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Using Magnets To Turn Off the Brain's Speech Center

An editor for the Telegraph, Roger Highfield, recently volunteered to allow a UK researcher to shut off the speech center of his brain with a high-powered magnetic pulse. Regular speech is controlled by a section of the brain called Broca's area. Once the precise location is determined in the subject, a magnetic pulse can temporarily disrupt speech without impairing other cognitive functions. The link contains a video in which you can watch Highfield stutter and twitch while attempting to recite a nursery rhyme. A later test shows that he's able to sing the rhyme without difficulty, since singing is controlled in a different part of the brain (as you may remember from Scott Adams' speech disorder). Researchers believe that the ability to stimulate or quell activity in specific areas of the brain may help in treating conditions like epilepsy and migraine headaches.

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  1. My wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    needs a zappie!

    1. Re:My wife by Deadfyre_Deadsoul · · Score: 5, Funny

      Next, they will make a super big magnet in space and be able to make an entire continent shut up....

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    2. Re:My wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, every man has a special tool to turn off the speech center of a woman's face. Works like a key. Just insert and voila. Instant peace and quiet.

    3. Re:My wife by omeomi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Next, they will make a super big magnet in space and be able to make an entire continent shut up....

      Then I won't look so silly in my tin-foil hat, now will I?

    4. Re:My wife by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      This would be perfect to install on the TV remote, that way you can turn the game up and turn her down at the same time, and never have to leave the comfy chair.

      Why is it that women ALWAYS seem to want to have (what they think is) an 'important' conversation right in the middle of a good football or basketball game? Do they do that intentionally to piss us off?

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    5. Re:My wife by Instine · · Score: 1

      Actually the edicurrents induced in the foil would probably melt the aluminium into your scull. So a bit silly ;)

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    6. Re:My wife by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      not if you ground the tinfoil , like you should we every faraday cage .

      Make sure your ground it with a wire of less then 30 ohm

    7. Re:My wife by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Funny

      nope, its because as soon as you start watching the football, she discovers how incredibly boring it is, and turns the the first thing she finds most interesting: how you 'feel'.

      Similarly, when you and your wife find yourselves with a spare moment, and she starts to talk about your relationship, you find it incredibly boring and turn to the thing you find most interesting: what's on the TV.

    8. Re:My wife by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      I don't think grounding makes a difference.

    9. Re:My wife by tepples · · Score: 1

      Why is it that women ALWAYS seem to want to have (what they think is) an 'important' conversation right in the middle of a good football or basketball game? Because they own TiVo stock and they want you to buy a TiVo DVR. One workaround is to ask the woman to write it down, promising that you'll read it at the next commercial break.
    10. Re:My wife by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...ground it with a wire

      I now have a mental image of a paranoid nerd tethered to a point like a dog in a yard. Instead of barking at passers by, he babbles about faked moon landings and Monty Python sketches.

    11. Re:My wife by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      You must be referring to an empty credit card!

    12. Re:My wife by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Funny

      You stick your credit card in your wife's mouth? ... That's just weird.

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    13. Re:My wife by PenguinBob · · Score: 1

      Where can I give money for this idea?

    14. Re:My wife by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Uhm. Yes?

      I got one to admit it once (a co worker), she said she did it to feel "special" by commandeering the attention of her boyfriend when he was fixated on something else.

    15. Re:My wife by Tychon · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's weird is that she spits out receipts.

    16. Re:My wife by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "I got one to admit it once (a co worker), she said she did it to feel "special" by commandeering the attention of her boyfriend when he was fixated on something else."

      And that my friend, is another reason to never get married. She starts pulling shit like that...you kick her to the road and find a new 'model' that won't bother you like that with petty games. If you're not married...you don't lose half your shit either....

      :-)

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    17. Re:My wife by tristian_was_here · · Score: 1

      just buy a bottle of gin, probably lot cheaper

    18. Re:My wife by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

      Heh, this may explain why geniuses stop being productive after they get married. The wife keeps interrupting thier thought processes...intentionally.

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    19. Re:My wife by jasonjacks0n · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then I won't look so silly in my tin-foil hat, now will I?

      Of course you will. But at least nobody will be able to say so.

      :)

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    20. Re:My wife by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      be able to make an entire continent shut up....

      I'm nowhere near as ambitious as you. I only want one that can make the people in the seats in front and behind me in the train shut up when I'm trying to get a bit of sleep in on the trip home.

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    21. Re:My wife by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Do they do that intentionally to piss us off? No, to the best of my understanding (and ever ever will they admit it, usually even to themselves) it's because women, like cats, MUST be the center of attention. If you're not paying her attention then you could be losing interest in her, and that's bad.

      I can spend all morning sipping a coffee and browsing wikipedia, and my fiancee will be happy to read a book / troll the WoW forums / whatever, pretty much ignoring me. The moment I start typing a slashdot post she wants to explain the back story and entire plot of the book she's reading. The other night when I was trying to tank a heroic instance in WoW (something that requires a modicum of concentration), as I pulled the first boss she started reading wikipedia out loud to me. All of it. With spot quizzes. For the next half hour.

      I *know* it's not deliberate (and some women do play stupid power games, demanding attention at the worst possible moment to prove to themselves that they're in control, but this isn't that), it just seems to be an instinctive response. And it's 100% reproducible - the moment I actually start concentrating on something else, she wants my attention. I've started mentally counting backwards from 10 at the beginning of any such activity, and I usually end up getting to around 2 or 3 before she interrupts.
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    22. Re:My wife by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      A taser should suffice for shutting her up.

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    23. Re:My wife by metamechanical · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, grounding would only help for an electric field - the field would (basically) stop, and the current induced would travel down your connection (although, I'm not sure this would work even then, because one of the things required for an electric field system like this would be a common ground point).

      A magnetic field doesn't care terribly about grounds, it only cares about a current loop.

      It's moot anyhow, though, because you'd need an incredibly strong magnet to do this... and... well good luck with that.

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    24. Re:My wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you told her you feel horny? :)

    25. Re:My wife by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      Don't paranoid nerds already do that? :p

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    26. Re:My wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loo.. loo.. look at that, um, guy with, the, um, whatsit, tin roof, no, tin, um, thing on his, whatchamacallit, you know.

    27. Re:My wife by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Do they do that intentionally to piss us off?

      Yes, but by "intentional" I don't mean that they have to give it any thought, any more than you have to plan out how to move your feet when you walk. It just comes naturally to them, just like moving your stuff so you have to ask them where it is.

      Women are devious creatures. They WANT to piss you off, and a man's being annoyed is a punishable offense in woman's eyes. Man aren't ever allowed to be angry, so thay are delighted to piss you off so they can have the upper hand in whatever game she's playing.

      She does that when she wants something. Which with most woman is always.

      mcgrew's law: Women are evil, men are stupid.

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    28. Re:My wife by digitalsolo · · Score: 1

      Suddenly the Faraday cage I built into my house doesn't seem like such a waste. Now, if I can only figure out why I can't pick up OTA television...

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    29. Re:My wife by xappax · · Score: 1

      Yes, Slashdot. Please tell me the ways of these mysterious "women" you understand so well.

      Seriously though, I hope nobody's actually reading these school-yard blusterings about what all women are like for real information.

      Everyone has gripes about their spouse, but only opinionated know-it-alls generalize them into "rules" which apply to everyone's spouse.

    30. Re:My wife by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      you kick her to the road and find a new 'model' that won't bother you like that with petty games

      In all my fifty six years of breathing I've never met such a woman. Maybe out of the three billion females on earth there are one or two, but afaik they're more rare than unicorns. Like Heinlein said and somebody's sig quotes, "women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs need to get used to the idea."

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    31. Re:My wife by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      This was happening to me. In the end my solution was to just turn off the TV and set the remote aside. I sat up and turned to squarely face her and only her and listened attentively to what she had to say. No snide remarks or annoyance either. It's pretty clear that I interrupted what I was occupied with and put else everything aside to focus on what she apparently was dead set on talking about right and now.

      She apparently noticed 2 things. That if she really needed my attention on something important, she could have it; no need for her to be insecure about where she stands among my priorities. The other thing is that her choice of timing was clearly disruptive because I had to drop what I was doing in order to focus. Since she doesn't need to keep testing to assuage her insecurity any longer, she can just wait for a better time. Perhaps she's just especially perceptive, but this worked for me.

    32. Re:My wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is always the chance your head will explode--like when you put metal in a microwave...

    33. Re:My wife by pugugly · · Score: 1

      I'm so sick and tired of hearing you brag about your tinfoil hat. If only there was some way to shut you up about that . . . oh, hey . . .

      {Grin} - Pug

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  2. seen the video... by zr-rifle · · Score: 5, Funny

    pff... real networks have been doing this stuttering thing since 1995.

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    1. Re:seen the video... by dfedfe · · Score: 1
      Actually transcranial magnetic stimulation has been around since the mid 1980s.

      But I bet that TMS has a similar effect on computers...

    2. Re:seen the video... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, if everyone was zapped like this, you'd have to sing anything you want to say.

      That would turn the whole world into a musical! BUHAHAHAHA!

      tribute to that buffy episode.

    3. Re:seen the video... by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But I bet that TMS has a similar effect on computers...

      It's funny that you mention that. I do TMS research on visual areas and often have participants staring at a CRT screen while we apply TMS. One of the things we have to keep in mind is to time the TMS pulse while the vertical refresh is at the top of the screen, otherwise we get annoying screen artifacts (which look like a horizontal line) caused by the TMS pulse deflecting the beam from the electron gun inside the CRT.

    4. Re:seen the video... by ozbird · · Score: 1

      One of the things we have to keep in mind is to time the TMS pulse while the vertical refresh is at the top of the screen, otherwise we get annoying screen artifacts (which look like a horizontal line) caused by the TMS pulse deflecting the beam from the electron gun inside the CRT.

      Or you could use an LCD display?

    5. Re:seen the video... by kesuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and not continue using the same working equipment until it fails? LCDs only became 'affordable' compared to CRTs when Sony stopped making CRTs and switched to LCDs...

      also, LCDs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_crystal_display act on electric polarization, I've never exposed one to high magnetic fields, but is is entirely with in the realm of completely possible that a large surge of magnetic energy pulse could completely render the display illegible... the distortion could be as a result of 'induction' of internal electronic components...

      ah here we go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indium_Tin_Oxide clearly states, ITO can be used as 'EMI shielding' suggesting that it would be black out by large magnetic pulses.

      ITO is also used in 'plasma' displays, so it seems that 'CRTs' are the only display type that can be 'timed' around large magnetic pulses...

    6. Re:seen the video... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why not use an lcd monitor?

    7. Re:seen the video... by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Newer LCDs are getting better at this, but the main problem is response latencies: it can be problematic to present something like a 10ms flash at a precise time. Another problem is contrast ratios, particularly the difficulty of getting a really deep black.

    8. Re:seen the video... by ComaVN · · Score: 1

      They got
      The mustard
      Oooooooouuuuuuuut!

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  3. Thank god for the 1st amendment by arse+maker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can imagine govememnts using it matrix style "What good is a phone call if you can't speak, mr anderson?"

    1. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      What good is a phone call if you can't speak, mr anderson?"

      thank goodness for the anti government-mind-control properties of texting, video messages, IM and email!

    2. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      You can imagine govememnts using it matrix style "What good is a phone call if you can't speak, mr anderson?"

      It pretty much already happens. You get a National Security Letter gag order, and you are threatened with five years of prison for even trying to communicate the fact that you are under a gag order, let alone trying to address what the gag order is about. The FBI now issues 30,000 National Security Letters a year.

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    3. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by sydneyfong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Insightful? When governments are twisted enough that they could "legally" do this, they could also do it the low tech way, namely cutting off your tongue. Throwing you into prison might help too but that's too high tech.

      I mean, I didn't know my freedom of speech was *that* valuable... imagine all those expensive high tech gadgets required to silence me...

      Seriously, this stupid "what if governments ..." paranoia on slashdot has to stop. What if governments used TV to promote neo-Nazism? What if governments used dining knives to execute political dissidents? What if governments drugged me with pot to deprive my right to free thought? What if governments built androids that follow me every day for surveillance purposes? OH THE HORROR!!! HAIL THE GOOD OLD DAYS IN STONE AGE WHEN THE TRIBE LEADER THREW STICKS AT HIS ENEMIES!!

      I mean, you guys need to understand how oppressive governments work. They don't care about you, so they'll just find the least complicated ways to "reform" you. You won't get the privilege to be silenced by these kinds of expensive tech if cutting your tongue or throwing you into prison works better and cheaper. Wake up dudes, you guys have read too much sci-fi. /rant.

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    4. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank fuck there's SOMEONE sane around here... I agree entirely.

      Posting anonymously because the last time I didn't follow groupthink and posted what I saw, I dropped a karma grade.

    5. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by coren2000 · · Score: 1

      What if you are one of _them_ spewing propaganda to convince us that expensive control techniques wont be used as your co-workers do R&D on mind control techniques and slowly erode my freedom.

      Nay I say... just because Im paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me. They being You. and You being them. and them being *zaap zapp* .... *silence*.

      /me whispers between the drooling "freedom freedom... oh the horror"

    6. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by nick_davison · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, this stupid "what if governments ..." paranoia on slashdot has to stop. What if the government decided to suspend the right of habeus corpus that's lasted since the magna carta?

      What if the government decided to do away with the fourth ammendment and declare it was their right to search and seize simply becuase they're fighting a war against a noun?

      What if the government decided to completely ignore the right to legal representation and a free trial because they were holding you in a special, magical place where they decided those rules didn't apply?

      What if the government started shipping people off to be tortured by third party nations so they could pretend they weren't doing it themselves.

      What if the government wrote a statement that said certain forms of torture was OK, completely refused to list what those forms are, then pretended to be shocked when, exactly as intended, junior troops did what was expected of them?

      What if the government could demand your library and bookstore records and had a special way of doing it where, legally, no one was ever allowed to report they'd been demanded, let alone fight the demands?

      Or, the classic "crazy" one: What if the government was secretly spying on your phonecalls? Don't tell me there are laws against that. They could do it if they really wanted, right?

      You want me to keep going?

      The government tends to do the insidious crap because, exactly as they've done with most of the above, they can then deny they're even doing it for several years until the weight of evidence becomes completely overwhelming then they stop that one specific thing and start the next one.

      You cut someone's tongue off, you've left a really big piece of physical evidence that sickens and outrages the world.

      You toss someone in jail without trial, in normal circumstances, and a lawyer seeking to make a name for themselves is on your ass within months.

      Pull the shady crap like suspending habeus corpus and you've got years before they even get it reinstated and can begin trying to get the guy you jailed back out.

      Keep shipping him off to Syria or Egypt for "questioning" and you get to torture, whilst claiming innocence, the whole time.

      Insidious works far better than blunt.

      Continuing the insidious theme:

      The British government is having major issues with a cleric they can't deport because he might face torture but who they can't make charges stick on in England.

      Blunt option: Jail without trial. They tried that, it caused outrage. They had to release him.

      Subtle tinfoil hat option: Zap him with a magnet. "Oh, the poor dear's had a stroke. He can't preach anymore. How awful." Then you take him to a nice secure hospital to protect him from the people who might do him harm and you keep repeating. Problem solved. You're helping him, not harming him.
    7. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference here would be like between a taser and a gun. You could potentially use it on someone without lethal or permanent consequences to the subject. Remember the recent story about China buying non-lethal sonic weapons? The story about the pain-gun? Do you see a pattern here?

      As I see it the next emerging dictatorship could come silently, legally and without killing any civilians directly. Just a few people trampled by a crowd running away from "crowd control". Any shots fired by civilians could end up labelled as "acts of terrorism".

      Posting as an AC for obvious reasons.

    8. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magnetically killing your speech centers doesn't leave evidence. It's for the oppressive government in the phase where it can't appear so oppressive that people would find it oppressive.

    9. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Insightful? When governments are twisted enough that they could "legally" do this, they could also do it the low tech way, namely cutting off your tongue. Or, do it just like the Canadians do: simply not give you a phone in the first place. "What good is a constitution if you can't force us to uphold it?"

      You won't get the privilege to be silenced by these kinds of expensive tech if cutting your tongue or throwing you into prison works better and cheaper. Exactly. However, video technology might still help with faking a trial, if ever you need one to justify that prison "sentence"...
    10. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by WNight · · Score: 1

      I don't think the point was that governments wouldn't do this, merely that they already are in more violent ways so they aren't clamoring for the new tech.

      Not that they wouldn't play with M.I.B. type tech if they had it. Just that a lack of it is no deterrent.

    11. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      Subtle real option: get a secret agent to send him death threats. If that doesn't work you could always target his family or loved ones. I've been told that actually works.

      If you have a "secure secret hospital" that's the "jail" method. It's not really that hard to fake a stroke without having the speech impediment device. And you'd have to think of reasons to deny visits from his family. And what if he recovers? Essentially, if you could pull this off you could send him to jail bluntly.

      I still don't see what's why the paranoia about this device. My point is, the first half of your posts are REAL concerns, the slashdot paranoia on every new tech being applied as government controls is a result of reading too much sci-fi. When you focus on the wrong things, it distracts somewhat from the real issues.

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    12. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Understood, but what you're forgetting is govt's ability to get away with things that would clearly be lacking the support of the general public if done in a low-tech manner, by obfuscating it in high-tech.

      We pretty much all understand that cutting people's tongues off to silence them is barbaric and unacceptable. But all of a sudden, start putting a positive spin on the concept of using super high-tech tools to "painlessly and only temporarily stun part of the brain" to paralyze the speech centers of those involved in "terrorist actions" - and lots of folks would be all for it.

    13. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by servognome · · Score: 1

      Why ask "What if," we know governments have done it for hundreds of years and it hasn't caused the fall of civilization.
      You think what's going on now in the US is any different than what was going on during the:
      Revolutionary War - see Alien & Sedition Acts
      US Civil War - suspension of habeas corpus, ignoring Constitutionally granted states rights
      western expansion - pretty much ignoring all human rights of Native Americans
      World War 2 - Seizing property and holding families of Japanese decent

      Rights have always hung by a thread, technology hasn't changed the fundamental struggle to maintain freedoms; what it has done is help educate and inform the population about what is going on.

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    14. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well frankly, I'm not an American, and sometimes I'm amazed by the things your government or media gets away with...

      So duh, if that's what you mean, then maybe you're right.

    15. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Wow 30,000 a year.

      I wonder which you should be more afraid of, the "evil terrorists" (or is it China/Iran this year?), or 30,000 people a year losing their freedom of speech.

      I'm sure their loss of freedom of speech is not that broad, but then again they can't tell you can they? ;)

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    16. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by xappax · · Score: 1

      A lack of it is a deterrent though - that's exactly the point. Many high tech tools for oppression of civilians are subtler than older forms, by which I mean they're harder for both the oppressed and independent observers to detect.

      You can look at something like police who used to use batons and firehoses (visibly brutal) for crowd control, but now use pepper spray and tasers (which leave no marks) as an example.

      Because of the subtle nature of these new technologies, they're used far, far more often than older, more overt methods were.

      The ability to disguise oppressive actions means those actions will be taken more often. Simple as that.

    17. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      What if governments drugged me with pot to deprive my right to free thought?

      Pot doesn't deprive you of free though, it promotes free thought. That's why all but the most enlightened governments have outlawed it.

      Monosodium Glutimate, OTOH, is a neurotransmitter with a sodium ion attached. Read the ingredients label on almost any bag of potato chips, frozen food, etc.

      Drugs in your food, indeed.

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    18. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      What if the government decided to do away with the fourth ammendment and declare it was their right to search and seize simply becuase they're fighting a war against a noun?

      That hits close to home; No noun or other excuse is needed. My car and person were searched for the "probable cause" of giving two women a ride to a house the cops were watching (there were no arrests, because there were no laws broken and no contraband found) and my garage was "looked around in" on the day we set aside to honor the soldiers who died defending the Constitution. More details in an old slashdot journal.

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    19. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Eg0Death · · Score: 1

      police who used to use batons and fire hoses (visibly brutal) for crowd control, but now use pepper spray and tasers (which leave no marks)
      Yeah, the police use pepper spray and tasers instead of batons not because they want to reduce the risk of serous injury but because they wish to make great use of their disguised oppressiveness. They don't use firehoses as often because that requires working with the fire department. Screw that interdepartmental communication B.S.!
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    20. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The British government is having major issues with a cleric they can't deport because he might face torture but who they can't make charges stick on in England.

      While I agree that all the above things in your post are bad, I don't see the problem here. I don't know the specifics, since I haven't read about this case before, but is the guy a citizen? If not, then why can't the government just deport him? Deporting doesn't mean he must be taken back to a specific country, just that he can't stay within British borders. He can be taken to some boring little African country, for instance, and no one would probably care.

      I see immigration law much like I see homes: anyone who's not a citizen is like a guest in a home. If the homeowner wants you to leave, you have to leave. It doesn't matter where you go, as long as it's away. The homeowner has no duty to provide you with sanctuary. He may grant it to you at his whim, but he may also revoke it if you're a pain in the ass. The homeowner doesn't have to allow anyone to live in his house if he doesn't want them, and he's free to use any criteria for selecting roommates as he likes. If he only likes tall, hot babes, then it's his right to only allow those people to live with him.

      As far as I'm concerned, non-citizens should never expect to enjoy the full privileges of living in a country as its own citizens enjoy. If you're a non-citizen and your host country decides one day to toss your ass out, for any reason whatsoever, that's just too bad. Cry me a river. If a country treats its own citizens poorly, that's another matter, but then again, it's really up to the citizens to keep their government under control and not allow it to victimize them.

    21. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by xappax · · Score: 1

      Your theory is that the police actually use pepper spray and tasers because they want to avoid the risk of injury to the crowd, not because they're concerned about publicity.

      You can test this theory by observing the difference in control techniques used against protesters in the street and protesters who've been arrested. Protesters in police custody aren't pepper sprayed or tased. They're kicked, beaten with fists, flashlights and batons, slammed into walls, dragged up and down stairs, pulled around by their hair, ears, and even genitals.

      The victims are the same people in both cases, and arguably they pose more of a threat to police when they're in the street. However, the difference is that in police custody there are no cameras and no independent observers - therefore, no risk of bad publicity.

      I understand if you react with disbelief to these claims, thinking that doesn't happen in America. Experiencing or witnessing such things first hand is really the only way to prove it, since there's unfortunately no way to record evidence while in police custody.

    22. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by Eg0Death · · Score: 1

      I'm not so naive as to believe that such things don't occur, but your initial post seems rather slanted. As for the police officers I've known personally, they want the job not so they can beat the crap out of people but so they can protect people. As hard as it may be for you to believe, some cops actually want to HELP people. They really want to "Serve and Protect". Zapping a big belligerent drunk with a taser (usually) subdues him with a much lower likelihood of injury as opposed to being wrestled to the ground by several cops. Said cops are very likely to get pissed off if they end up in a wrestling match because the drunk is punching/kicking/spitting on them. The urge to punch/kick/spit back is hard to resist. We are most likely approaching this from diametrically opposite view points.

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    23. Re:Thank god for the 1st amendment by xappax · · Score: 1

      I agree that many people become cops to "Serve and Protect" and they want to help people.

      And while a noble sentiment for joining the force and having generally good intentions should be honored and celebrated, they do not explain or excuse actual police behavior.

      An important point to understand in general (and this applies to all kinds of people in many positions, not just police) is that even people who have very good abstract intentions can end up in situations where they succumb to the desire to do completely inappropriate and sometimes inhuman things. This is reflected very strongly both in behavioral studies and real life observations.

      The environment a police officer operates in is very conducive to developing a dehumanizing perspective - people are mean to you, uncooperative, sometimes even threatening. Being on patrol is a stressful job which encourages grumpiness, fear, and aggression. However, it's a requirement, both legal and moral, that cops rise above this perspective, that they not perpetuate or participate in inappropriate behavior on the job. If they can't avoid this, they should really find a different profession. Unfortunately, we tend not to hold our officers to this high standard in practice.

      The climate in most police forces is very conducive to dehumanization, and each officer plays a role, even if it's a small one. By not challenging inappropriate behavior, each officer lets the force at large slip further and further. So that then, in that moment of stress when tempers flare, there's nothing to stop an angry guy with a badge from doing something outrageous, like beating an unarmed person in custody, or locking him in a dog cage overnight in the basement, soaked with cold water.

      These things happen not because cops are moustache-twirling villains who try to get power so they can torture innocents, but because as individuals they each allow abuse to go unchallenged, and therefore create a climate where it's understood to be, while perhaps not desirable, generally acceptable. So naturally, when a situation arises when abuse is an option, a shocking number of cops are ready to participate or stand by and passively support it.

      So basically, good intentions aren't enough. We should expect good actions, and responsible policing of not just civilians, but of one's own behavior and the behavior of other officers. And since we give police so much trust in our communities, anything less should be considered flat-out unacceptable.

  4. I'm speechle..... by Pikoro · · Score: 0

    Great...

    Imagine being able to use this at Gitmo:

    "Sir, we've zapped him twice, and he still refuses to talk."

    "Isn't that the point private?"

    "He must be guilty. Lethal injection time."

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    "Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
  5. So its magnets.... by coren2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that take away my speech centers when I meet a pretty girl.

    1. Re:So its magnets.... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps she has a magnetic personality, then?

    2. Re:So its magnets.... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Well, you lose the ability of speech if you're attracted to her, right? Myth confirmed!

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    3. Re:So its magnets.... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Try singing; that should work.

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    4. Re:So its magnets.... by sa1lnr · · Score: 1

      That's sexual magnetism for you. ;)

    5. Re:So its magnets.... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      A most compelling argument...

    6. Re:So its magnets.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      That makes perfect sense. Boobies are magnets. Not only am I attracted to them but I'm rendered speechless when I see them...

    7. Re:So its magnets.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah - that's just because the blood-flow to your brain has been diverted elsewhere.

    8. Re:So its magnets.... by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

      Works for Indian guys.

    9. Re:So its magnets.... by ben0207 · · Score: 1

      Only if she's really attractive.

      I don't get a similar effect from the repulsive girls.

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    10. Re:So its magnets.... by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      I must be less affected by their magnets, then. It's only when I bury my head in them that I get speechless.

      There still is an effect, though. When I see them, I generally respond inappropriately. ;-)

    11. Re:So its magnets.... by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Try singing; that should work.
      You mean like that scene in Forever Young?
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    12. Re:So its magnets.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ehem .. clearing throat ..

      This morning, I woke up with this feeling
      I didn't know how to deal with
      And so I just decided to myself
      I'd hide it to myself
      And never talk about it
      And did not go and shout it
      When you walked into the room .....
      "I think I love you!" (I think I love you)

      I think I love you
      So what am I so afraid of?
      I'm afraid that I'm not sure of
      A love there is no cure for
      I think I love you
      Isn't that what life is made of?
      Though it worries me to say
      I've never felt this way

      Believe me
      You really don't have to worry
      I only want to make you happy
      And if you say
      Hey, go away, I will
      But I think better still
      I'd better stay around and love you
      Do you think I have a case?
      Let me ask you to your face
      Do you think you love me?

      -----

      Wait.. where'd she go?

      What do you mean she left 2 minutes ago?

    13. Re:So its magnets.... by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 1

      Since there are practically no pretty girls in any development or IT job known to humanity, I can only conclude that you have been on an unapproved wandering outside the confines of your work cubicle.

      Someone from security will be there momentarily to re-implement your restraints. In the meantime, get back to work you lecherous slob!

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      In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  6. Courage... by camg188 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That test subject had a lot of courage. No way is my brain getting zapped.

    1. Re:Courage... by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

      What makes you think they will hear your objections?

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    2. Re:Courage... by kylemonger · · Score: 5, Insightful
      That test subject had a lot of stupidity. No way is my brain getting zapped.

      There, I fixed that sentence for you. What I wondered was what else these guys were zapping while they were finding the subject's Broca area. Maybe they convinced him it was safe, but they'd have to do a whole lot of talking to convince me.

    3. Re:Courage... by serialdogma · · Score: 1

      He was singing them to the tune of The Clash's Pressure Drop.

    4. Re:Courage... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      But DRM features in the microphone made sure his song wasn't transmitted due to copyright violation on the music.

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    5. Re:Courage... by serialdogma · · Score: 1

      I personally would think that considering the length of his protest (that was cut short by the insertion of a gag), it would qualify for fair use.

    6. Re:Courage... by ShiningSomething · · Score: 1

      Plus, I wonder how they decided that there would be no long-term side effects.

    7. Re:Courage... by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      One thing that seemed to stick out as I was watching that video was that the researcher seemed to stutter a fair amount. Without knowing him, it's hard to say if he has always been like that or if it might be a byproduct of all of his experiments on himself.

    8. Re:Courage... by saurabhdutta · · Score: 1

      Being a stutterer all my life, it's pretty heartening to know that some positive research is being done in this oft neglected field.

    9. Re:Courage... by coren2000 · · Score: 1

      Mine neither

      /me turns on the TV while listening to iPod and talking on a cellphone.

    10. Re:Courage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of talking is all you need to be convinced?
      If it's not already too late, you're advised to stay away from any religion.

    11. Re:Courage... by LocalH · · Score: 1

      That would work if DRM had inherent protections for fair use.

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      FC Closer
  7. I wonder... by The+Bringer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder what would happen if the magnetic pulses were applied to more important sections of the brain, such as the area that controls autonomous bodily functions, like the heart. I suppose, if it is capable of knocking out the area of the brain that controls speech, it should be capable of knocking out the section of the brain that controls other, critical bodily functions. Is it only me, or do you see a potential weapons application for this in the future?

    1. Re:I wonder... by Free_Meson · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is it only me, or do you see a potential weapons application for this in the future?
      If your goal is to indiscriminately impair critical brain functions, a gun would be much more cost-effective.
    2. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrm... no. I don't know of any way to get a "beam" of magnetic radiation except inside a coil of wire... which means that you'd have to convince the person you wanted to kill to put on a helmet with huge electromagnets on it, or climb into an MRI machine. And then participate in a barrage of cognitive tests while you probed their brain. Why not just shoot them? Or if they trust you that much, poison them. And if you can afford the equipment you need for this, you can afford a poison nobody will find.

    3. Re:I wonder... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, the heart has it's own bundle of nerves that give regular pulses.

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    4. Re:I wonder... by The+Bringer · · Score: 1

      Is it only me, or do you see a potential weapons application for this in the future?
      If your goal is to indiscriminately impair critical brain functions, a gun would be much more cost-effective. But definitely not nearly as cool.
    5. Re:I wonder... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd have to think that forensics units would have a harder time tracking down the person who fired an EM pulse. They've gotten pretty good at matching bullets to guns.

    6. Re:I wonder... by supabeast! · · Score: 1

      Is it only me, or do you see a potential weapons application for this in the future? If you're close enough to precisely target a brain with a magnetic pulse, and your target is still enough to let you do so, why not just stab him? It would cost a lot less.

    7. Re:I wonder... by gowen · · Score: 0, Troll

      Indeed. In fact, if a body function is controlled by the brain, its not really autonomous is it?

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      Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
    8. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because then the person's obviously been murdered, as opposed to having had a heart attack. Less tracable than a load of polonium.

      I'm sure the CIA and the KGB will both be investing heavily into this stuff, they're big into the whole assassination thing last I heard.

    9. Re:I wonder... by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      A wire here is a wire there. The difference between autonomous and voluntary functions, IMO, is conscious control and nothing more.

    10. Re:I wonder... by supabeast! · · Score: 1

      Except that when the CIA or FSB assassinate someone, they usually make it pretty obvious. One uses unmanned drones fitted with Hellfire missiles, the other uses, well, polonium.

    11. Re:I wonder... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "No matter how powerful the wizard, a knife in the back will severely cramp his style" - Vladimir Taltos

    12. Re:I wonder... by zwei2stein · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Natural death" is quite usefull if you want to kill someone popular but undesirable ... No blades, no blame.

      But even worse is ... you dont have to kill him at all! Death of mind is good enough and someone with dead mind can be reused ... especially if he is popular with undesirable kind of people.

      Just imagine how much can specialist at ministry of do with this kind of stuff. Selectivelly disable parts of someone mind ... with memory and/or inteligence gone, you have obedient tabula rasa person.

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      -- Technology for the sake of technology is as pathetic as eschewing technology because it's technology.
    13. Re:I wonder... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd have to think that forensics units would have a harder time tracking down the person who fired an EM pulse. They've gotten pretty good at matching bullets to guns.

      I would have to think that it would not take much in the way of forensic aptitude to track down the person(s) manipulating the giant magnetic coil next to the guys head.

      And does anyone think that there is something a bit odd about the assistant's name being "Muggleton"?

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    14. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just imagine how much can specialist at ministry of do with this kind of stuff. Selectivelly disable parts of someone mind ... Like the proofreading section, for instance.
    15. Re:I wonder... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

      The area responsible for involuntary mechanisms such the heart and breathing are controlled by the brain stem. Disabling the brain stem, however would have even more devastating effects because it is the conduit through which all motor activities take place such as walking, touch senses, and yes, even talking.

      If you wanted to really screw someone up, the brain stem is where you want to do the damage.

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      We're all hypocrites. We all have hidden parts, it's the contrast between them that make us more a hypocrite than others
    16. Re:I wonder... by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      So an EMP will not only fry electronics , it will also shut people up ?

    17. Re:I wonder... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Is it only me, or do you see a potential weapons application for this in the future?


      If your goal is to indiscriminately impair critical brain functions, a gun would be much more cost-effective. Magnetic weapons don't leave material evidence.
      If your goal is to injure or kill with impunity, leaving no evidence is worth its weight in gold.
      --

      You can't take the sky from me...

    18. Re:I wonder... by NoisySplatter · · Score: 1

      Sometimes no evidence is just as telling as there being plenty of evidence.

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      In Soviet Russia meme tires of you!
    19. Re:I wonder... by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder what would happen if the magnetic pulses were applied to more important sections of the brain, such as the area that controls autonomous bodily functions, like the heart. I suppose, if it is capable of knocking out the area of the brain that controls speech, it should be capable of knocking out the section of the brain that controls other, critical bodily functions. Is it only me, or do you see a potential weapons application for this in the future?

      One thing to know about TMS is that 90-95% of the labs doing research with it use coils which are only capable of stimulating ~1-2cm deep, which is really only useful for hitting cortical areas (or cerebellum). Autonomic functions are controlled by subcortical brain regions, farther away from the scalp. There are a few labs however working with developing things like Deep TMS which should hypothetically be able to hit deeper regions, but I've never worked with those systems, so I don't know what sorts of safety measures they take.

    20. Re:I wonder... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      I see more use in interrogation rooms. Of course shutting down the speech area who not be the idea of course...

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      The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
    21. Re:I wonder... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      Apparently. I told my wife I'm going to build a huge electromagnet in the garage, but she said it'd probably just make me sterile.*

      Considering my kids, I'm not sure that'd be such a bad thing.

      * the above conversation is for comedic effect only, and never, in fact, took place. The wife's pretty pissed off today, and has probably been considering *other* means of making me sterile.

    22. Re:I wonder... by Free_Meson · · Score: 1

      Magnetic weapons don't leave material evidence.
      Well, other than the tracks for the vehicle to haul around this massive magnet and its power supply, as well as any debris in the area that may be magnetized, and of course the weird victim who had a beef with the guy with the giant mobile electromagnet.

      If your goal is to injure or kill with impunity, leaving no evidence is worth its weight in gold.
      How much does leaving no evidence weigh?

      Ballistics evidence is only useful if you can tie a bullet to a gun to a person. That gives you two rather obvious opportunities to break the logical chain between you and your victim. If your plan is to kill someone in a manner that allows you to evade criminal prosecution, again, a gun is likely a more cost-effective option than some giant electromagnet.
    23. Re:I wonder... by David_Hart · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not so sure about how good they are at bullet matching. I know that the TV shows (CSI, etc) and prosecuters want the public to believe that the bullet matching process is infallable. However, bullet matching, like so many other things, can be subjective and only explains a probability that the bullet was fired from a particular gun rather than proving it for a fact. Only when they develop and implement a tagging mechanism as the bullet is fired will we have a reliable system (http://www.laserfocusworld.com/display_article/162928/12/none/none/News/Laser-etching-may-help-investigators-ID-bullets). Even so, criminals and hackers would find their way around these systems by reprogramming the tags to match one owned by an innocent civilian.

      David

    24. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have they gotten good at matching bullets to guns, or is this just based off of watching CSI? A modern hollowpoint bullet deforms like crazy on impact, making forensic analysis rather difficult if not impossible. It's only when someone uses an FMJ bullet that it'll come out undeformed, and those are cheaper practice ammo rather than "for killing things" ammo.

    25. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many of the critical autonomous functions are controlled by the medulla, which is located at the base of the brain (really almost part of the brainstem). The magnetic field generated by these coils has its maximal effect only a few cm below the coil surface - you can't position the coil in such a way to tickle anything buried deep within the brain.

      One can, however, play other games with a TMS device; zapping the back of one's skull (occipital lobe) can produce phosphenes or moving lights by directly stimulating visual cortex.

      In theory, if the magnetic pulses could reach deeper into the brain, it would be possible to stimulate the 'pleasure centers' (e.g. nucleus accumbens) directly. You might be able to replace drugs with magnetic pulses. No idea as to the long-term effects, though..

    26. Re:I wonder... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, I don't watch CSI, but I've seen it a few times on CourtTV^W TrueTV. Maybe they do give the impression that it's more infallible than it really is, I don't know.

      Either way, if they can do it at all, that's still more than they can track an EM pulse, or even identify that one was used. At least a bullet, when used, is fairly obvious.

    27. Re:I wonder... by backwardMechanic · · Score: 1

      The surprising thing is that your heart will pretty much look after itself. If your brain sends a synchronization signal, that's good, your heart will sync, but without it your heart just beats away by itself. Brains are over-rated, your body can manage a lot of the work unaided.

    28. Re:I wonder... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Persistent mage armour. Mithril twilight chainmail. Etc, etc. Smart wizards have ways around the knife in the back.

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      Not a sentence!
    29. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the fact that he was using 90% of the power grid's expenditure that day?

    30. Re:I wonder... by Kamineko · · Score: 1

      Sounds a bit like the PYRAMID from Spycraft: The Great Game.

    31. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The brain does not control autonomous body functions... you're designed not to have all your eggs in the basket upstairs. You have an autonomic nervous system for core control functions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_nervous_system). Nothing to worry about!

    32. Re:I wonder... by kesuki · · Score: 1

      "Well, other than the tracks for the vehicle to haul around this massive magnet and its power supply, as well as any debris in the area that may be magnetized, and of course the weird victim who had a beef with the guy with the giant mobile electromagnet."

      and the most important point, the 'electromagnet' doesn't stop a person from 'singing'

      If you want to worry about this 'giant electro magnet' then worry that this 'research device' might be used to develop a synthetic drug that replicates the 'same effect' as well as a second device used to target your ability to sing... and a second designer drug...

      oh wait, then you can still talk via the internet and via text messages... i guess then, we need to find a third designer drug to make you convulse uncontrollably whenever you type messages out...

      and then a fourth for the people who learn to type with their feet, then a fifth for people who learn to control a computer by breathing into a tube...

      then what about learning to control a computer through facial gestures... the ideas just keep coming to me... all of a sudden a black helicopter at midnight with a short flight to the nearest ocean, and a bullet and and a concrete overcoat become your permanent tomb...

      they never found jimmy Hoffa... so I'm going to assume that yes, wow, making someone vanish in the middle of the night is pretty easy to do.

      and it probably costs a lot less than spending a couple billion dollars inventing special drugs that leave a person only partially blocked from communicating in a modern world.

    33. Re:I wonder... by kesuki · · Score: 1

      "Natural death" is quite usefull if you want to kill someone popular but undesirable ... No blades, no blame.

      But even worse is ... you dont have to kill him at all! Death of mind is good enough and someone with dead mind can be reused ... especially if he is popular with undesirable kind of people.

      Just imagine how much can specialist at ministry of do with this kind of stuff. Selectivelly disable parts of someone mind ... with memory and/or inteligence gone, you have obedient tabula rasa person. again the flight of fancy, the portable atomic reactor needed to 'temporarily' disable speech... hah! this isn't practical, this is just a medical research tool, trying to find medications that reverse people with permanent brain injury to their speech center...

      being able to test those drugs in healthy people all of a sudden makes the probability of developing such a drug much much cheaper and more likely to occur.

      as far as trying to make a drug that does the opposite... well, obviously one could try, but think of the cost! it costs millions of dollars to develop drugs, drugs have to continually be dosed to the individual, low dosages can be mitigated by high use of of common diuretics such as caffeine.. high dosages of medications that affect the brain often have nasty side effects...

      well, the worst this electronic device could be used is to make a designer drug they could use to drug people with, if anyone had the countless millions to dedicate to trying to create such a specialized drug, and try to also keep the development of said drug entirely secret, it doesn't help if people know about the drug..
    34. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Persistent mage armour. Mithril twilight chainmail. Etc, etc. Smart wizards have ways around the knife in the back. Actually, smart wizards use Celerity and Time Stop these days.
    35. Re:I wonder... by Thoughtfire · · Score: 1

      it should be capable of knocking out the section of the brain that controls other, critical bodily functions I am Jack's medulla oblongata. Without me, Jack could not regulate his heart rate, blood pressure, or-- *bzzzzzzt*
    36. Re:I wonder... by syousef · · Score: 1

      I'd have to think that forensics units would have a harder time tracking down the person who fired an EM pulse. They've gotten pretty good at matching bullets to guns.

      You don't think an enormous electro-magnet and a bag full of specialized equipment might give it away?

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    37. Re:I wonder... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      I was more referring to the situation where they simply have recovered a body after the fact and need to piece together what happened. Presumable the body or equipment would have been moved.

      Besides, you don't think what's enormous today can't be small and mobile tomorrow? Tell that to the ENIAC folks.

    38. Re:I wonder... by Wavebreak · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't work on the heart, the heart muscle is self-exciting, i.e. it'll keep going with no intervention from the brain. All the brain does is slow it down or speed it up. Could work on breathing tho, if you could get at the relevant areas.

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    39. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Because its so hard to track down someone who recently purchased a high powered experimental medical electromagnet.

    40. Re:I wonder... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. The point is not *how* to track them down once you know the murder weapon. The problem with EM is that it doesn't necessarily leave a defining mark like a bullet would. (I guess strong enough might leave a burn mark, but I'm assuming that wouldn't be the case.) You'd first need to determine that a magnet was even used in the first place before knowing you should track down purchasers of electromagnets.

      The post that started this off asked about weaponization of this tech. Given that, you need to assume that a weapon would be reasonably portable, and would be used in an instance where the murderer/assassin didn't want to leave a mark. It's obviously hypothetical right now, and might not even be possible.

    41. Re:I wonder... by dwye · · Score: 1

      > They've gotten pretty good at matching bullets to guns.

      Then use cheaper bullets that deform more, or go the Demolished Man route and use an ice bullet.

  8. ..........? (silence) by freeasinrealale · · Score: 5, Funny

    shouldn't it be from the bzzt-ow-bzzt-ow-bzzzzzzzt-........ dept?

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  9. Cell Phones by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

    Ok, so the proof of concept is done.

    Now, how do we build this into cell phones?

    caller: Like OMG! Theres PONIEZ!!
    device: *BZZZT*
    caller: Like OMG! Theres PONIEZ!!

    Ok, so in some cases drooling and twitching occur naturally... ;-)

  10. Yes by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    but can they make you sing folk songs?

    1. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, this just might explain Friday's episode of Battlestar Galactica...

    2. Re:Yes by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      I've wandered all over this country
      Prospecting and digging for gold
      I've tunneled, hydraulicked, and cradled,
      and, I have been frequently sold!

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    3. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the scientists behind this have vowed never to let it be used for evil purposes.

    4. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They knocked out the speech center, not the inhibition unit.

  11. "turn-off" vs. disrupt by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    The notion that this pulse "turns-off" the targeted segment of the brain isn't correct. The pulse does NOT remove power from the brain or suppress neuronal firing. Instead, it disrupts coordinated firing of the neurons by inducing a spurious current in the neurons. Thus it is more like randomly applying a signal to the pins of a CPU than to cutting power or clipping pins.

    I can't imagine that this pulse is very good for neuronal tissue in the short-term or long-term.

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    1. Re:"turn-off" vs. disrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. It would help if you weren't talking out of your ass and imagining how this device works. There are studies describing this technique which basically depolarizes neurons and depresses action potentials. In other words, it turns that area of the brain off by suppressing neurons from firing. Please do us all a favor and know exactly what you're talking about before chiming in.

    2. Re:"turn-off" vs. disrupt by zopf · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It would be very interesting to see whether this technology could be used to disrupt hippocampal memory formation. Sort of a short-term version of that MIB flasher...

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    3. Re:"turn-off" vs. disrupt by value_added · · Score: 1

      Disrupting? I prefer to think of it as shaping.

    4. Re:"turn-off" vs. disrupt by hey! · · Score: 1

      I wonder if this technology couldn't be used to induce creativity by disrupting habitual thought patterns temporarily.

      If you could map the patterns of neuron firing during problem solving, you could turn off inhibitory patterns, allowing wild, crazy, unconventional ideas a little more time to form. Most of the result would be garbage, of course, but sometimes creativity requires letting a not-quite-right idea a little temporary leeway.

      You wouldn't want to use this all the time, only after you'd put a significant amount of work into a problem and had fallen into a rut.

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    5. Re:"turn-off" vs. disrupt by RotsiserMho · · Score: 1

      Isn't this what drugs are for?

    6. Re:"turn-off" vs. disrupt by evanbd · · Score: 1

      Please do us all a favor and know exactly what you're talking about before chiming in.

      Seriously. Here on /. we have standards to keep up.

    7. Re:"turn-off" vs. disrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep picturing what happens when you put a magnet on the screen of a CRT television. Put it there briefly and you distort the colors. Leave it there too long and you've ruined that part of your tv. Sure hope the same thing doesn't apply here. ;)

  12. Mmm torture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we could use brain stimulation for interrogation purposes (such as disabling parts of the brain which are used to forge lies, or to inhibit actions), it would eliminate the need for torture as well as its pitfalls. It would also open up a huge ethical/privacy/human rights can of worms, which is another plus ;-p.

    1. Re:Mmm torture by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, the question which crosses my mind is: What else could you selectively disable this way? Imagine you would disable the part of the brain responsible to remember new things. Then you could interrogate someone without him even remembering afterwards (OTOH it might prove counterproductive, if he can't remember your question long enough to answer it :-)). Or is there a region responsible to control that you don't tell certain things? Then disabling that part of the brain would cause that you'd not be able to keep your secrets.

      Another thought: If someone applied that to some part of your brain controlling vital functions, you'd surely die from that. But would there be a chance to detect it afterwards? Or would that be actually a device for perfect murder?

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    2. Re:Mmm torture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have fun with it as well - disabling the ability for a disliked, overpaid CEO to maintain bladder and bowel control during a shareholder meeting, for instance. :-)

    3. Re:Mmm torture by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If we could use brain stimulation for interrogation purposes (such as disabling parts of the brain which are used to forge lies, or to inhibit actions), it would eliminate the need for torture as well as its pitfalls.

      I don't think we know enough about the brain to do that. Most likely, it would be used to scare detainees. "Tell us where Bin Laden is or we will scramble your brain. Here's a sample, try to talk now...".

      I wonder if Geneva conventions cover such? (Although the current administration didn't seem to care either way.)

    4. Re:Mmm torture by jacquesm · · Score: 1

      larry ellison is in serious trouble :)

  13. Transcranial magnetic stimulation by moonbender · · Score: 3, Informative

    The technology to do this is (apparently) called transcranial magnetic stimulation. And even though it looks really freaky in the video with the twitching and everything, it appears to be safe as long as you don't suffer from epileps; in fact it's routinely done for therapeutic and diagnostic purposes.

    I guess you still shouldn't try it at home, though.

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    1. Re:Transcranial magnetic stimulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, it's called TMS and it's safe as far as anyone can tell. I played with "innactivating" my Broca's area as a grad student about 7 years ago. It's a strange sensation. I also created flashing lights by stimulating visual cortex. As other posters have said, the pulse creates disogranised firing of neurons rather than simply "switching off" the brain area. Exactly what the pulse does to a network of neurons is unknown (as far as I am aware).

  14. Needed for Hecklers! by ColdBoot · · Score: 0

    Heck, this is perfect! I'm sure this will get massive government funding. Hecklers be quiet!

    1. Re:Needed for Hecklers! by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bush and Cheney's "free speech zones" are going to have big black boxes around the edges.

      Be sure to listen for the clicking noise as the limousines drive past.

      Hmmm, maybe they could sing?...

    2. Re:Needed for Hecklers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just what we need... more singing protests.

    3. Re:Needed for Hecklers! by neuromancer23 · · Score: 0

      >> Bush and Cheney's "free speech zones" are going to have big black boxes around the edges.

      Don't be silly. This has nothing to do with that. It's clearly for curing headaches.

  15. Can we use this... by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    to target politicians? Ack, that could be worse. Singing politicians?! Makes my brain hurt. Oh, wait, we really want to target the bullsh*t centers of the brain. Then again, when it comes to politicians, the target is HUGE. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

    1. Re:Can we use this... by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      just think if instead of just disrupting speech they could use this to disrupt the ability to tell lies, that would sure make it tough for anyone in court or in any sort of hearing...

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    2. Re:Can we use this... by mjc_w · · Score: 1

      Like the Veridicator (iirc) from "Little Fuzzy".

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  16. AMOS Professional, what an oxymoron that was :) by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Funny

    I code in AMOS!!! The research also showed that magnets- such as inappropriately placed subwoofers on PC systems- could also suppress the part of the brain responsible for programming skills.
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    1. Re:AMOS Professional, what an oxymoron that was :) by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      Or the parts of the brain responsible for posting well thought-out, insightful, and complimentary comments while playing games like Counterstrike.

    2. Re:AMOS Professional, what an oxymoron that was :) by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Is it a magnet that makes Counterstriker's say 'where's my bazooka'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7rkQwbY98s

  17. If you want a party trick... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    Just put headphones on the victim and feed their voice back to them with a 1-second delay for instant speech impediment fun and frolics. No danger of erasing your victims credit card or being sued 10 years later when they blame you for giving them a brain tumor.

    (I guess people who work in the TV and radio industry or who spend long periods talking on echoey long-distance phone calls will have developed immunity, though).

    Obviously doesn't have the same neurological implications as the zapper - but that's not to say its not interesting.

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  18. Too late..... by Stanislav_J · · Score: 3, Funny

    If only this had been developed 20 years ago, I'd still be married. (I'd have ordered two right off the bat -- one for her and one for her mother.....)

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    1. Re:Too late..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With that attitude, I'm guessing the only way this would have helped keep you married is if you used it on yourself.

  19. Only a matter of time... by Strake · · Score: 1, Troll

    before the USA makes laws restricting the export of strong magnets.

  20. This is called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This technology is called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (or TMS).

  21. How about an anvil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could use its weak magnetic field to turn off the entire brain. Getting an anvil on the second floor is the hard part though.

    Next up: Pianos have magnetic fields too (you insensitive clod).

  22. One Application... by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 1

    For monastic orders with vows of silence and problem monks.

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    1. Re:One Application... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Chinese simply use bullets, seems to work just fine for them...

  23. Phrenology?! by Kensai7 · · Score: 1

    It's eerie how these transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) techniques are similar to theories near the defunct concepts of Phrenology. I hope that this search for unique centers in the brain doesn't underestimate its abilities to integrate information, important in global processes such as music creation.

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    1. Re:Phrenology?! by gimpeh · · Score: 1

      Cut out the middle man, get yourself the personality you've always wanted: Retrophrenology

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  24. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm speechless!

    1. Re:Wow! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I for one would welcome our new speech-destroying overlords, if I just managed to say it ...

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  25. What good is a phone call by dkarma · · Score: 1

    if you can't speak? Anyone else creeped out by the implications of this study?

  26. TV magnets by dargaud · · Score: 2, Funny

    And the magnets prevent in TVs can take the entire brain out. What a surprise !

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    1. Re:TV magnets by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      And the magnets prevent in TVs can take the entire brain out. What a surprise !

      I guess the ones in computers can't be too good for the spelling center of the brain. :P

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  27. Brain Hacking by Zarf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is very exciting as it could point to a future where you can literally hack your own brain. So far it looks like he can only temporarily disrupt parts of a person's brain... what about enhancement? What about non-invasive brain I/O?

    What I think could also be very interesting is what kinds of background effects do things like the Aurora have on people's brains? I lived in far-north Alaska for many years and I remember that anecdotally everyone talked about strange dreams when the Aurora was active. It could have been merely a sub-conscious suggestion that active Aurora leads to altered dream states or ... now I think after seeing this video ... perhaps it had a grain of truth? Hopefully someone will conduct some experiments.

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    1. Re:Brain Hacking by barry99705 · · Score: 1

      I never notices any difference in dreams. I don't think there's enough magnetic power in them to really effect people.

    2. Re:Brain Hacking by fyoder · · Score: 1

      This is very exciting as it could point to a future where you can literally hack your own brain. Do you have a backup?
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    3. Re:Brain Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I think could also be very interesting is what kinds of background effects do things like the Aurora have on people's brains? I lived in far-north Alaska for many years and I remember that anecdotally everyone talked about strange dreams when the Aurora was active. Talk about big magnets! Just this week I read mental hospital admissions for depression spike after solar flare activity.
    4. Re:Brain Hacking by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This is very exciting as it could point to a future where you can literally hack your own brain. So far it looks like he can only temporarily disrupt parts of a person's brain... what about enhancement?

      There's actually an Australian researcher, Allan Snyder, who uses TMS to try to invoke savant-like symptoms in people. The basic idea is that autistic savants are able to do Rainman-like feats like instantaneous counting of scattered matchsticks and photorealistic drawing because their higher-level processing regions are impaired, so that they operate based on lower-level, unfiltered representations. The idea is to see what happens when you try to impair these regions in other people. I should add the caveat though that I'm not aware of other labs which have replicated (or tried to replicate) his results yet, so they should be taken with the appropriate grain of salt. From the article:

      The Medtronic was originally developed as a tool for brain surgery: by stimulating or slowing down specific regions of the brain, it allowed doctors to monitor the effects of surgery in real time. But it also produced, they noted, strange and unexpected effects on patients' mental functions: one minute they would lose the ability to speak, another minute they would speak easily but would make odd linguistic errors and so on. A number of researchers started to look into the possibilities, but one in particular intrigued Snyder: that people undergoing transcranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS, could suddenly exhibit savant intelligence -- those isolated pockets of geniuslike mental ability that most often appear in autistic people. ...

      A series of electromagnetic pulses were being directed into my frontal lobes, but I felt nothing. Snyder instructed me to draw something. ''What would you like to draw?'' he said merrily. ''A cat? You like drawing cats? Cats it is.''

      I've seen a million cats in my life, so when I close my eyes, I have no trouble picturing them. But what does a cat really look like, and how do you put it down on paper? I gave it a try but came up with some sort of stick figure, perhaps an insect. ....

      While I drew, Snyder continued his lecture. ''You could call this a creativity-amplifying machine. It's a way of altering our states of mind without taking drugs like mescaline. You can make people see the raw data of the world as it is. As it is actually represented in the unconscious mind of all of us.''

      Two minutes after I started the first drawing, I was instructed to try again. After another two minutes, I tried a third cat, and then in due course a fourth. Then the experiment was over, and the electrodes were removed. I looked down at my work. The first felines were boxy and stiffly unconvincing. But after I had been subjected to about 10 minutes of transcranial magnetic stimulation, their tails had grown more vibrant, more nervous; their faces were personable and convincing. They were even beginning to wear clever expressions.

      I could hardly recognize them as my own drawings, though I had watched myself render each one, in all its loving detail. Somehow over the course of a very few minutes, and with no additional instruction, I had gone from an incompetent draftsman to a very impressive artist of the feline form. ...

      As remarkable as the cat-drawing lesson was, it was just a hint of Snyder's work and its implications for the study of cognition. He has used TMS dozens of times on university students, measuring its effect on their ability to draw, to proofread and to perform difficult mathematical functions like identifying prime numbers by sight. Hooked up to the machine, 40 percent of test subjects exhibited extraordinary, and newfound, mental skills. That Snyder was able to induce these remarkable feats in a controlled, repeatable experim

    5. Re:Brain Hacking by the_kanzure · · Score: 1

      This is very exciting as it could point to a future where you can literally hack your own brain.
      Do you have a backup?
      You have to sandbox it. You do not want to randomly delete a random neurotransmitter receptor from the brain, as an example. You need to make experiments that test this on organotypical slices of neurons [or grow brains in a jar]. Kind of like in a neurofarm. But the problem with neurofarms is that you need to have millions of nodes of experimentation, or massive Markram simulations because of the number of chemical possibilities at all of the receptor sites, plasma membranes, dendritic/axonic connectional possibilities, minicolumn rules, etc. How are you going to get that many nodes, that many instances of experimentation? Sounds like a job for a clanking replicator, really. Maybe automated manufacturing. And while you are working on this, how about some open source rTMS?
    6. Re:Brain Hacking by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 1

      This is very exciting as it could point to a future where you can literally hack your own brain. So far it looks like he can only temporarily disrupt parts of a person's brain... what about enhancement? What about non-invasive brain I/O? Hack your own brain? Oh great, now we'll start seeing pages labled "How to compile the Linux kernel...for your mind!".

      ~Jarik
    7. Re:Brain Hacking by Zarf · · Score: 1

      Well, I did think it was a power of suggestion thing.

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  28. Sweet! by hampton · · Score: 1

    How soon until they install them into movie theatres?

  29. Social Engineering...? by jxliv7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So here I was, speedreading through /., and the scientific suggestion of

    "Using Maggots To Turn Off The Brain's Speech Center"

    snatched my Sunday morning mind's attention like a zombie. Litereally. So, is there something here I'm missing? Like how does one direct those blood suckers to the speech center of a brain, assuming it's not major surgery to introduce them? And why...? Is DARPA going over to the dark side in the fight against terrorists?
     
    Alas, after 15 second of grimacing and beweilderment I realized my sleep-hazed eyes were misreading.
     
    Dang, I hope I didn't give some royalty fee collection company another bad idea to file a patent for...

  30. Jack Thompson soultion by Coraon · · Score: 1

    So I say we implant the device in Jack's brain and rig up a long lasting power source, scientists get their research, and we can to make him shut up.

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  31. This may work for some... by hyperz69 · · Score: 1

    but I find nothing replaces a good Olde Timey Pimp Slap to shut someone up. :)

  32. can we use this for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    politicians...?

  33. I for one welcome our new MPW Overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's Magnetic Pulse Weapon Overlords. It has a nice ring to it, and on regards to your use a gun proposition, there are many benefits for an MPW.
    1) Silent, so you could take out a number of people one after the other, without the possibility of being detected using normal techniques.
    2) It could be used to take out a number of people before anyone would realize they are under attack.
    3) It probably would have better range than a bullet. Of course one downside here is the range may be an issue. It may be hard to create one powerful enough to get any real range out of it. Although I could see a possibility for a MP bomb
    4) Once the brain is sufficiently mapped, key target areas would be easy to focus on. But that being said, who says a MPW needs to be discriminating. Why not create one powerful enough to get the target area and some other areas too, just to account for possible aiming errors and target movement?

    Of course it would make a great security device. "Get your new Magnetic Pulse Window now, before they're all sold out. Guaranteed to stop even the most determined burglar, or we'll pay double your losses. Just remember, once you install one of these don't attempt to get back in the house through the window when you lock yourself out. Also stops those pesky teenagers from sneaking out at night when they're grounded. *Disclaimer: We are not responsible for injury or loss of life resulting from falling out of windows due to this device."

    Also, the airport security personnel would probably love to incorporate these into they're arsenal. It would make selective screening so much easier. No more disgruntled passengers, although they'll probably have to do something about all the drooling, shuffling passengers.

  34. I can't do this all on my own. by revxul · · Score: 1

    Hey its like the musical episode of Scrubs!

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  35. Mr. Anderson... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 3, Funny

    what use is a phone call if you are ... unable ... to ... speak?

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    1. Re:Mr. Anderson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but he can sing...

  36. Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i need one of these to shut up my wife

  37. Perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just need these magnets installed in every school.

    1. Re:Perfect by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      But then the teachers would actually have to wear tinfoil hats?!

      Then again, they may be the biggest part of the problem anyway.

  38. OK, guys. This needs to be explained by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're making the classic engineering mistake: mis-defining the problem.

    Disrupting the speech centers of the brain does not preempt attempts at communications. And you need communication; it's just that men, left to themselves, would communicate by passing terse status messages: "I'm hungry"; "I'm angry"; "I'm going to sleep"; "I want sex."

    Women send the same status messages, but they seem to gain satisfaction out of the process itself. Therefore they send messages in steganographic form: the basis status messages are there, wrapped all kinds of other data which do not require your immediate action. It pays to pay at least some attention; she may start an "I want sex" status message by telling you that her sister's neighbor's aunt is going in for a gall stone operation.

    The wise man knows that he should celebrate the differences between the sexes if he wants to celebrate the difference between the sexes.

    Therefore, it is best to cultivate the skill of appearing mildly interested and engaged, making reflexive, non-committal listening responses, and paying just enough attention to pick out any cues that indicate something that requires immediate action. It's a lot like driving, actually. You get that sixth sense for when somebody is going to cut you off, or roll into an intersection without coming to a stop. It's not magic, it's practice.

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  39. In other news... by Arcanlaw · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, it was revealed President Bush has been wearing a toupe for years to hide an area of partial baldness. "I love it!" Mr. Bush exclaimed. "I found this great place that uses rare earth magnets to keep 'em on your head. Real convenient like."

    1. Re:In other news... by rrohbeck · · Score: 2, Funny

      The toupe hides the door for the Bush pilot.

  40. pleasure center by nguy · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be more fun to turn on the pleasure center than to turn off the speech center?

  41. I marvel by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder what would happen if the magnetic pulses were applied to more important sections of the brain, such as the area that controls autonomous bodily functions, like the heart. I suppose, if it is capable of knocking out the area of the brain that controls speech, it should be capable of knocking out the section of the brain that controls other, critical bodily functions.

    Is it only me, or do you see a potential weapons application for this in the future? With the proper mastery of magnetism and the human mind, a team could build, in a helmet, an amplifier device that could be used by a trained professional to target individuals precisely, anywhere in the world.
    I'd call this contraption... "Cerebro".
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  42. Vernor Vinge, anyone? by Cyberax · · Score: 1

    That's awfully close to 'mindrot' in Vernor Vinge's "A Deepness in the Sky".

  43. through the ear canal, of course by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

    how does one direct those blood suckers to the speech center of a brain KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

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  44. brain areas by cybin · · Score: 1

    hi everyone,

    TMS is an increasingly useful technique in lesion studies... the lab i'm working in right now is using aphasics and dementia patients to study semantic memory... but with TMS you don't have to use (victimize?) people with brain damage... in many ways it's more ethical and potentially easier since you can use undergraduates :)

    btw, broca's area doesn't "control" speech -- it is an area that is involved in language, but it's not the end-all of language production.

    people with damage to broca's area typically have trouble generating expressive speech. they can't find words, there's very little articulation, and they can't really elaborate on things... but, they can still understand (usually) what is being said to them.

    the other classic aphasia is Wernicke's aphasia... contrast the two on youtube:

    Broca: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2IiMEbMnPM

    Wernicke:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVhYN7NTIKU

    there is no single part of the brain that "controls" speech -- the brain is not constructed like a computer... or at least, any computer that humans can build in 2008... :)

    -m

  45. We need a portable version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine the marriages that could be saved if this technology could be incorporated into a small portable device. "Have you mowed the lawn yet? When are you going to fix the kitchen sink? Have you had the oil changed yet? My mother is coming over toni" ....zap....

    Now imagine how many more marriages there would be. Go out on a first date, introduce my self, ask one open ended question then zap myself... I cant screw it up!

  46. Maybe this explains .... by PPH · · Score: 1
    ... rap performers:

    A later test shows that he's able to sing the rhyme without difficulty, since singing is controlled in a different part of the brain
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  47. Non-ionizing EM by macemoneta · · Score: 1

    Doesn't this imply that non-ionizing EM (for example, radio waves) may in fact disrupt brain function in some way? A high intensity pulse can apparently disrupt a major function. What does a high level of EM background noise do? Does it lower the S/N ratio (for example, generate random neuron firing), making coherent thought more difficult?

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    1. Re:Non-ionizing EM by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doesn't this imply that non-ionizing EM (for example, radio waves) may in fact disrupt brain function in some way? A high intensity pulse can apparently disrupt a major function.

      Keep in mind that a typical TMS coil induces a current in brain neurons by generating a field which goes from 0 to 2 Tesla in about a tenth of a millisecond. Even then, the field is only effective at neural stimulation a centimeter or two away from the coil's focal point. I'm not too familiar with devices which generate non-ionizing EM, but I suspect you'd be hard-pressed to find something with those sorts of characteristics.

  48. This doesn't prove all that much... by Moochman · · Score: 1

    As long as the person is expecting their speech to be disturbed, and they can hear/feel the exact moment that the magnet is pulsing, the effect could be purely psychosomatic. They really need to test this on someone who's not expecting these effects. It may be ethically a bit strange, but it's the only true test.

    1. Re:This doesn't prove all that much... by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

      As long as the person is expecting their speech to be disturbed, and they can hear/feel the exact moment that the magnet is pulsing, the effect could be purely psychosomatic. They really need to test this on someone who's not expecting these effects. It may be ethically a bit strange, but it's the only true test.

      There's actually a few different types of controls which are used experimentally. Here's what I can think of off the top of my head:

      * use a sham coil that triggers the same sorts of clicking sound but doesn't actually stimulate anything

      * more recently, a different type of sham coil has been developed which allows you to modify current directions on-the-fly, allowing you to create the sound/sensation of scalp stimulation, but causes minimal stimulation in the brain region (disclaimer: this coil was devised by people from the same lab as me)

      * you can switch which side of the brain you're stimulating on, and if the subject isn't familiar with neuroanatomy they'll be none the wiser. About midway down this page there's a video of someone counting upwards, and it shows that even though there's a disruption when you stimulate Broca's area on the left side of the brain, no effect is observed when the symmetric area on the other side of the brain is stimulated.

  49. What about the opposite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a speech impediment that is almost exactly the same as Highfield's magnetically-induced one (and I'm a pretty good singer, too). Does anyone think this magnetic "weapon" could be modified to do the opposite?

  50. Bawk asdf nulk lkasdf aseb sef by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Nard bwrf glab zneff bwaa boo miffo grufle blamp! Hell No!

  51. Another cool video by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's actually another neat video (from an intro psych textbook website from a couple years ago) showing the effects of TMS on Broca's area. The guy counts numbers upwards, and as they stimulate Broca's on the left side he experiences a disruptive effect (afterwards saying, "That was cool" ;). They also stimulated on the analogous region on the right side, showing that this participant had no observable effect.

  52. Re: (silence) by noidentity · · Score: 5, Funny

    So they gave him instructions before they started, "If you start to feel pain, tell us to stop. OK, now we're going to disrupt your speech center."

  53. FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot sucked in again! by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 0

    "Where can I give money for this idea?"

    Yes, you guessed it. It's fraud, in my opinion.

    It's not "magnetic stimulation". It's electrical stimulation. They are inducing a current in the brain, which not surprisingly interferes with the operation of the brain, since the brain partly operates with electrical currents.

    In my opinion, there is more fraud. Here is a quote from the article: 'Prof Allan Snyder, at the University of Sydney believes TMS can act as "a creativity-amplifying machine".'

    Roger Highfield, science editor of the Telegraph newspaper, should not let people experiment with his brain. Although he doesn't seem to be using it.

  54. stutter during speech and singing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A later test shows that he's able to sing the rhyme without difficulty, since singing is controlled in a different part of the brain"

    I had a friend who couldn't complete a sentence without stuttering. However, he was a great singer and experienced no stuttering while singing. I now understand why.

  55. Married men will look for this at Best Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A device most married men will want to buy for their wives.

  56. migraine possibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although they are still in the early stages, the possibilities for migraine treatment are interesting to me. I'd read about the brain-center-zapping before as a way to interrupt pulses and stop a migraine as it is beginning, and all I can say is that shooting my brain with E/M pulses sounds a hell of a lot better than taking strong pills that cease to work after a few years.

    Or shooting my brain with a gun, which has seemed like a good idea during a few migraines. (As my coworker who also suffers from migraines once told me, "If there were a cliff next to me, I'd jump off it to stop the pain.")

  57. but will it run linux by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    I mean, with the right arrangement of magnets, could we get the brain to boot LILO ?

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  58. Weapon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone know what the gauss level was that they were using? I'm thinking that targeting the medulla would be a patently bad idea - unless you were one of the TLA's here on the planet who wants a method of assination which is forensically immune (well, for the most part anyway - how many cop shops are really going to look for magnetic residues?)

    And if you don't use a high enough gauss level to kill, it could certainly disable (cops using this instead of a TASER?)

    OR another thought is using it at a low enough level to convince the target that they have some medical illness, and then use that as a method to get them where you want them to be at a certain time/place - perhaps for implanting a tracking or listening device in/on their person? Or perhaps to get them to sign over power of attorney for some nefarious purpose? Or...

    The possibilities are endless and frankly scare the hell out of me. There may be some *good* uses for this technology, but as with all things, the bad is there too...

  59. High voltage power lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they said living by high voltage sources can't hurt you. Yeah... This is basically the same thing, a magnetic field disrupting your brain function.

  60. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or you could do something far better and more sensible and hook up with a cute guy.

  61. Wernicke's Area? by rapidfiringneurons · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to see the effects of a hit on Wernicke's area... shutting off nothing but grammatical morphemes, as well as pitch, rhythm and tone, might be a funnier video. ;)

  62. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I want to know is, where's the "WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?" tag?

  63. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by fastest+fascist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sadly, sexual orientation is not, to the best of my knowledge, something one can alter at will.

  64. Scary possibilities by TRRosen · · Score: 1

    wonder if the CIA's looking into this. Would seem plausible that with proper research it could be used to disrupt your ability to lie or resist questioning. Electromagnetic truth serum if you will

  65. TMS is known for age. by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful
    TMS is actually a very old technique, which has been used for ages.

    It's not "magnetic stimulation". It's electrical stimulation. They are inducing a current in the brain, which not surprisingly interferes with the operation of the brain, since the brain partly operates with electrical currents. More or less yes. What makes TMS interesting is :
    - the effects are local. Whereas using electrodes, you basically fry the whole brain.
    - much finer tunning : you can slightly increase or dicrease the probability of neurons firing in target area, and have a lot of freedom of controlling how much "slightly".

    In my opinion, there is more fraud. Here is a quote from the article: 'Prof Allan Snyder, at the University of Sydney believes TMS can act as "a creativity-amplifying machine".' Not exactly, this the "... and maybe one day, we'll cure cancer / produce fast and cheap petabyte sized harddisk / eliminate terrorism / develop WMD", also known as "money whoring". Just putting some outrageously far-reaching speculation, in the hope the someone in the government will notice them and pour money in.

    Their "creativity stimultion application" is probably just shutting down some brain regions and stimulating other to see how this altered state of mind influence creativeness. Actual artists have been doing this for age using marijuanna, LSD, etc... except for *much* *much* *much* cheaper.

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  66. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the basis status messages are there, wrapped all kinds of other data which do not require your immediate action. So... you're saying women transmit XML? I guess that sounds about right.

  67. OLD NEWS..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Using magnets to turn off parts of the brain has been around for DECADES.

    We just watched a video about this VERY SAME THING in psych class a month and a half ago - A magnetic pulse was used to turn off the speech center of a subjects brain while they counted from one to ten and recited a series of words.

    NOTHING NEW.

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  68. Sexual orientation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Sadly, sexual orientation is not, to the best of my knowledge, something one can alter at will. Gay or straight doesn't matter: everyone is bisexual until they start lying to themselves. Once that happens it's almost impossible to stop.
  69. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by potat0man · · Score: 1

    It's information like this that makes me happy nature decided to give me no inclinations towards the opposite sex.

  70. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by syousef · · Score: 1

    It pays to pay at least some attention; she may start an "I want sex" status message by telling you that her sister's neighbor's aunt is going in for a gall stone operation.

    Okay that has to be the weirdest way to request relations that I've ever heard of. I promise you not all women are like this. Sure makes me appreciate my wife. She may be a little indirect at times but she doesn't bring her sister, her sister's neighbour or gall stones into the request.

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  71. It doesn't affect singing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if those magnets are used in a concert, only the rappers will be affected right?

  72. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Heather+D · · Score: 1

    I, too am in that camp but in my experience that only switches out one set of problems for another. Some choice quotes from old girlfriends:

    "You know very well what I mean, so I shouldn't have to say it!"

    "Here wear this, I want you to look good, but not too good."

    "I like it when you do things for me, but do you have to be such a 'guy' when you do it?"

    That last was said just after I had replaced the Ignition coil on the car. My father worked on old cars a lot and I picked up a lot from him. She'd taken the car to a mechanic who saw a woman bringing a car in and got a bad case of greed. He said it needed a new fuel pump of all things. 50$ for parts and free labor vs. 150$ parts and another 200$ for labor and she tells me I did something wrong.

  73. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by fractoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but she doesn't bring her sister, her sister's neighbour or gall stones into the request. Damn, just when things were starting to turn kinky... ;)
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  74. EM used before to affect the brain. Not new. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The manipulation of the nervous system through the application of electromagnetic fields has been done before, though it rarely seems to be the primary subject of a story, but rather is only mentioned as a secondary point of fact.


    Take this story, for example. . .

    [...]In tests, the blind have been able to distinguish basic shapes of objects they cannot see, as well as their orientation and direction of motion. On other occasions a blind person has reported experiencing a "feeling" that an object is present, while not being able to see it.

    A number of theories have been proposed to explain "blindsight". Generally, it is suggested that other parts of the brain besides the primary visual cortex respond to nerve messages from the eyes at an unconscious level.

    Scientists from the University of Houston in Texas, temporarily blinded a group of 12 volunteers by using an electromagnetic field to shut down the primary visual cortex. Images were then flashed in front of them on a screen[...]

    It is for these reasons, among others, that I find the whole mass adoption of cell phones and the resulting soup of EM broadcast transmissions in our cities and homes troublesome, and why I find myself sighing at those who insist on repeating the telecommunications corporate propaganda: that non-ionizing radiation is harmless, (which I suppose might be true if one considers mass manipulation of human awareness 'harmless'), that the sun puts out more EM than any man-made device which therefore means that there is nothing to be concerned about, (a silly argument since life IS affected by the white noise from space, but has adapted to deal with it in some interesting ways, as opposed to deliberate coherent signals which affect cells in a variety of reliable and repeatable ways), and that studies on rats don't mean anything because rats != humans, and other such nonsense arguments.

    This is just more fodder for the fire. Ignore at your own risk. (And with EM, the more you ignore, the faster and easier it becomes to ignore. Zombie nation.)


    -FL

  75. Here's a picture of the device used. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Informative
    Found a picture of the device used to temporarily shut down the visual cortex.


    Here's another story on the technology. . .

    TMS induces an electromagnetic current in the underlying cortical neurons, which may explain its therapeutic effects. Repetitive TMS, using varying frequencies and intensities, can increase or decrease excitability in the cortical area directly targeted by the stimulation. Recent studies combining TMS and neuroimaging techniques, such as magnetic resonance imaging, demonstrate that the effects of TMS are not limited to the cortex but spread to functionally related subcortical structures. This finding provides a basis for using TMS to treat the pathologic neural activity that may underlie neuropsychiatric illness.

    The military has been aware of this stuff for decades. Look up "Dr. Delgado", (but beware the Rense-style garbage; such nonsense exists solely to look silly and make people drop the subject. Works like a charm unless you recognize it for what it is. Like planting a trouble-maker in a crowd to start a riot thus justifying brutality. Tried and true tactics.) In any case, with the long association of the military and telecom companies, (RF and EM technology comes from the same roots, development money and minds), it becomes impossible to assume that those involved with the introduction of cell phones on the world market had no idea of the secondary effects caused by the technology or what it could be used for. Indeed, it seems very likely that their introduction was predicated on these secondary effects. (Which would, from my perspective, make them the primary effects and easy communication the carrot).


    But you must come to your own conclusions. Keep in mind, however, that choosing ignorance these days leads to a buzzy kind of bliss.


    -FL

  76. electronic cocane & lsd. by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    Now if only you could make an electronic drug, you would corner the market, and it wouldnt be illegal.
    And if it would be, make it open sourced, it would rock.

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    1. Re:electronic cocane & lsd. by erroneus · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be illegal... to begin with. But wasn't stuff like "extasy" not illegal to begin with?

      But the first time someone is caught driving with magnets stuck to their heads, you'll probably see legislation put into place.

  77. God damn slashdot by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    it shows 99% of this comment, and a read more link, which only shows 1 line more. Surely the code would be better to say

    if the more section is 3 lines long, then show the whole comment, even if its above its limit size.

    Just one nit pick really... or slashdot could have placed the remainder of the comment in a tooltip.

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  78. treating disorders by Syberghost · · Score: 1

    Researchers believe that the ability to stimulate or quell activity in specific areas of the brain may help in treating conditions like epilepsy and migraine headaches.

    Or Liberalism.

  79. "World's worst jokes" by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    I had a book by that title several decades ago. From memory (which fails me often these days, but thanks to this slashdot thread I can now blame it on electromagnetic radiation instead of all the pot I've smoked).

    There was an entire chapter devoted to psychaitrists.

    "My wife thnks she's an elevator"
    "Hmm, sounds serious. Have her come see me."
    I can't, she doesn't stop at your floor.

    "My wife thinks she's a racehorse."
    "That's going to be expensive!"
    "That's OK, she just won the Kentucky Derby"

    "My wife eats grapes!"
    "There's nothing wrong with that."
    "Off the wallpaper?"

    Q. How many psychaitrists does it take to change a light bulb?
    A. Only one, but the bulb has to want to change.

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  80. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by kalirion · · Score: 1

    With a powerful enough will, it becomes a simple matter of mind over matter. Just need to identify the gay gene and will it to flip.

  81. What a bright future by Floritard · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Researchers believe that the ability to stimulate or quell activity in specific areas of the brain may help in treating conditions like epilepsy and migraine headaches... political dissidence, class struggle, free thinking, individualism, etc.

    Scary, fucking scary. And he's giggling about it.
  82. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    How would a "gay gene" evolve, exactly, since sex between two men or two women don't produce offspring?

    Any such pathetically antievolutionary genetic material produced by an unfortunate mutation wouldn't be fatal, but it wouldn't be passed along, either. In order for a man to produce offspring he has to perform heterosexual sex.

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  83. Keep the theaters quiet with it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now to deploy this tech at movie theaters.

  84. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by kalirion · · Score: 1

    Would most likely be a bisexuality gene that can lean one way or another to various degrees. That's where choice comes in, whether or not to accept the attraction. In any case, the urge to procreate is not necessarily stifled by being attracted to the same sex.

  85. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Abreu · · Score: 1

    Mmmmm... this is either +1 Funny or -1 Flamebait, depending on whenever poster was serious or not... Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and mod this Funny

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  86. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

    A gay uncle could be useful to the children of a heterosexual brother, since he wouldn't devote energy to raising his own kids. Apparently, the second-born son of a woman is noticeably more likely to be homosexual than the first-born, the third-born yet more likely etc. This would suggest, though, that the "gay gene", if you must call it that, wouldn't necessarely be solely -or at all- in the homosexual person, but rather in the mother, in the form of a mechanism that increases the likelihood of homosexuality.

    As for it being a matter of choice in adulthood, I'd really like to see some sources for that claim. I'm strictly het, to the point that the thought of homosexual sex is not repulsive to me. I feel only utter indifference about the idea. I don't see any way to change that, but then again, I don't have any interest in doing so, either.

  87. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by dwye · · Score: 1

    > In order for a man to produce offspring he has to perform heterosexual sex.

    How many children did Oscar Wilde's wife have?

    Or, look up Edward II of England, who is usually assumed to have been a homosexual, thanks to Marlow. He had at least five, including at least one out of wedlock (i.e., hetero sex not as part of his duty, but for fun). And, Braveheart notwithstanding, no one thought that any were NOT his, or his wife and her lover would have been executed long before Edward III's majority.

    Even today, when people can BE homosexual, rather than just feel it, gays still produce 0.5 offspring per person (vs. 2.1 or so for the average person). If there are benefits to the non-pure state, as there apparently are with the Sickle Cell Anemia trait, it will even be selected FOR in some cases.

  88. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by dwye · · Score: 1

    > he may be a little indirect at times but she doesn't
    > bring her sister, her sister's neighbour or gall
    > stones into the request.

    Or at least, you never realized it, when it happened.

  89. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Linux_ho · · Score: 1

    I'm strictly het, to the point that the thought of homosexual sex is not repulsive to me. I feel only utter indifference about the idea.

    So, thinking about a couple of hottie lesbians in a passionate embrace provokes no reaction at all? Allow me to register my skepticism.

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  90. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Eg0Death · · Score: 1

    Social norms make it necessary for a man (or woman) to marry and have children in order to "fit in", especially in the past, thus ensuring the survival of the "gay gene" in the gene pool. It could also be a gene passed on by the mother that shows up most frequently in male offspring (like colorblindness).

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  91. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    How would a "gay gene" evolve, exactly, since sex between two men or two women don't produce offspring?

    Are trying to use homosexuality in support of intelligent design?

  92. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Gawd said, "Let there be men who color coordinate and sing Broadway tunes!" and there were multitudes of flamers. The flamers did enjoy playing hide the baloney with other flamers and Gawd said "Ooopsie!"

  93. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    How would a "gay gene" evolve, exactly, since sex between two men or two women don't produce offspring?

    In humans, the answer is easy: until recently, homosexuality was discouraged and hidden, so homos frequently married and had children despite their attraction to the same sex.

    But this ignores how the "gay gene" evolved in animals, who don't have this stigma. Lots of animals display homosexual behavior. Read all about it here: Wikipedia article Somehow they seem to pass on this trait.

    In some animals (like frogs), if there's not enough of one sex in a population, some animals will actually spontaneously change sex so that they can reproduce. Perhaps homosexuality is part of all of us, inseparable from our genetic code, and only gets activated for some people.

  94. I hope it's not like that movie trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure a lot of the people who saw Iron Man saw that movie trailer...

    The first stage is that you lose your ability to speak, the second stage is that you lose all awareness of where you are, and then the final stage is death.

    That was kind of freaky.

  95. Which would probably get you back to square one by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    Or you could do something far better and more sensible and hook up with a cute guy.
    Right. Except that, judging from the couple of openly gay guys I've met, now you'd probably be stuck with a guy who acts like a woman. And I mean so stereotypically airhead college girl, that I occasionally idly wondered whether they're genuinely wired like that, or trolling for attention, or have this mis-guided idea that they must embody a stereotype. Admittedly, it's not even remotely a significant sample, and I don't know what they do at home. But i wouldn't be too surprised if you still ended up noding and going "uh-huh" while trying to watch the game and your cute guy tels you about how the place would look better with new curtains, and maybe you should move the couch one foot to the left and the bookcase to the other side, and all about _his_ aunt's gall bladder operation. "Huh? Oh yeah, honey, I was listening. No, honestly. Yes, those earrings look just great... Uh-huh... Ah-ha..." And that is if you didn't get one whose stereotype is "drama queen." You know, the kind with a persecution complex, and a need to troll and bait the whole world, try to guilt trip it, and then have a sob about how they don't accept him. Apparently just because he _needs_ to feel persecuted, and if people don't volunteer to do that out of nowhere, they have to be trolled and baited until they do. Sorta like getting a whiny overweight wiccan girl, I guess, only without the big breasts that tend to come with the fat. I like to think they're probably not the majority by any counting, so don't take it as a blanket stereotype. They do seem quite a popular role online, though, so some must exist _somewhere_. And I figure with a girl at least you can comfort yourself with thoughts like "yeah, but I guess the guys envy me for getting a missus with big breasts." Or whatever applicable. Heck, even if it's along the lines of, "ha! Vote me 'least likely to get laid' in high school, did they? Well, me and and my cute little elephant sure showed them! Bow before The Beast Master!" Somehow I think "I hope they don't know I'm dating a guy just because I can't communicate with women" isn't quite as motivational a thought ;)
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  96. Re:OK, guys. This needs to be explained by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 1

    First, exclusive homosexuality is rare in nature. If not purely heterosexual, then the animal is usually bisexual (and then usually, only when the opposite sex is not available.)

    Knowing that, here is one way that homosexuality can have an evolutionary advantage in social animals: pairings can increase your social bonds with members of the community, which makes you more popular. Being popular makes you more desirable as a sex partner. So, by limiting yourself to the opposite sex, you are depriving yourself of social bonds which can be used to boost your popularity among the opposite sex which CAN produce offspring. In other words, being bisexual can make you more popular, and popularity gets you more girls (if you are a male, that is the assumption here.)

  97. deep TMS by Abolitionist2 · · Score: 1

    If you think that was something, then you can await much more amazing effects from deep TMS, which may be only months away from being approved in Europe (sorry about FDA!) http://www.technologyreview.com/Biotech/20789/