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Amputee Sprinter Wins Olympic Appeal to Compete

Dr. Eggman writes "Oscar Pistorius, a 21-year-old South African double-amputee sprinter, has won his appeal filed with the Court of Arbitration for Sport. This overturns a ban imposed by the International Association of Athletics Federations, and allows Mr. Pistorius the chance to compete against other able-bodied athletes for a chance at a place on the South African team for the Beijing Olympics. He currently holds the 400-meter Paralympic world sprinting record, but must improve on his time by 1.01 seconds to meet the Olympic qualification standard. However, even if Pistorius fails to get the qualifying time, South African selectors could add Oscar to the Olympic 1,600-meter relay squad."

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  1. How unfair... by HetMes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to all athletes that have to drag their lower legs at each step, and not having the benefit of springlike limbs.

    1. Re:How unfair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call me sentimental, but I tend to think that the inspirational value -- to everyone, not just aspiring legless athletes -- of letting this fellow compete trumps any concerns over fairness.

      In any case, it matters not at all to me and I'm content to let the Olympic bureaucrats make whatever decision they see fit.

    2. Re:How unfair... by vertigoCiel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they think he has an unfair advantage, why don't they get their legs amputated, too?

    3. Re:How unfair... by Hankapobe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they think he has an unfair advantage, why don't they get their legs amputated, too?

      If this guy takes home a gold and considering how competitive some folks are, it wouldn't surprise me if elite athletes start getting into "accidents" and having these put on them.

    4. Re:How unfair... by NoobixCube · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is that unfair? He holds the Paralympic world record for the 400m, and he STILL has to improve on that by 1.01 seconds to meet qualification standard. I'm by no means an athlete, but I know that professional sprinters and swimmers find it so hard to improve on their own personal bests. Each second is a hardly won battle in it's self. I think he has a hard challenge ahead of him to be selected, and will still probably on place in an average middle position at the Olympics.

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    5. Re:How unfair... by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Informative

      If they think he has an unfair advantage, why don't they get their legs amputated, too?

      It's not too much of a stretch. Apparently in baseball there's something called Tommy John surgery, where a ligament in the elbow is replaced by a (stronger) ligament from the wrist. It was originally intended to deal with injuries, although after pitchers found that their performance was better than it was before the injury some healthy players have become interested in getting the surgery performed.

    6. Re:How unfair... by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this guy takes home a gold...it wouldn't surprise me if elite athletes start getting into "accidents" and having these put on them.
      I don't think it is likely to become an issue. From the summary: "He ... must improve on his time by 1.01 seconds to meet the Olympic qualification standard."

      So if I understand correctly, he has to go 1.01 seconds faster than the best he has already done to meet the minimum standard that other Olympic sprinters need to meet in order to race at the Olympics.

      Not to knock him -- it's very cool to overcome a disability and compete at the Olympics -- but it doesn't sound like he will be a top contender in the races; it sounds more like he just wants to participate in the Olympic races. In any case, I wish him the best!
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    7. Re:How unfair... by WK2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call me sentimental, but I tend to think that the inspirational value -- to everyone, not just aspiring legless athletes -- of letting this fellow compete trumps any concerns over fairness.

      Yeah, that's usually how short-term benefits over long-term consequences work. They are sentimental, feel good, and you don't really see how bad it is for a long time. The worst part is that there aren't much feel good short-term benefits. This is guy is good, but according to what I've read, including TFS, isn't quite good enough for the Olympics. So in just a years time, the only thing we will be left with is the precedent that allows cyborgs in the Olympics.

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    8. Re:How unfair... by slutsker · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Did you actually read the article? It said that the legs did not give him a mechanical advantage:

      Pistorius' lawyers countered with independent tests conducted by a team led by MIT professor Hugh M. Herr that claimed to show he doesn't gain any advantage over able-bodied runners.

      CAS said the IAAF failed to prove that Pistorius' running blades give him an advantage.

      "The panel was not persuaded that there was sufficient evidence of any metabolic advantage in favor of a double-amputee using the Cheetah Flex-Foot," CAS said. "Furthermore, the CAS panel has considered that the IAAF did not prove that the biomechanical effects of using this particular prosthetic device gives Oscar Pistorius an advantage over other athletes not using the device."


      Let's face it - if someone is qualified to compete in other respects, but needs accommodations that provide no advantage, he should be allowed to compete. This is the same standard that people have used to try and prevent those with learning disabilities from getting extra time or other accommodations.
    9. Re:How unfair... by psychodelicacy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the kind of argument which makes the question difficult to debate. I sincerely doubt anyone is saying that this guy's having his legs amputated was a good thing, or a deliberate cheat, or anything of the sort. What they are saying is that, as an unintended consequence of his physical impairment, he has found himself in the situation of having mechanical aids which put him outside the scope of the Olympics' competition specifications and potentially give him an advantage which he could not have gained from his natural physique and training alone.

      By translating that into "they say that having your legs amputated is an advantage, the insensitive clods", you skew the argument in the direction of disability rights, which is really not what it's about at all.

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    10. Re:How unfair... by krazytekn0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think about it this way... You cut off your leg that means you have less body mass to support, meaning you don't have to eat as much or have as big of an impact on the planet. Cutting off your legs is not only a good way to get ahead in athletics but it's GREEN too!!!

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  2. Aperture Science is branching out, I see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since they can't compete with Black Mesa, now they're in the sporting equipment business?

    Look out Nike.

  3. Cyborg Olympics by neomunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sweet. Now I'm gonna go get my left arm hacked off and get a harpoon launcher installed for the javelin throw.

    Or, to put it in a way slashdot understands...

    1: Get amputation(s).
    2: Get prosthetics with a mechanical advantage over mere flesh.
    3: ???
    4: Profit!

    1. Re:Cyborg Olympics by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just make sure you always masturbate with the OTHER hand.

      Trust me on this one.

    2. Re:Cyborg Olympics by krazytekn0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Guy who had cancer != guy is disabled

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  4. Some Day by KidKadaver · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someday, we'll look back at this event, with the power of hindsight and wonder how we failed to see the Cyborg War coming.

  5. PDF of full decision by wanax · · Score: 4, Informative
    can be found here.

    I personally think this is the right decision. While obviously there is a line where replacement turns into enhancement, unless it's clearly crossed I'm in favor of letting everybody who has the ability compete. The IAAF did not show that there was enhancement (and even so, his best 400m time of 46.56s is over a second off the Olympic qualifying time of 45.55s).

    My favorite part, where the panel finds that the IAAF biased the testing against him, and then told the press they were DQ'ing him before voting on it is here:

    60. At this stage, in the Panel's view, the process began to go "off the rails". The correspondence between the IAAF nad Prof. Bruggemann shos that his instructions were to carry out the testing only when Mr Pistorius was running in a straight line after the acceleration phase. By the time that the IAAF commissioned the Cologne tests it was known that this was the part of the race in which Mr Pistorius usually ran at his fastest.

    61. [...] IAAF's officials must have known that, by excluding the start and the acceleration phase, the results would create a distorted view of Mr Pistorius' advantages and/or disadvantages. [...]

    62. The stori is not enhances by the fact that Dr. Robert Gailey, the scientist nominated by Mr Pistorius [...] was effectively "frozen out" to such an extent that he declined to attend the Cologne tests. He was informed that he would be allowed to attend only as an observer, with no input on the testing protocol or on the analysis.

    68. The impression of prejudgement is also enhanced by the fact that Dr. Locatelli and other IAAF officials told the press before the vote was taken that Mr Pistorius would be banned from IAAF sanctioned events.

    70. In the Panel's view, the manned in which the IAAF hendled the situation of MR Pistorius in the period from July 2007 to January 2008 fell short of the high standards that the international sporting community is entitield to expect from a federation such as the IAAF.
  6. So where do you draw the line ? by erlehmann · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Artificial limbs, I see that. Now what is with someone who had laser surgery on his eyes so he/she can see better ? Would you ban that person from a shooting match ? Even if he/she still can't see better than a top athlete ? If the person can see on par ? Or better ?

    In the end, the questions we should ask ourselves probably are not about fairness but about the purpose of such games.

    1. Re:So where do you draw the line ? by megaditto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the end, the questions we should ask ourselves probably are not about fairness but about the purpose of such games. Main purpose: Milking the cash of pseudo-patriotic idiots.

      Nailed it, didn't I? Be honest now...
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  7. this is ridiculous by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    clearly these artificial limbs store kinetic energy in a radically different way. the biomechanics are obviously different. he's using different muscle groups. watch a video of him, and he clearly starts off slower than everyone else, and then speeds up a lot faster than everyone else: he's running on springs

    god bless the guy, he's a phenomenal athlete. but he shouldn't be allowed to compete with runners with real feet. he's playing checkers when everyone else is playing blackjack. what he is doing is just not the same sport as what the other guys on the track are doing. and so he shouldn't compete with them. not because he doesn't deserve to just because he doesn't have feet, but simply because he's playing a different biomechanical game

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    1. Re:this is ridiculous by icegreentea · · Score: 4, Informative

      Normally when running, you tense up certain muscles just before foot strike, so your muscles acts like a spring to release part of that energy afterward. Normally, this means that you get tired cause your muscles are constantly in use (active energy storage). His legs are so set up so that they passively store this energy. He does not need put any effort into that part of the stride.

      Not only that, the leg below the knee's importance in sprinting is relatively minor. Aside that the ankle/calf acting as an active shock absorber, nearly all the leg's energy is spent in the upper leg to drive the entire leg forward. His legs are considerably lighter than real human legs, and very much does make him run completely different.

      Pistorius really does run differently. Because of the way his legs are constructed, his maximal running speed may never reach that of an unamputated human being, but his efficiency is beyond anything anyone else can achieve. He's running speed (measured in 10m segments) is far more consistent then any other runner, because he can maintain his full speed for much longer and with relatively less effort than anyone else.

      This is not to say that he is an amazing athlete. He is. He has overcome incredible challenges, and he deserves recognition. But he does not belong in the Olympics the way that they are formulated right now. His artificial allow him to achieve feats of efficiency that simply cannot be reached with any human body no matter how well born and trained. I feel that many are letting themselves being clouded by the emotional aspect of this issue, and ignoring that this would be like letting someone on rollarblades grafted onto their feet compete in a standard track event.

  8. Re:Doping goes to a whole new level by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ever watch that stupid robot battle show?

    The O'Reilly factor?

  9. While you two losers are duking it out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll have a Sybian installed on mine.

  10. Re:i'm an amputee too by Slashdot+Suxxors · · Score: 5, Funny

    You run on bicycles??

  11. That's fine... by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...if they're letting regular athletes compete in the disabled categories as well. After all, what's good for the goose...

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  12. inspiration v. tech by filthpickle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the issue isn't this guy.....the issue is the precedent it sets. /. should be completely onboard with the olympic committe. In 50 years we WILL have cyborg legs....should that be allowed in the olympics?

    I want a separate olympics.......an entertain me monkey olympics.

    1. Re:inspiration v. tech by couchslug · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "In 50 years we WILL have cyborg legs....should that be allowed in the olympics?"

      Standardize all the legs and inspect them the way NASCAR does cars. Restrict those with cyborg legs to racing in their own class.

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    2. Re:inspiration v. tech by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What if I have a pair of shoes that can simulate the extra springiness that were similar to these artificial "legs"? I'm sure many sports groups would disqualify me for having non-standard or unfair equipment.

      Granted, this guy isn't so good with these artificial legs that he's going to get a medal, or even qualify. But the idea that the rules that apply to an abled bodied person can be changed in a competitive sport to accommodate someone with disabilities just seems wrong.

      What next, someone running a marathon with an oxygen bottle because of a medical condition? Maybe Tee Ball at the Olympics?

      Inspirational is when someone overcomes their limitations at the Paralympics; not when someone asks the IAAF to change the rules.

    3. Re:inspiration v. tech by psychodelicacy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely. It might be inspirational to see a dyslexic child competing in a spelling bee with the aid of a spellchecker, but it's hardly the point of the competition. The point of the Olympics is to look at the extremes which the human body can achieve. Whether prosthetics are an advantage or a disadvantage is almost beside the point, which is that they go beyond the remit and the purpose of the competition.

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    4. Re:inspiration v. tech by penguin+king · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he has overcome his limitations at the Paralympics given he's the current champion (summary), so now he wants a crack at this. I say let him have it, if he's not already running circles around everyone I fail to see the advantage, if they allow it, they can always moderate/restrict classes later, there wouldn't be much point whilst there is only one of him to have a seperate race would there? I don't see why we shouldn't have mens races, womens races and `able amputees` races.

    5. Re:inspiration v. tech by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if he's not already running circles around everyone I fail to see the advantage,

      He's not running circles around everyone else, because the rest of his body isn't up to it.
      What if we put cybernetic legs on the current second or third place dude? Might he then be the world record holder, solely because of the artificial legs?

    6. Re:inspiration v. tech by hibji · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would like to argue that olympics are not only about the human body. It is also very much about technology. Think of the skis and the fancy swim suits used in the swim competitions. Of more relevance are the spiked running shoes used by the runners. They offer a huge advantage. Sports are very much intertwined with technology. It is simply that for this athlete the line in drawn at a different point.

    7. Re:inspiration v. tech by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Restrict those with cyborg legs to racing in their own class.

      Sure... that's where this guy used to be competing (in the Paralympic Games). The issue is whether he should be competing in the Olympic Games "class".

    8. Re:inspiration v. tech by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the line needs to be drawn at the point where something *replaces* part of the human body, rather than being *added* to it (as with skis, etc.) Also, in the case of those high-tech *additions*, everyone has exactly the same opportunity to use them. Of course, this could change -- frex, let *every* runner use spring-loaded gear! surely the same principle could be fitted to an intact leg and foot.

      Otherwise, as someone above mentioned, you lose the whole point of the Olympics: to demonstrate what the =human= body can achieve.

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    9. Re:inspiration v. tech by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Replace "handicapped" with "black" above and you'll get a better perspective of what my views are.
      Replace "handicapped" with "black" and you're talking about an entirely different issue with entirely different problems. the issue here is not the equality of races/different ethnicities, but rather the level playing field that is required for fair competition.

      I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that competitions like the Olympics should be open to all humans, as long as they have not flouted the rules to get an unfair advantage.
      Which strangely enough, no-one disagrees with. Read the comments and you'll see that people have an issue with the unfair advantage that prosthetics/cybernetics provide.

      Anyway, while it's nice that handicapped folk have the option of competing in special events, wouldn't it be infinitely better to (assuming they qualified) let them compete in the actual mainstream event?
      Only if they can do so without the aid of technology. What's the difference between this case and someone 'running' a marathon in a wheelchair?

      Especially since -- athletes have been using technology to improve their performance since, well, forever. Would you disqualify an archer for wearing glasses (Archery is IIRC an Olympic event)? Would you disqualify an athlete for wearing a pacemaker implant (assuming he got it for sound medical reasons and he's fit enough to perform?)
      Glasses are an aid to an existing organ that imperfectly correct a problem without altering how vision works beyond what is possible for a normal eye. Pacemakers ensure that an existing heart beats normally, just like a regular heart.

      If not, what's wrong with allowing a guy born without legs to wear blades?
      Because they're not fixing an imperfection in an existing limb/organ without altering how it fundamentally works; they're replacing limbs and fundamentally changing how they work in a way that is not available to able-bodied people. If someone had a cybernetic eye fitted or a cybernetic heart, I'd take issue with them competing. This isn't about rights because we're not discussing people taking part in society. This is a competition which requires a level playing field and therefore precludes those with an unnatural advantage. If handicapped people want to compete, they should do so without prosthetics/cybernetics/wheelchairs/etc. To suggest otherwise is either political correctness taken to absurd extremes or would require the rules to be relaxed to a much greater extent to allow other aids, which completely changes the nature of the competition.
  13. Performance enhancing - legs vs drugs by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So in just a years time, the only thing we will be left with is the precedent that allows cyborgs in the Olympics. Actually the more immediate and interesting question is how do they justify this in the face of their ban on performance enhancing drugs? Cold and heartless maybe but I cannot see a logical difference between performance enhancing legs (and they ARE unquestionably performance enhancing) and performance enhancing drugs. Forget cyborgs 50 years from now, there is a double standard now because of this ruling.

    Look, I wasn't born with legs that can run at Olympic sprinter speeds either. Why should this guy get a free pass when I don't just because he was born with a birth defect? Envy? Maybe (probably) but I was a pretty good athlete many moons ago (yes a few of us are here on Slashdot... save your insults) and I would have liked a shot at the Olympics too. While he's not cheating (I greatly admire what he's accomplished) I think there is a double standard here. Most of us are not born with the ability to be Olympic athletes. That's supposedly the entire point. Perhaps not anymore?
    1. Re:Performance enhancing - legs vs drugs by HybridJeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, if you really wanted too you could et your legs chopped off and attach a pair of cheetas instead.

    2. Re:Performance enhancing - legs vs drugs by Reziac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And how long is it before some otherwise-healthy person has their legs amputated so they too can be a spring-loaded sprinter, because they feel that will give them that final edge they need to make the Olympics?

      Don't think it won't happen. Obsessed athletes are among the absolute worst for ignoring long-term consequences in favour of short-term goals.

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  14. A wrestling parallel by zarathud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend of mine wrestled in high school and likes to tell the story about the toughest match he ever had. His opponent was an amputee: one arm missing. This gave him several advantages.
        - his weight class was effectively lowered
        - many moves would became ineffective against him (you can't grab an arm if it isn't there).
        - years of living with one arm had made that arm very, very strong. This combined with the weight class issue meant that his arm was generally absurdly stronger that his opponent's.
        - surprise. Most folks had no experience wrestling a one-armed opponent and were not prepared. It changed the game.

    Of course, there were also disadvantages. Many moves require two arms, and his armless side was a zone he could not reach into. My friend was able to capitalize on this, attacking from the armless side. In the end, my friend won, but not easily.

    All this without prosthetics even.

    Do I think this guy and an unfair advantage? Well no. But it is not an easy situation to analyze.

  15. Re:a big stretch by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative
    Um... sorry to offend? I admittedly don't know much about the surgery and its use, but this NY Times article had some more interesting tidbits:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/sports/baseball/20surgery.html

    The procedure is commonly known as Tommy John surgery, named after the former major league pitcher on whom it was first performed in 1974. The surgery has become so reliable, with a success rate of 80 to 85 percent, that it has prolonged the careers of hundreds of major leaguers. About one in seven pitchers in the major leagues this season has had the surgery.

    Yet, several leading orthopedists say there are some troubling aspects to the procedure. First, it is becoming more commonplace among teenage pitchers who are injuring their arms through overuse at what surgeons call an alarming rate.

    Second, the surgery's reliability has spawned misconceptions that a healthy arm can be enlivened by the surgery and that the procedure will increase an injured pitcher's velocity, making him better than ever.

    The success of the surgery, and the resulting myths, are prompting young pitchers with marginal injuries, or overly optimistic assessments of their talent, to push for Tommy John surgery when they might not have in the past, doctors said.

    Dr. Petty mentioned one patient, a minor leaguer whose elbow injury did not appear to warrant surgery, who later trumped up his symptoms and had the procedure performed by another physician. ... ... Some parents and young pitchers, hoping for college scholarships or multimillion-dollar professional contracts, misguidedly view the surgery as a performance-enhancement technique instead of a last-resort corrective procedure, said Matt Poe, a speed and strength coach in Nashville. ... ... Yet that appears to be a growing, if mistaken, notion. Dr. Petty and Poe, the strength coach, polled high school and college players with healthy arms in Nashville last month, asking if they believed that Tommy John surgery would allow them to throw the ball faster. Nine of the 46 respondents answered yes.

    One of them was Jeff Hughes, 18, who will pitch at Austin Peay State University beginning this fall. Nick Hiter, who has coached Hughes, said the pitcher's father, Pete Hughes, once asked him: " 'What about that Tommy John surgery? I hear it makes you throw harder. If it works, we'd consider it.' "