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Polar Robots to Explore the Arctic

Roland Piquepaille writes "It's now almost certain that the world's ice shelves are melting. And while satellites provide lots of data about their evolution, ground-based weather stations could be even more useful. But if scientists can no longer stay on fragile and volatile ice sheets, what can they do? They can use specially designed robots called SnoMotes developed by U.S. researchers. 'The SnoMotes work as a team, autonomously collaborating among themselves to cover all the necessary ground to gather assigned scientific measurements.' More importantly, a SnoMote is an 'expendable rover that wouldn't break a research team's bank if it were lost during an experiment,' according to the lead researcher." Reader coondoggie adds a link to another story on these robots at Network World.

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  1. Polar Robots by quarrel · · Score: 3, Funny

    'cause like, polar robots have something better to explore than like the *poles* ?

    --Q

  2. Extreme temperatures by RandoX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wonder what those temperatures will do to the battery life? Could a battery compartment warmer allow more battery life than it costs?

    1. Re:Extreme temperatures by Nos. · · Score: 4, Informative

      It sort of depends. If you're using the battery in the cold, it will discharge more quickly. If you're storing the battery, it will last longer in the cold. That's why those of us in a cold climate sometimes use a battery blanket (electric warmer) to keep the battery warm on those cold mornings. http://chemistry.about.com/od/howthingsworkfaqs/f/coldbattery.htm

    2. Re:Extreme temperatures by plopez · · Score: 3, Informative

      Batteries at lower temperatures tend to have longer lives, don't they?

      Chemistry 101, lower temperatures mean lower reaction rates. Lower reaction rates mean less voltage, power etc.

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  3. Robots, What Can't They Do? by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...my job yet, that's what :P

    When machines first began taking over jobs during the inception of the industrial revolution, I recall there being much resistance.

    I wonder, as robots do begin to take the remaining jobs, will the same resistance be encountered?

    I, for one, so welcome our robotic, network-administering, garbage-collecting, smooth-jazz-composing, polar-region-exploring robot overlords.

    1. Re:Robots, What Can't They Do? by Cedric+Tsui · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you know that the London underground trains are designed to run autonomously? They don't. Because the union had an agreement that all the trains would be driven by them.

      Yes, 'robots' are taking over our jobs, and yes there is still quite the resistance.
      Not just from the people with the jobs either. A documentary on military UAVs (don't remember the name) suggested that sometime soon, commercial airplanes would fly completely automatically with one bored pilot onboard to make the passengers happy.

  4. Add to Endangered List? by Black-Man · · Score: 2, Funny

    With the ice caps melting, do the 'bots get endangered species protection?

    1. Re:Add to Endangered List? by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd rather put Roland on that list, or at least his blog reprints of news.

  5. Both poles? by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our bi-polar robot overlords.

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    1. Re:Both poles? by shagymoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they're anything like my bi-polar ex-wife, you're going to regret that.

  6. Glorified Microscope by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A robot that goes out to collect data is just another scientific instrument to be used. Ultimately, people are still going to have to make sense of the data.

    It takes a certain kind of person to want to go out into extreme conditions to take measurements. Being able to make meaningful conclusions based on them in the field when you have other things to worry about also takes a special kind of person.

    Robots can go out, measure, and send back to you in your comfy office. The only sad thing is that we're moving towards a world of astronomers without astronauts, so to speak.

    Without the adventure there is a lot less to inspire 8 year olds -- imagine if the draw to NASA had been "hey, kids! you can wear starched shirts and use a slide rule!" instead of "you can be a kick-ass fighter pilot, get a FREE Corvette and wear an Omega watch!"

    The reality is that even the astronauts had to put on the starch and take out the slide rule, but that's not what you want to show kids up front.

    That its being shown to them now that space is mostly going to just get the machine treatment and astronauts aren't going to do much past float around not be able to go to the bathroom for a few weeks, its small wonder that the smart kids who have the wanderlust as well look at Marine Bio as the new Apollo.

    When I was substitute teaching about a year ago lots of kids wanted to be marine biologists. none of them were saying astronaut anymore.

  7. Exploring the Arctic? by MiniMike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hope they float, even if they're cheap it's going to add up quickly...

  8. Expendable? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More importantly, a SnoMote is an 'expendable rover that wouldn't break a research team's bank if it were lost during an experiment,' according to the lead researcher."
    So, when the battery gives out or the unit breaks down they are just going to leave these things out in the environment like garbage? Plastic and old batteries? Is this a good idea?
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  9. This is more significant than it may seem by querist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Allowing these devices to function autonomously is going to be quite interesting. My research involved such issues, but only in mobile software agents. I've read, and been told by some of my then-fellow-students that autonomous land vehicles are more difficult to control than UAVs.

    Combining this type of cooperation with autonomous navigation and the "bidding" system described could have some interesting commercial applications, ranging from autonomous "taxis" and delivery vehicles (such as an office-wide or city-wide version of FedEx) to branching out the bidding algorithms to help automate search and rescue efforts. Imagine if a group of specialized bots could be dispatched to look for signs of life - a large number with basic sensory capabilities that could then call in one of a smaller number of more advanced bots? Perhaps even summoning something similar to the much-chided "buddy bot" discussed earler on Slashdot.

    I know the "buddy bot" seemed silly, but if you consider the more basic functions it could be very useful. It provides two-way communication with rescuers, so you can say "I'm alone" or "I'm here with two of my children, and one of them is bleeding badly", to "I'm trapped, but I'm otherwise OK." This could help rescuers better prioritise their efforts, much like triage on the field - if someone's bleeding badly, send help sooner, while the person who is trapped but otherwise safe can hang on a little longer, and then two lives are saved instead of only one. (I fully realize that type of situation may not always work out as desired - people lie, things can collapse further, etc.)

    I also have to commend Dr. Howard for her creativity in utilizing what was essentially an "off-the-shelf" component for the main device - the little snow-mobile. Very well suited for the majority of the terrain for which it is designed.

    There is much more behind this work than first meets the eye. I'll be quite interested in watching this one develop further. Now where did my 9-year-old put that Mindstorms NXT?

  10. "Almost certain"??? by Snocone · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's now almost certain that the world's ice shelves are melting

    Funny, that's not what the actual facts show. We're at the highest ever recorded ice cover in the Southern Hemisphere right now:

    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/s_plot.html

    which already more than balances out the Northern Hemisphere's recent decline,

    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/n_plot.html

    and now that the PDO has entered a cool phase,

    http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/

    it's as certain as anything to do with climate is that you're going to see that trend smartly reverse itself as well.

    Soooooo ... only for some value of "certain" which equates to "certainly not" is that a defensible statement, methinks.

    1. Re:"Almost certain"??? by Karel+Jansens · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just check who gets more money for churning out doomsday predictions.

    2. Re:"Almost certain"??? by Snocone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope. Ice shelves break, that's what they do, even in Ice Ages. That there was a 400 km^2 chunk break off recently is really of no great consequence against the overall 1,000,000 km^2 positive anomaly. I suppose it's 0.04% supported, but it's 99.96% not supported. Not being oafish, that seems to me to be pretty clearly in the "not supported" column.

      http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg

      When you see the red line on that graph go below the long term average so that the total amount of ice is actually decreasing instead of increasing, that would contradict the above statements. A chunk here, a chunk there, that's almost certainly due to the wind and wave action of that particular area, not the temperature. If we had daily maps of the thickness of the entire ice cover, then we could see the dynamics of this progress in action and actually know why; however, as we do not have that information, we have to go with the most quantitative factual information we have, which is the graph above, which tells us that ice cover is growing.

    3. Re:"Almost certain"??? by Snocone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, first off, your choice is not whether to believe me, your choice is whether to believe the actual facts as observed by satellite. I'll leave that up to you.

      And, um, wikipedia may be a even-handed resource for some things, but climate change is not one of them. Indeed, in any academic setting, their conduct would amount to actionable dishonesty. Here, let us relate a first hand account of specifically contrafactual editing on their part: ... I undid Tabletop's undoing of my edits, thinking I had an unassailable response: "Tabletop's changes claim to represent Peiser's views. I have checked with Peiser and he disputes Tabletop's version."

      Tabletop undid my undid, claiming I could not speak for Peiser.

      Why can Tabletop speak for Peiser but not I, who have his permission?, I thought. I redid Tabletop's undid and protested: "Tabletop is distorting Peiser. She does not speak for him. Peiser has approved my description of events concerning him."

      Tabletop parried: "We have a reliable source to this. What Peiser has said to *you* is irrelevant."

      Tabletop, it turns out, has another name: Kim Dabelstein Petersen. She (or he?) is an editor at Wikipedia. What does she edit? Reams and reams of global warming pages. I started checking them. In every instance I checked, she defended those warning of catastrophe and deprecated those who believe the science is not settled. I investigated further. Others had tried to correct her interpretations and had the same experience as I -- no sooner did they make their corrections than she pounced, preventing Wikipedia readers from reading anyone's views but her own. When they protested plaintively, she wore them down and snuffed them out.

      By patrolling Wikipedia pages and ensuring that her spin reigns supreme over all climate change pages, she has made of Wikipedia a propaganda vehicle for global warming alarmists...


      http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=440268&p=1

      A less reliable source of information would be harder to imagine, friend. Even if you refuse to look at the actual facts as I do and I suggest everyone else does, you really need to find an authority to mindlessly follow -- since that's your thing and all -- that at least makes some pretension to actual scientific process.

  11. Re:Ice caps Melting ? Try again by Gat0r30y · · Score: 2, Informative

    For anyone curious, the link feeds you straight to a fairly convincing data set which would lead me to the opposite conclusion. Indeed since 2002 it would appear there has been a slight increase in the area of the Antarctic sea ice, here is a neat graph. 6 years does not a significant trend make my friend. Additionally, the overwhelming theme of the data is the significant loss multi-year sea ice - the stuff that sticks around in the summer. How precisely did you interpret this data to draw the conclusion that the ice caps are not melting, and that the Antarctic is in growth?

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  12. In related news... by SeekerDarksteel · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Cartesian robots are angry about being passed over for these jobs without even being considered.

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    The laws of probability forbid it!
  13. So why this this a problem? by imyy4u3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe I'm missing something, but I think Global Warming is a good thing. Melt all the damn ice shelves for all I care, more fresh water for us all, and better weather to boot. So what if the ocean levels rise a good 5 ft? I think the temperature benefits and the increased fresh water is a small price to pay for that. Plus the land we lose due to islands submerging will be made up in the form of land farther north or south that will now be viable.

    Also, if you look at the history of the Earth over the past few hundred thousand years, you will see the global temps are always rising and falling. I think our greenhouse gases may contribute to it a little bit, but come on, I'm sure there's some global temperature cycle most people are not taking into account.

    Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing? Seriously, maybe people need to start thinking and questioning for themselves instead of always saying "wow, I heard Global Warming is bad, let's stop it!"