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Parent-Friendly Wireless Bridge To Span 500 Meters?

GonnaBRichYeahYeah! writes "My dad lives down a dirt road 500 meters off the main road. The cable company will not put cable down his lane for any less than the ridiculous sum of $10,000. And he cannot get phone line DSL since he is so far away from the central terminal, so he relied on painful 22k/sec dial-up for access to the Internet. He got sick of it and relies on Hughes satellite Internet, at $60/month, but he still has to be connected to a phone line to upload to the Internet. It's not a good solution, but better than dial-up. His friend lives on the corner of the main drag with his lane and has cable, thus hi-speed Internet. I suggested that he get a wireless access point, and put it at his friend's house and then get a wireless card for access. The problem is that no wireless routers go that far (max range of -N is 200 feet) and WiMax is too complex for a 70-year old man. Any suggestions from Slashdot crowd would be helpful." Plenty of people make wireless links over longer distances, but often they're not suited for people who want simplicity and reliability. What's the best out there right now?

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  1. Consider the do it yourself way... by avronius · · Score: 5, Informative

    Supplies:
    Hoe (one per helper)
    500 meters of heavy duty conduit
    500 meters of cable (recommend that you lay fiber at the same time)

    Solution 1:
    1a: Dig a long trench from the cable termination point down the dirt road to your father's house
    1b: Dig a long trench from "the closest neighbour with cable internet" down the dirt road to your father's hose
          Ensure that the trench is at least 18 inches deep, roughly 8 inches wide

    2. Lay 500 meters of heavy duty conduit. Ensure that you are threading your cable through the conduit all the way along. Attempting to thread the cable AFTER the counduit has been completed may prove to be problematic.

    3a: Call the cable company to connect the cable to the cable termination point. Begin paying monthly subscription to cable internet provider.
    3b: If you've chosen to run the connection to your neighbhour's home, ensure that you don't piss him/her off. They are now your cable internet provider.

    4. Profit $$$

    1. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by avronius · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh yeah...
      Don't forget to fill the trench after you've installed the conduit!

      Failing to do so, may turn this solution into a bigger problem than simple "internet access"...

    2. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Supplies:
      Hoe (one per helper)


      For 500 meters?!?

      Christ on a cracker.. rent a ditch witch!
    3. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by GateGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you might be working too hard.

      Cable is considered low voltage, so in some states it does not have to be buried 18 inches. Also why would you dig a trench 8 inches wide? Rent a small trencher, it make about trench about 3-4 inches wide. Use a trench shovel to clear out the trench.

      Also, if you are using PVC, if you pull the line through as you are gluing the conduit together, you stand a great chance of gluing your pull string in place. Best thing to do is to shoot a mouse through the pipe (a mouse is a special plug that almost exactly fits a conduit that you attach a very light weight pull string to. On the other end you use a shop-vac to suck it out).

      I would also have a pull box installed every 100 meters. 500 meters would be one heck of a pull.

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    4. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      2. Lay 500 meters of heavy duty conduit. Ensure that you are threading your cable through the conduit all the way along. Attempting to thread the cable AFTER the counduit has been completed may prove to be problematic.

      nope. spool of string, a soft poofy to tie on then fo string that fits easily in conduit and a wet-dry vac. works great. I suggest pulling a string along with the wire so you can easily re-do it later or add another wire.

      BTW: 1500 feet of cat 5 does not work well for ethernet. get a pair of sdsl modems and put one at each end of the wire and you can go for 20 miles.

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    5. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hoe (one per helper)

      The mark of true friendship is helping you lay cable even when you don't hire them prostitutes in return.

    6. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by char70ger · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why not just get an aircard? You can get wireless EVDO routers like this one from keyocera. http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/264/63/ Or even get a pci to pcmcia adapter, this will allow you to use one in your PC. They sell them at newegg for under $20.00. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124021Y I used a Verizon air card for over a year and ran a 5 computer network off it. I had to use an external antenna as I had no signal with my pc on the floor in the corner of my room.It was made by Wilson they call it their "Trucker Cellular Antenna" http://www.wpsantennas.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3 It cost me 100 bucks but was well worth the investment. It wasn't cable but it sure beat dial-up. I now have a wireless setup that uses Motorola Canopy technology that rocks!!!

    7. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by spazdor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Witches and hoes.

      Aww yeah.

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    8. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by nfk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course the low tech solution would be to tie a string to a real mouse and put some cheese on the other end.

    9. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by cjb658 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One assumption you are all making is that he owns all 500 meters of the land between his place and his friend's place.


      If you want to go the wireless route, I've had good luck with the antenna "amplifier" I built from this site.

    10. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by BUL2294 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't forget to fill the trench after you've installed the conduit!
      Failing to do so, may turn this solution into a bigger problem than simple "internet access"...
      You sure about that? Having a moat would be cool!
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    11. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by iamhassi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wow this is getting expensive! Renting equipment, hiring contractors... just diy long distance wifi

      don't people google anymore before asking /.? This has even been on /. before.

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    12. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by carrett · · Score: 5, Funny

      I put on my robe and wizard hat..

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    13. Re:Consider the do it yourself way... by conureman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Plowing, eh? Sounds efficient. Can't seem to get Spear&Jackson shovels here anymore. I guess 'murkins aren't supposed to dig trenches by hand. (I should move.) The standard for High Voltage is four feet deep, keeps it a bit safer than 18". Low Voltage or Fiber, the onus is on you. I did 400' of four-inch conduit four foot deep by hand once. Last time, I went with the ditch-witch. Found a sewer line with that. (I knew it was there but the contractor who buried it said it was too deep to worry about, and would not mark it for me. Schmuck.) Once you lay the conduit you can use a shop-vac to blow a cotton puff or a rag with a thread tied to it, to pull a fatter string, then your signal element through the conduit. IIRC Cat-5e is usable for 100 meters. Personally, I'd use fiber or try to engineer a wireless solution. If you run a 18 or 20 ga. copper wire alongside in your trench, the finder guy from the utilities can use it for his signal to mark the location for you. I think orange is the color code for communications, it doesn't matter much.

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  2. Proper Antenna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just get a proper directional antenna to replace the one on the router. Do the same for your neighbor and link'em together I got one when I was living back Prague and connected with a 200kb/s link to an access point about 300 meters away (that was the speed of the connection - not the actual link). Actually, it's quite common for people to construct neighborhood networks that way (well at least in CZ)

    1. Re:Proper Antenna by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 5, Informative

      We've done 5 mile links with a pair of *old* wallmount AT&T Wavelan bridges and proper antennas on 915 Mhz. Those units were 400mw.
      Ticking along for years. 2 MBPS, faster than T1 speed. And proprietary FHSS, no freeloaders. Heh.

      You have to get the antenna up above the fresnel effect and any obstructions at the frequency in use, about 60' for 915 Mhz, more like 30' for 2.4 Ghz. Which is why 2.4 Ghz is easier. I would have no problem running that link at either frequency. It'll work fine.
      You can do it. No problems at all.
      Give good attention to the antennas, that's what you need to get it to work.

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  3. Did he lose his marbles? by pigiron · · Score: 5, Funny

    "WiMax is too complex for a 70-year old man." At what age does WiMax dementia set in?

    1. Re:Did he lose his marbles? by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Funny

      If your folks can understand WiMax, you may want to mod your parents up

      [Ducks]

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  4. Doable with 802.11g by rs6krox · · Score: 5, Informative

    500 meters is about 1,640 feet. I do that to my parents place now. I just got two Linksys routers running dd-wrt and two good outdoor antennas. With dd-wrt I cranked up the radio output a bit and have no problem getting full throughput over about that same distance.

  5. You can use wireless by Exstatica · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live near lax, but my building has really old wiring and i can't get dsl at this location, but i'm a mile from the office and once on the roof i found i had line of sight. I bought two wireless access points from ascendance, I bought the heavy ones cause i wanted to use the high performance radios so i can get 100mbit. (i work for an isp and i was able to just bring it right into my colo. But if you get http://www.ascendance.net/storefront/detail.aspx?ID=788 that should work two, you need two of them. Configuration isn't difficult, you set one as an AP and the other as a client, set your encryption and static /30 ip. and aim them at eachother. All done. On average with the standard radio you can get 20mbits up and down, and its solid enough to put voip calls over. The max range is just under 5 miles, that should cover you. Hope that helps.

  6. ALL wireless routers go that far. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I suggest learning about antennas.

    Wireless access point at each end, directional antennas, wifi goodness ensues.

    I've done 1000 meters with simple patch antennas and wrt54g routers running dd-wrt to create a wireless ethernet extension. Only heavy rain will drop the connection.

    Otherwise look up the laser types. there are hundreds of websites on how to do this simple and common task.

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  7. $318 WiFi network bridge connects two locations up by mnslinky · · Score: 5, Informative
    See if this works for you:

    There is an article at engadget about this sort of thing. It requires line-of-site, but I'm sure you could manage that.

    If you've tried every antenna and extender on the market today with subpar results, HD Communications is apt to become your new best friend. The outfit has just revealed its HD26200, a "complete outdoor wireless network bridge in the 802.11b/g unlicensed 2.4GHz band that sells for only $318." Said device bridges wireless internet between two locales up to 5 miles apart without requiring a single RF cable, being that both Ubiquiti network radios are powered over Ethernet. If you're looking for the catch, the bridge does require a direct line of sight between the two locations, but the firm is reportedly looking to expand its non-line of sight family by the summer's end.


    Link to the Article

    Hope this helps.

  8. Doing it professionally for $10K by davidwr · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are companies out there who will do a professional job of installing fixed-wireless from point A to point B.

    You may want to pay your neighbor for a utilities easement to either run a cable down his property or install point A for fixed-wireless on his property. Then, pay the cable company as normal for them to connect Point A to their hookup. You will also need to get electrical service. The up-front costs won't be cheap but it will be a lot less than $10K.

    If there are several neighbors affected, you may want to form a co-op or contract with a company who will own the easement.

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  9. This wouldn't be on Cape Cod now would it? by notthepainter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe a 300 year old cottage? Just asking...