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35 Articles of Impeachment Introduced Against Bush

vsync64 writes "Last night, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) spent 4 hours reading into the Congressional Record 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush. Interestingly, those articles (63-page PDF via Coral CDN) include not just complaints about signing statements and the war in Iraq, but also charges that the President "Sp[ied] on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment,' 'Direct[ed] Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens,' and 'Tamper[ed] with Free and Fair Elections.' These are issues near and dear to the hearts of many here, so it's worth discussing. What little mainstream media coverage there is tends to be brief (USA Today, CBS News, UPI, AP, Reuters)." The (Democratic) House leadership has said that the idea of impeachment is "off the table." The Judiciary Committee has not acted on articles of impeachment against Vice President Cheney introduced by Kucinich a year ago.

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  1. Re:For the readers from Europe ... by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Informative

    From http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/clinton/clin826.htm How impeachment works: The Constitution gives the House of Representatives the power of impeachment - the constitutional equivalent of an indictment - and gives the Senate the power to try all impeachments. The first step in removing the president is the approval of articles of impeachment by the House Judiciary Committee. A majority vote of the full House is then needed to impeach and send the case to trial in the Senate. The chief justice of the United States presides at the trial, and a two-thirds majority of those senators present is needed to convict. Conviction results in automatic removal from office. Most of the house and two thirds of the senate are needed, and they have to decise that he has committed a crime. If so, the person being impeached will be removed from office and the next in command takes the post. *shudders at a Cheney presidency*

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  2. Disqualification from office by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Informative

    >Everyone knows Bush will be gone in seven months. What's the point?

    There's a value beyond the symbolic one. Article I, Section 3 allows the outcome of impeachment and conviction to include "disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States". We've had convicted felons re-hired into the Executive branch before. Impeachment and conviction could remove the risk of something like that happening.

  3. Re:Kucinich should know the law by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Informative

    >all that is needed is approval from the Attorney General

    The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, passed by an overwhelming bipartisan majority, requires approval from a judge for eavesdropping.

    Even if the Attorney General could repeal laws, in this case the Justice Department had decided the program was illegal and Ashcroft refused to sign off on it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051500864.html

  4. Re:For the readers from Europe ... by i_love_unix · · Score: 5, Informative

    IANACL (I am not a Constitutional lawyer) but the Impeachment process goes something like this:

    1.) One or more Congressmen in the House of Representatives present the Articles of Impeachment for consideration.
    2.) The House considers the Articles and says "yea" or "nay"; A yes vote (a simple majority is required) acts like an official indictment against the President. This is the actual "Impeachment" that everyone talks about. A common misunderstanding is that Impeachment means removal from office. That takes place in step three.
    3.) If impeached, the Senate acts as the jury in a trial presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. If convicted (this part requires a 2/3ds majority of Senators), the President is then removed from office.

    Two Presidents have ever been impeached. Andrew Johnson (succeeded Lincoln after his assassination) and Bill Clinton. Johnson resigned before his Senate trial and Clinton was aquitted. Richard Nixon was never officially impeached, but he resigned after it became clear that not only would be be impeached, but that the Senate would remove him from office.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States The Wikipedia entry has more info.

  5. Re:Sex vs. Violence by slashkitty · · Score: 5, Informative
    "attempting to impeach a president because he got a BJ"

    Correction. "Impeached a president because a lying about a BJ". Yes, Bill was impeached. Look it up.

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  6. BBC uncovers lost Iraq billions by McDutchie · · Score: 5, Informative

    On a related note...

    A BBC investigation estimates that around $23bn (£11.75bn) may have been lost, stolen or just not properly accounted for in Iraq.

    For the first time, the extent to which some private contractors have profited from the conflict and rebuilding has been researched by the BBC's Panorama using US and Iraqi government sources.

    A US gagging order is preventing discussion of the allegations.

    The order applies to 70 court cases against some of the top US companies.

    (more)

  7. Re:...Brought to you by Carl's Jr. by mwa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Then you might want to get behind the Read the Laws Act.

  8. Re:Pointless and stupid by UncleTogie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Everyone knows this won't pass. Everyone knows that this will get tabled at the first opportunity.

    They better not... their own rulebook says about the like:

    A direct proposition to impeach is a question of high privilege in the House and at once supersedes business otherwise in order under the rules governing the order of business (III, 2045-2048, 2051, 2398; VI, 468, 469; July 22, 1986, p. 17294; Aug. 3, 1988, p. 20206; May 10, 1989, p. 8814; ept. 23, 1998, pp. 21560-62; see Deschler, ch. 14, 8). It may not even be superseded by an election case, which is also a matter of high privilege II, 2581). It does not lose its privilege from the fact that a similar proposition has been made at a previous time during the same session of Congress (III, 2408), previous action of the House not affecting it (III, 2053).

    Unless they've got a darn good reason not to move along with this, they've got to deal with it...before anything else, it seems, but I'm not lawyer-shaped.

    I'm just glad someone, anyone more like, finally pointed out the emperor has no clothes...and hasn't for a while...

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  9. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here we have a US Representative reading 35 articles of impeachment (with lots of supporting documentation and citations) on the House floor and there's virtually no media coverage. There's an AP wire paragraph that's quoted about it several places and that's about it. No commentary. No detail on any of the articles. How is this possible? What the hell?! Google it yourself. NOTHING. What does it take? ITMFA!

  10. Re:Too little too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Think about it. Who is supplying the crude Sorry to burst your bubble, but the USA procures more than 2/3 of its oil from North America, the bulk of which comes from Canada.. After North America, you might think the Middle East comes second but again you'd be wrong, it's South America.
  11. Re:Too little too late... by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 5, Informative

    In all of that, not a single mention of the alternatives to oil. Not a single mention of nuclear power. Not a single mention of wind power. Not a single mention of solar power.

    But the part that gave you away, was the part about "China is drilling off the shore of Florida, that should be OUR OIL". Because, you have somehow taken the fact that the straights of florida are 90 miles wide, and HALF of them are legally within the territoy of Cuba. 45 miles is ours, and 45 miles is theirs. Cuba has leased out the dilling rights to a company from China. Whats the problem with that? If the world oil market global as you say it is, then it doesnt really matter who is drilling it, as it will be sold to the person who pays market value for it.

    Its not OUR oil, its the oil of a sovereign country that happens to be within 90 miles of our own coastline. It makes me skeptical that you chose to not present that fact in your post.

    I know you made a mistake in typing out the first can(t) in the following sentence, but the humor of saying "If he can handle an interview with Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly, then he can't handle being president!" was probably the most amusing Freudian slip Ive seen in a very long while.

  12. Re:Pointless and stupid by jeiler · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is not a (to use the passage you quote) "direct proposition to impeach"--that would be an actual "articles of impeachment," as voted on by the entire House of Representatives. Kucinich's screed would properly be called a "demand for impeachment," and it has no more authority than any other speech in Congress.

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  13. Re:You don't seem to understand the point... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Informative
    Get over yourself. Drilling in ANWR would provide no meaningful relief in oil/fuel prices. Severally studies have shown this.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/

    The report, issued by the Energy Information Administration, or EIA, said that if Congress gave the go-ahead to pump oil from Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the crude could begin flowing by 2013 and reach a peak of 876,000 barrels a day by 2025.

    But even at peak production, the EIA analysis said, the United States would still have to import two-thirds of its oil, as opposed to an expected 70 percent if the refuge's oil remained off the market.

    Don't like the price of oil? Ask your representative to push renewable technologies. Otherwise, don't wine about the price of oil. It's not our right as American's to cheap oil, so we better get over it now, before China and India are consuming more than us.

  14. Scott McClellan's book by leftie · · Score: 4, Informative

    Scott McClellan's book says not only that they were lying, it says they KNEW they were lying about the intel when they said it.

    http://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-Washingtons-Culture-Deception/dp/1586485563

  15. Re:Mod parent up by BobGregg · · Score: 4, Informative

    >In no court in the land is that perjury.

    No court except U.S. district courts, the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Arkansas Supreme Court, that is.

  16. Re:You don't seem to understand the point... by hardburn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doesn't work that way. International war crime laws apply to the rulers of all nations no matter if they sign up or not. Otherwise, every two-bit dictator could just declare that their country is immune and do whatever they want. Assuming the next President doesn't decide to throw Bush to the wolves by shipping him out, Bush will probably have to stay within US boarders lest he get picked up.

    Not that this will be a big change, since Bush hardly ever left Texas before he was elected.

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  17. easy: investigate crimes, not people by Scudsucker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Prosecutors didn't indite O.J. Simpson because they didn't like him and wanted to send him to prison for the rest of his life, they indited him because they had two dead bodies in the morgue and a ton of evidence.

    What led to Clinton's impeachment wasn't a crime he committed, but a desire among Republicans to remove him from office by any means necessary. Whitewater and Vince Foster were investigated and re-investigated and no dirt was found on the Clintons. So Ken Starr and House Republicans settled for a manufactured perjury charge.

    Whereas with Bush and Cheney, we know for a fact that they have broken the law and violated the Constitution countless times. They violated Habeas Corpus, the 4th Amendment (warrantless wiretapping), 5th Amendment (due process), 6th Amendment (speedy trials), 8th Amendment (cruel & unusual punishment) and laws against using federal agencies for partisan gain (attorney firings, Don Siegelman prosecution).

    Democrats shouldn't remove Bush and Cheney from office because they don't like them, but because they committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

  18. Re:Too little too late... by dokebi · · Score: 5, Informative
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  19. Drill Everywhere, Drill Now by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

    200 billion barrels in the Bakken Formation in North Dakota.

    ANWR

    Both coasts and the Gulf.

    We have the oil. JUst too many stupid laws that prohibit drilling for it.

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  20. Re:You don't seem to understand the point... by Ripit · · Score: 4, Informative

    drilling in ANWR... causing us to pay $4 a gallon for gas now?

    You think gas is $4/gallon because we didn't drill in ANWR?

    Gas is that expensive due primarily to a weak dollar coupled with high global demand. ANWR would do next to nothing in terms of supply. According to Reuters, http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN2934033020080429?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true, The US uses 20M+ barrels per day while ANWR would supply 40K per day in 2011 - a 0.2% gain. It rises to 780K per day by 2020, cutting our dependence on foreign crude from 62% to 60%.

    Take this tired canard and bury it, please.

  21. Re:...Brought to you by Carl's Jr. by Rycross · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thats a good idea. We should call it the War Powers Resolution.

  22. Re:...Brought to you by Carl's Jr. by Maxmin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Then you might want to get behind the Read the Laws Act.

    Ahem, I'd like to begin with a reading of the Articles of Impeachment. Here goes.

    (You know, some of these are actually plausible. It will be interesting to see where this goes.)

    Article I

    Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq.

    Article II. Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of Aggression.

    Article III. Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War.

    Article IV. Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States.

    Article V. Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression.

    Article VI. Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114.

    Article VII. Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.

    Article VIII. Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter.

    Article IX. Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor

    Article X. Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes

    Article XI. Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq

    Article XII. Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources

    Article XIIII. Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries

    Article XIV. Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency

    Article XV. Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq

    Article XVI. Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors

    Article XVII. Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives

    Article XVIII. Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy

    Article XIX. Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture

    Article XX. Imprisoning Children

    Article XXI. Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government

    Article XXII. Creating Secret Laws

    Article XXIII. Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act

    Article XXIV. Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment

    Article XXV. Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens

    Article XXVI. Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements

    Article XXVII. Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply

    Article XXVIII. Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice

    Article XXIX. Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965

    Article XXX. Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare

    Article XXXI. Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency

    Article XXXII. Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change

    Article XXXIII. Repe

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  23. Re:...Brought to you by Carl's Jr. by FredThompson · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not how classification works.

    First, to be "outed", Valerie Plame would have had to be a covert operative. She wasn't at that time. You can check the Congressional Record to read the testimony of the author of the governing regulations.

    Second, the ultimate classification authority is the President. This has a long history of precedent. If the President wishes to reveal something which is classified, that's his prerogative. The Soviet nuke missile sites in Cuba were classified information and JFK didn't need anyone's permission to reveal that.

    Third, it was Richard Armitage who revealed the information about Valerie Plame. Even the special prosecutor knew that before investigating.

    This is a country of laws, It's the usA, not the usSR.

  24. Re:...Brought to you by Carl's Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, to be "outed", Valerie Plame would have had to be a covert operative. She wasn't at that time.

    Sorry, I was barely paying attention to this thread, but couldn't help noticing this bit of misinformation.

    Plame was covert agent at time of name leak --MSNBC

    Yes, Valerie Plame Was Covert --CBSNews

    Leak Prosecutor says Plame was Covert --NYTimes

    Video: Valerie Plame confirms her covert status --thinkprogress.org

    etc.

    You may be confused because of the following misinformation campaign:

    Right-wing noise machine: Plame not covert --Salon

  25. Re:What you mean we, white man? by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow are you wrong. Hans Blix and his inspections team were in Iraq with what they described as unfettered access for 11 weeks in late 2002/early 2003. Inspectors had been denied access earlier in 2002, but the claim that the UN was never allowed to do inspections is false.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/feb/14/iraq.unitednations1

    please note that, to the best of my knowledge, no one in the Bush administration claimed Saddam was an imminent threat. that allegation started with Democrats.

    9/18/2002: Donald Rumsfeld tells Congress, "Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent, that Saddam Hussein is at least five to seven years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certainÂ--we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."

    http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/ (warning: source is biased, but comprehensive)

  26. Re:...Brought to you by Carl's Jr. by Boronx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try to remove your bias and read what I typed. The facts are the facts.

    No, it's very naive to think ANYONE a person who was supposedly an undercover agent 15 years prior has dealt with is "potentially exposed."

    What's your position here, that everyone else's cover must have already been blown in 15 years or that intelligence services are too lazy to trace back 15 years to uncover other agents?

    No, my "argument" does not rest on "the fact that Bush OK'd the leak." By definition, the President can't "leak" anything because "leaking" would involve unauthorized disclosure which, by definition, the President cannot do. It is impossible for the pre-requisite to exist. The President has the authority to declassify, at will, either explicitly or implicitly.

    You're argument rests on the fact that Bush must have given the OK to tell the press Plame was CIA. This is exactly opposite to what Bush has publicly maintained. We already know he lied when he said he'd fire anyone involved, did he also lie when he said he had nothing to do with it?

    You say "Abuse of power" is a phrase with no legal definition. I say blowing the cover of an agent who worked to stop nuclear proliferation to get back at an op-ed writer is an impeachable offense.

    As as aside, the legal basis for action against Saddam Hussein's Iraq was laid years ago. The first Gulf War was never officially ended according to the U.N. conditions and Saddam's troops kept violating the cease fire agreement.

    Which is up to the UN security council to enforce, if they feel is necessary. The passed a tough resolution, found violations, and forced Saddam to comply. Consequently, they refused to authorize the use of force. The history of 2002-2003 seems to be completely missing from the thinking of most Bush defenders.


    WRT "a campaign to make sure the secret is as widely heard as possible", it was Valerie Plame and her husband in conjunction with Vanity Fair and the traditional news media who were proclaiming a "secret" had been revealed.


    Let's see, you're leaving out Libby and Rove's successful efforts to get prominent newspapers to publish Plame's CIA role which led to saturation news coverage then months later Vanity Fair did it's bit. Where do you get these talking points?


    Joe Wilson was a paid staffer for John Kerry's Presidential campaign before he wrote the article in which he claimed the VP sent him on a secret mission to gather intel in Niger.


    By the time Wilson wrote the op-ed, he'd already warned the administration repeatedly that it's Niger claims were false, but they refused to drop the claims.


    What you are promoting fits the structure of a halfway decent conspiracy theory but only with "a willing suspension of disbelief" given the facts.


    Let's see: the administration claims that Iraq was buying Uranium from Niger, their sole evidence is a amateurishly forged document that didn't even have the right fake signatures, but *just to be sure*, Joe Wilson is sent to Niger, and finds that no, there's nothing to the story, writes an article to that affect.
    And you believe the administration and doubt Wilson even though Saddam already had a stockpile of yellow cake, and he didn't have a nuclear program, and not a single piece of real evidence of a Uranium deal has ever been found anywhere in 5 years since. Now that's what I call "a willing suspension of disbelief".

  27. Re:A lot of people respect Dennis Kucinich by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's a well respected US representative, which is more than you will ever accomplish. He received the Ghandi Peace Award from the Quakers (who know a thing or two about peace.) He helped draft the US National Health Insurance Act. Voted against the Patriot Act. Voted against the Military Commisions Act. One of only six with the balls to vote against the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act. Advocates withdrawal from NAFTA. Much more I can't think of for now, but basically he has taken a principled stand on all the issues that matter to me.

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