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20% of U.S. Population Has Never Used Email

Ezratrumpet writes "A recent PC World article notes that 20 percent of the U.S. population has never sent an email. Does this number over- or underestimate the actual number of people who know nothing of email? What are the implications of this statistic to our society? Or are these people just Luddites who mourned the demise of the telegraph and have also never used a telephone?"

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  1. A life without spam by LoadWB · · Score: 4, Funny

    So there are 20% of Americans who wonder why in the world Hormel would be sending canned ham to people, and still complain about the amount of junk mail they receive via the USPS.

    Amazing.

  2. Households, not population by RonnyJ · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's 18% of all households, not 20% of the US population.

    1. Re:Households, not population by DigitAl56K · · Score: 4, Funny

      Darnit, I am going to have to RTFA. I want to know if they send and receive text messages. HI I R NIGERIAN, I HAVE $200K, NEED UR BANK DETAILS FOR TRANSACTION, HURRY, U WILL B RICH!
    2. Re:Households, not population by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just as a side: When I wrote this I did so in humor, but it does hold an element of interest. People who have never used e-mail are going to be far more susceptible to scams that those who have used e-mail have become well aware of and learned to ignore. The art will be in perpetrating them over forms such as SMS, which allows only short messages, successfully. I would say 1/5 people a reasonably large target population.

  3. So? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are the implications of this statistic to our society? None. If people needed to use e-mail then they would use e-mail. The summary seems to imply that if you've never sent an e-mail there is something wrong with you or you fail at life. I can think of plenty of careers that don't even involve working with computers, and some people like to enjoy a more "disconnected" lifestyle.

    Or are these people just Luddites who mourned the demise of the telegraph and have also never used a telephone? I don't know, TFA doesn't seem to mention that. Why don't you accuse them of being illiterate freaks or something while you're at it?

    From TFA:

    "Many people just don't see a reason to use computers and do not associate technology with the needs and demands of their daily lives," Barrett said. Shocker.
    1. Re:So? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why does everything come down to carbon emissions lately, and what does that have to do with the summary. But sure, I'll bite. You're using e-mail. The entire time you're writing it you're sitting at a computer using between 150W and 300W (typical). Probably half a dozen devices between your computer and the destination server are responsible for transmitting the packets over long distances (your modem, the various routers and mail servers). The NSA intercepts your e-mail, automatically runs AI on it in a massive data farm, which uses quite a lot of CPU time. Meanwhile a letter is read with zero power emissions at both ends, and it is transported with tens of thousands of other letters, the inefficient part of the transport being only near the local destination.

      But honestly, I just pulled that out of my ass, and so did you, and probably so will anyone else who replies. But that will still be more interesting than the questions raised in the summary..

    2. Re:So? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, computers are very useful tools in *any* lifestyle and they help save a lot of time and resources. Living without computers and e-mail these days is nearly as cumbersome as being illiterate. Let me temporarily step into the shoes of Joe Shmoe. I get up in the morning, brush my teeth, take a shower, get dressed and head out to my construction job. I work hard for 8-9 hours. During the day I grab some coffee and some lunch. I listen to the radio. I come home to my wife at night, picking up some groceries on the way. We have dinner together. I go hang out with the guys at the bar for a while, we chat about the game on TV and whether we like Hillary or Obama better. I head back home, help put the kids to bed and turn in.

      Why do I need to use a computer, and what is the big difference it's going to make in my life?

      I often feel sad that I'm so tied to the computer and similar devices - there are plenty of people out there who I feel live a fuller life than I do simply because they're not attached so heavily to computers. While we're sitting here writing to each other on Slashdot about people who don't use e-mail, others who perhaps don't use e-mail are spending time with their families and friends. I would not say I'm envious of people who don't use e-mail, but I can see the positive side of it.
    3. Re:So? by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      let me add some of the parts you left out of Joe Shmoe's life.

      Saturday morning:
      I noticed the car was running funny ever since my last fillup and now the check engine light is on. Being a pretty talented mechanic I have checked everything over and it all looked fine, but the spark plug on number 3 cylinder was fouled. I have cleaned and now the engine is running smooth. That damn light is still on though. I'd really like to just reset it and see if it comes back. I am sure there is an easy way and that that Google thing everyone is talking about could tell me but since I don't have a computer I am going to have to spend 2 hours making phone calls to local shops and the manufactures tech center until I can find someone who will tell me how to do this, oh well there goes Saturday.

      Sunday Morning:
      On the way home from warship the wife tells me she has notices our savings account has not been growing as fast lately. She is concerned about our future retirement and sending the kids to college. What are we spending so much money on all of a sudden? She and I would like to know. I keep pretty good records and receipts. I can tell you what are balances are without calling the bank, ok I don't know exactly when that last interest payment got credited. My paper ledger does a great job. Its odd though combing my eyes over it I don't see any unusal expense. Have gas and groceries just gone up that much? Well let me get out the calculator and start totaling those specif items up over the past few months and then flip back to this time last year and do the same. Yep that is where the money went. That only took half an hour, not to shabby, although Jim at work said he has this MickySoft Cash program that lets him do that stuff instantly on his computer. It might be nice I don't know.

      I have no problem with people not wanting to use computers. Its a choice and this is a free society. I do think pretty much Adult living in the United States could extract some value from owning one and knowing how to use it. Maybe you don't need e-mail specifically or anyone one application in particular for that matter depending on who you are what you do. That is fine too. I would even venture to guess the average machine from 1990 and the software to go with it is plenty for most people, at least if it was still in good working order. Lets no even pretend though that anyone not living an extremely exceptional life style like monasticism can't find something to offer them in the last 20 years of personal computing.

      I still you FrameWork under the does emulator on my Linux box for most of my financial record keeping. It does exactly what I need. I have macros to import csv files from my bank and the like, just like quicken. I wrote those when I was to young and poor to by that software otherwise I might have.

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    4. Re:So? by iocat · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Some people *LIKE* being connected to electronic devices. If I don't want to get emails, I guess I could turn off my Blackberry, but... I LIKE GETTING MY EMAIL RIGHT AWAY. I love my Blackberry. It rules.

      I like computers. I like email. I like SMS. I like videogames. Hell, I like watching TELEVISION.

      I don't understand this "computers are evil" meme that rises up at slashdot -- what the hell are you doing on this site, or working in tech, if you don't like computers or electronic devices? Unless, you're the kind of 'phone it in' asshats that make my working life less enjoyable -- not saying you are, but what the fuck?

      I've taken vacations and turned off my phone, left the game systems behind, and gone someplace with no TV. It was nice and peaceful, just kicking it and reading books. I love me some books -- probably my favorite leisure activity.

      But I've never been happier to come back from a vacation! Cell phones rule. Videogames rule. Email lets me interact with my wife about a million times more than I would if we didn't have it. Social networks enable me to stay involved in the lives of friends who live thousands of miles away -- and have them involved in my life too. Videogames let me interact with my son on levels I couldn't otherwise. Computers rule. I don't think my laptop has been more than 10 or 20 feet from me, other than if I'm out to eat, in months. Cell phones -- don't get me started! Do you remember trying to coordinating meeting up at a location before cell phones? It sucked! Cell phones are freaking sweet. My phone gives me directions, it tells me where traffic is, it enables email, people can call me on it. It has all my friends' contact info. It connects to the Web. It has an MP4 of the moon landing I can watch when I'm bored. It has MP3s of my favorite songs I can listen to. It's fucking rad!

      Technology: It's a good thing!!

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  4. You think that's stupid? by religious+freak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People still RENT their phones...
    http://www.clientleasingservices.com/

    750,000 of them, according to usatoday...
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-09-14-phone_x.htm

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  5. Shocked?! by sysusr · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to http://www.internetworldstats.com/am/us.htm:

    Internet Usage Statistics
    215,935,529 Internet users as of Dec/07, 71.7% of the population, according to Nielsen//NetRatings

    Latest Population Estimate
    301,139,947 population for 2007, according to the Census Bureau. If 28.3% of the population aren't internet users, why is it a surprise that 20% haven't sent an email?
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  6. Far, far worse: by johannesg · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just about 100% of all young, single females have never sent email to me!

  7. It was a Phone Survey by Metallic+Vortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article says that it was a phone survey. This means: 1: The people are obviously not "Luddites who mourned the demise of the telegraph and have also never used a telephone", since they used a phone to answer the survey questions. 2: Most of the tech-savvy people I know don't even have land lines. They use cell phones or things like Skype, which are difficult to survey for various reasons. The people who go those routes have generally used email. Therefore, the sample population was already skewed toward people who wouldn't have used email anyway.

  8. 10 years.... by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To put this into some form of perspective, strange here on Slashdot I know, but in reality for most people internet became a potential reality around 1998 (AOL going onto the internet from its walled garden) or at best 1996. So maybe another way to look at this study would be

    From zero to 80% in 10/12/15 years, how the US has embraced email

    Sure lots of the people here on Slashdot might have had an email account in the 80s, but that is an insignificant minority. I actually think that it is pretty impressive at 80% penetration given some of the literacy issues in the US education system.

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  9. poverty part of the cause? by DMoylan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

    Poverty in the United States is cyclical in nature with roughly 12% to 15% living below the federal poverty line at any given point in time, and roughly 40% falling below the poverty line at some time within a 10 year time span.

    if you are living below the poverty line then a computer and the increasingly large amount of power it uses are a unavailable luxury.

  10. Why call them Luddites? by Secrity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are people who see no need to have a computer being called Luddites? I don't know that any of these people are opposed to progress, they simply don't have access to email equipment or don't use email even if they have access.

    My mom and dad are definitely not Luddites, my mom used to be a Cobol programmer and my dad taught me electronics when I was small; they simply don't see any need for a computer in their home. They have cell phones, a 5.1 channel sound system, and DirectTV; but no computer.

    When people see no need for televisions in their homes, should they also be called Luddites?

  11. Choice? by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The summary, even leaving aside its tone, is flawed in that it seems to presuppose this is by choice.

    I think people underestimate the amount of poverty - even in the US, where the official definition of poor still most often includes obesity, a car, 2 televisions, airconditioning, and other things seen as luxuries across most of the world.

    If you have a family of 4, and are making a combined income of ~$30k/year, and have payments to make for housing/car/food/medical, you might be stretching to pay the PHONE bill much less have luxury money to spend on frivolities like a web connection. And yes, they are frivolities: if all of your friends are in similar financial circumstances, you have even less incentive because they aren't going to be online EITHER. Finally, even the web is squeezing these folks out - browsing by modem SUCKS, and it seems that more and more sites are building fancy flash front-ends that take minutes to d/l at modem speeds.

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  12. And the illiteracy rate is... by mraiser · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...approximately 20% A government study showed that 21% to 23% of adult Americans were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States)

  13. I'll bet 20% havn't used mail of any kind ... by SpinyNorman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to this Newsweek article from 2002, in 2002 44M of the (then approx. 280M) US population were functionally illiterate.

    http://www.shashitharoor.com/articles/newsweek/illiterate.php

    From other sources about 11-12% of the US population is below the official poverty level, and I'll bet there's only partial overlap of that figure will the functionally illiterate group.

    From that perspective 80% of households using e-mail seems remarkably high, especially for such a new technology with such a high barrier (computer ownership/literacy, internet access, intellectual curiosity) to entry.