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Interview With Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz
Engadget recently grabbed a few minutes with Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz. They were able to get some great information on the JavaFX Mobile platform as well as Java on the iPhone and how the struggle against Microsoft is going with respect to open source.
First of all, this was on Engadget Mobile, so it's strictly limited to porting Java to portable devices.
That said, here's a typical question:
"Jonathan, we have videotape of you mooning the CEO of Apple and saying "Not until after hell freezes over you SOB." This seems to indicate some difficulties in getting Java on the iPhone."
"Absolutely not! There aren't any technical challenges to porting Java. We can completely get it done man, just as long as Apple doesn't screw around again. There are no technical problems. Technical issues aren't there. Nope. No way."
The sooner someone smashes that pony-tailed freak in, the better.
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This whole first post bashing culture is really getting tiring. It's to the point now where it's not even worth it to get the first post, because regardless of what you say it's just going to get modded to hell by people who really shouldn't have mod points.
Take this guy. He either forgot to hit "post anonymously" or just doesn't care about your crap. Second, he seemed to read the article and have an opinion that had a bit of humor with a biting edge. If you don't agree with it, prove your point instead of bashing his post down. It's really getting sickening when nerds wield their modstick like fucking Darth Maul.
If judge Kimball rules that SCO had no rights to sell sun a license to open source solaris, will Sun go to bat for the Open solaris community or leave them hang under a legal cloud?
Open Solaris may soon be legally encumbered once again, because Sun and Schwartz failed to do due diligence in finding out who really owns unix.
"the Sun software apparently looked eerily like the Apple iPhone's software; in fact, the platform Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz showed off is already being dubbed "jPhone" based on the striking resemblance to Apple's goods.... Scott McNealy alluded to the copying of Apple's modus operandi by wearing a black t-shirt..."
It doesn't surprise me when I see Apple-Sun coherence or imitation. Schwartz's roots are in NeXTStep/Cocoa development. I'm actually surprised there isn't more with Schwartz at the helm.
Tweet, tweet.
If only it would do it more often and without such installation^Wdating issues, and later incompatibility excuses^Werrors.
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I don't know what it is, but Sun seem to want to be Apple for some strange reason.
The parent has a point. Just because Mr Schwarz is a CEO of a household name and just because he's talking about open source doesn't make it a worthy article. It's full of drivel and very boring to read. Our humble down-modded first-poster was trying to save us a bit of time. There is nothing new in this engadget article. Slow news day.. move along!
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Go, federal bread and circuses!
Social security and universal health care for all the slaves!
Bush, this rect^Weconomic stimulus package bites!
How about a return to a pre-income tax America?
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Where's the open source mobile platform that will run on top of third-party hardware?
I think about this every time I look at the OpenMoko and Qtopia stuff. I don't think that producing hardware designs is a bad thing per se, but I don't understand why there hasn't been more effort at rolling out distro for mobiles hobbyists could install on existing phones they might have lying around.
I understand there are Linux-based phones. But think about where FOSS computing might be if Linux and BSD had to wait for custom-designed hardware, or for a manufacturer to build a PC around that product. There'd have been nowhere near the growth.
There needs to be mobile FOSS for more-or-less commodity hardware if there's really going to be a part for it to play in the growth in the mobile market.
Tweet, tweet.
Someone should do something then about those billions of phones that are less powerful than an iPhone and currently run Java then.
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like to say something. I lost my believe in Sun. ;)
Sure, they are the greastest (commercial) supporters of open source. No denying that.
Great, my last OS-Project was a load of bullshit (unless you consider a really simple servlet type server interresting) but well, i do like open source, and try to to it when possible. Yeah just me, and probibly millions or others, well not everybody does the "great" next project. I just hope i am not the only one to believe in the power of individuals.
In case your reading, remove me from any further responinsibilities Sun, my true name is Syren Baran, you should have me in your records
They already have aping apple covered.
They OWN star office & run X windows so aping Xerox PARC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_PARC is well & truly covered.
And they're buying innovation left right & centre.
So it seems as though (beneath it all) they're REALLY aping Microsoft. (^-^)
All they have to do is ape Microsoft some more & enter into a cross-licensing deal with Novell.
Perhaps they are secretly destined to rule the desktop of the 64bit age.
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Sure, they are the greastest (commercial) supporters of open source. No denying that.
There's plenty of denying that.
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There's plenty of denying that.
Sure you can deny the sky is blue if you wanted to as well. However an independent study created for the EU says otherwise. The study also backs up Sun Microsystemsâ(TM) claim to be the biggest donator of open source code. The top ten business contributors were as follows:1 Sun Microsystems 51,372 Person-months 312m euros
2 IBM 14,865 Person-months 90m euros
3 Red Hat 9,748 Person-months 59m euros
4 Silicon Graphics 7,736 Person-months 47m euros
5 SAP 7,493 Person-months 46m euros
6 MySQL 5,747 Person-months 35m euros
7 Netscape 5,249 Person-months 32m euros
8 Ximian 4,985 Person-months 30m euros
9 Realnetworks 4,412 Person-months 27m euros
10 AT&T 4,286 Person-months 26m euros Also from here. "Did you know that Sun contributes more than $200 million per year of intellectual property to the open source movement, in dozens of open source projects? The companyâ(TM)s historical contribution tops $2 billion. WOW!" A list of some of the open source projects Sun contributes to can be found on that link.
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You say that like it's a bad thing... i love a good long slow blowjob!
... wait, what?
That's a valid response to the original post. The analogy I was objecting to wasn't.
:)
Though I do have one objection to Novell's reported announcement:
"We're not interested in suing people over Unix," Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. "We're not even in the Unix business anymore."
Since Linux is UNIX in every sense of the word that remains meaningful, that's hardly true.
It's kind of a real-life example of Russell's Paradox. If they do pursue UNIX copyrights but exclude Linux, they would be keeping a definition of UNIX (albeit one that has never been a particularly useful one) alive... but by abandoning that then only the functional definition of UNIX retains any meaning, and by that definition Linux quacks as loudly as anything else that implements and lives upon the traditional UNIX API...
They don't get the option of not being "in the UNIX business", they just get to pick what kind of business that is.
Anyone have any idea what this guy is talking about?
The irony is Java originated from workong on small hardware devices, and now Sun is scrambling to make it dominant on popular small hardware devices. They've been missing many important junctures along the way since 1995, especially when iPhone or Android can comparatively come in overnight and usurp good portions of the market.
I've been a Sun shareholder for about 7 years now. I hate to admit how much this has cost me, not to mention my retirement funds.
The question I would like to ask CEO executives, is when are they going to stop selling hype and start selling proudcts that sell and make the company some money? As it is now, they only seem to be able to generate hype and and more stock options for executives. Otherwise, I see little reason to expect Sun will exist much longer. After all, any new startup can generate hype, which is very much in oversupply these days.
Frankly, I can't understand why I should continue to hold this worthless stock and my best best for "making" any money seems to be selling the stock (now down 99.9% from where I bought it for a loss so that I can defray other tax liabilities.
Sun stock seems to make the dollar look sound.
Next time you interview the CEO, perhaps you can ask him this question. In the long run, strip away the hype and its the only one that matters for SUN, which appears to be continue to set as I speak.
By the way, the numbers for LOC from the study are from contributions to Debian. Not for all of Sun's OS contributions. So OpenSolaris and OpenJDK etc are not included.
Sun stock seems to make the dollar look sound. Sounds like you bought during the dot com era when Sun's stock price really shot up. Even McNeally was questioning analysts why his company's stock was trading at 10x revenues. You're not going to make your money back. It took a long time for the stock to find it's bottom. The market went crazy with a bunch of companies, Sun included. It's not their fault the stock went up so high. While many of them benefited from this, in the long run I think it really hurt the company. Though it's their own fault they continued to keep splitting the stock.
Past few years though it's been doing pretty well up until the 10/07 and the recent 23% drop. It's been keeping inline with IBM, HPQ, DELL and other stocks in that segment. It's never going to have the type of increase you need to break even.
After a long stint of losses they finally started having consistent profitable quarters. Not sure why, but 1st and 3rd quarters aren't their strongest. This recent downturn might be a good buying opportunity since historically Q4 is usually when their biggest revenue quarter. I'm going by calendar quarters not their FY.
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IBM at least has the decency to do openness, then cut machines out of the HCL. Sun just expects people to play along or be stonewalled.
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