use is to somehow alter a political situation. Thus, it can be seen that those who have been targeted are in the same category as any other victim of terrorism. Time then, that we wake up, and defeat this enemy of freedom, this subverter of America? I'm as serious as the AIDS epidemic. Try me.

    4. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't advocate copyright infringement but I can't help but to snicker at the RIAA. Too many times it has gone after the ignorant, computer illiterate grandparents of some 12 year old brat who was actually to blame for the infringement, the RIAA is no better than the infringers they pursue when employing such shotgun salvo tactics.

    5. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Alas, I say, the actions of the RIAA, and MPAA amount to nothing more than terrorism

      They're not treeorists. Terrorism is physical violence against civilians for political change. The MAFIAA are Extortionists, not terrorists.

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    6. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      god you all sound like pathetic whiny little kiddies.
      buy your music you fucking thieves.

    7. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by AmaDaden · · Score: 1

      Better yet if you don't need to be the copy right holder to sue you can sue radio and Mtv, Video and audio can be copied from the air waves as well. One step better, if the wording is vague enough we can sue the RIAA for selling the music they own. Even if we are paying for it it's still being 'made available'.

    8. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I assume you post anonymously because of your slander? No matter, the RIAA isn't the only ones with tools to determine who posted what where. You wil be hearing form my lawyer shortly.

      And I thank you for giving me all your money like that.

      -mcgrew

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      mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
    9. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by mstahl · · Score: 1

      Ad-hoc and chaotic . . . like the Minutemen in the American Revolution? Seriously that's not a disadvantage at all; it's one way we can win.

    10. Re:Unfortunately this probably won't end here by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Seriously that's not a disadvantage at all; it's one way we can win.

      It has advantages and disadvantages. The main advantage is that without any centralised organisation, it can't be targetted. Most revolutionary groups tend to be organised like this.

  4. I have to say... by Raineer · · Score: 1

    I am impressed by the judge. It is nice to see a case where the defendant was not at the mercy of expensive lawyers, and the judge actually took a look at the case law before making a decision.

    It is crazy to assume a wrongdoing when no transaction has taken place. Alcohol stores are not fined when minors fail to buy alcohol, a transaction has to take place for the offense to be actionable. Good show.

    1. Re:I have to say... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2

      I am impressed by the judge. It is nice to see a case where the defendant was not at the mercy of expensive lawyers, and the judge actually took a look at the case law before making a decision. Me too. This was a good day for the rule of law.
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    2. Re:I have to say... by oahazmatt · · Score: 1

      I am impressed by the judge. It is nice to see a case where the defendant was not at the mercy of expensive lawyers, and the judge actually took a look at the case law before making a decision. Me too. This was a good day for the rule of law. If the defendant is found to be innocent does the Judge's decision today set a decent precedent?
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      find their privates are on the Internet.
    3. Re:I have to say... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      If the defendant is found to be innocent does the Judge's decision today set a decent precedent? Today's decision is an important precedent no matter what happens at the trial. It is the clearest and most comprehensive decision to date on the RIAA's campaign to enlarge the 17 USC 106(3) distribution right. This decision, unlike Judge Karas's decision in Barker, is mainstream. It takes the statute, the caselaw, and the legal scholarship, and brings it all home.
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    4. Re:I have to say... by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      Yes. Everything that happens in court can be seen as setting a precedent, even the cases where RIAA dropped out because it looked like they were going to lose. The difference is that this ruling, like several others that've been passed against them recently, is actually useful to reference in a case. :)

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      If you believe everything you read, you'd better not read. - Japanese proverb
    5. Re:I have to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. District courts are trial courts and cannot set binding precedent.

      A slew of cases that hold similarly though do influence appellate courts though, and those decisions do create binding law.

      Innocence (technically a lack of liability) will have zero effect though because each case will be fact based. Much more important are legal issues, such as the one addressed here.

    6. Re:I have to say... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think the conclusion says it all:

      The court is not unsympathetic to the difficulty that Internet file-sharing systems pose to owners of registered copyrights. Even so, it is not the position of this court to respond to new technological innovations by expanding the protections received by copyright holders beyond those found in the Copyright Act.
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    7. Re:I have to say... by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was not so much that a transaction had not taken place, but rather that the RIAA had failed to prove, in point of fact, that a transaction had actually taken place (i.e. it is not enough that the law could have been broken, it must be shown that it actually was broken). I thought that the following commentary from senior EFF lawyer Fred von Lohmann was especially informative:

      "If the RIAA wants to keep bringing these suits and collecting big settlements, then they have to follow the law and prove their case. It's not enough to say the law could have been broken. The RIAA must prove it actually was broken."

      It has been said that "reason is the light of the law" and we certainly saw that light shine through today in this decision.

    8. Re:I have to say... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      That's what always bothered me, I could place 4 MB of random noise into a file and name it as if it were a copyrighted RIAA work and I'd get a letter. Now at least their toadies have to actually down load the file made "available" and then would have to comfirm it's what the title of the file purports it to be. Magic 8 ball says a lot of decoy file are going to appear on P2P networks now!

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    9. Re:I have to say... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      That sounds to me like exactly the argument they need to get Congress to pass a stronger law.

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    10. Re:I have to say... by clint999 · · Score: 0

      I have a friend who promotes his own band solely online, and (as well as the regular Myspace and streaming audio from his page) he deliberately runs multiple filesharing clients, sharing only his own music. As an unsigned, self promoting artist who makes m

    11. Re:I have to say... by Iamthecheese · · Score: 0, Troll

      Speaking of reason, I can't see how at least some of the judgement can stand. It would mean I can legally make something available on my hard drive, publish its availability, and not be infringing on the copyright.

      To put that another way, if I allow free downloads and accept donations, I'm not infringing, even if I'm paying for bandwidth too.

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    12. Re:I have to say... by menace3society · · Score: 1


      Most jurisdictions can fine the bar or seller just for having minors on the premises that aren't employed.

      Judges, in many cases (I can't say most having not done the research), seem to be interested in legitimately seeing justice done, but they are constrained by 1) the superior organization and presentation of high-priced lawyers, and 2) not pissing off the people that put them in office. In most cases bogus lawsuits end in a settlement, since even fighting the case to the end and winning is economically worse for the defendant.

      The problem is, at heart, lawyers and the general inability of courts to punish people for filing dumb lawsuits, and it's exacerbated by the complement of the good, fair judges, who don't understand technical issues and usually rule questionably and write puzzling opinions.

    13. Re:I have to say... by shark72 · · Score: 1

      "Speaking of reason, I can't see how at least some of the judgement can stand. It would mean I can legally make something available on my hard drive, publish its availability, and not be infringing on the copyright."

      If a copyright holder took you to court, and the court ruled the same way, and the copyright holder couldn't prove that a file was actually downloaded, then yes.

      "To put that another way, if I allow free downloads and accept donations, I'm not infringing, even if I'm paying for bandwidth too."

      Whether you accept donations doesn't have much to do with it (although it might affect the settlement if you were found liable). 'Twould be too easy for the copyright holder to get the server logs, or even just download one of the files to show that infringement had taken place (cue the "but that would be entrapment!" crowd in 3, 2, 1...)

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    14. Re:I have to say... by daveime · · Score: 1

      a lot of decoy file are going to appear on P2P networks now!

      What, because there weren't any fake files before ?

      OO, let's have a look at the availability of "die hard 4" ... hmm ... 23 sources, 22 sources, and right at the top 55,789 sources .. and it's a "wmv" file too and only 6MB (must be some new video compression algo to fit a 2 hour movie in 6MB) ... wow, I should download that right away !!!

      <sarcasm>

    15. Re:I have to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a stronger law is what's needed. Millions of kids are stealing all their entertainment. it has to stop, and if that means a new law, fine lets do it.

    16. Re:I have to say... by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for the RIAA, their facts are tenuous at best- as we all know. They don't have anything that can pin Direct Infringement on the defendant, and don't appear to have anything that would pin Contributory Infringement on him either, if I'm reading this decision right.

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    17. Re:I have to say... by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Actually, they can't just download it themselves by themselves. The decisions clearly calls that one out. By and of itself, the Rights Holder or one of their agents, in this instance, can't download the files and prove anything other than they intended to commit contributory infringement- they have to prove that it actually occurred to make it stick.

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    18. Re:I have to say... by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      The word of the law seems to have failed the RIAA. As a result of this, the RIAA should now have a decent argument to bring to congress to demonstrate that the current laws do not adequately protect corporate business interests.

      Won't this just encourage, even justify the cartel to further lobby congress to pass more draconian anti-digital copying laws?

      In my experience, corporations and governments do not change to meet the intentions of the laws, the laws change to meet the intentions of corporations and governments.. and the executives of those bodies, whatever their motivations may be.

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  5. He got by with a little help from his friends... by Steve1952 · · Score: 1
    I guess that you could say that "he got by with a little help from his friends".

    Beatles, Sgt. Peppers lonely heart's club band, 1967

  6. I'm glad this guy got appointed..... by john_anderson_ii · · Score: 1

    for the Arizona district. As an Arizonan I wish he were an elected official so that we could keep him on that bench for a good long while. This is the second major issue Wake has weighed in on, and both have been good decisions that are good for Arizona. I hope he continues to do this.

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    1. Re:I'm glad this guy got appointed..... by pilsner.urquell · · Score: 1

      Judge Wake is a good guy, he knows when a law is bad, when a law is good and when it is just marginal. He and Rep. Russell Pearce have worked together to enact some of the best laws we have here in Arizona.

    2. Re:I'm glad this guy got appointed..... by Whatsthiswhatsthis · · Score: 1

      Judge Wake isn't going anywhere. He's an Article III judge (part of that Constitution thing)--meaning that he's got his bench for life.

    3. Re:I'm glad this guy got appointed..... by Bassman59 · · Score: 1

      Judge Wake is a good guy, he knows when a law is bad, when a law is good and when it is just marginal. He and Rep. Russell Pearce have worked together to enact some of the best laws we have here in Arizona.

      "Pearce" and "good anything" is an oxymoron. and Pearce is a moron.

    4. Re:I'm glad this guy got appointed..... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      I wish he were an elected official so that we could keep him on that bench for a good long while
      Federal judges are appointed for life. The only ways he'd leave the bench are if (1) he were impeached (I doubt Arizonians would want to keep him if this were the case), (2) he moved up to a higher court (elections wouldn't prevent this from happening), or (3) he retired (elections wouldn't prevent this from happening).
  7. Re:He got by with a little help from his friends.. by zegota · · Score: 1

    That Billy Shears was a rockin' dude.

  8. The reason... by Skeet112 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The main reason you don't hear about the RIAA winning any case is because.....

    They don't.

    They use their Gestapo mindset and frivolous law-suit threats until the person they are harassing into submission, and finally settle out of court. The one's you actually hear about are the ones that go to court, and those tend to be in the defendant's favor... (Aside from the legal fees that you'd have to pay.)

    1. Re:The reason... by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      what's it take to be able to counter-sue for your court costs?

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    2. Re:The reason... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I've always suspected that the senior RIAA lawyers have a sneaking admiration for Sun Tzu. Several of the most significant quotations from The Art of War boil down to saying you should only fight the fights you can win, and you should rely on deception to reduce your opponent's resistance.

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    3. Re:The reason... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      I've always suspected that the senior RIAA lawyers have a sneaking admiration for Sun Tzu. Several of the most significant quotations from The Art of War boil down to saying you should only fight the fights you can win, and you should rely on deception to reduce your opponent's resistance. If they are such astute strategists, why are they losing?

      I'm not sure the rules you mentioned are necessarily the path to victory.

      (a) Many of the greatest events in military history were improbable upsets by small bands of theoretically overmatched fighters who, on paper, couldn't win.

      (b) The master of deception was Hitler. Look where he wound up. He won a bunch of battles, but lost the war. I wonder what have been the results of a poll taken among citizens of Berlin in 1946 as to the question: "Was Adolf Hitler a military genius?"
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    4. Re:The reason... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      If they are such astute strategists, why are they losing?

      You have an interesting definition of "losing", I fear. After several years of obvious abuse of the legal system, it seems like a small number of court cases might finally put an end to a tactic that has been pretty much unethical from the start. However, I'll wager that there are still plenty of people who have settled in the last month, presumably paying out silly sums of money, as a result of the RIAA's legal tactics. How much has the RIAA paid to anyone in return, apart from its own lawyers? If the answer isn't greater, it's hard to see how the RIAA are "losing". It's more than they're winning by slightly less now.

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    5. Re:The reason... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      You have an interesting definition of "losing", I fear. Hmmm. Accomplishing nothing whatsoever for your clients.... getting the whole underlying theory of your litigation campaign blown out from under you.... getting hit with attorneys fee awards in two cases.... being brought up on charges of a Rule 11 violation by a Magistrate..... getting caught in lies..... finding out that your investigators, upon whose 'investigation' your entire campaign is based, happen to be operating illegally.... finding out that your 'expert witness' passes none of the Daubert reliability tests.... incurring millions and millions of dollars in attorneys fees, while receiving much less than that back in settlements and/or recoveries.... "deterring" no one, although "deterrence" was your goal.... watching your company's stock go into the toilet...... having to defend a nationwide class action.... having to deal with criminal investigations for using unlicensed investigators which will probably probe your role as an 'aider and abettor'.... being made a laughingstock throughout the world.... being able to win only cases where the defendant doesn't show up, where the defendant can't afford a lawyer, or where the lawyer is not competent, and even then losing some cases where the defendant never even bothered to show up, or where the defendant had to represent himself because he couldn't afford a lawyer..... losing money on every single litigation you bring. It may or may not fit your criteria for "losing", but it sure doesn't sound like it would fit anyone's definition of "winning".

      After several years of obvious abuse of the legal system, it seems like a small number of court cases might finally put an end to a tactic that has been pretty much unethical from the start. Winning and losing don't happen overnight, it takes time. You win some battles, you lose some battles, but somewhere along the line someone wins the war. "Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small."

      However, I'll wager that there are still plenty of people who have settled in the last month, presumably paying out silly sums of money, as a result of the RIAA's legal tactics. Definitely. But I would wager that every month the percentage of people fighting, rather than settling, is greater than in the month before.

      How much has the RIAA paid to anyone in return, apart from its own lawyers? We don't know that. There have been confidential settlements where attorneys fees were probably paid to the defendant, but since they're confidential we'll never know the amount. We do know that (a) there has been a $68,685 attorneys fee payment by the RIAA in Capitol v. Foster, and (b) there will be an attorneys fee payment in Atlantic v. Andersen (we don't know the amount yet, but Ms. Andersen's lawyer put in more than $150,000 worth of time). I.e., if an innocent person hangs in there, fights, and wins, he or she will probably get attorneys fees. And why do you say "apart from its own lawyers"? If the RIAA collects $5 million a year in settlements, and pays only $250,000 a year out in attorneys fee awards, but pays $10 million a year to "its own lawyers", why would that be a "win" for the RIAA? I can't imagine that my clients would think that was a "win" -- paying me more than twice what I collected for them. It's a "win" all right, but it's a win for the lawyers only. If the question is how are the RIAA lawyers doing, then the answer is 'yes they're winning'. They're the only 'winners' in this fiasco. But I believe that where lawyers collect a lot of money for doing lousy work and accomplishing nothing, they usually wind up paying a price for that down the road. In the short term, though, the RIAA's lawyers are concededly raking it in.

      If the answer isn't greater, it's hard to see how the RIAA are "losing". It's more than they're winning by slightly less now. In the words of Bob Dylan, "time will tell who has fell.... and who's been left behind.... you go your way.... I'll go mine." I believe time will tell that the RIAA fell.
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  9. Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by Grendel_Prime · · Score: 1

    Illegal MP3s copied from his CDs on his computer? Whatever happened to the whole concept of fair use? Granted the RIAA probably *always* hated the concept of fair use, but how can their whole court mafia get away with suggesting that fair-use on his computer (who wants to store all their CDs on their computers in WAV format???) is illegal? For reals, someone please come up with a good test case to bring this to the supreme court already!!!

    1. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      who wants to store all their CDs on their computers in WAV format???

      Few, but lossless is only becoming more popular as the cost of storage space goes down. I ripped my entire CD collection to my hard drive and encoded it in FLAC. I have digital audio-out, so I can connect my computer directly to my stereo and never have to take my CDs down from the shelf again.

    2. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The RIAA suggested that the Diamond Rio MP3 player violated the AHRA, too -- even though they should have known better, and even though the AHRA had been sold as a law to prevent frivolous anti-technology lawsuits.

      One of the things the judge pointed out (in ruling against the RIAA) was that copying music from a CD to a portable MP3 player (space-shifting) was paradigmic Fair Use: completely legal!

      That's NOT a finding that offering MP3s to random strangers over the Net is legal -- but it does raise the question of how the RIAA could possibly claim that making MP3s from your own CDs is illegal, when they LOST previously, in part, on that very point!

    3. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      I think there is one way in which this could actually be illegal: the mp3 encoding part. Technically, you're supposed to have bought a license from Fraunhofer to make an encoding in their patented format. It's okay to decode mp3, you just can't encode to mp3. But I haven't heard of Fraunhofer trying to enforce this on users. They restrain themselves to hitting up only those who make software or devices that can encode to mp3.

      The problem is easily avoided by using an unencumbered format such as Ogg Vorbis or FLAC.

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    4. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by nsayer · · Score: 1

      Illegal MP3s copied from his CDs on his computer? Whatever happened to the whole concept of fair use? Well, nothing, but you have a non-sequitur there. The law that grants you the ability to rip CDs is actually the AHRA - the grandfather of the DMCA. One of the few things it did that were good for consumers was make media-shifting explicitly legal.
    5. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by LionMage · · Score: 1

      If you use software that is properly licensed with Fraunhofer, you're covered. There's no need for an end user to purchase a license from Fraunhofer if the software the end user has obtained has a properly paid-for license, paid for by the seller or distributor of that software. Thus, Apple iTunes is legit -- you can rip CDs to MP3 format using iTunes and not worry about being licensed with Fraunhofer, because Apple did that for you. Apple pays a ton of money to Fraunhofer to license that patent, you betcha.

      If you're using LAME to rip your CDs to MP3, though, and you haven't paid Fraunhofer or one of the other MPEG patent holders for the right to do so, you could get in trouble. LAME isn't patent licensed, although some companies and individuals have bought licenses from Fraunhofer in order to legally use the LAME code.

      But this is all related to patent issues with MP3 codecs and not the copyright infringement issue that the RIAA is grousing about.

    6. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Illegal MP3s copied from his CDs on his computer?

      As this is the internationalnetwork different countries' laws are being argued as if everyone's laws are the same. In Britain iinm there is no "fair use" and MP3s ripped from your own CDs are in fact illegal.

      Here in the US they are legal under "fair use" until you distribute them without the copyright holder's permission, at which point they become "illegal MP3s".

      Note that I did not say "copyright owner" but "copyright holder". In the US you don't OWN a copyright. To make an analogy to real property, if you are renting a house from your landlord you don't own the house and you don't own the lease. You don't own the poem you wrote, you have a "limited" time monopoly on it, and you do not own the copyright, as it will expire (although you and your crandchildren will likely expire first, thanks to our corporate-owned overlords in Congress).

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    7. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The user also has the option to use Vorbis which is patent free and outperforms MP3 at any bitrate.

      As you point out, none of this affects the RIAA, they have no standing to sue for the patent infringement even if it exists. The holders of the MP3 patents have chosen not to pursue free software implementations.

    8. Re:Fair use laws, wherefore art thou? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I ripped mine to FLAC and stream them via my PS3 transcoded to WAV format. Works very well.

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  10. Once again a court by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    shows that distribution is the crime, not downloading.

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    1. Re:Once again a court by tattood · · Score: 1

      Aren't those related? In order for one person to download music, someone else has to distribute it.

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    2. Re:Once again a court by nixNscratches · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, Howell claims he never downloaded any music. According to his testimony, the music files on his PC were ripped from CDs he owns. He used KaZaa to download porn and free e-books which he gave KaZaa the right to "share". At the heart of his defense is the idea that KaZaa searched his hard drive for media that was never intended to be shared and made that available without his knowledge or consent.

    3. Re:Once again a court by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Aren't those related? In order for one person to download music, someone else has to distribute it.

      True but you have to charge the correct person. And when you charge someone with distribution, you have to well, prove, they did in fact distribute it.

    4. Re:Once again a court by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Funny

      when you charge someone with distribution, you have to well, prove, they did in fact distribute it Picky picky.
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    5. Re:Once again a court by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no "crime" involved, it's a civil matter.

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    6. Re:Once again a court by mr_matticus · · Score: 2, Informative

      This case is a civil matter, yes. Distribution absolutely can be a crime, though. Atlantic had very little hope of proving their civil case here, so obviously they weren't even going to try for even harder-to-prove criminal charges.

      Just like there's civil fraud and criminal fraud, there is both civil and criminal copyright infringement.

    7. Re:Once again a court by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No, distribution is also a crime now.

      Haven't you been paying attention. To charge someone with a crime you will need actual evidence, so the RIAA seldom has a criminal case.

      In fact, marshals will raid a company if the BSA asks.

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    8. Re:Once again a court by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 3, Funny

      the porn defence,
      well i was just browsing porn and then something happened and my computer was full of the internets

      only the RIAA could distort reality so much that people claim to be downloading porn to explain the presence of music & films on thier computer.

      shame that itll be very easy to prove that the files wernt ripped from the CDs when:
      a) The files are encoded by a variety of encoders and a variety of bandwidth (like to see him explain that, he could at best make the jury not 100% sure)
      b) The comment files contain "get your warez from stupidwebsite.com"

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    9. Re:Once again a court by Aire+Libre · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. No one has to distribute it in order for someone to download it. The judge was interpreting the exclusive right to distribute in Section 106(3) of the Copyright Act, which specifically limits it to the right to distribute "copies" and "phonorecords", which in turn are defined as tangible objects. The confusion comes from the popular use of "distribute" to mean "disseminate", but there is no exclusive right of dissemination. So, the judge got it right. Downloading may infringe the exclusive right of reproduction, but nothing tangible changes hands, so it is not a distribution. If I help you make an illegal copy of something, I may be "secondarily" liable for your act of infringement of the reproduction (not distribution) right, but they first have to prove your primary infringement, and not the mere fact that I did the equivalent of leaving my copy of a copyrighted poem lying beside a photocopier.

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    10. Re:Once again a court by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Back in the early days of filesharing, there was some client (BearShare maybe, I forget) that IF your Windows was in an Oriental language, would make the ENTIRE hard drive visible to the world. Since it only affected Oriental (and possibly only Thai) language setups, it's pretty clear it was a bug. -- Should victims of a software bug be held liable for unwitting breaches of the law that are directly caused by said bug??

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    11. Re:Once again a court by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      And in this decision, the Court found that the person providing it isn't doing anything other than Contributory Infringement. Direct infringement is being done by the downloader- which gets the whole picture right for a change.

      Furthermore, the decision indicates that they have to prove that the provider actually DID provide the content to be infringed- with the file sharing programs, that may prove difficult; no logs and you have to be guilty of violating other laws to find out that they did provide content to others.

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    12. Re:Once again a court by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Well, as a Lawyer, you have to agree that "picky, picky..." is very important to how the case goes down in the first place... >;-)

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    13. Re:Once again a court by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Yes but the RIAA lawyers can't be bothered with little details like that. Spoilsport.

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    14. Re:Once again a court by mstahl · · Score: 1

      I use a variety of different codecs and bandwidths for my own musical collection, depending on whether it was ripped from CDs or recorded off vinyl, and also depending on the amount of quality I require. I'm not going to rip crappy pop music at the same resolution at which my 78rpm classical music records are ripped.

      As for the comment files... I, uhhh, wrote those?

    15. Re:Once again a court by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Heh... I know a few law firms like that. Would rather I'd not have come to know of them, but it can't be avoided now. As for the rest...

      As a non-Lawyer, based on what I read from the decision, I'd gather they don't have those niggling little details sufficient to prove contributory- or at least they don't have an easy, slam-dunk case on that either like they thought they had going into this.

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    16. Re:Once again a court by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Yeah they have a problem here. The main problem is they have a judge who (a) cares, and (b) reads. That's a deadly combination for the RIAA's litigation meat grinder.

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  11. Not evisceration, but a major blow by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it eviscerates the RIAA's claims, but it's certainly a major blow to their theories. As I read it, the judge is saying that merely making them available isn't automatically infringement. This makes sense if you think of an analogy. If I put a book down on the table on my front porch while I go inside to get a drink, and someone comes along and takes it, I surely made it available but nobody in their right mind would claim I intended to distribute it to the thief. Compare that to the case where I put a whole bunch of books on a table out by the sidewalk with a sign "Free books, take as many as you want.". I suspect the judge here is ruling along similar lines: it's not sufficient for the RIAA to claim that the files were merely available, they have to claim the files were (reasonably) knowingly made available for the purposes of infringing distribution. OTOH, if the files were available to the public, but were put where they were for a non-infringing purpose and the defendant wouldn't reasonably (given their knowledge) expect the files to be open for the taking by anyone else, then the RIAA's claim fails. Which to me sounds reasonable, so seems more reasonable than either of the extreme positions take by the RIAA or the P2P advocates.

    1. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by tattood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Regarding your analogy, that does not apply to P2P. When you load a P2P client on your computer, the 2 purposes of the software are to download software from other people running similar software, and to then upload those files to other people running the similar software. So essentially running P2P is like saying "Free music, take as many as you want". Can you give an example of "making music files available" without expecting them to be distributed?

      Now, I have not RTF 17-page paper, so this may not be related to this case...

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    2. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      Fairly easy: a typical consumer wants to share their own files between their own computers. KaZaa's publicized as an easy way to get and share files, so they have their local geek set them up with it. Said geek does, but doesn't disable external access and doesn't clue them in to all the technicalities. Consumer has no clue, since it's doing what he asked for it to do.

      Analogous to the situation where I leave my books out on the porch table and the local kids keep coming in while I'm not there and stealing copies (imagine for a moment that it's as easy to copy a physical book as it is to copy a computer file). I never considered that, since I've got a locked gate. My friend who brought over the chairs and table didn't bother to tell me that he had to unlock the gate to get them in and never bothered locking it again afterwards, and since I don't use that gate I never thought to check it. And since making copies doesn't leave me wondering where my books are, I've no clue copies are going walkabout on me. I'm certainly making the books available, if I hadn't left them outside the kids couldn't have made their copies. But by the same token I'm hardly intending to distribute those copies. I own my copies, I've got them on the porch for my own use that's perfectly legitimate, and I've no reasonable expectation that people will be breaking into my yard.

    3. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, only non-geeks can 'legally' use P2P? :(

    4. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Compare that to the case where I put a whole bunch of books on a table out by the sidewalk with a sign "Free books, take as many as you want." Even that would be legal according to the doctrine of first sale. You have the right to dispose of your legally acquired legal copy (i.e. your property) as you wish, including giving it away. However, it would probably not be lawful if you ran off Xerox copies of the books and put the copies on the table with a "free books, take as many as you want" sign. Copyright law covers the right to make and distribute copies, but it does not control what you may or may not do with your legally acquired legal copy once it is in your possession.
    5. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by jd · · Score: 1
      Ok, a few ways:

      1. You have your music on a central server at a fixed location, and you want to have files copied opportunistically onto your laptop via a wireless connection, regardless of where you happen to be in the world. You've set up bittorrent to handle the transfers. You can't use tcpwrappers or something similar, as your laptop's IP address will frequently change, since it's opportunistic, you won't be watching to enter in any passwords, so you leave the bittorrent system on the server open but unadvertised and rely on obscurity.
      2. You have your music on a disk shared via a wide-area networked filesystem and again have a mobile laptop and want to do opportunistic copying. Much the same situation as above.
      3. You have the most secure setup in the world between the server and laptop, but you forgot to set your laptop's bittorrent client to not also act as a server.
      4. You are running an MP3 verification service. Your server has the original raw files, from which it generates MP3s at different compression levels, which it then generates cryptographic hashes and statistics for. Users can obtain, via bittorrent or some other P2P software, the data files and use them to examine any MP3 they get from their CD to see if the rip was successful and at the quality they want. However, your music is in the same directory as the data, so users can obtain the music as well. An easy thing to miss, but you've made all you music available via P2P, without any intent for anyone to copy it.

      These aren't great examples, they're only intended to be good enough to give an idea that there could be cases where availability and intent are not the least bit the same.

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    6. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Whatsthiswhatsthis · · Score: 1

      But see moral rights.

    7. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who promotes his own band solely online, and (as well as the regular Myspace and streaming audio from his page) he deliberately runs multiple filesharing clients, sharing only his own music. As an unsigned, self promoting artist who makes more money from live shows than album sales, that's his legal right.

      While this has nothing to do with the lack of expectation to distribute (since that's actually what he's hoping for.. the extra promotion does help, or so he says) it seems that the common perception is that non-authorized music is inevitably the only stuff that is shared, and that's not the case.

      tl;dr The RIAA don't make or own all the music in the world, and shouldn't litigate as if they do.

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    8. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't really care if the thief took it if it didn't deprive me of my copy.

    9. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      But see moral rights. Feh. "Moral Rights" is an intentionally loaded phrase that has little to do with morals, and nothing to do with rights. It's an attempt to give undue gravity to what is a purely pragmatic bargain struck between the public (through its proxy, government) and content creators in order to maximize the enrichment of the public domain.
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    10. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No your assumption is flawed, (so is the comparison to giving away books, but whatever:P)

      I can stand on the street corner with a sign that says 'Free Heroin' I can even have the drugs on me, but there is no distribution until I actually give out some of those bad boys. The cops can nab me for possession, but if they want the distribution conviction I need to pass some out first.

      This guys defence is that kazaa is sharing stuff he didn't know it was sharing, hes saying 'if there was any distribution, it wasen't me, kazaa did it.' Its not about willfull distribution or not, hes saying 'I didn't do it, they did'. This is different from simple ignorance.

      Now theres a whole class of 'attempted' and 'conspiracy to commit' crimes, however to date 'conspiracy to commit copyright infringement' is not one of them.

      Remember the bar is never at could have committed a crime, or even likely committed a crime. Its DID commit the crime.

      In simpler terms the RIAA has so far only proven opportunity, nothing else.

    11. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by ricree · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In this case, the defendant claimed that he was using Kazaa to legally distribute non music files, and that due to some unknown cause the music became available. Perhaps not the most likely scenario in the world, but this was a ruling on a motion by the RIAA for summary judgment. In order for the motion to be granted, the RIAA has to show that they would win the case even if all allegations in dispute were interpreted in the light most favorable to the defendant. Since that was not the case here, the motion was denied.
      The big news, however, was that the judge utterly rejected the RIAA's claim that merely making the files available online was in and of itself infringement. In other words, the RIAA must show that there is a good chance an actual transfer did take place.

    12. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "I suspect the judge here is ruling along similar lines: it's not sufficient for the RIAA to claim that the files were merely available, they have to claim the files were (reasonably) knowingly made available for the purposes of infringing distribution."

      No, the judge said that a "distribution" had to ACTUALLY occur. That means that they would need to identify the receiving parties, and prove that the transaction took place. Since MediaSentry doesn't do that (yet), they have no evidence that and actual distribution took place.

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    13. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Maybe closer would be:

      I have pot growing in my front yard.
      You come along and pick some of my pot.
      I am then arrested for selling pot, even tho you stole my pot and I didn't sell you anything.

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    14. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      A better one:
      You act as a Linux/OpenOffice seed, running a program like Azureus. You share your computer with your kids, who have their own account. However, in order to keep your seeds running all the time, you modify the settings so that all accounts use the same torrent settings.

      One day, while your kids are logged in and have some friends over, one of their friends decides they want to share a certain song with your child, but they find they don't currently have it on their iPod. So, they fire up Firefox, google for the song name, click Download, and it loads into Azureus, along with 500 other songs that were in the same torrent. They grab the song, play it for your child, who then decides to buy a copy for their own use off of iTunes using a gift card you gave them.

      Meanwhile, those 500 songs are still being shared, and you don't notice due to the fact that you never actually monitor your seeds except when a new version comes out. The network traffic looks fine as you're expecting people to be torrenting from your computer. The difference in free disk space is negligible.

      This is a pretty likely scenario. In this case, whose fault is it that the music has been made available?

      Of course, ignorance is no defense, and it could be argued that these songs are being distributed through ignorance -- meaning that you as the computer owner AND your child as the owner of the account AND their friend as the person who initiated the transfer are ALL culpable.

    15. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by mstahl · · Score: 1

      Can you give an example of "making music files available" without expecting them to be distributed?

      Barry Manilow MP3s.

    16. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Smordnys+s'regrepsA · · Score: 1

      Next time use Poppies. It's topical, and more accurate since there is a legal use for poppies.

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    17. Re:Not evisceration, but a major blow by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Heh heh, true enough...

      Okay... so I have Oriental poppies blooming in my yard. You come along and steal them, refine them into heroin, and sell it. Then *I* get busted for "making available".

      Better? :)

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  12. Make the RIAA Download/Upload by monxrtr · · Score: 3, Interesting


    The War will be won if the RIAA is forced to download/upload to gather evidence, and really there is no evidence whatsoever from file titles; that could reasonably be personal commentary or a fair use parody. The defendant should not be *presumed* guilty, the RIAA should *prove* infringement. File titles are 0% evidence, not even 1% "circumstantial". We don't really know, since no song has ever been played in any Court (and that alone will be worth millions in PR for the cause).

    Keep a sharp eye on those RIAA IP addresses.

    Screenshots of white powder is 0% evidence of cocaine. Writing $100 is 0% evidence of counterfeiting a one hundred dollar bill. And britneyspearstoxic.mp3 is 0% evidence of copyright infringement.

    And imo, those paid settlements are RICO violations for precisely the reason that the RIAA has been on a 0% evidence extortion witch hunt.

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    1. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And britneyspearstoxic.mp3 is 0% evidence of copyright infringement.

      No, its just 100% evidence of bad taste.

    2. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by s0litaire · · Score: 2, Funny

      but britneyspearstoxic.mp3 is 100% evident of bad musical taste. :D:D that alone deserves a lawsuit or 2 ;) lol

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    3. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by Enleth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That gave me an idea... What if someone recorded a few minutes of belching and farting, named it after some song RIAA seeks, clipped it to the lenght and packed with some white noise in the background so that the file size roughly matched and put it up on BT? You see, P2P clients publish a checksum of every file and every expert appointed by the court will admit that an MD5 or SHA checksum is a sufficient proof of the file spotted by RIAA being the same as the file promptly presented to the court by the defendant, with a claim of copyright over it as well (that is, if a few minutes of belching and farting can be deemed creative to be copyrighted at all). Wouldn't that show quite well, how baseless RIAA's "evidence" is?

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    4. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The War will be won if the RIAA is forced to download/upload to gather evidence, and really there is no evidence whatsoever from file titles; that could reasonably be personal commentary or a fair use parody.
      Time to copy and rename those Linux distribution ISOs to an appropriate location, particularly if your using Comcast, let the RIAA have fun with the resets. Of course some might come up with some more appropriate packages for them,,,wonder what OS the RIAA uses?
    5. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good idea, but here's a nifty expansion on that - Put a message up that says "RIAA is not licensed to download these files, all others are given permission." - Then, because you have recorded your own composition (which is copyrightable), file a countersuit against the RIAA seeking statutory damages for violation of YOUR COPYRIGHT when they downloaded the file as a result of their "investigation."

    6. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by Stanislav_J · · Score: 1

      What if someone recorded a few minutes of belching and farting, named it after some song RIAA seeks, clipped it to the lenght and packed with some white noise in the background so that the file size roughly matched and put it up on BT? You see, P2P clients publish a checksum of every file and every expert appointed by the court will admit that an MD5 or SHA checksum is a sufficient proof of the file spotted by RIAA being the same as the file promptly presented to the court by the defendant, with a claim of copyright over it as well (that is, if a few minutes of belching and farting can be deemed creative to be copyrighted at all). Wouldn't that show quite well, how baseless RIAA's "evidence" is?

      At the very least, I'd like to be a fly on the wall when the file is played in court.....
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    7. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by IIH · · Score: 1
      Wouldn't that show quite well, how baseless RIAA's "evidence" is?

      Possibly. But you'd first have to find someone who's willing to put that file up, *and* pay up to defend the case, *and* risk that a judge/jury would be convinced of the above. Any volenteers?

      You have to consider, which would people think more likely - that someone created a belch/fart single, made it the same size and name of a popular song, and distributed it, *or* someone who was caught infringing copyright created a file to match its characteristics in order to get off on a technicality.

      Or, in an more obscure idea, what's to stop a person making different belching/farting sound that matches the md5/sha/length/etc/etc of a popular track, non of which infringe individually, but if you combine them all, you can get the original infringing track back?

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    8. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by Enleth · · Score: 1

      You have to consider, which would people think more likely - that someone created a belch/fart single, made it the same size and name of a popular song, and distributed it, *or* someone who was caught infringing copyright created a file to match its characteristics in order to get off on a technicality.

      Create a valid MP3 file with 5 minutes of belching that matches this MD5 signature:
      5f2380575360148589ac86572e4ca36a - I'll be really impressed, as will be every cryptography expert. I don't say it's impossible, but unless RIAA ends up suing Donald Knuth, this scenario is not very likely.
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    9. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by menace3society · · Score: 1

      Presumably (and this is presuming as a legal layman), making available for free, unconditional, and anonymous redistribution that is indefinite in scope constitutes implicit consent to said redistribution.

    10. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by mopower70 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That gave me an idea... What if someone recorded a few minutes of belching and farting, named it after some song RIAA seeks You've just describe "American Idol."
    11. Re:Make the RIAA Download/Upload by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      It IS possible to create two files with the same MD5 sig however... someone could easily create an infringing song and the garbage track with matching sigs and release both. There would be no way to know which was which... and more than that, they could become comingled in bittorrent so you'd have to grab it multiple times and merge them to recreate either of the originals.

  13. The Wild, Wild West by quantum+kev · · Score: 1

    Let's hear it for all of us in good ol' AZ... And everyone thinks we're just a bunch of outlaws!

    1. Re:The Wild, Wild West by toiletsalmon · · Score: 1

      No, we just thought you didn't really like Black People.

      Go Arizona! ;)

    2. Re:The Wild, Wild West by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Let's hear it for all of us in good ol' AZ... And everyone thinks we're just a bunch of outlaws! Arizona had a real good day. Thank you, Phoenix.
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    3. Re:The Wild, Wild West by PRMan · · Score: 1

      No, we thought you gave your outlaws green bologna and pink underwear.

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  14. Maybe this should apply to other laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm..

    So this judge rules that the interpretation of "distribution" requires ACTUAL distribution.

    Perhaps those people picked up for "distribution" of drugs for having 2 ounces on them could call up this judge and ask what's up.

    Perhaps those people picked up for "distribution" of child pornography could call up this judge for having been tossed in jail for "distributing" it by viewing it in a digital medium (and therefore "reproducing" it in memory when viewing).

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

    I hate arbitrary crap like that. Horrah for this judge and his sanity.

    1. Re:Maybe this should apply to other laws by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      The key phrase here is "intent to distribute"...

      ITD been made illegal for kiddy porn and drugs. Check your local statutes for details, as your area may have "blue laws" that cover more than you expect...

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    2. Re:Maybe this should apply to other laws by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Expect "intent to distribute copyrighted files" to become illegal any day now.

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    3. Re:Maybe this should apply to other laws by rawr1 · · Score: 1

      Copyrighted files are not banned "illegal" things. Perhaps you mean "intent to illegally distribute" to become illegal? So like drugs, if you have say more than 4 or 5 copyrighted files you are guilty of "intent to illegally distribute"? And that would apply to all files on a computer connected to the internet? Lol. Once again, that would be trillions of dollars of legal liability and total legal systemic meltdown.

    4. Re:Maybe this should apply to other laws by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      So like drugs, if you have say more than 4 or 5 copyrighted files you are guilty of "intent to illegally distribute"?

      Sure, they can technically pop you for sharing just one file, and even for having it without good reason...

      And that would apply to all files on a computer connected to the internet?

      Now you're just trying to blow smoke up our rears. You know darn well that piracy cases don't sue for EVERY file on the disk, but then again, just PART of an OS install directory won't give you an OS. Part of a CD can get you a song or three.

      In short, the songs are individually wrapped, while an OS comes in family pack only {in most cases}.

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  15. Out of touch. by Narpak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I believe that this is just another sign that the RIAA's backers is still trying to maintain a business model that is clearly failing in the face of modern technological, and perhaps social, realities. We can debate back and forth about technicalities in the law, but what it really comes down to that distributing music the way it has been done for so long is no longer viable. People want another system; a better system. Of course I am no expert, I offer no alternative.. But I do believe another system could be created, (or perhaps is already being created in many minor ways) that could benefit musicians, consumers and those that are needed in between.

    At least I think that serious consideration upon that issue should be made, and I am sad to say, the current establishment seem reluctant to do it. However, sooner or later, I am sure, a new way will emerge. People want to make music, and people want to listen, it is not a very difficult concept underneath it all. What is needed is something that is viable, acceptable and fair to all parts involved.

    1. Re:Out of touch. by morcego · · Score: 1

      Yes, we are sick of the current system. I for one didn't buy a CD for about 8 years, maybe more:

      - I'm sick of paying for a media that is damaged so easily (tapes were much more resistant)
      - I'm sick of paying for a 15 "musics" CDs just because of 1 music
      - I'm sick of have to carry 100 CDs in my car

      and the list goes on and on.

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    2. Re:Out of touch. by Narpak · · Score: 1

      I guess some independently run online database could be made where every piece of music you buy is registered; so you can download a new copy whenever you want, or need one. However, I do not feel it is right to keep such registers as they could far too easily be abused by persons or entities with malicious intent.

      Whatever is to be done I am sure that a total re-evaluation of the rules, regulations and concepts that form the basis of the current music industry is necessary. The technological advances of the last years and decades have moved us into territory not foreseen when many of the laws in effect where drafted.

    3. Re:Out of touch. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      They've done this a few times now with various content (Divx, Fairplay, etc.) -- and every time the company eventually takes down the central registry.

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    4. Re:Out of touch. by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      distributing music the way it has been done for so long is no longer viable

      It could be if the RIAA labels weren't run by stupid selfishness. There is no reason why a CD should cost as much as the labels charge; the cost of recording and stamping CDs has plummeted deeply since the advent of the CD, yet the price hasn't come down at all.

      Five dollar Metallica CDs would sell like hotcakes, and there would be profits for all involved. The labels' greed and stupidity are the only things killing their industry.

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  16. Re:He got by with a little help from his friends.. by amccaf1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess that you could say that "he got by with a little help from his friends".

    That Billy Shears was a rockin' dude.


    What would you do,
    If the labels said they'd sue,
    Would you freak out and pay them their fee?

    Send me a judge,
    And he'll interpret the law,
    And he won't put you under lock and key.

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  17. Illegal to make mp3s from cds? by Prikolist · · Score: 1

    Are you kidding me, illegal to make mp3 from a CD? Then why would I ever get a CD in the first place, the RIAA wants way too much and I'm happy that finally someone put them in their place.

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  18. I'd say the opposite is true by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    However, looking at the history of the RIAA's lobbying efforts, it's extremely likely that we'll soon be seeing a law that criminalizes making copyrighted files available.

    The RIAA has been going after consumers for many years now, and they've been almost completely unsuccessful in their efforts. They've also been pushing for years to get Congress to let the RIAA call the shots on P2P, again without success.

    Big Media has been successful in getting copyright's duration extended to infinity and beyond, but they have not been able to get Congress to go nearly as far beyond that as they'd like.

    Basically Congress has said it's fine for the RIAA to go after consumers, but as soon as they start making life difficult for Internet content providers, they're not going to side with the RIAA. It's obvious that the music industry is the past and the Internet industry is the present, and Congress knows this.

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  19. Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by nixNscratches · · Score: 5, Informative

    While this does weaken the RIAA's case, they still have a decent shot at conviction. All that was denied here was a shot at summary judgement. At issue here is the idea that making a copy of a protected work available is not the same as copying, but may leave the defendant open to contributory liability.

    Howell contends he never intended to share, nor authorized KaZaa to share his music files and it may not be possible for the RIAA to prove otherwise.

    For what it's worth, he also poked holes in EFF's argument that Media Sentry - as an agent of the RIAA, cannot infringe on their own copyright. He argues that the RIAA / et all never intended to license Media Sentry to authorize distribution or reproduction and therefore the 12 copies Media Sentry downloaded stand up as "unauthorized" copies of the works. The issue remains open as to whether Howell can be held liable for these copies.

    1. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All that was denied here was a shot at summary judgement. Yes the case will turn on its particular facts. But at least we can take comfort that the correct legal standards will be applied in determining those facts.

      By the way, one of the interesting things about this case: it will NOT be a jury trial. Mr. Howell never demanded a jury trial. Judge Wake, not a jury, will be the trier of the facts.
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    2. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, one of the interesting things about this case: it will NOT be a jury trial. Mr. Howell never demanded a jury trial. Judge Wake, not a jury, will be the trier of the facts.
      Not only interesting but informative as well. It also brings up new questions. It is a shame in a way that no jury trial was asked for as it would have been great if this judge also shoot down "suggested jury instructions" from the RIAA lawyers like were presented and used in the Thomas case. This decision alone is of course a rejection of the key element of those instructions and hopefully will be cited by Thomas's lawyer and/or amicus curiae in the appeal.
    3. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He argues that the RIAA / et all never intended to license Media Sentry to authorize distribution or reproduction and therefore the 12 copies Media Sentry downloaded stand up as "unauthorized" copies of the works. The issue remains open as to whether Howell can be held liable for these copies. Are you 100% sure the RIAA / Media Sentry downloaded the files and didn't just take screenshots of file titles? If the RIAA / Media Sentry have indeed been downloading files there might be billions of dollars of copyright infringement liability at those IP addresses for all the files downloaded which weren't the copyrights of the RIAA.
    4. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by burgundysizzle · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, he also poked holes in EFF's argument that Media Sentry - as an agent of the RIAA, cannot infringe on their own copyright. He argues that the RIAA / et all never intended to license Media Sentry to authorize distribution or reproduction and therefore the 12 copies Media Sentry downloaded stand up as "unauthorized" copies of the works. The issue remains open as to whether Howell can be held liable for these copies.

      Does this mean it's possible for the current defendant to ask for MediaSentry to be added as a co-defendant? Or, does that require permission from the RIAA (or just the judge) to do that? After all MediaSentry did make unauthorised copies (by their own admission).

    5. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Isn't MediaSentry a contractor with permission to make copies?

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    6. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      By the way, one of the interesting things about this case: it will NOT be a jury trial. Mr. Howell never demanded a jury trial. Judge Wake, not a jury, will be the trier of the facts. I can't remember the exact case right now, but wasn't there one recently where someone did demand a jury trial and lost rather heavily?

      With that in mind, I think I'd be more interested in speaking to a judge than a jury.
    7. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to your opinion on whether judge or jury trial is more to the defendant's benefit in these cases?

      A lawyer/judge of my acquaintance once advised me that in cases where the average man knows little or nothing about the subject the case addresses, you're better off to only have to convince one ignorant person (the judge) rather than having to convince 12 ignorant persons (the jury).

      But I'm not sure how valid that is for the RIAA cases.

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    8. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to your opinion on whether judge or jury trial is more to the defendant's benefit in these cases? A lawyer/judge of my acquaintance once advised me that in cases where the average man knows little or nothing about the subject the case addresses, you're better off to only have to convince one ignorant person (the judge) rather than having to convince 12 ignorant persons (the jury). But I'm not sure how valid that is for the RIAA cases. I can't answer that question in the abstract. It would depend on the particular case. Usually such a decision is for the client. However, it's always a good idea to formally demand a jury from the outset, because otherwise the jury trial right is usually deemed waived.
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    9. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Ah, that's a good point -- since you can always decide against a jury trial later on, if that seems the better course.

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    10. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Just being a contractor doesn't mean you get to make copies. The janitor can't make copies. Media Sentry wasn't contracted to make copies and no provisions for making them were included. It was contracted to find people making copies. They have as much right to make copies as the people emptying the waste baskets do. Whether it matters in an unrelated case is something I can't speak to.

    11. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      All that was denied here was a shot at summary judgement. Yes the case will turn on its particular facts. But at least we can take comfort that the correct legal standards will be applied in determining those facts. And THIS is why the RIAA has lost... they didn't lose the case, which can be tried in a fair manner and penalties awarded bast on the Judge's findings. What they lost was the ability to use a shotgun approach to finding infringers... this now increases the odds that each lawsuit they bring will result in a protracted trial instead of a quick settlement. The RIAA does NOT want this, and likely can't afford to support such a scheme for very long.

      The problem so far is that people haven't felt that their case would be tried on its own merit -- instead the case would be tried based on the RIAA's own rules of guilt, which are often inaccurate. Having summary judgement denied in this case means that other cases in Arizona will likely have to go to court when previously they would have ended in a settlement.
    12. Re:Not Evisceration, just careful consideration. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      And THIS is why the RIAA has lost... they didn't lose the case, which can be tried in a fair manner and penalties awarded bast on the Judge's findings. What they lost was the ability to use a shotgun approach to finding infringers... this now increases the odds that each lawsuit they bring will result in a protracted trial instead of a quick settlement. The RIAA does NOT want this, and likely can't afford to support such a scheme for very long. The problem so far is that people haven't felt that their case would be tried on its own merit -- instead the case would be tried based on the RIAA's own rules of guilt, which are often inaccurate. Having summary judgement denied in this case means that other cases in Arizona will likely have to go to court when previously they would have ended in a settlement. Maybe that's why they have their flacks are out there working overtime attacking Judge Wake's decision.
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  20. Awesome! by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 1

    Totally eviscerated! Radical! To the Max!

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  21. Monitoring the network. by iiiears · · Score: 1

    Did this also mean that RIAA would require means to monitor/intercept traffic to prove a transfer has teken place?

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    1. Re:Monitoring the network. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not a spy agency, they are not monitoring internet traffic for "infringement"

      AFAIK They are basing their "evidence" of infringement off of people either seeding the infringing content or downloading content the RIAA associates have seeded themselves, and using a a modified BitTorrent client to log IPs.

      This aint rocket science for anyone with basic programming skills.

  22. RIAA = Warner Universal Sony EMI (WUSsiE) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    please properly expand out RIAA so that we can expose the true perpetrators.

    1. Re:RIAA = Warner Universal Sony EMI (WUSsiE) by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Why don't you do it yourself instead of making extra work for others? Look at the court papers, jot down the names of the plaintiff record companies, and list them here.

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    2. Re:RIAA = Warner Universal Sony EMI (WUSsiE) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Err. Happen to look at the subject line Ray? Attention to detail is essential when chastising.

    3. Re:RIAA = Warner Universal Sony EMI (WUSsiE) by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Err. Happen to look at the subject line Ray? Attention to detail is essential when chastising. Sorry 'bout that. Thanks for listing the culprits. I just don't have time. (I like your acronym too. Almost as good as kdawson's note "from the schmaking-available dept.")
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    4. Re:RIAA = Warner Universal Sony EMI (WUSsiE) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIAA = Racketeering Industry Association of America

      The recording industry aint what it used to be!

  23. Not copyright infringement... by BUL2294 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While IANAL, if you read the EFF brief & the judgement in depth, an interesting defense is being promulgated... Even if the defendants specifically allowed MediaSentry to download these files, as authorized agents of the copyright holders, no copyright infringement actually took place!!! There's case law that says that a copyright holder (or their agent) cannot infringe on their own copyright... Hence the new, stupid, "making available" claim...

    What does that mean? Assuming this argument is valid (which I can't see how it couldn't be), the plaintiffs would have to go back to square one and find someone else on Kazaa who downloaded specific files from the defendants--specifically infringing on copyright law. And for anyone who has used P2P before, how often do you know (or remember) who you're downloading from? Personally, I think that borders on impossible to prove--unless Kazaa keeps some sort of detailed log data file that MediaSentry would have to gain access to...

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    1. Re:Not copyright infringement... by Ravensfire · · Score: 2, Informative

      While IANAL, if you read the EFF brief & the judgement in depth, an interesting defense is being promulgated... Even if the defendants specifically allowed MediaSentry to download these files, as authorized agents of the copyright holders, no copyright infringement actually took place!!! There's case law that says that a copyright holder (or their agent) cannot infringe on their own copyright... Hence the new, stupid, "making available" claim...

      What does that mean? Assuming this argument is valid (which I can't see how it couldn't be), the plaintiffs would have to go back to square one and find someone else on Kazaa who downloaded specific files from the defendants--specifically infringing on copyright law. And for anyone who has used P2P before, how often do you know (or remember) who you're downloading from? Personally, I think that borders on impossible to prove--unless Kazaa keeps some sort of detailed log data file that MediaSentry would have to gain access to...


      The judge threw that argument out the window.

      From the ruling "Amicus curiae, Electronic Frontier Foundation ("EFF"), responds that a copyright owner cannot infringe its own copyright, so its agent also cannot infringe the copyright owner's rights when acting on the owner's behalf. But the recording companies obviously did not intend to license MediaSentry to authorize distribution or to reproduce copies of their works. Rather, "the investigator's assignment was part of [the recording companies'] attempt to stop [Howell's] infringement," and therefore the 12 copies obtained by MediaSentry are unauthorized. "

      -- Ravensfire

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    2. Re:Not copyright infringement... by the_leander · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, so MediaSentry aren't allowed to download the files because they're not authorised to do so. Fine.

      Where was that evidence?

      Seems to me that no matter which way the RIAA go RE mediasentry, their case is hosed...

      Either they can't get the files, or it's a completely legal transaction. Superb!

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    3. Re:Not copyright infringement... by Aire+Libre · · Score: 1

      I think you still miss the main point. Even if they found someone downloading, the fact that someone copies my copy cannot EVER infringe the exclusive right of distribution. In fact, if someone copies my copy, it is the person who does the copying (downloading) who may be the infringer. The judge was saying that, at best, the person who lets someone copy their copy may be secondarily liable as a contributory infringer -- but of the exclusive right of reproduction, not distribution. Each right is separate, and only infringement of the distribution right was in issue here.

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    4. Re:Not copyright infringement... by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      Not really. The fact that MediaSentry was authorized to make the downloads doesn't retroactively grant the plaintiff authorization to make the files available for download. And the case is against the plaintiff, not MediaSentry, so it's the plaintiff's authorization and not MediaSentry's that's at issue. Plaintiff might be able to win if he can show that he knew it was MediaSentry doing the download and had in his hands legally-admissable evidence that MediaSentry was authorized to download the songs before allowing them to be downloaded from his machine, but it's unlikely plaintiff will be able to manage to show that.

  24. a major blow to RIAA tyranny by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    Sheer genius, a major blow to RIAA tyranny. The judge ruled that an actual infringement needed to take place...

  25. Two sides of the same coin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Not Evisceration, just careful consideration.

    But careful consideration is the sort of thing that would totally eviscerate their case. :)

    As to Mr. Beckerman's mention that this won't be a jury trial, I honestly think that's a good thing. The important parts here are matters of law, not fact, and a judge is better equipped to handle those. Were I a defendant, I know that I would not opt for a jury trial after seeing the other lawsuits play out. The 'never used the internet' juror may be unique, but I've taught computer classes, and there are more of them than one might imagine even still.

    1. Re:Two sides of the same coin. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      Were I a defendant, I know that I would not opt for a jury trial after seeing the other lawsuits play out. There's only been one trial.
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  26. Re:a major blow to RIAA tyranny by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

    Sheer genius, a major blow to RIAA tyranny. The judge ruled that an actual infringement needed to take place... Judges just following the law. That's all it will take to shut the RIAA's beserk campaign down.
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  27. Re:He got by with a little help from his friends.. by jd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Needs to be lock'n'key, or there are too many syllables in the last line.

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  28. Law clerk by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just to let you know a bit more about how the courts work--
    More than likely this opinion was written by a "judicial law clerk" who graduated from law school last June (likely toward the top of his class). Judges vary widely, some write their own opinions, some collaborate with their law clerks, and some let their clerks write the memos, glance through them and mail it out. Most judges fall somewhere between the last two. The prior decision (today's decision was a reconsideration of an earlier decision in the RIAA's favor) was dated last August, which means it is very possible it was written by last year's law clerk (once again, these things vary, but most clerkships are one year long and start sometime between Late July and early September.
    Just thought I'd let you think about that.

  29. Re:He got by with a little help from his friends.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, I agree that it would sound better, but the number of syllables is the same:

    lock|and|key (3)
    lock|n|key (3)

    In the second instance, the most common pronunciation would probably render "lock'n" phonetically the same as "locken", which is a double-syllable phonism whereas "lock-and" is two single-syllable words. Therefore the syllable count remains the same (3) in either case.

    -AC

  30. He shoots, He scores! by Greymoon · · Score: 0

    Foot meet Bullet.

  31. Good for Arizona by Monsterdog · · Score: 1

    The question I have is why the RIAA dropped cases against a bunch of UofA students recently: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/byauthor/235178

    1. Re:Good for Arizona by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      The question I have is why the RIAA dropped cases against a bunch of UofA students recently That was misunderstood by the press. The RIAA always drops the John Doe case after it gets the subpoena response. Then it goes after the people individually... divide and conquer.
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    2. Re:Good for Arizona by Monsterdog · · Score: 1

      Aha. I was afraid that was the situation. I guess Josh Broedsky needs to get a bit of an update.

  32. what bad English by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    "commentator" is no more a word than "orientate"

    the word is commentor.

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    1. Re:what bad English by rfunches · · Score: 1

      "Commentator" (in the submitter's context) refers to the author of the article at p2pnews making a comment on the ruling.

      Definition of "commentator" as found by Google

      Definition of "commentor" as found by Google

      "Commentator" == Princeton definition

      "Commentor" == not a word (also consulted OED, no hits)

    2. Re:what bad English by PHPfanboy · · Score: 1

      "commentator" is no more a word than "orientate" the word is commentor. I *think* you meant: "Commentator" is no more a word than "orientate" is. The correct word is "commentor". :-P
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    3. Re:what bad English by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      commentator /kmntetr/ [kom-uhn-tey-ter]

      -noun

      1.a person who discusses news, sports events, weather, or the like, as on television or radio.

      2. a person who makes commentaries.

      [Origin: 1350-1400 Middle English. interpreter, equiv. to comment to interpret (Latin: to think about, prepare, discuss, write, perh. freq. of commin; to devise; see comment) + L -tor -tor]

      --Related forms

      commentatorial [kuh-men-tuh-tawr-ee-uhl, -tohr-], adjective

      commentatorially, adverb

      Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

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    4. Re:what bad English by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      When ain't the slashdot commentators gonna never learn? Ewe muss bee knew hear.

      cul8r dood.

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    5. Re:what bad English by mopower70 · · Score: 1

      Troll?

      commentator: Origin: 1350 \- 1400; ME LL commentator interpreter, equiv. to commenta(ri) to interpret (L: to think about, prepare, discuss, write, perh. freq. of comminisci to devise; see cmment) + L -tor -tor

      commentor: Origin: /. 2008; word used in place of commentator to exhibit ignorance of the English language; to troll.

    6. Re:what bad English by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

      I think you proved his point :D
  33. Unauthorized != illegal by LionMage · · Score: 2, Informative

    While the RIAA stipulated their assertion that the MP3 files are "unauthorized" copies of the music the defendant purchased on CDs, they never claim these copies are "illegal." It's a very precarious legal tightrope they're walking. If they claim those copies are illegal, that opens up a whole can of worms, and things might not go the way they'd like. So they claim those copies are "unauthorized" -- which is technically true, but doesn't address the issue of whether the defendant needed authorization.

    Whether you need authorization or not depends on whether ripping those CDs into MP3 format is considered "fair use" or not. Although many geeks like to point to the Rio case against Diamond Multimedia as establishing that ripping CDs to space shift is a protected fair use, a careful reading of the decision will show that the judge in that case largely side-stepped the fair use question; rather, the judge focused on how the parts of a computer used to space-shift music were not covered by the Audio Home Recording Act, and therefore not subject to its restrictions. (The judge did say that the Rio was consistent with fair use provisions in copyright law, making an analogy to the Sony Betamax case, but that's as far as it went.) I found a pretty good article here, reprinted from Federal Communications Law Journal. (The relevant section discussing the Rio case starts at the bottom of the first page and continues into page 2 with the following quote: "Because the court had no occasion to look at the Rio case from a fair use perspective, this Note examines the case as one of fair use to reach the same conclusion as the Ninth Circuit.")

    We need more case law to establish this once and for all -- or else we need a piece of legislation that explicitly balances corporate and consumer copyright interests and defines what is considered "fair use."

    Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. I'm merely stating personal observations and opinions.

    1. Re:Unauthorized != illegal by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      They weren't asked whether the copies were "unauthorized", they were asked whether the copies were "unlawful", a question to which they gave a nonresponsive answer.

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  34. IRONY FTW!!! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    It is absolutely awesome that the judge quoted the "Betamax Decision" at the conclusion of his decision! What irony! Score!

  35. AHRA does not apply by LionMage · · Score: 1

    Hold on there, partner... the court in the Diamond Rio case ruled that the components of a computer used in "space shifting" were not subject to the AHRA, nor was the MP3 player in question. So while the AHRA does grant the right to space shift music, it also places burdens upon the manufacturers of devices compliant with that law -- it mandates SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) to limit copying, and it mandates royalties paid by device manufacturers to the recording industry.

    Since a computer's components and the MP3 players used to listen to these music files are not covered by the AHRA, that particular argument doesn't hold water. For more information on what was ruled, see here and here.

    Also, see my other response in this thread -- the RIAA is claiming these MP3s are "unauthorized" and not "illegal." There is a difference, and it would really inform the discussion here better if folks would tune up a bit and read these things carefully. These MP3s are unauthorized in the sense that the defendant didn't explicitly ask for permission from the copyright holder to space shift his music. Whether authorization is required is a separate question, and one that the RIAA lawyers are hoping doesn't get answered in a way they don't like. It's in their best interests to sow confusion here, so they deliberately confuse the issue -- not unlike conflating "copyright infringement" with "theft."

    Standard IANAL disclaimer applies. This is my opinion (backed by some research), not legal advice.

  36. orientate is a word, but... by entropyfoe · · Score: 1

    Orientate is a word, it means to turn towards the east.

    It does not mean as commonly confused with orient, meaning to aligh or get your bearings.
    -Jay

  37. Poll: Who is your favorite judge? by SparkleMotion88 · · Score: 1

    o Judge Ito
    o Judge Seidlin
    o Judge Judy
    o JudgeNeal

  38. Evidence of "distribution" by Paul+Johnson · · Score: 1

    Its good to see the judge question the evidence of identity. However the business about "distribution" is just a sideshow. It matters in these particular cases because the RIAA can't go back in time to collect more evidence. But in future cases they will just make sure they do a sample download. If punitive measures require evidence of 10 downloads, they will do 10 downloads. From their point of view its just another legal hoop to jump through.

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    1. Re:Evidence of "distribution" by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      You didn't read the decision...

      Providing for download doesn't provide any traction for Distribution infringement. You're not distributing.

      According to the decision, you're not even replicating.

      The most the person providing the copy could be held actionable would be contributory infringement- enabling replication or distribution.

      Downloading 10 times won't give them anything to go on there. The Judge clearly stated that they had to actually prove replication occurred by more than just themselves, which sets the bar quite a bit higher than just downloading it a bunch of times, considering the design nature of the system in question.

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    2. Re:Evidence of "distribution" by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      As the other poster pointed out, that would not matter. In fact, Media Sentry *DID* claim to have downloaded samples. You need to read the decision more closely.

      Further, a little room has even been left open to the idea that it was illegal for Media Sentry to do so.

  39. Whew! by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    For a second when I clicked to expand your comment I was sure you'd end up claiming to be a (cut-and-pasted, or perhaps broken-) record store owner...

    I'm right with you. We need to outlaw offering to distribute copyrighted works. That would be an interesting new world!

  40. He could "have an accident" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, sorry, wrong **IA... (AFAIK)