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Gmail Labs Lets Users Experiment With 13 New Features

D Ninja writes "Yesterday, Google released Gmail Labs, which allows Gmail developers to decide what to include in the next feature releases of Gmail based on user feedback. As ZDNet has pointed out, essentially users are guinea pigs for these new features. Participants will vote on their favorite new features, and the ones that are voted the highest will stick around and the ones that are least popular will disappear." Reader physman_wiu points out an article at the BBC about the experiments on offer, writing: "Some of the features are really nice — like the option to use additional star icons, mouse gestures, and custom keyboard shortcuts. Others ... well, let's just say Old Snakey made it in."

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  1. HTML signatures by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All I want for Christmas is rich text (links, images) in my gmail signature... third party extensions do this but they are are a PITA

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    1. Re:HTML signatures by Slorv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >All I want for Christmas is rich text (links,
      >images) in my gmail signature...

      Fine, as long as they also enable me to filter out images and "rich" formatting.

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    2. Re:HTML signatures by smallfries · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You should try asking them. All I wanted for Christmas was group chat and now I seem to be in some sort of group chat beta. While most of my friends can't initiate group chats I've got some extra icons in my user interface that lets me set them up. It's pretty cool, and I'm not sure how I got into it other than I sent some feedback using the form buried in the gmail help and it magically appeared.

      So who know, if you ask for it you might just get it.

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    3. Re:HTML signatures by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Noooo! Just no...

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    4. Re:HTML signatures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All I want for Christmas is rich text (links, images) in my gmail signature.
      Most of the people you communicate with will be grateful as long as gmail does not offer that feature.
    5. Re:HTML signatures by hansamurai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you the guy at work using Outlook's Spring Green background with bright red font color and a 10 line signature? Yeah, just to let you know, I filter your email to plain text.

    6. Re:HTML signatures by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You remind me of the secretary's at a previous employer. When they discovered Powerpoint in about 2000, we would get emails with a Powerpoint attachment whose content included things like "The staff meeting has been postponed" or "The traffic on I83 is really bad", replete with colors, animations, and 20 different fonts. The problem was that about 1/2 of the staff worked remotely over dial-up, and attempting to open one of these missives would crash Outlook, Windows, and lock up the processor, requiring a reboot. And there was no escape -0 as soon as you opened Outlook it would attempt to download, and lock up before one was able to go offline and delete the bastard.

      In summary, KNOCK IT OFF - no one likes those dumbass signatures; your regular correspondents are simply to polite to tell you.

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    7. Re:HTML signatures by jwpeterson · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought group chat has been available to everyone for a while now... From an internal chat window I just go to Options -> Group Chat. My friends can all do this to.

    8. Re:HTML signatures by Nimey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The lot of you were equally responsible for never saying anything to the dumbass secretary or her boss.

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  2. Oh, BBC, you make it so easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Others ... well, let's just say Old Snakey made it in. That's what she said.
  3. Whats wrong with Old Snakey? by Miladinoski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its a great way to waste time while you're "working"

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  4. Non-English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Doesn't work unless you use GMail in English.
    2) Doesn't work unless you use Firefox 2 or IE 7.

    Sorry, folks... work on it a bit more!

    1. Re:Non-English? by Miladinoski · · Score: 5, Informative

      For the first one, yes, you're right but for the second one there's a workaround: try acessing GMail with http://mail.google.com/?nocheckbrowser . It works great on Opera 9.5 (atleast for me).

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    2. Re:Non-English? by Le+Jimmeh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also works in Firefox 3 (at least the RC2 that I'm using).

    3. Re:Non-English? by drcagn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also works fine in Safari...

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    4. Re:Non-English? by Tadu · · Score: 2, Informative

      3) Doesn't work unless you use the newest UI (ui=1, as needed for Konqi 3, simply doesn't show the option, luckily KDE 4.1 is round the corner)
      There seem to have been some more features unavailable unless you happen to be located in the US (just changing the language didn't cut it), so Google isn't playing nice here...

    5. Re:Non-English? by neokushan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't suppose the "it's a beta" (The labs tools, not gmail itself....although that is a little ironic) line would explain why it has certain restrictions?

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  5. Google Apps likes shiney new things too! by definate · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have Google Apps for your domain, which I liked so much I wanted to pay for it. However, now that I have it seems I am "protected" from the bleeding edge settings.

    I want to test these features, and see the bleeding edge technology.

    I have selected the "Turn on new features" and "Automatically add new Google services", however it seems as though Google Apps is treated a bit like a secondary service.

    Is the ad revenue generated more than me paying for the service? Are the services too different that they must use completely different infrastructure and so changes in one takes time to bring across to the other? Or, are the Google Apps aimed at people who really don't want new features and services?

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    1. Re:Google Apps likes shiney new things too! by broothal · · Score: 5, Insightful


      > it seems as though Google Apps is treated a
      > bit like a secondary service.

        On the contrary - it is a primary service which people are paying for, and as such not a place to release playground software. If you provide people a service they pay for, your prime objective is to deliver a stable service. Goofing around may cause some fun, but imagine the outcry if something in Gmail Labs broke the service that people are paying for.

      > Is the ad revenue generated more than me
      > paying for the service?

        Probably, but that's not the reason for labs not being available to you.

      > Are the services too different that they
      > must use completely different infrastructure

      No.

      > Or, are the Google Apps aimed at people who
      > really don't want new features and services?

        No - and eventually, when a feature has proven stable and functional, it will propagate.

    2. Re:Google Apps likes shiney new things too! by drcagn · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the article: Labs is now out to all English users (US and UK), and administrators using Google Apps can choose to enable Labs by checking the "Turn on new features" box in Domain Settings.

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    3. Re:Google Apps likes shiney new things too! by wtfispcloadletter · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's stable, but sometimes the changes take awhile to propagate. I've noticed changes appear first on my @gmail.com address then later (days or weeks) will become available on my Google Apps for Domain accounts.

      If you want to play with bleeding edge new features on Gmail, get a free @gmail.com address.

      If you want to complain, /. isn't the place unless you like talking to an empty void that can't do anything about it. Google is who you need to send your complaints to.

    4. Re:Google Apps likes shiney new things too! by definate · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've noticed Google fills my "talking to an empty void" needs quite nicely. Every time I have sent a help desk email, or tried to get help, I usually get nowhere.

      (The exceptions have been problems setting up Postini and trouble with the Calendar losing whole calendars)

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    5. Re:Google Apps likes shiney new things too! by jbailey999 · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a paying customer, you have a phone number. If they don't answer an email, phone up and ask for a supervisor and bitch. It's no different than you'd treat any other company.

      (obDisclosure: I'm a Google employee, but not in the gmail department)

  6. Re:old snakey by SpcCowboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is in plain English in the full article. Its the old school snake game.

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  7. Fix bugs first, please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The new features are all very nice, but I would like to see Google to fix all the bugs* in their IMAP-Implementation first.

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    http://weblog.timaltman.com/archive/2008/02/24/gmails-buggy-imap-implementation

  8. One feature I really miss... by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The ability to display a few days of my calendar at the bottom of the message text box (while typing) is what I really miss. This feature is available with Yahoo mail by default. If there are important events coming up, you see these as they scroll...sweet! I hope they will implement it.

  9. Re:old snakey by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 2, Funny

    So now you expect /.ers to RTFA? When did this start? Next, you'll want us to spell out our acronyms FTW.

    I, for one, do not welcome our new mandatory "RTFA before posting" overlords. :b
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  10. But not conversation disabling... by ladybugfi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm disappointed that there is no option to disable conversations either globally or per conversation. This really sucks and shows that the Google people assume way too much on how people handle their e-mail.

    For example, I regularly get a bunch of e-mails from an automated bot over which I have no control. For some reason the e-mail bot gives all sent mail the same subject line although the message contents varies. So GMail automatically decides to group these e-mails into few conversations (not one conversation but one per day or something like that). This in turn prevents me from handling these messages by tags, because tag scope is the whole conversation, not a single message.

    The only solution for this is to handle these e-mails in Thunderbird via IMAP, where conversations don't exist and I can just take the messages and tag them one by one.

    1. Re:But not conversation disabling... by physman_wiu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Go to this page and suggest turning off conversations as a new feature. A lot of people have been saying the same thing. Right now there is no way to disable it, but if enough people suggest that they add the option to disable it, it might make it in the next upgrade. https://services.google.com/inquiry/gmail_suggest/

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  11. Re:Useless stuff... by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, because as Google explain in their Labs Blog but the BBC failed to explain in the linked article, these labs features are not intended to be mainstream mail features, they are little tweaks written by Google staff in their '20% time', the time that Google gives their developers to work on pet projects.

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  12. IMAP import by Rui+Lopes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I want is the support for external IMAP-based accounts. Currently one can only do that for POP-based. Only then I'll be able to ditch completely desktop mail apps (which suck a lot, btw).

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  13. Data on usage habits by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm disappointed that there is no option to disable conversations either globally or per conversation. This really sucks and shows that the Google people assume way too much on how people handle their e-mail. I agree personally on the feature request but it's interesting you say Google "assumes". Since it is a web mail service they probably have extensive data on exactly how everyone uses the Gmail. Plus they get feedback from their own use as well as from users. Perhaps it is just not a feature in high demand? Or perhaps it is a designed in "feature" kind of like Apple's one button mouse that they are disinclined to change? Who knows for sure...

    That said, I would like tagging to not ALWAYS work on a per conversation basis. I don't mind if that is the defaults but I'd like to be able to make other choices when it makes sense. I agree there are times when it's not the most appropriate basis for sorting mail and I would like to be able to choose.
  14. Geeks using browsers for email? by clang_jangle · · Score: 2

    Am I the only one surprised at how many /.ers are using the web interface for email? After all, that's what MUAs and IMAP are for! I wouldn't dream of using my browser for that beyond the initial setup. I've put a lot of people on Gmail IMAP with mutt, TBird, Evolution, and Kmail. Aside from the winCE victims, why wouldn't everyone do it like this? Thumb drives are cheaper than ever, why risk your email account like that? Laziness?

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  15. Upload progress bar by EnsilZah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about a friggin' upload progress bar?
    I've seen it done on other sites so I know it shouldn't be too hard for them to implement.
    Why can't Google have upload progress bars on it sites, Gmail and Googlepages especially?

  16. Addressing Multiple Contacts by altek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I still can't believe their contacts list doesn't let you choose multiple contacts and compose an email to that list. I'm also shocked that you still can't go to Compose Email and then bring up your contact list from the To: field and start selecting contacts.

    If anyone knows this is possible and I'm just totally missing the boat here, please clue me in!

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  17. Re:Signature tweaks! by Doctor+Crumb · · Score: 3, Informative

    A. Because it breaks the logical order of conversation. Q. Why is top posting bad?

    Seriously, reply *after* the relevant bits of what you are replying to, and remove the rest. Your emails will be far shorter, they will make sense when you read through them much later, and you will no longer be fighting the email program.

    "Most people" prefer top posting because that's what Outlook does, not because it's practical, readable, or efficient.

  18. blah by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google isn't playing nice here


    Really? How dare they roll out their free additional features for their free product on their schedule. Don't the know everyone in the world is entitled to everything they do immediately?

    It's gotta be simple to do, right? After all, you could do it in five minutes with your eyes closed and both hands jammed up your own ass to hold your head there.
  19. I doubt Google is just doing what it wants by ilikepi314 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If memory serves me back to a few years ago when I signed up for Gmail (back when it was invite only! haha. the good ol' days), the sign-up page had in big font something like "We do email differently!". So I'm not sure its fair to say they assume things too much and do what they want; from the beginning, they advertised the conversational email as a major feature that they were experimenting with (along with tagging and archiving instead of simply creating folders). Thus, you could fairly safely say that anyone that signed up for it was interested in the new interface. If you buy lots of cherry cola from a soft drink company, they're going to believe people like cherry cola and probably produce more. Same idea, at least to me, and I don't see how that's a wrong assumption to make.

    That being said, it's popular enough now that there should probably be more customization options; but, maybe its a situation not often encountered? For instance, my Gmail is pretty good about sticking conversations together, so unless you tell them specifics on your problem, they may not even be aware it's a problem.