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EFF To Fight Border Agent Laptop Searches

snydeq writes "The EFF and the Association of Corporate Travel Executives have filed an amicus brief with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals requesting that the full court rehear and reverse a three-judge ruling (PDF) that empowers border agents routinely to search files on laptops and mobile devices. The case in question involves US citizen Michael Arnold, who, returning from the Philippines in July 2005, had his laptop confiscated at LAX by custom officials after they opened files in folders marked 'Kodak Pictures' and 'Kodak Memories' and found photos of two naked women. Later, when Arnold was detained, officials uncovered photo files on Arnold's laptop that they believed to be child pornography. In addition to raising Fourth Amendment issues, the amicus brief (PDF) reiterates the previous District Court ruling on Arnold's case regarding the difference between computers and gas tanks, suitcases, and other closed containers, 'because laptops routinely contain vast amounts of the most personal information about people's lives — not to mention privileged legal communications, reporters' notes from confidential sources, trade secrets, and other privileged information.'"

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  1. Bad Case by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I agree with the privacy infringements, I really wish it wasn't someone suspected on child porn complaining about it. It certainly won't garner much support from the general public, informed or not.

    1. Re:Bad Case by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What it really takes to get this child porn nonsense to stop is that finally somebody important (CEO of large company, politician of major party) will be framed with some.

      Until then, you can't even discuss the issue without being suspected of being a perv.

    2. Re:Bad Case by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well true, but two naked photos of grown women (I assume that's what the initial search uncovered) do not constitute "probable cause" to search for kiddie porn.

      It's a fluke, from what I've understood of this case so far, that they uncovered child porn in the first place. The problem I have is that the "search" of the laptop initially produced something unrelated to a search for kiddie porn. Nudity != perverse pictures of children.

      Even though this particular case shows a "positive" from the investigation, we need people to realize that in our system of justice and freedom the ends do not justify the means. We have protections and guaranteed rights (not granted ones) because we are protecting people from the system's possible abuses. We grant them power but never in exchange for our rights and freedoms. That is a common misconception of the "great unwashed" and it's up to us (and the EFF is helping) to educate people.

      We need to focus away from the actual child porn found and focus on how they got to that... If we don't, the end result will become the justification, and like The Patriot Act, we'll be stuck with something that endangers us all.

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    3. Re:Bad Case by elp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thats why child porn is so great for false accusations. You accuse someone of it and its almost impossible to prove your innocence. If you are feeling brave or you live in a slightly more chilled country search P2P for the R Kelly child porn video. She doesn't look or act even slightly underage but to anyone who hasn't seen it R Kelly is instantly an evil child molester and pornographer.

    4. Re:Bad Case by DrLang21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering that two underage teens were prosecuted for statutory rape for having sex with eachother, I don't think that is enough to get it to stop.

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  2. It was never a problem before. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the past, the time before computers, you never traveled with all your personel papers, love letters, note books, and your corporate trade secrets in your luguage because the border gaurds would be searching your stuff and possible reading it. So why is storing it on a computer so different. If you do not want it looked at don't put it there.

  3. Waiting for another Geek Squad incident... by FataL187 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how long it will be before we hear about how the customs agents have a shared collection of porn from all the hard drives they search.

  4. Re:Strong encryption for personal data by jeiler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Strong encryption is an answer, not the answer. In this particular case, there should have been no need for any encryption: computer data should not be searchable without a warrant or probable cause. And no, "I need to see if you're carrying pictures of naked kids" is not probable cause without substantive evidence of wrongdoing.

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  5. Re:Good luck with that one! LOL! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dude, this was AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. They treat us like Bin Laden's favorite, too.
    Right. It's not about paranoia regarding 9/11 or anything else. It's about control. Scare everyone to death, make everyone walk around with papers, take away everyone's rights and tell them it has it's for their own protection against the big, bad ugly terrorists.

    Anyone know the last time this tactic was used? Oh yeah, Nazi Germany.

    (first Godwin!)
  6. Re:Boot to command line by robot_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's say you do that.

    Which of the following two scenarios is more likely:

    1. Government official says, "this guy is obviously a smart ass. I'd better just give him back his things and let him go."

    2. Government offiical says, "this guy is a smart ass. I'd better confiscate his computer permanently."

    I mean, I realize it's funny to say they won't know how to deal with a command prompt, but if you think that their ignorance will lead to them leaving you to pass unmolested, you're being hopelessly naive. You might as well suggest that if you simply put a lock on your briefcase and claim you don't have the keys they're going to wave you right through.

    No. No they're not going to do that. You won't like what they're going to do.

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  7. Re:Seizure the real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a perfect world, search wouldn't be a problem. Privacy rights exist because police agents, custom agents, administrative officials are all fallible humans that are allowed to have weird opinions, small IQ, various beliefs and can usually be bribed. I agree with you in principle, but I would argue that any "rights" exist on a much stronger basis than "to protect us."

    A right is a fundamental, inherent to the existence of a human being. You have the RIGHT to live, not to protect you from someone taking that right away form you, but because here you are.

    Privacy PROTECTIONS exists because any and all people in a position of power have opportunity to abuse their authority for personal gain, thus violating your RIGHT to privacy.

    You could as well say the Constitution grants you rights. This isn't true at all. There are no Constitutionally granted rights, only Constitutionally protected ones.

    I know this sounds like quibbling over semantics, but I think there's an important fundamental distinction here.

    Now I'll climb off my soapbox.
  8. Re:Seizure the real problem by Falstius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Privacy is not a right the limited to the technical elite. The proverbial 'grandma' should be able to expect crossing the border to "just work" without having to set up full disk encryption (which if discovered they would detain you for until you unlock it, so you need to know how to hide it and then make a second dummy installation for them to discover and this really all sounds like a bunch of bullshit to go through when you think about it). The solution is to demand our individual rights, not to hide behind technological barriers.

  9. Re:Seizure the real problem by palegray.net · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, you won't be done with this problem at all. You're still complicit in the stomping of the privacy rights of U.S. citizens. It will get worse, I assure you.

    I'm not saying encryption is a bad practice (hell, my workstation's partititions are *all* encrypted). I'm simply saying that finding a way around the system isn't a suitable replacement for long term efforts to fight it.

  10. Re:Seizure the real problem by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is their job again ? To check that goods entering are legit and that people entering are legit. Information that you have to CARRY are not trade goods but private data that you can't easily prevent carrying. They may revel some past criminal activity from their owner but determining this is the role of a court, not a custom authority. A custom only has to stop known criminals.

    And if you want, I can elaborate on why separating judgment and enforcement of a judgment are activities that must be carried by different organizations.

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  11. Re:Seizure the real problem by palegray.net · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hiding and encrypting your data is a good idea in general, even when not crossing the border. Here's the problem, though... how long until the mere presence of any encryption software whatsoever is taken as open permission to confiscate your gear until you feel like giving them the passphases they want? Who says you'll ever get it back at all, or won't wind up on a watch list? Aggresive legal measures need to be taken now to stop this crap.

    To me, the most idiotic part is the fact that anyone sufficiently sophisticated to harbor a lot of illegal information, or information deemed dangerous to national security, would most likely be smart enough to send it over the net to its intended destination via an encrypted link. Oh, wait... does that mean the government will start considering data streams entering our country as liable to unquestioned search? Think about it.