Quantum Cryptography Broken, and Fixed
schliz writes in with research out of Sweden in which researchers showed that, looking at a quantum cryptographic system as a whole, it was possible for an eavesdropper to extract some information about the QC key, thus reducing the security of the overall system. The team then proposed a cheap and simple fix for the problem. "The advanced technology was thought to be unbreakable due to laws of quantum mechanics that state that quantum mechanical objects cannot be observed or manipulated without being disturbed. But a research team at Linköping University in Sweden claim that it is possible for an eavesdropper to [get around the limitations] without being discovered. In a research paper, published in the international engineering journal IEEE Transactions on Information Theory (abstract), the researchers propose a change in the quantum cryptography process that they expect will restore the security of the technology."
Quantum stuff is so illogical to us mortals that you'd expect attempting to break it would just make it stronger.
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They were connecting the computers via cat-5 cable. Everyone knows you're supposed to use Schrödinger's cat-5 cable in that sort of application.
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If data is stored, with the intent and purpose of actually being retrievable at some time in the future, and a mechanism exists to access said data, then it is not absolutely secure because it has been designed to be retrieved.
As long as there is even one access method there exists the opportunity to expoloit it somehow.
It was actually broken AND fixed at the SAME TIME!
Well the worst thing about an encrypted stream is that you trust it, not really knowing if someone is listening half way down the line. If you get a hint that it's being listened to, you can start sending garbage (or misinformation) down the line so as to confuse the hell out of the eavesdropper, whilst taking up alternative methods of communication or something.
This makes me wonder if cryptography needs to become cleverer. I mean, depending on the type of data you're sending, might there be a role in padding encrypted streams with 'honeypot' data, like random bits of vaguely interesting crap that the expected listener might want to be interested in. Sort of a live equivalent of Truecrypt's plausible deniability.
What do people think about that?
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The whole thing strikes me as a theory in a vacuum, I don't believe that ANY quantum object is invulnerable to observation. At it's core, this is a theory on paper that has no real-world solution. It's like the perfect gas. It simply doesn't exist. And any "fix" will invariably need fixing again. When did common-sense stop making sense in science?
What's up with this box everyone has to think inside of or outside of? Why does there have to be a box?
However what happens if that "randomness" doesn't become all that random? First there is a possibility of an attacker using the same algorithm and managing to have a list of "garbage data" to ignore. Second there is a possibility of using a similar method to determine info about the system (for example, MS's version of it would probably be totally different then the Linux/*NIX version) and then move on to another attack.
Now, I admit I don't know that much about cryptography and this probably couldn't happen with more advanced methods but for simple ones this could make it be useless.
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It's quantum right? So there's really just a probability of it being broken or fixed at any given point in time...
Wait, so it was both broken AND not broken? Don't open the box! Just leave it as it is and we can have a half-cryptographic solution forever.
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The title of their paper is "Security Aspects of the Authentication Used in Quantum Cryptography." That would make an awesome title for a book that aimed to cover every single security aspect of the authentication used in QC, but not a paper that simply points out that (duh!) you shouldn't allow the eavesdropper to see the key.
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Just like the last time, the laws of quantum physics still work and it is still impossible to observe a quantum system without altering it. The researchers found that the classical authentication protocols that prevent man-in-the-middle attacks were insufficient.
This bit from the article sounds like they just added an initialization vector (see wikipedia for definition):
"The researchers propose an additional, non-quantum exchange of a small amount of random bits that are separate from the quantum key."
It doesn't matter. The moment he tries to read the stream to see whether the data is garbage or not he has changed the quantum properties and the receiver will know someone is listening. It is theoretically impossible to discern anything about the stream without being detected.
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... So, this quantum break-fix happening in this way, is what, a one-in-a-gwee-zillion event? Does that make it statistically a ... Quantum Singularity?
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There was an interesting book on cryptography which I loaned to a friend, that surmised that the law of cryptography which state that every code can be broken is now defunct due to quantum cryptography.
This in effect means that the science of cryptography has met its end in terms of development.
Like the game of checkers, there are no more moves to make.
At the time of publication (2002?), the longest distance an encrypted quantum message sent and received was approximately 50kms and considered to be impossible to break.
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I don't really get it.. why can't eve read the stream (altering it or destroying it or whatever) and send out the exact same stream- at least one that collapses to the same message (I don't know much about quantum waveforms but that at least seems possible).. a classic man in the middle
But seriously, there is a good reason unfortunately I haven't yet taken enough physics to adequately understand it much less explain it.
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What's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?
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As I don't know what I'm supposed to know about quantum cryptography, where can I find Alice and Bob to explain it to me? I feel sorry for them though. I'm always bugging them for an explanation and they always oblige. I'm really pissed off though. Every time, I want a different opinion, there they are in every book - Alice .... and .... Bob. Why must *they* always explain to me the most difficult concept in computing. If they aren't doing their jobs, as is obvious with QC, we need some new instructors. If I were either of them, I'd quit my day job. Since nobody understands QC, and anyone that does can't simplify it for the rest of us, they're setting themselves up for massive overtime or heart attack.
But how do you transmit that pad between parties?
That is exactly the point of quantum cryptography. The cryptographic key is the one time pad, negotiated between two parties, using superposition (and in some cases entanglement) in order to come to agreement on the pad and at the same time detect evesdroppers.
No, not really. QC only works over dedicated, point-to-point fibre optic lines.
Do you understand that one crucial aspect? If I want to talk to you completely securely, with quantum handshake, and able to detect eavesdroppers, I would need one uninterrupted strand of fibre from Germany to wherever you are. Screw 50kms, we're talking potentially tens of thousands of kilometres.
Or a chain of routers along the way that we both trust blindly to not be compromised, because each breaks that quantum handshake, and each is a point where someone could eavesdrop. You can't tunnel QC over such a hop, so it's a bit like having SSL only from your computer to your ISP, then have it decrypted there and re-encrypted to the next hop, and so on.
It's also pretty much against the whole idea of a network like the Internet. Since again, it needs dedicated uninterrupted point-to-point connections, not a loose mesh of routing machines. (You _could_ transmit the rest over the internet once you negotiated a key over QC, but: 1. you still need a dedicated connection for that handshake, and 2. you still need normal cryptography for the actual transmission then.)
For two John Does like us it's already pretty infeasible to go QC all the way.
Even for someone like the US Army:
1. Good luck having an all-QC connection from Washington to Baghdad. Even in 50 km segments, you need a lot of basically routers every 50 km on the ocean floor, each of them being a potential eavesdropping point. So if you ditch normal cryptography, you'd need to do... what? Park a couple of submarines near each of them to make damn sure the Russkies and Chinese don't tamper with them? Have permanent manned bases on the ocean floor every 50 km, with a company of soldiers watching each router, and watching each other so none of them can be a double agent and tamper with it?
2. And what do you do if someone drops a depth charge on one of those? You sure you don't want some regular crypto as backup?
3. That still doesn't help your communication to your airplanes, tanks, cruise missiles, etc, there. You can't tie a cable from each of them to Washington.
Etc.
So basically... well, let me put it mildly: I don't know what book you've read, or by what author, but I'd bet it wasn't written by someone who knows much about cryptography. It sounds more like the kind of predictions made by self-styled "pundits" like Cringely or Dvorak. Or, of course, any other of the many like them.
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Eve can read the stream if she already has the key and state of the transaction. She cannot read the stream in a hope to apply brute-force cracking, or similar, to it later. Naturally, if she has the key(s), and access to the medium, she can fake the identity of the sender more or less perfectly.
Again, I think I have a quantum girlfriend.
1. Alice sends the key to Bob, in the open, unencrypted, but using a random base-4 encoding. There are two states for a 1 bit and two states for a 0 bit.
2. Bob reads the key, but, due to the random encoding, he can read only half of it (you can read only if the receiver is in the same state as the sender), so Bob sees some random subset of the bits. This random subset is the key. Alice does not know which subset this is.
3. Bob transmits the configuration he used to read the stream back to Alice. Alice compares the configuration to her own configuration for sending data and derives which bits Bob saw. They now both know the key.
It is impossible to read the bits without changing them, in which case Bob will see something different from what was sent, so the keys won't match.
It is also impossible to derive the key from the configuration that is sent back by Bob because it only specifies how the bits were read, not what the bits were.
This is, of course, vulnerable to a man-in-the-middle attack, however.
The thing is you can only accurately read about 50% of the photons.
When Eve reads the message changes to 50% correct, 50% incorrect.
When Bob gets the photons his 50% will consist of 25% correct and 25% incorrect ones. (assuming true randomness)
When Alice and Bob compare there keys they will see the discrepancy.
Then the 1 and 0 are XORs with the message and then the result is sent.
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Eve cannot read the stream because 0s and 1s are sent, shall we say, in two coordinate systems (bases) randomly chosen by Alice. The receiver, be it Bob or Eve, cannot in principle measure these basis, only guess them (randomly). If you guess right, you correctly receive 0 or 1. If you guess wrong, you receive garbage. After the transmission Alice and Bob tell each other (over a classical channel) the bases they chose for each bit, and they discard the bits for which they chose different bases. Then they check (and discard) some subset of bits for discrepancies. If Eve was measuring the stream during the transmission, she would inevitably introduce errors by wrongly guessing some bases. Therefore, if error rate is higher than a certain threshold, Alice and Bob conclude that their communication was eavesdropped and discard the transmission altogether.
Then there's the separate question of Eve messing with the classical communication between Alice and Bob, but AFAIK it has also been successfully dealt with.
The stream they are talking about is the key.
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In a sense.
A number of Polarised photons are sent.
The person receiving uses one of 2 filters/readers .
Use the right filter and you get the correct bit.
Use the wrong filter and half of the time you get the correct bit and the other time you get the wrong one. This means if you incept the key you can not send the same set of photons on.
Discard the ones that you used the wrong filter on and then compare your key with the other person. (over an un-encrypted line). If there are too many errors then it has been incepted and the key is discarded.
Then using the key you can XOR binary data in a un-decodable stream which can be sent over an un-encrypted line
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Simple answer.
a one-time-pad is unbreakable but needs keys to be distrubted.
QC is used to send the keys and if it is incepted it can be detected and the key discarded.
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You are (mostly) correct. However, your example is of one relatively simple aspect of quantum mechanics. You haven't even touched on the real meat of quantum mechanics: Superposition, entanglement, action at a distance, wave-particle duality, many worlds interpretation... all that "spooky" junk. I'd like to see an intuitive, understandable explanation of that. Honestly, I would.