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HP Seals the Deal, Buys EDS For $14B

netbuzz writes "Following yesterday's spate of heated rumors, the announcement comes this morning that HP has completed a deal to buy EDS for just under $14 billion. The acquisition has been approved by the boards of both companies, according to HP. EDS CEO Ron Rittenmeyer has issued an e-mail to his employees promising that the company brand will continue and, "We are — and will remain — EDS."

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  1. Heh... by leonbev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if Digital's and Compaq's CEO's sent out a similar e-mail when they got bought out by HP :)

    Look at the bright point, guys... at least you didn't get bought out by IBM. They would have completely turned the business on it's head in a manner of months!

    1. Re:Heh... by Gigiya · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would Compaq's employees want to stay Compaq?

    2. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Compaq's CEO certainly sent out a similar email.

      The surviving Compaq portions of the combined company still have a lot of Compaq culture in them, but the HP culture is slowly eating that away.

      The CEO's extreme cost cutting is having an effect as well. Compaq employees used to have individual offices and free Cokes in the labs. Now we have cubes and expensive vending machine Cokes. Hell, they even took away the sporks from the break rooms.

      So, EDS folk: welcome to the company. Say goodbye to your sporks.

    3. Re:Heh... by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 4, Funny

      'Tis better to have sporked and lost than never to have sporked at all.

    4. Re:Heh... by spookymonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your biggest issue is the loss of a few perks, sounds like the cost-cutting was targeted perfectly.

      Now if you'd complained about something that actually impacted your job performance (excessive micromanagement, armed guards outside the stationary closets, etc.), I might've felt some sympathy....

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    5. Re:Heh... by AchilleTalon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Someone can define HP's culture? Compaq's culture? Digital's culture? IBM's culture? And so on? It would be interesting to finally know if they are really so much different.

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    6. Re:Heh... by spideysense · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah because I'm sure the few hundred dollars they spent on coke and sporks in a year cut REAL deep into the $9.6billion profit from last year. Treating people like their actually human and throwing them a few tiny perks here and there goes a long way.

    7. Re:Heh... by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Compaq did in fact send out a similar email, and after the disastrous merger was complete, they also promised not to close down the facilities here in Omaha, despite announcing that they were going to outsource production facilities. Shortly after promising us that all of our jobs were safe, they laid everyone off.

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    8. Re:Heh... by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't know that I can define the above cultures very well, but corporations do have cultures, as do brands. When I worked for Harrahs, Inc. we never said gambling even though we owned casinos. We were about responsible entertainment. We also provided a clear formula to the customers for how much "gaming" meant how many reward points.

      When we became Horseshoe, we were all about gambling, gambling and gambling. We couldn't say gambler enough. Our comping system because obtuse and complicated, and seemingly random. We actually comped less, but tried to create the image that anyone could be comped for anything. Employees were also treated better even though we basically had the same management staff all the way up to the GM of the casino, but brand and company cultures were different.

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    9. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If your biggest issue is the loss of a few perks, sounds like the cost-cutting was targeted perfectly.

      Now if you'd complained about something that actually impacted your job performance (excessive micromanagement, armed guards outside the stationary closets, etc.), I might've felt some sympathy....
      One of the key elements to the rise of Google has been all the little things it did for its employees to show they value and respect them via perks and giving them time to work on projects of their choice. If employees don't have much to start with in the line of perks and those are taken away it will likely be taken as a great insult to employees.

      Put a spork in it, it's done. Not even real silverware. HP essentially said "let them eat cake with their fingers". Trading your office for a cubicle isn't too nice either.
    10. Re:Heh... by BBandCMKRNL · · Score: 4, Funny

      Someone can define Digital's culture? Yes.
      Digital - The beatings will continue until morale improves. The CEO has a reserved parking spot for his luxury car, eats lunch in his private dinning room, and a 24 x 7 security detail.

      DEC - The CEO parks his 10 year old pickup truck, the same one he uses to haul his trash to the dump on weekends, in any empty parking spot because he doesn't have a reserved one, eats lunch in the cafe like everyone else, and only has a security detail when the BoD demands it. He comes down to the hardware labs to not only admire your project but to actually understand it.

      Unfortunately, Ken didn't understand business as well as he understood technology. But then Robert Palmer didn't understand either.
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    11. Re:Heh... by Cheeko · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the flip side for us Digital folks who had been under Compaq, HP was a return to much more what Digital was like than what Compaq was. It was kind of like putting up with 5 years of people saying "the culture won't change" while they tried to change it, to finally going back to a similar culture.

      I think more than anything it has to deal with where the companies priorities are.

      Compaq's priorities were obviously its PC business, so the Unix/Linux/VMS/etc etc folks felt like they were getting the corporate culture shaft. Then after the HP merger the culture became much more focused on services and enterprise business, so suddenly everyone at traditional Compaq felt their culture was being crushed because the focus was elsewhere.

      If HP's focus really is on growing its services, then there is a decent chance that the culture might stay fairly in tact (they want them for how they are). If instead they simply plan on using EDS as a tool for driving other business goals, then there is a fair chance of being pulled into the same corporate culture.

      As a final note as a DECPaq HPer. I much preferred HP's culture under Mark Hurd to the culture at Compaq. He's a cost cutter, but he's also made for a very efficient productive well focused company. More than Carly ever did for sure. Even HP's innovations seemed to have started coming back, with some of the recent announcements in nano computing, etc.

    12. Re:Heh... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Having worked at or been related to someone who worked for each of the afore mentioned companies here is my take on their "cultures"

      HP - Quality engineering with attention to the details (That culture is all but dead now). I think the venerable HP LJ III is a shining example of that culture. I still have clients who refuse to give up their LJ IIIs.

      Compaq - Their culture evolved over the years and not for the better. In the early years they were the scrappy David to IBM's Goliath and they could do anything. Free sodas flowed freely to offset the mandatory overtime shifts and it was very exciting. Because Compaq grew so quickly I believe there were management positions filled with less than qualified people which led to a protectionist mentality of much of the middle management. As a result good people got bounced just in case they had their eye on the middle manager's job. This slowly drove a wedge between workers and management which ultimately led to their demise. I worked there in the early years and during the handover to hp. My supervisor (badge number 35) was released shortly before my project was suspended.

      Digital - Many subcultures that never really got along. You had the geek set which did not understand business and a business culture that didn't know how to market what the geeks produced and a marketing and sales group who thought that the VAX would take them to retirement. Very smart people with vary narrow vision.

      IBM - They have embraced their white shirt, black tie image in their current advertising campaign which is fitting because that was entirely their culture. My uncle retired from the Air Force after 20 and went straight to work on IBM BIG IRON. Up the same time every day, same clothes, hair style, etc. A very bland life by most accounts but it was fulfilling for him.

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    13. Re:Heh... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If your biggest issue is the loss of a few perks, sounds like the cost-cutting was targeted perfectly.

      Free Cokes may be fairly trivial (although for some people it probably represents a significant chunk of income ...) but going from offices to cubes is not "the loss of a few perks." It's a fundamental downgrade in working conditions.

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  2. I hope HP is smarter than GM by maurert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an HP employee I hope HP is smarter than GM was. Remember the GM bought EDS in the 80s and EDS milked GM for all it was worth. EDS did great; GM not so. Of course GM thought it was buying a company to outsource its IT to while HP is looking to merge outsourcing operations with EDS.

    1. Re:I hope HP is smarter than GM by PalmKiller · · Score: 2, Informative
  3. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yay! An alternative to IBM Global Services from the maker of some really good servers. Too bad it's EDS, well at least it's not Accenture!

    Go Ross Perot!

    1. Re:Yay! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Go Ross Perot!
      Ross Perot no longer has anything to do with EDS. He sold out his stake to GM many, many years ago.
  4. I admit, this amuses me... by NecroPuppy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seeing as one contract of EDS's, NMCI, just finished (or is real damn close to finishing) a tech refresh of the computers they provide.

    We all got new Dells.

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    1. Re:I admit, this amuses me... by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NMCI, just finished (or is real damn close to finishing)

      About freaking time. NMCI is to technology what Iraq is to foreign policy. A bloody, never-ending contractor boondoggle that cost the taxpayers billions while providing no long term value. You could bury NMCI and SPAWAR in the same hole and the world would be a better place.

      NMCI aside I think this is a positive development for both companies. It will provide an alternative to Dell Consulting and a big project support source that isn't married to MS. It's a real foot in the door for HP on a lot of big projects. Nicely done.

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    2. Re:I admit, this amuses me... by rot26 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Better check again. EDS isn't going anywhere. In fact, it's getting an even bigger slice of the NMCI pie to fuck up. I always thought we'd just be better off letting AOL run the NMCI network, and stick advertisements all over everything. I'm pretty happy with my Dell workstations, though... I guess this will mean we'll be using HP's at the next tech refresh.

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  5. So long DELL? by Quetzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Looks like HP is moving into IBM/DELL territory ( managed IT services ). I'm not too worried for IBM.

    DELL, on the other hand, has a real fight on its hands. So.. umm... Mike.. why don't you forget about your small business services crap and go back to focus on making good machines and providing good customer service.

    I don't know if EDS was the best vehicle to use, but its better than trying to setup something new.

    1. Re:So long DELL? by maxume · · Score: 4, Informative

      IBM does $54 billion in services.

      EDS does $22 billion in services.

      HP does $17 billion in services.

      Dell does $6 billion in services.

      The deal probably isn't quite about Dell.

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    2. Re:So long DELL? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It used to be that Dell sold decent computers for decent prices. They grew because they were cheaper than HP or IBM and used more commodity parts than Compaq. These days parts are getting cheaper and cheaper, and the desktop isn't as profitable due to really low margins. IBM foresaw that and sold off their PC business. That coupled with the fact that most PCs built in the last 5 years are good enough for most consumers who are not gaming so people don't need to replace their PCs anytime soon. Also, Dell has, for better or worse, tied their success to Windows. Vista now constitutes a significant amount of the cost of new PC as hardware prices drop. Even though Dell offers XP on new machines, they've already paid for the more expensive Vista (which includes downgrade rights).

      It's ironic that Dell and Apple have switched places from 10 years ago where Apple was in trouble and Dell was riding high. Apple computers are price competitive if you compare them feature for feature; it's that Apple, for most part, focuses their efforts on higher end models and laptops which have better margins and avoided the pricing wars on the low end.

      For Dell to remain, they have take some risks. I won't suggest that they sell off all the assets and give the money back to the shareholders that Dell suggested to Apple ten years ago.

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    3. Re:So long DELL? by Fozzyuw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple computers are price competitive if you compare them feature for feature;

      Oddly, every time I price out a Mac Book Pro, it's well over $1,000 more than it's PC counter part. Case in point... the 17" Mac Book Pro 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo starts at $2,799. I priced out a 17" Dell Inspiron 17" 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo and it came up to ~$1,700 with 3-year accidental damage warranty. When I configure the Mac Book Pro to have more similar features (4GB ram, 3-year Apple Care Warranty, etc), the price jumps too $3,348.00 So, how are Mac's Price comparable? That's $1,600 more than the Dell laptop.

      For that $3,348.00, you can get a cutting edge AlienWare (a Dell acquisition) with multiple video cards, RAID HD's, etc. So, what am I seeing wrong that makes the Dell Inspiron system not comparable, hardware for hardware, to the Mac Book Pro? Easy enough to load Ubuntu on the Dell giving it a "geek" OS.

      Serious question. I've been wanting a Mac Book Pro, but the prices are astronomical compared to PC laptops.

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    4. Re:So long DELL? by Sandbags · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all, the 2.4 GHz 17" macbook pro is not available, 2.5 is the current model at the same price, so comparing a 2.4 dell to the $2799 Macbook, of course it's going to be comperable or cheaper in price.

      OK, compare this instead:

      Apple 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo 17" system:
      - 2.5GHz core 2 duo w/ 6MB L2 cache, 800MHz front side bus
      - 2GB 677MHz DDR2 Ram (support 4GB)
      - 250GB 5400RPM drive standard ($50 more for a 200GB 7200 which would be prefered by me and is included in below price point)
      - 1680x1050 display (or for $100 a 1900X1280 LED backlit display, included in below price point)
      - DVI and VGA (with "included" adapter) external display support
      - nVidia GeForece 8600M GT 512MB GDDR3 graphics
      - gigabit Ethernet, Bluetooth and 802.11n wireless
      - iSight web cam integrated (2MP resolution?)
      - integrated high def audio, including microphone, and both optical and traditional outputs
      - 3 USB, and both firewire (400/800) inputs, plus ExpressCard/34 expansion
      - 4.5 hour battery life while using wireless! (assumes LED screen)
      - backlit keyboard
      - near-professional grade DVD authoring and video editing software
      - Mag safe, light weight modular power adapter
      - other random software (garage band etc we really don't care about unless we're in that industry)

      As built, with the better HDD and display, less than $2900 from MacMall

      Closest comperable Dell system:
      Dell XPS M1730. The ONLY Dell offering a Core 2 Duo, dedicated graphics, and 17" w/ 2GB or more of Ram and a 200GB or larger HDD.
      - Same exact processor, 2.5 w/ 6MB 800 front side
      - XP Pro OS standard, vista is actually $40 more, FUCK that! - win for Apple OS X
      - 2GB 677MHz DDR2 (also upgradebale to 4GB) - same specs
      - CD/DVD burner (note it's NOT dual layer) - Win for Apple MacBook pro
      - wireless 802.11n (They claim Bluetooth is an OPTION, but I couldn't figure out how to add it except an EXTERNAL USB adapter...) - Win for Macbook pro
      - 85watthr battery 9 cells. (estimated life, less than 2 hours, Dell suggest a 2nd one for $189 more) - Win for MacBook pro
      - Adobe elements and Pinacle Studio added (to compete with iLife) - Win could go either way, user preference, i prefer iLife 08... (I use Pinacle and adobe on a PC, so I HAVE compared them directly)
      - 1900x1280 WUXGA screen standard, but not LED based... - Win for Macbook pro
      - 5.1 digital audio out - same standard
      - 200GB 7200RPM drive (a 320 4200 was standard, that's crap slow...) - 200GB drives are same
      - DVI out (adapters for other connections not included, but available) - win for Apple, they included the adapter for free
      - 2MP web cam and microphone included - basically same specs
      - 4USB and 1 400mhz firewire, but no 800 firewire, did have expresscard though - Apple wins if you actually have an 800MHz firewire device, 99% of us do not so we'll call it a tie here
      - Gigabit ethernet - same spec
      - had to upgrade to 8700M nvidia graphics as 512MB 8600 wasn't available, - slight win in Dells' favor
      - 1 year warranty - Dell claims "on site" but in 14 years in IT I have NEVER ONCE seen Dell actually FIX a notebook onsite, they allways take it away for repairs. Apple machines can be repaired at apple stores - Win for Apple

      As built, $2838 from Dell

      In the end, the Dell has "slightly" better video card (about 1 FPS, if that, better), but the other core specs (RAM, HDD, Proc) are the same. However, being ugly, 4 lbs heavier, larger in every single dimension, having half the battery life, it can't run OS X (Apple will run Windows just fine, either native or virtual), no internal bluetooth, no backlit kbd, no media center functionality (unless you add Vista Ultimate), no wireless remote, no VGA or SVGA (gotta buy after market adapter), No LED option, and it comes with a load of bloatware, and Antvirus and AntiSpyware (which the Mac doesn't really need) are extra. All those missed points, and if you're licky, you saved $50 doing with Dell. And oh yea, your helpdesk is in india, Apple has

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  6. The day after. by demachina · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "We are -- and will remain -- EDS."

    Until the day after the merger, the execs cache out, and the infighting between the remaining managers starts. Executives on the bottom end of the merger always do one of two things:

    - Cash out
    - Try to outmaneuver the execs on the top end of the merger and take over the whole company, with a lot of bitter intrigue in the process

    You have to wonder how current EDS customers who are attached to their non HP hardware and software will feel about this when EDS suddenly has a massive bias to drive every nail with an HP hammer.

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    1. Re:The day after. by Danathar · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is not a bad thing. Having worked for EDS in the 90's I can tell you that ANYTHING is better than that overbloated stuffed shirt company.

      Working for EDS is well known as the ninth hell of IT. HP is probably further up in Dante's list but I'm sure it IS futher up.

    2. Re:The day after. by AchilleTalon · · Score: 3, Funny

      You have to wonder how current EDS customers who are attached to their non HP hardware and software will feel about this when EDS suddenly has a massive bias to drive every nail with an HP hammer. "Hitting your thumb is equally painful whatever the hammer's brand."

      - Confuscius -

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  7. Re:The Deal will by SimonGhent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    EDS is an anti-labor, low pay sweatshop.


    EDS is an IT services company, what else would it be?
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  8. The view from Dallas by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Dallas Morning News, EDS' hometown paper, is carrying the announcement as well. Kinda soft-peddling it, with a rather dismissive note at the bottom about the Bad News:

    During a conference call with reporters Tuesday morning, Mr. Rittenmeyer said there will probably be some job cuts as a result of the deal.

    But he suggested they might not be extensive, noting that H-P and EDS don't currently overlap in many business areas.

    "In terms of job cuts, we are continuing to streamline our workforce at EDS," Mr. Rittenmeyer said. "We've been doing that for some time. There obviously are going to be some changes. We had plans for that this year. We're going to continue to look at automation. We're going to continue to look at quality. Automation makes quality and service better for the client. It's just a natural evolution."
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  9. Re:The Deal will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    EDS are a useless shower of bastards who will be first against the wall when the revolution comes. Utterly incompetent, they have an over-inflated sense of self-importance which is continually bolstered by corporations and governments who continue, against all evidence and logic, to truck huge wads of cash over to the aforementioned useless bastards who then fuck it all up and deliver shit, late.

    The UK government has already given the cunts enough of my cash that I should own a couple of EDS offices by now. Instead we've got sweet F.A.

  10. this seals it: HP is now a Texas Company by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Interesting
    They were the essence of silicon Valley, having invented a work/life system that was the envy of the industry. Then Carly came along and fucked the place up. Merging with compaq was NOT a victory for HP, but was a major move for Compaq. The pay curves and HR policies were downgraded to compaq levels, and now HP is a shell of its former self. I wouldn't be surprised if after buying EDS they move the HQ from Palo Alto to Houston or Dallas.

    Very very sad.

    RS

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  11. Funded entirely with profit from ink sales by laing · · Score: 2, Interesting

    HP makes about $10B per year in profit from ink alone. They make another $6B or so from everything else so they could easily afford this transaction. It does raise some eyebrows though because EDS has IT support contracts with lots of big companies. If EDS starts exclusively providing/supporting HP products, competitors (think Dell) might have grounds to complain to the DOJ.

  12. employee speaking by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    as an employee, all i want to know is when we here at EDS will be able to buy HP gear with employee's discount...

    20% off on a laser printer would be sweeeet!!!

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  13. Re:Probably the wrong message to send to customers by SimonGhent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know about elsewhere, but, EDS have a reputation for unrivaled incompetence in Australia


    And in the UK.

    For instance:

    "It's amazing that anyone could manage to cock it up so successfully."

    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1000002982,39175379,00.htm

    and

    "The Ministry of Defence has forced IT services giant EDS to sign a "failure clause" before it will let the company to continue its bid for the £4bn Defence Information Infrastructure contract

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/05/eds_failure_clause/
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  14. Transcript of the final phone negotiations: by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Funny

    EDS: 16?
    HP: No, how about 12?

    EDS: 15?
    HP: You're getting warmer, how about 13?

    EDS: 14?
    HP: Okay, that sounds good, but we don't have 14 ink cartridges here, how about 14 billion in cash?

    EDS: Well, ok......

  15. Give me a Cappacino machine by kaiwai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reminds me of what I said to my boss - don't give me that pay rise; get a cappuccino machine and free coffee and I'll be happy. He couldn't believe it - the fact I was happy to give up a pay rise for that. As I said to him, if I get free coffee at work, I don't have to pay for it, which means I come back better off in the end :D

    1. Re:Give me a Cappacino machine by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No wonder psychology's mysteries have always eluded me!

      don't give me that pay rise; get a cappuccino machine and free coffee and I'll be happy. .. As I said to him, if I get free coffee at work, I don't have to pay for it

      Except that you paid for it! The difference being that your payment would always be earmarked for coffee (which is fine if you were just going to spend it on coffee anyway (even during financial emergencies)). I guess it's also cool that you end up paying less tax on it.

      He couldn't believe it
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  16. Re:"We are -- and will remain -- EDS." by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Agilent was a spin off of HP. Wrong way, bub."

    I'm aware of that - it illustrates HP's tendency to disregard a division's success or brand identity when deciding it's fate. IIRC, the HP calculator and equipment operations were comfortably profitable and highly regarded in the world of test equipment. But Carly decided she just didn't want to be in that business anymore (distracting from the development of newer, smaller, more expensive ink cartridges), so she threw it overboard with some name out of a focus group session.

    Now the operation loses sales because when people search for the HP scopes they are looking for they are NLA, and HP loses the cachet of retaining their REAL hardware roots. Tell me the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole on that deal. I'd expect whole parts of EDS to be thrown overboard within a couple of years.

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  17. What's EDS? by the+JoshMeister · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since I had never heard of EDS, I figure a lot of other Slashdot readers probably haven't, either. Here are some interesting tidbits about the company, courtesy of Wikipedia:

    • * EDS is short for Electronic Data Systems
    • * EDS defined the outsourcing business when it was established in 1962 by Ross Perot
    • * EDS catalogs its services into three service portfolios which are Infrastructure, Applications and Business Process Outsourcing
      • * Infrastructure services includes maintaining the operation of part or all of a client's computer and communications infrastructure, such as networks, mainframes, "midrange" and Web servers, desktops and laptops, and printers
      • * Applications services involves the developing, integrating, and/or maintaining of applications software for clients
      • * Business process outsourcing includes performing a business function for a client, like payroll, call centers, insurance claims processing, and so forth
    • * Most of EDS's clients are very large companies and governments that need services from a company of EDS's scale. EDS's largest clients include General Motors, Bank Of America, KarstadtQuelle, Kraft, United States Navy, the UK Ministry of Defence and the Royal Dutch Shell

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Data_Systems

  18. Re:In related news... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Damn. Seems nobody got the joke (yet). When EDS purchased somewhere back in the late 80s, I think, it is rumoured that Ross Perot thought he was purchasing GM, rather than the other way around.

    I guess if I have to explain it, it's not funny. :(

  19. HP culture of yesteryear.. by guzzirider · · Score: 4, Informative

    I remember what HP's culture was from the perspective of a user of fine test equipment (spectrum-analyzers RF-generators logic-analyzers distortion-analyzers) including using the technical support provided by HP (after sales) and less frequently involved in the purchasing process with the sales force of HP. For me, most of this experience started in the late 70's and continues today. However what I call HP is now Agilent that in my IMHO was the stupidest spin-off in the electronics industry.

    HP was a company that would support any thing it sold even real old stuff ... including making documentation available. (service manuals with schematics may not have been free but you could get one and it was not outrageous.)

    There was always a voice at the end of the phone that was competent and could answer rather complex questions on the use and application of said equipment. (now, remember this is very post sale)

    On the Sales side, equipment would be demo-ed and lent by the most competent and professional staff in the business. I never had any one in the pre-sales for and instrument LIE to me in any way. Would gladly inform me of the limitations of there products. (And in not a to boastful way would try to point out weakness in the competition but this was from pride and not BS. Never had an HP sales rep bad-mouth Tektronix for example.

    I recently helped my wife purchase a multifunction printer from HP (LaserJet M3035 MFP). This is just big enough that these models are not stocked in stores like Best Buy, Microcenter, Frys and the like. We chose to purchase from the toll free phone number found on the HP website. The experience we had was appalling. I don't believe that I was ever told any truth about any thing during this experience. It started with slick double talk that would make a used car salesmen on the 3AM movie sick. (I already picked out the unit, and all that was needed to be done was to enter the job/sales order). The larger part of the stupidly encountered was that we were shipped 2 units (we only ordered 1). We refused delivery on the 2nd unit. Fortunately we use my wife's business American Express Card for this purchase, as far as the billing AMX fixed it. HP tried to bill us for both units, then backed off to the shipping costs .. (shipping was included in the purchase price at the time of purchases). Turned into a major fiasco .

    A friend shared with me that they believe that this is due to the Compaq sales culture that HP 'got' from the merger/acquisition. I do not know if this is true but it is a far cry from the HP of yester year.

    My last dealings with Agilent have been still good but is has deteriorated from the slandered set by the old HP.

  20. Dont be me, dude. by LibertineR · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As of two weeks ago, I was just like you. Probably 9-10 double shots a day, while coding .NET MOSS apps (SharePoint). I fainted in front of the espresso machine, and was taken to the Hospital, where they told me my blood pressure was 225/135. Checked my heart, found I had early stages of congestive heart failure. Now, I wear a Nitroglycerin patch, take 3 different meds a day for blood pressure and heart rhythm control, and my life expectancy has dropped by at least 10 years. I'm not overweight, used to play basketball every weekend with others who cant jump, but I have been knocking back MAJOR caffeine for about 20 years.

    You DO NOT want to join me in the hell that is decaf-coffee, my friend. Not saying you should give it up, but consider cutting back. The caffeine forces your heart to work harder, while constricting your blood vessels at the same time. Heart gets tired, swells up, leaving less room for blood inside for each pump. You dont want this. Docs told me to give up bacon too, but I told them I would rather fucking die.

    Cut back, my brother.

    1. Re:Dont be me, dude. by thethibs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You need better advice.

      Millions of dollars have been spent on studies looking to find some harm that coffee does. All to no avail. After oil, coffee is the second most traded commodity there is; we've been drinking it for so long and in such quantities that if there were anything harmful in it, the evidence would be literally pouring in. It isn't.

      Also, anecdotes and old-wives' tales aside, caffeine dilates your blood vessels and stimulates fat-burning. Google "caffeine adenosine insulin"; it's all very interesting.

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      I'm a Programmer. That's one level above Software Engineer and one level below Engineer.