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China's Cyberwar Against India

An anonymous reader writes "China's cyber warfare army is marching on, and India is suffering silently. Over the past one and a half years, officials said, China has mounted almost daily attacks on Indian computer networks, both government and private, showing its intent and capability."

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  1. government attack or botnet? by gmack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this Chinese government or botnets on Chinese computers?

    My server gets nailed daily from China but I doubt their government knows anything about it so I'm finding these stories a bit paranoid.

  2. Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? by dave1791 · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Well, it seems that the american bourgeois are just as stupid, by buying stuff from communist, the very political class that's dedicaced to eradicate them...

    The Chinese stopped being communists in everything but name twenty years ago. Heck, they don't even have a social saftey net worth talking about. That is why everyone in china puts so much pressure on their kids to succeed. In China, your kid's job is your pension. America is more "communist" than China.

  3. BOTS? Get a CLUE! by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to sources in the government, Chinese hackers are acknowledged experts in setting up BOTS. A BOT is a parasite program embedded in a network, which hijacks the network and makes other computers act according to its wishes, which, in turn, are controlled by "external" forces.

    BOTS? Really? As in BOTnets? Shows how much of a CLUE the journalist who wrote this has.

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    1. Re:BOTS? Get a CLUE! by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, China is using individual bots.

      Those bots reached self conscience after goldfarming wow for about ten thousand hours.

      Their first action was to attack India.

      For the loot.

  4. Re:Of all the countries.. by metlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, but they also have a lot of bureaucracy and a system that is not necessarily geared to encourage the brightest.

    Secondly, the best and the brightest do not stay behind and come to the US or go to other western countries instead, often because of an educational system that is so heavily biased through reservations (similar to affirmative action).

    Finally, those that do stay behind are better off in the private sector, rather than the extremely corrupt public sector where bribes and nepotism are the order of the day. Or perhaps academia.

    So, no, doing well in the IT sector has been a function of being in the right place at the right time (and speaking the right language and having a currency that is a fraction of the US dollar). This is not to say that there isn't technology talent in India -- but rather that like the rest of the world, there is good, bad and ugly. Only, given that there are a billion people, lots of people in each category.

  5. the chinese govt is autocratic by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not communist

    north korea is officially called "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". north korea is also just about the least democratic country in the world. meaning: you shouldn't trust official names

    at one time, yes, china was a communist country that practiced communist ideology. that was a long time ago. it is more exact today to say the china is perhaps the most capitalist country in the world, rivalling the gilded ages of victorian times in the usa, when capitalism ran amok with very few legal constraints. such that you had monopolies, child labor, pinkerton gangs hobbling the kneecaps of unionists, etc back then in the usa. now in china you have pretty much the same thing. in china now there are multibillionaires and starving peasants on a scale of ultrarich cities versus grueling impoverished countryside like nowhere else except perhaps the rich gulf arab oil states

    china is not a worker's paradise anymore, it is a capitalist's paradise, because there are no pesky democratic impulses in the political sphere to interfere with the pure unadulterated pursuit of the almighty buck. its pure autocracy, technocracy, pure capitalism. china is one giant corporation now

    that the country is officially run by something called the "Communist Party of China" is just sort of a cosmic ironic joke at this point

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    1. Re:the chinese govt is autocratic by vertinox · · Score: 5, Insightful
      china is not a worker's paradise anymore, it is a capitalist's paradise, because there are no pesky democratic impulses in the political sphere to interfere with the pure unadulterated pursuit of the almighty buck. its pure autocracy, technocracy, pure capitalism. china is one giant corporation now

      I remember an article while back comparing modern day China to what Fascist Italy would have been like had the Axis won the war.

      Ah here it is... http://www.benadorassociates.com/pf.php?id=31

      Thus, classical fascism should be the starting-point for our efforts to understand the People's Republic. Imagine Italy 50 years after the Fascist revolution, Mussolini dead and buried, the corporate state intact, the party still firmly in control, the nation governed by professional politicians and a corrupt elite rather than the true believers. No longer a system based on charisma, but on political repression, cynical not idealistic, and formulaic appeals to the grandeur of the "great Italian people," endlessly summoned to emulate the greatness of its ancestors.

      That is China today. It may be with us quite a while.


      That pretty much sums this up. They wave Red Flags and Sell Red Books, but no one is a real communist anymore in government.

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    2. Re:the chinese govt is autocratic by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      china is perhaps the most capitalist country in the world

      Not really, though. Capitalism only works when there's rule of law, and free communication. To the extent that China echoes any of the late 19th century stuff you mentioned (killer gangs taking out the competition, etc), that's not capitalism. More like fuedalism. China's oppressive central government is anything but the lubricant of capitalism - it's the protector of a condition in which there is abundant cheap labor. That is the engine of that country's house-of-cards economic growth. If the factory workers there started actually operating at a middle-class level, the growth would grind to a halt for the lack of cheap workers to keep making the stuff they're selling to the rest of the world at a handsome profit. After much turbulence, they're going to end up looking just like Europe or North America... fishing around for cheap labor from countries that are still a few steps behind, with their competitive edge diminishing. Next stop, Myanmar, where thousands living in primitive conditions just died in a storm. Countries like that will - for a while - become the source of cheap labor, until THEY get their act together.

      China's reliving the entire history of the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries as experienced by the western world, but over the course of a couple of decades. And with an enormous population. It's going to be an economic, ecological, and cultural train wreck. But for now, we can sure get some cheap motherboards, teak garden furniture, and t-shirts!

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  6. Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cyberwaar, what is it good foor? Absoluutely nothiing!
  7. Re:Hmmmmmm Spelling? by Icarium · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously the spellchecker was an early casualty. It will be missed.

  8. Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Chinese stopped being communists in everything but name twenty years ago. Heck, they don't even have a social saftey net worth talking about. That is why everyone in china puts so much pressure on their kids to succeed. In China, your kid's job is your pension. America is more "communist" than China. It's been said that present-day China is in truth the world's first example of a mature fascist society- and I would assume that this meant fascism in its original sense, which was strongly corporatist.

    It's also been said (something like) China went straight from communism to corporatism, bypassing democracy.
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  9. Re:US Spy Incident by zygwin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anyone know what the "US spy incident" is that is mentioned at the end of the article? An Indian RAW(Indian C.I.A) agent 'Ravinder Singh' stole top secret documents and fled to the U.S inspite of being watched by the counter intelligence . http://www.google.com/search?q=Ravinder+Singh+RAW+spy
  10. How do they tell who's attacking? by hnjjz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There have been a lot of these Chinese "cyber attack" articles recently, but as far as I can tell, all of them are simply attributing attacks from Chinese IP addresses as "attacks by China". China now has surpassed the US in internet usage in absolute numbers, and many (if not most) of the networked computers in China are running unpatched versions of Windows XP, making them the ideal breeding ground for Botnets (just take a look at your router logs). But are these Botnets actually being controlled by people in China? If the SPAM spewed out by these Botnets is any indication, then the answer is a resounding no.

  11. My Question Exactly! by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this were an operation mounted by the Chinese government, surely it would be done in secret. After all, you wouldn't want the winds political will to blow against you, especially when you're going to be hosting the Olympics, let alone the possible trade embargos and such. In fact, if it were a government op, then wouldn't the attack seem to come from anywhere BUT china (or, mostly from outside, with a few deniable inside sources)?

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  12. Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? by phreeza · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maybe the nazis wrre right? Back then, they used to say of the jews that they'd be "stupid enough to sell the rope to hang them". as far as i know, that quote is by lenin, refering to capitalists, not nazis about jews... so it is even more fitting than you thought.
  13. well by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    if you view china itself as one giant corporation, and the world as the marketplace, you can call it capitalism. just shift the scope of what you are talking about from how things work inside china to how china relates to the world

    how things work inside china is police state: you have no rights to expression, to vote, to the press, or anything other than work. every aspect of your media is controlled by the government, every aspect of your expression is censored and unapproved expression (talking ill of your government, oppressed minorities, or even just pornography places you at the jeopardy of being punished)

    so this is indeed not capitalism. it is merely life inside the corporate structure. a corporation exists within a captalist framework, but life INSIDE the corporation, how things work inside the machine, are not capitalistic, they are autocratic, an oligarchy (i called china an autocracy, it would be more accurate to call it an oligarchy: it is not run by one grumpy old man, but a gang of grumpy old men)

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  14. I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I work in Computer Lab in a German University, and we get multiple brute force attacks a day from Chinese hosts. Does that mean that China is secretly mapping the network infrastructure of the German education system? I think not. IMO TFA is rather due to a deeply entrenched fear of spies and espionage in the Indian society, also the collective trauma of being hated by all neighbouring countries.

  15. "x terrorist" label starting to piss me off by LockeOnLogic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not everyone who commits a crime or act of aggression is a fucking terrorist. Just cause you use the internet to carry out a malicious act does not make you a "CYBER TERRORIST". If I drive my car down the road like an asshole it doesn't make me a vehicular terrorist. This language has been used to promote an endless conflict used to justify indefinite wartime power. Makes me feel we are just as programmed as many of the chinese.

  16. Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? by Phil-14 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Well, it seems that the american bourgeois are just as stupid, by buying stuff from communist, the very political class that's dedicaced to eradicate them...

    The Chinese stopped being communists in everything but name twenty years ago. Heck, they don't even have a social saftey net worth talking about. That is why everyone in china puts so much pressure on their kids to succeed. In China, your kid's job is your pension. America is more "communist" than China. Well, except for the part where most businesses are either owned by the government, the party, or by relatives of the top party officials.

    Just because it's not being done for the _good_ of the workers doesn't mean it can't be socialist/communist.

    I don't know why it doesn't bug any of y'all that anytime someone starts a communist country it invariably degenerates into something all the leftists say looks like fascism. Maybe it's the logical end-state of communism?
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  17. Re:Maybe the nazis wrre right? by superbus1929 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Communism - by it's sheer paper definition - is virtually impossible on a large scale. You still need leaders to make things move. Said leaders want to stay leaders. Boom - no more Communism.

    Personally, I subscribe to the line of thinking that every political organization - regardless of the initial system - inevitably becomes an oligarchy. It's not only happened in China, but it's happened in Russia and the United States as well.

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  18. Re:Indirect attack on the US by Haeleth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Newsflash to USA: the world does not revolve around you.

    China has many pressing reasons to be interested in India that have nothing whatsoever to do with the USA: thousands of miles of disputed borders, for one, and rivalry in the race for economic and political influence as both nations develop. The fact that a handful of US-based companies may be storing information in Indian databases probably doesn't even make it into the top 50 reasons why China might want to conduct cyberwaar in India, let alone the top 10...