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Google To Host Ajax Libraries
ruphus13 writes "So, hosting and managing a ton of Ajax calls, even when working with mootools, dojo or scriptaculous, can be quite cumbersome, especially as they get updated, along with your code. In addition, several sites now use these libraries, and the end-user has to download the library each time. Google now will provide hosted versions of these libraries, so users can simply reference Google's hosted version. From the article, 'The thing is, what if multiple sites are using Prototype 1.6? Because browsers cache files according to their URL, there is no way for your browser to realize that it is downloading the same file multiple times. And thus, if you visit 30 sites that use Prototype, then your browser will download prototype.js 30 times.
Today, Google announced a partial solution to this problem that seems obvious in retrospect: Google is now offering the "Google Ajax Libraries API," which allows sites to download five well-known Ajax libraries (Dojo, Prototype, Scriptaculous, Mootools, and jQuery) from Google. This will only work if many sites decide to use Google's copies of the JavaScript libraries; if only one site does so, then there will be no real speed improvement.
There is, of course, something of a privacy violation here, in that Google will now be able to keep track of which users are entering various non-Google Web pages.' Will users adopt this, or is it easy enough to simply host an additional file?"
Compared to all the other crappy media that sites tend to have these days, centralizing distribution of a bunch of Javascript libraries makes almost no sense. I doubt it would even appreciably reduce your bandwidth costs.
This is only a partial solution. The real solution is for sites using AJAX to get away from this habit of requiring hundreds of kilobytes of scrip just to visit the home page. Couldn't you design a modular AJAX system that would bring in functions as they are needed? That way, someone visiting just a couple pages wouldn't have to download the entire library. Have each function in it's own file, and then when an AJAX call is done, make it smart enough to figure out which functions need to be downloaded to run the resulting Javascript. The problem with Google hosting everything, is that everybody has to use the versions that Google has posted, and that you can't do any custom modifications to the components. I think that what Google is doing would help. But the solution is far from optimal.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
The DTD files for the basic XML schemas had been hosted centrally at Netscape and w3.org since forever. No one cares or, indeed, notices (until they go down, that is).
I can assure you, the best way to get rid of dragons is to have one of your own.
As a developer, privacy of my users is of paramount importance. I have grown increasingly concerned with Google's apparently incessant need to pry into my searches and my browsing habits. Where once I was a major Google supporter, I have trimmed my use of their service back from email and toolbars to simple searches and now even won't use their service at all if I am searching for anything that may be misconstrued at some point by guys in dark suits with plastic ID badges. The last thing I am going to do as a developer is force my users into a situation where they can feed the Google Logging Engine.
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Yes, you've gotta be careful with those incompetant sysadmins that Google are hiring.
After all, they're constantly getting the servers hacked.
Yeah, but what if Google decides that nobody is using these -- or they can't legally host them for whatever reason -- or they just decide that they don't want to do this anymore?
Think broader. What happens when:
But, yes- you're right. This is a scary new dependency. For a company full of PhD geniuses supposedly Doing No Evil, nobody at Google seems to understand how dangerous they are to the health of the web. In fact, I'd suggest they do, and they don't care- because they seem hell-bent on making everything on the web touch/use/rely upon Google in some way. This is no exception.
A lot of folks don't even realize how Google is slowly weaning open-source projects into relying on them, too (with Google Summer of Code.)
Please help metamoderate.
Additionally, if you're using compression, it is likely that one large file will compress more effectively than a collection of smaller files. (You *are* using compression, aren't you?)
Your grasp of the web sucks. Here's what happens on the second page you load on that site:
I use maybe 20KB of JavaScript in parts of my site. Why tack an extra 20KB onto each and every pageload, meaning that each takes about another 4 seconds for someone on dialup? To satisfy the screwed-up sense of purity for some premature optimization fan who doesn't really understand the issues involved? No thanks. My site is optimized for real conditions.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Nope. You're flat-out, demonstrably wrong. Try watching an Apache log sometime. You see a visitor load a page, all its JavaScript, and all of its images. Then you see them load another page, and this time they only fetch the new HTML. There are no other GETs or HEADs - just the HTML.
Inlining script isn't hard, either:Of course not. The issue is whether it's a good idea (it's not), not whether it's easy (it is).
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?