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New Antivirus Tests Show Rootkits Hard to Kill
ancientribe writes "Security suites and online Web scanners detect only a little more than half of all rootkits, according to new tests conducted by independent test organization AV-Test.org. Many of today's products struggle to clean up the ones they find. AV-Test.org also found that a few big name AV scanners had serious problems finding and removing active rootkits, such as Microsoft Windows Live OneCare 1.6.2111.32 and McAfee VirusScan 2008 11.2.121."
I know that AV software can be fairly intrusive, to the point that it feels like it's taking over your box, but to call Microsoft Windows Live OneCare and McAfee VirusScan rootkits seems a bit strong.
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When people create these things... isn't the intent to make them hard to detect/kill?
What this article has highlighted, though, is that a thorough study on how those rootkits got installed in the first place (especially with regard to the level of user interaction required) combined with some basic education provided to end-users within the OS could go a long way. It's the whole ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure thing. Obviously the cure is not yet up to snuff... and potentially never will be.
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from the article:
Dan Kaminsky, Director - Penetration Testing
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If you read TFA it says that some products were actually able to detect, though not remove, as many as 29 out of the 30 rootkits tested once they were installed.
That's far higher than I would have expected. I thought the whole idea of a rootkit is that it modifies/hooks the kernel to make detection from userspace practically impossible, so either they're using poor/outdated rootkits or the antivirus makers are actually doing a pretty good job of detecting them (gasp).
Personally I run virus scans from a clean windows PE disk on any windows machine I suspect to be infected anyway; partly because some malware is very good at hiding itself from the OS once it's installed, partly because it makes removal much easier, but I wouldn't read these results as being bad for (some of) the antivirus makers concerned, as the summary seems to suggest.
Thanks to all the porn sites my FRIEND goes on, it's not uncommon for my AV to pick up a virus every now and then. Usually it's able to kill the thing, but every now and then one comes along that's just a pig to get rid of.
Norton (keep in mind, last time I used it was half a decade ago, if not more) had a great habit of going "HEY! YOU'VE GOT A VIRUS!" but when you actually tell it to delete the bloody thing, it refused to do anything. What was annoying was that often you could delete it simply by killing the process, but I digress.
Every other AV I've used has been able to handle most, but to this day, every now and then a virus will come along that whatever AV I try simply can't shift, forcing me to do the ol' safe-mode delete trick (or sometimes having to boot into a different OS entirely).
I don't understand why these AV's don't pop up saying "we've found a virus, unfortunately it's going to be a pain to remove, so I can't do it for you, instead here's some instructions on what to do to get rid of it..." instead of just repeatedly popping up that the Virus is there and refusing to do anything about it....
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Try working in an area of the building labeled "Mail Insertion" (for stuffing envelopes.) It doesn't come off too well when you tell someone you work over in mail insertion, no matter how you try to emphasize the 'i' in mail.
Ah. Lazy me for not searching more closely before asking... just found this as one alternative: http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/12/avira_antivir_rescue_system.html.
I'm pretty sure it was trojaned game mods that got him instead of the usual porn sites. At least, if it was porn, he did a pretty good job hiding his tracks. :->
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Every time this subject comes up, I say the same thing.
The problem with finding and removing rootkits (and other forms of malware) is that the vendor of the OS does not provide any means of identifying what the LEGITIMATE files are.
With Ubuntu, I can boot from a LiveCD and check any file on my hard drive. What package does it belong to? Does it have the correct checksums?
Anything that cannot be identified can be moved to a different drive. A drive without run permissions.
Problem solved.
First rule of system scanning: if your system is compromised, you can't trust anything running on it including the scanning software. Any malware that's gotten far enough in to be a threat can readily trap the system functions to load programs and read the disk and the system functions used to detect trapping of system functions, allowing it to invisibly return false data to the scanning program. This was standard practice in the late 80s for viruses, see the origin of the term "stealth virus". You can scan incoming files using a scanner running on the main OS but to scan the main OS for infection you need to be running from a different boot image, one that's never been made available in a writable state to the main OS. And no, that doesn't mean a different partition on the hard drive, that's writable by the main OS even if it's not directly available as a drive. The media has to have been physically write-protected or read-only any time it's been in the drive while the main OS is running.
What I'm just waiting for is a bootable Linux CD that includes ClamAV ready-to-run.
Once a root kit has its tentacles through your system, you can't trust your system. So it just makes sense to boot a trusted system before running a malware scan.
I know enough that I could boot an Ubuntu CD, make sure clamav is installed, update it to the latest virus definitions, mount each disk volume, and then run clamav by hand. But more people could use it if this was easier.
Originally I was thinking of a CD you boot just for virus scanning. But I already carry around an Ubuntu CD to use as a utility disk (you can boot it as a RAM tester, or you can boot to a desktop to help repair a non-booting computer). And if it finds any malware you will want to fire up a web browser and read about how to clean your system. So now I think the very best thing would be for the standard Ubuntu live CD desktop to have a "scan computer for viruses" icon. Ideally it should have some kind of attractive GUI interface, but I'd settle for a scrolling text display as long as it does everything automatically.
Ideally this would also have a way to download a signed program, verify the signature, and run the program; then people could write programs that automatically clean malware off a computer.
I already give away Ubuntu CDs to friends who use Windows, and I tell them how to use them to test their RAM. It would be so cool if they could also use it to check their computers for malware. (Who knows, they might get tired of cleaning malware off their computers and try running Ubuntu someday.)
Is there any way to suggest this as a "summer of code" project or something?
steveha
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