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Google, Sprint, Others to Build Wireless Data Network

Nerdposeur writes "Google has announced that it will partner with several other companies to build a high-speed mobile data network. In a separate but related deal, Google will also become the default search provider for Sprint, including having one-click search access and Google Maps pre-installed on some Sprint phones. 'The consortium includes a disparate group of partners: Sprint Nextel, Google, Intel, Comcast, Time Warner and Clearwire. The partners have put the value of the deal at $14.5 billion, a figure that includes radio spectrum and equipment provided by Sprint Nextel and Clearwire, and $3.2 billion from the others involved. They expect the network, which will provide the next generation of high-speed Internet access for cellphone users, to be built in as little as two years, but there is no timetable on when it will be available to users and the price is not determined. The partners are seeking to beat Verizon Wireless and AT&T Wireless to the market.'"

65 comments

  1. The better deal by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As long as they don't have mysterious "fiber splices" into a sealed room, I'm in. Ma Bell's mobile broadband service sucks. If these folks set up a reliable connection and don't get greedy then they will win.

    1. Re:The better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they weren't greedy they wouldn't be investing.

    2. Re:The better deal by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      As long as they don't have mysterious "fiber splices" into a sealed room, I'm in.

      Use SSH, VPH, and other encrypted protocols to landline sites and bounce off proxies to anonymizer networks.

      Geez. This is WIRELESS. NSA, FBI, SVR, MSS, Mosssad, Mafia, RIAA, etc. don't NEED splices - they can tap it from satellites or stations on the ground. (The only thing the "sealed room" option does is make it cheaper, easier, and guarantee full coverage.)

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    3. Re:The better deal by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      How do you know that they don't already have the keys to the aforementioned protocols? The next war will be economic...or just an excuse to infringe on civil liberties. Your choice :)

    4. Re:The better deal by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      How do you know that they don't already have the keys to the aforementioned protocols?

      This is spy stuff. You don't know. You just do the best you can with the technology available to you.

      In this case you use the best encryption methods and protocols available in the public literature and hope that the open technologies' ability to obscure is keeping enough ahead of the investigative, intelligence, and criminal organizations' ability to crack. (Or at least slowing them down and raising the cost enough that, by the time they get around to breaking your stuff, it won't matter.)

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    5. Re:The better deal by blhack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How do you know that they don't already have the keys to the aforementioned protocols? Because they're the same protocols and encryption suites used by the NSA (who develops a lot of them). Whenever they find a big or vuln. in an encryption they always release the fix for it.

      The NSA has an interest in strong security too. If there is ANY loophole in the encryption (even one that the tin-foil hat crowd thinks they put there) it would be exploitable by the enemy as well.

      HOnestly, if the NSA wants to sniff your communications, it would be a lot easier for them to just break into your house and install a sniffer inline between your keyboard and your puter. No I am not talking about the hardware keyloggers you see online for $50.
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    6. Re:The better deal by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      We've had that with most ISPs since 1996 when Bill Clinton rubber stamped the Carnivore and Magic Lantern projects.

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    7. Re:The better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as they don't have mysterious "fiber splices" into a sealed room, I'm in.

      Er, this is wireless. If they want the data, they can just pluck it right out of the air. (And don't say "use encryption", because that's just as effective against the "fibre splices" you are worried about).

    8. Re:The better deal by blantonl · · Score: 1

      If they don't NEED splices, then why do they implement them?

      Simple... the law of physics apply even here on earth.

      Take the tinfoil off your head and remember that physics drive implementation decisions, THEN cost.

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    9. Re:The better deal by statemachine · · Score: 1

      if the NSA wants to sniff your communications, it would be a lot easier for them to just break into your house

      Yup. It's easier to set up a way to detect interception than to completely prevent it. And, this is not Bruno or even just a well-funded adversary. This is the government. If they want it, they get it. Unless he has an equivalently powerful government and standing army hidden in his closet?

    10. Re:The better deal by Tancred · · Score: 1

      If there's network neutrality, will it matter? Just encrypt everything.

    11. Re:The better deal by plantman-the-womb-st · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "next war"? It's already started...

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    12. Re:The better deal by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      While it's true that the lion's share of investors do it to get rich, don't discount the tiny minority that do because they think it's a great idea.

      Of course, the former investor type call the latter "suckers"...

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    13. Re:The better deal by kRutOn · · Score: 1

      As long as they don't have mysterious "fiber splices" into a sealed room, I'm in. Ma Bell's mobile broadband service sucks. If these folks set up a reliable connection and don't get greedy then they will win. Whoops, all telecommunications providers already have mysterious splices in a sealed room. CALEA was designed to let law enforcement tap telecommunications equipment easily. Sprint is a telecommunications carrier and therefore must comply with CALEA.

      Oh, also, it's possible for data networks to carry VoIP and IM conversations, so they have access to those as well. In fact, the FCC issued a ruling in 2005 expanding the reach of CALEA over Internet broadband providers.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act
  2. What is their masterplan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It does give food for thought, google have some much resources, and apparently a finger in every pie, but have stated little publicly about what their eventual goal is.
    They seem to be moving into telecommunications, as well as data warehousing, on-line information storage, retrieval, and personal communications...
    Does it make anyone else wonder whether we heading towards a future where there's only one communications company?

    1. Re:What is their masterplan? by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People have been saying that Google is the new Microsoft for some time. Most everyone else pooh-pooh's them because Google has been the darling of the tech community for years now. I'm old enough to remember when the tech community loved Microsoft too.

      Google will do what any publically held company does. They will grow and grow and take over as much as they can until something or someone stops them. That's not as alarmist as it might sound, it's just how things work.

      One company owning all of our data scares me a LOT more than one company providing all of our software.

    2. Re:What is their masterplan? by DamonHD · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uh, I don't ever remember M$ being that favourite child. My one and only communication with Mr Gates was 20-odd years ago (by telex) to ask him to force his UK office to honour its bloody contract with us. Which he did, very quickly, all credit to him.

      Also, the most expensive (and pretty much the most crap) technical manual I ever had to buy was a £100 ($200 today) book from M$ in the same sort of epoch, so maybe £300/$600 today.

      No, M$ was never ever as highly regarded as G still generally is, tin-foil-hat wearers et al aside. And G sets out to do good whereas M$ never gave a rat's arse if the alternative was more $$$.

      A perfectly legitimate way to behave for a company, but G is trying not to be in that mold IMHO. They do have duties to shareholders of course, and other than Google.org, they're not a philanthropy.

      Partial disclaimer: I use Google (and Microsoft) products, and know people at Google.

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    3. Re:What is their masterplan? by XHIIHIIHX · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've always loved stealing Microsoft software.

    4. Re:What is their masterplan? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      One company owning all of our data scares me a LOT more than one company providing all of our software. All your data are belong to US Government.
       
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    5. Re:What is their masterplan? by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      The plan is simple, get more people using the internet more, same as android. If your not online they cant sell you ads.
      They dont really have their finger in that many pies just lots of different mechanism to sell you ads.
      At the point where setting up a new market becomes more rewarding than competing in existing ones that's what they do.

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  3. Excellent news for MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another Google adventure which won't make them any money.

    Balmer's chairs must be really happy lately.

    1. Re:Excellent news for MS by chunk08 · · Score: 1

      Just how will this not make them any money? If they can provide cheap nationwide broadband access, ($60-70/mo is not cheap), they will make plenty of money. Mine, for starters.

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    2. Re:Excellent news for MS by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      I pay 50/mo and mine sucks. If they charge 60-70, then their shit better work everywhere in the 48 states. Including rural Montana.

    3. Re:Excellent news for MS by chunk08 · · Score: 1

      But it doesn't. I'm on Verizon and I have a phone that can use EVDO for connectivity (that's what's currently used for wireless broadband). I get a signal maybe 20% of the time (The GSM sig is fine). But Verizon wants $67/mo for mobile broadband. No way.

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    4. Re:Excellent news for MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      google's in this to a) have a working relationship with wireline and wireless broadband providers, in case net neutrality tanks (watch google's stance on that soften now they're buddying up with providers who are against it), and b) to keep and increase their market share in their core business: online advertising. more people online, more people use their services and see their ads. branding the net access itself, having default apps, etc. only serves to make their name stickier. i think one of their ultimate goals is to have google become the de facto term for 'the net' (e.g. kleenex = tissue). it's basically there already for searching the net.

      what i am wondering about is what was the deal with how google handled the c-block auction and their continued push for "openness" after it was concluded? was that all just a ploy to burden whoever won (verizon) that bit of spectrum?

    5. Re:Excellent news for MS by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      They'll provide you with cheap (ish) broadband access - subject to Sprint's usual terms - and you'll also get the added value of Google ads emailed directly to you, keywords pulled from the data you access over their network.

      Advertising pays for everything at Google, don't think they'll change that.

    6. Re:Excellent news for MS by billiam247 · · Score: 1

      Verizon doesn't use GSM, they use EVDO and CDMA.

    7. Re:Excellent news for MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have a 595u with evdo rev a usb modem (595u - sierra) which works awesome on linux with sprints network. skype works, i can d/l at 100k/s on the highway and $50/mo (sero) cant be beat.
      GPS is a big bonus thrown in as well.

    8. Re:Excellent news for MS by chunk08 · · Score: 1

      Right. My bad. I had a temporary brain fart there. I couldn't remember which it was so I pulled one out of my head and I was wrong. My point stands though. Good catch.

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  4. Have to make the market - lot of risk. by mediocubano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sprint has the spectrum, they paid for it a long time ago. Now that Nextel isn't generating as much free cash they don't have the money to build the network, so that is where the outside investors come in.

    The tightening credit market has not helped either.

    You have to spend money to make money. There are already a lot of last-mile data solutions out there, so someone has to spend a lot of money get the ball rolling. Have to make the market in this case.

    1. Re:Have to make the market - lot of risk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction, Sprint doesn't have all of the spectrum, just a chunk of it. Which is why they and others are investing in Clearwire, who also hold a big chunk of the 2.5Ghz spectrum. Remember it's a licensed frequency, so you have to have the spectrum for this to work.

  5. Comcast sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google working together with Comcast.

    I have never had a good experience with Comcast. Maybe Google will rub off on 'em.

  6. Rats... by MsGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...looks like the Android train has left the station, with only Sprint aboard. So much for T-Mobile offering Android and Google stuff. This also means I'm going to have to ditch my GSM phone too. Dammit Sprint!!

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    1. Re:Rats... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What makes you think that the phone is the primary market for this - intel makes the WiMax chips, they are part of this too. I bet we start to see peripherals for laptops and desktops to get this into the home as well as mobile. hell, get some of these in your car / navigation device - its broadband access to your music on the road. Put em anywhere you want broadband access - the infrastructure is expensive but the chips aren't.

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    2. Re:Rats... by MBCook · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree. If I had to chose one specific strategic reason for this I'd say it's to keep things open for Google.

      Microsoft has MSN which they like to try to push (quietly so as not to upset the DOJ). If AT&T, Comcast, Verison, Sprint, T-Mobile, or others decided to start giving preference to their own search (this includes site-finder like stuff) or net neutrality falters (so Google services are reduced unless someone pays extra) then Google could be in for a world of hurt. By the time the mandatory court case got far (at least far enough for an injunction) this could have become quite bad for Google.

      Should the court not grant such an injunction, take a long time to grant it, or the ISPs did it sneakily enough Google could suffer some real harm by the time things got "fixed".

      Google wants more people on the 'net. There is no question about that. This also serves branding ("I get my internet from Google", "Google lowered my broadband prices"). But it promises Google that even if net neutrality is denied by the supreme court, they have a possibly big partner that they can try to prevent from pushing stuff like that on them.

      This is at minimum (and skeptically) a preventative measure. In the short term I think the other benefits will be better, but this is a safe play for Google.

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    3. Re:Rats... by Serpentegena · · Score: 1

      The best things in life always come with TDMA access isn't it?

      Otherwise, I for one welcome our newly-instated Supernet overlords!! If Wi-Fi extends to at least full North-American and Western European coverage, say goodbye to all that POTS/cellphone junk. It's VoIP-ing all the way baby!, unless it gets banned on a massive scale due to lost telco profits. It's been known to happen in Guyana and Ethiopia...and Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Oman...and China. Oh, and Brazil.

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    4. Re:Rats... by blhack · · Score: 1

      unless it gets banned on a massive scale due to lost telco profits. I know this might not be a popular opinion around here, but if the telcos want to be jackasses about their network....isn't it sortof their right to be (assuming the own it)? Granted some of the networks have been built with taxpayer money, but the routers all belong to the telco. I don't like the fact that they do things like throttle bittorrent or try to kill off streaming Video, but it is (at least in theory) a free market.
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    5. Re:Rats... by Serpentegena · · Score: 1

      their network

      I'm talking nationwide VoIP blocking at the IX-es. That includes business/corporate users.
      If my ISP corked the respective ports, I would SO go ninja on them - my current TOS specify "no closed ports".
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    6. Re:Rats... by maggard · · Score: 1

      Nothing of the sort.

      T-Mo has publicly said they want to be the first out with Android. That fits in with their usual strategy - first with Windows Mobile 6, first with new Blackberry models & OS's, first with new HTC models, etc.

      Android is still half-baked - witness the software you can download and install already. So there's no platform yet to ship, and won't be for a few more months. No platform no train to board.

      Furthermore it'll be years before any WiMax deployment can match any of the Big-4 (Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile) networks. Also keep in mind T-Mo already offers free roaming (over AT&T, Alltel, Unicel, Centennial, Dobson, etc.) as well as UMA over WiFi so T-Mo's network is effectively much larger then gets shown on maps.

      Lastly T-Mo started lighting up their 3G network this month in NYC, with '20 cities' (New England is a city?) promised this year. They're gonna be looking for a flagship product or two to show off their new offering and Android looks like a natural fit arriving at the right time on the smartphone side.

      T-Mo looks to be shaping up well - late to the game but with spectrum to grow into, solid phone offerings, some unique products (home service for $10!) and unlimited data for $20/month. With their solid customer service, great rates, and likely Android phone they should be a real market changer in a few months.

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    7. Re:Rats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there still is the rumor that Deutsch Telekom may either purchase or merge/partner with Sprint, so I wouldn't count them out yet.

    8. Re:Rats... by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you've nailed it. The phone market is huge, but it's also looking somewhat saturated. New customer acquisition costs are large and competition is fierce. Thin margins could get even thinner.

      The potential market for non-phone devices is enormous. Sprint and Amazon have shown how well it can work with the wireless connection on the Kindle. Start setting up deals like this everywhere and suddenly Sprint might have a chance to survive and prosper big time.

      The phone companies hate the idea of just selling commodity bandwidth, but if Sprint/Google get this right, the upside is huge. If they don't do this, Sprint is likely dead anyway.

      I'm guessing Google is going to buy them sooner rather than later.

    9. Re:Rats... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has MSN which they like to try to push Dude, where have you been, MSN was like soooo last year. Its Windows Live now. Of course, by the time you read this post, it'll have been rebranded to something else again.
    10. Re:Rats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're reading this, OP, your signature lies.

  7. creators' newclear powered communication tools.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  8. This is also poised against Apple & Microsoft by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google maps as defaults on Sprint Phones. Who's ox is gored by this one?

    Apple, who doesn't have any one in particular for GPS and mapping, and their 'business partner' AT&T.

    Microsoft, whose strategy is clear as mud, and can't seem to get mobile working very well at all.

    T-Mobile/DT, who doesn't partner and eschews WiMax altogether.

    Verizon, who is more proprietary than any of the aforementioned, in my personal experience.

    Nice move Sprint. Too bad WiMax has proven so difficult and expensive to deploy.

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  9. I'm in, pending plan pricing... by Corf · · Score: 1

    In 2006 I got sick of contract lock-in and went to Virgin Mobile - phones that're cheap & easy to replace, no contract, and my usage fees total maybe twelve bucks a month. Uses the Sprint network, so coverage is not and never has been a problem.

    If Sprint and Google can whizbang something together that whiffs of open construction and come up with a mini PCIe card that'll fit in my Asus EEE's spare slot, and price it reasonably with similar coverage, I'd happily sign away a two-year fraction of my monthly income.

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  10. Re:Rats... Android Train left the station... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    So, are we gonna see something like an "Emergence" of "A Fistful of Datas"?, or some sort of new Vertiform City? They may want to think twice about opening that box..., hehehe.. .MAKE IT SO, Nrs. One...

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  11. Beat Verizon and AT&T to the market??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The partners are seeking to beat Verizon Wireless and AT&T Wireless to the market."

    Looks like they are a few years too late. As much as I hate CDMA and contracts, my Verizon EVDO connection works pretty damned well. I can play WoW and play movies from netflix's VoD selection over it.

    They might be able to produce a cheaper product or even a better one, but they sure as hell are not beating anyone to the market.

    1. Re:Beat Verizon and AT&T to the market??? by andy1307 · · Score: 1

      Sprint has EVDO service too. I have a phone that was recently upgraded to EVDO rev A.

    2. Re:Beat Verizon and AT&T to the market??? by Pros_n_Cons · · Score: 1

      Careful playing WoW with verizon. I was looking to get a data plan at Verizon and the girl at the store said its 50 cents for every MB over 5 gigs.. One WoW user got billed almost 20 GRAND.

      You'll understand why I'm going with sprint just incase. Not to mention its $10 cheaper with SERO. Verizon has better coverage but aslong as it works at home and work thats all I need to use it at. it doesn't need to be as "mobile" as my phone which i'll probably go with verizon for.

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  12. Sprint's Network by TimeSpeak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nextel/Sprint had an inferior cell tower technology and was forced to place the towers at a closer proximity than most other carriers. This turned out to be a big bonus for the new spectrum... Closer towers=faster more reliable speeds. The other carriers are going to have to play catch-up on the technologies or invest a lot more on towers....

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    1. Re:Sprint's Network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the problems that the Old Nextel network had, aside from their poor choice of spectrum, was that they refused to invest in *any* towers in various parts of the country that they deemed to have too low a population density (at least, on paper, according to the Census Bureau, etc.). So, large areas of rural northern New England and western North Carolina, were not served AT ALL. What Nextel (and Sprint) refused/s to fathom is that a lot of those areas are used by folks with second homes, and are therefore in a very nice demographic for expensive toys. Their competition has been gleefully usurping them as a result.

      I was quite happy to move from Nextel to Verizon Wireless as a result.

    2. Re:Sprint's Network by wh1pp3t · · Score: 1

      Nextel/Sprint had an inferior cell tower technology and was forced to place the towers at a closer proximity than most other carriers. It's not inferior technology; more of being designed to work that way. The design allows for very simple capacity and coverage enhancements (however, applicable to CDMA, not iDEN).
    3. Re:Sprint's Network by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Huh? That's just plain wrong.

      Sprint/Nextel use CDMA, just like Verizon, Alltel, and a few smaller companies do.

      CDMA actually allows for a considerably larger cell size, whereas GSM is restricted to a "hard limit" of 35km. This is often touted as the reason why CDMA saw successful adoption in rural areas in the US, while GSM took a while to catch up, while densely-populated, developed areas stuck to GSM.

      Nextel/Sprint may have placed their towers closer together for some other reason, although they actually had the ability to place their towers further apart than their GSM-based competitors. I have no clue whether or not this was actually the case.

      Also, lots of operators share towers. It's a fairly common practice, and a legal obligation in some areas.

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    4. Re:Sprint's Network by ScottForbes · · Score: 1

      This is a misunderstanding. All other things being equal (given the same power output, antennas, etc.), carriers using a lower radio frequency will need fewer cells to cover the same area. Lower frequencies can travel through denser materials without loss of signal; ultra-low frequencies can travel through solid rock, for instance, while certain high-end frequences have trouble passing through raindrops.

      At the same time, higher frequencies are better for high-speed data because they can carry more bits: When a radio signal is oscillating at, say, 850 million times a second (850 MHz), the frequency represents a hard upper bound on how much information it can carry. So the frequency represents a tradeoff between coverage and bandwidth, at least for applications involving wireless data.

      Sprint's original spectrum licenses were in the PCS band, at 1900 MHz; Nextel used the SMR band (and was something of an oddball in that regard) at 800 MHz, which was actually a lower frequency than the cellular licensees at 850 MHz. The WiMAX deal involves the 2500 MHz band, so the RF engineers will be busy figuring out which cell towers to re-use and where to put new ones - but this has nothing to do with "inferior cell tower technology" and everything to do with spectrum.

  13. Seriously? by mpapet · · Score: 2

    Sprint Nextel, Google, Intel, Comcast, Time Warner and Clearwire.

    I give the probability of fair pricing to the consumer coming out at 2%.

    I give the probability of anything actually getting built beyond a pilot in the next 10 years at 5%.

    I give the probability that these jokers can actually work together at 2%.

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    1. Re:Seriously? by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 2

      I give the probability of fair pricing to the consumer coming out at 2%.

      I give the probability of anything actually getting built beyond a pilot in the next 10 years at 5%.

      I give the probability that these jokers can actually work together at 2%.
      I'd say you're being awfully generous with those numbers. This just sounds like one big clusterfuck to me. At some point along the line, one or more of these companies is going to decide that some part of the plan works against their own business interests, and pull out, leaving at best nothing changed, or at worst, a half-functioning network with poor coverage, even worse support and the early adopters (who pony up big bucks to use the new technology) shit outta luck. Like Ricochet, for example.
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    2. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearwire already has done a private test of WiMax and trust me, it works http://www.cnbc.com/id/22563616. And rumor is, they will have WiMax up and running in one or more markets before the end of the year. Still some issues with WiMax, but certainly coming along nicely.

  14. But doesn't WiMax...suck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't there big news not too long ago about an Australian company detailing the many ways in which WiMax was an absolute disaster and was not a feasible technology for widespread mobile broadband?

  15. Way to go sprint by Aranykai · · Score: 1

    Ive been a sprint customer for the last 6 years. Their phones(if you get the right ones, ie sanyo) are unmatched in quality and durability. Their service people usually know what they are doing, and if they do make a mistake, they trip all over themselves trying to make it up to you.

    Ive been using google apps on my sanyo phone for a while, but it will finally be nice to see sprint support them, even ship them on the phones.

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  16. Did anybody notice the $1 billion from Comcast? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk about strange bedfellows. A throttler and Net Neutrality, what's Net Neutrality? carrier getting together with Google? Half a billion from Google, a billion from Comcast. It's going to be a shitty worthless service. BAD investment, Google. You're going to get screwed by your "partner."

  17. Google too close for comfort... by Prisoner's+Dilemma · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Google being this ingrained is not good. Is the wireless data going to become like Gmail or Google web accelerator where they read/analyze your private information to more effectively inundate you with advertising? I really hope that when/if it truely becomes illegal for carriers to tamper with the data that it also becomes illegal for them to access it as well.

    We're always looking for ways to work with carriers, device manufacturers, software providers, and others to help you get the information and content you need, whenever and wherever you need it. Unfortunately, too often these companies decide they know what I NEED better than I do. The more centralized this becomes, the more difficult it is to circumvent when you don't want what they say you NEED.

  18. Re:This is also poised against Apple & Microso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if it's necessarily bad for Microsoft. For example, Sprint has some Windows Mobile phones. When I read this summary, I immediately thought of Sprint's HTC Touch Vogue. The google maps application, a free download from Google, is pretty cool on that thing. Same goes with some of the other HTC devices you can get today from AT&T.

    Everyone loves to play up the Google/Microsoft rivalry, but I think Google applications on Windows Mobile devices is actually an excellent combination. It's funny how much better things are when they interoperate, and users ultimately have the choice in what they use.

  19. Bug by geekgirlandrea · · Score: 1

    Google seems to have an extra ! somewhere in their motto interpreter lately.

  20. What a screwed up article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't some new network to be built, it's just the existing friggin Xohm and Clearwire networks that will be spliced together with money thrown at it by Google and others. It makes sense for Sprint to chop off Xohm as they're just cleaning up that mess for a sale. Clearwire has been spinning its wheels for awhile and needs a shot in the arm. I wish Slashdot editors had a clue...