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Google, Yahoo, and the Elephant In the Room
CWmike writes "Linda Rosencrance reports that despite assurances from Google and Yahoo that their online advertising deal doesn't need regulatory approval, the two companies should not be too quick to dismiss Microsoft's influence on Capitol Hill. Andrew Frank, an analyst at Gartner, said both Yahoo and Google will benefit from the deal, but he also said Microsoft will do everything in its power to bring the arrangement to a screeching halt. 'Expect Microsoft to challenge it and come back aggressively with some search plans of its own,' he said. Rob Enderle, of the Enderle Group, said Microsoft is a formidable opponent and knows how to play politics. 'Without Microsoft, this probably would stand up to regulatory scrutiny,' Enderle said. 'But Microsoft has increased its presence on Capitol Hill significantly ... and there are restraint of trade issues, so by the nature of Google's size and because Microsoft is going to be pounding on a lot of doors, I think this is going to be a problem.'"
No matter how many times it's done, it's always amazing to see people endorse corruption. The anti-trust trial, destruction of competitors, ISO have all left a bad taste in people's mouth. Yet it seems there's always someone that says these "sharp" business practices are good and another that demands people respect them.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
I heard that Yoo-hoo is going to buy them both as soon as they can work the name thing out.
Rob Enderle is an idiot and a compulsive liar. He's also a paid Microsoft shill. His comments on the SCO v. IBM and SCO v. Novell, etc. were always something along the lines of "SCO is going to win. SCO has a good case. Linux contains pirated UNIX code." And so forth. If Rob Enderle told me the sky was blue, I would run outside and check for myself.
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Google and Yahoo should start their own operating system business...just to make a point
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I guess they can do more than just throw chairs around.
Either way, if they do, it still amounts to a temper-tantrum.
... but the Google-Yahoo deal is non-exclusive, so I guess that'll get them off the hook.
I do find it quite ominous that Microsoft has been put on the defensive, and they can only try to defend by making the government stop their competitors.
They are influential, but it is growing ever more obvious they cannot compete with their own tech, no matter how much money they may have.
It's sad, really.
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Rob Enderele, Rob Enderele, Rob Enderele, where do I know that name?
ah, thats where
http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2007/09/24/sco-linux-and-rob-enderle-a-conclusion/
http://daringfireball.net/2003/12/enderle
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34004/128
As far as i'm concerned, that man has ZERO credibility.
Rob Enderle, of the Enderle Group...
The guy who suggested SCO had a case, spoke at one of their annual meetings. Which put him the company of tech luminaries such as Maureen O'Gara. Seems like he spends the bulk of his time being an "independent" shill for Microsoft. Why do news organizations keep turning to a tool like him for quotes?
How much PR money does it take to wield that much influence over tech media?
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
I am really starting to get annoyed with Yahoo and how they are handling this. They are a beaten company, because they just sat around and did nothing... Google crushed their future business model, and now instead of letting themselves be purchased by what appears the best fit from a competition standpoint, they instead are poisoning it in a number of ways.
I am certainly no fan of MS, but Google definitely needs to stay nervous in my opinion. This will, they will not eventually fall into the same trap that Yahoo did.... The trap of laziness...
Rob Enderle, Rob Enderle, Rob Enderle, where have I heard that name?
Ah, that's where.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=enderle+site%3Agroklaw.net&btnG=Search
As far as I'm concerned, that man has zero credibility
A related story talked about the odd assortment of fake groups opposed to these deals.
That's from the same paper that covered the spamming of Senators by a M$ PR firm against the anti-trust trail. You might also remember them claiming to represent blind people opposing ODF. That spamming fooled no one at the time, so you wonder why they keep trying to pull the same stupid trick.
Intellectual property was the desert property of the twenth century.
Google cut the deal such that if somebody else buys Yahoo, then Google get 250M (poison pill). What happens with that?
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I mean, after all, Microsoft knows absolutely nothing about monopolozing markets right?
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all he would have to do is remove that toupee and he is instantly transformed in to that Video Professor guy...
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=video%20professor
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&q=Rob+Enderle
they sure look like the same guy to me whom cater to the clueless...
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It's true that M$ is throwing its weight and money around Washington.
The question is if Enderele's mouth helps or hurts the soft. These kinds of statements are designed to manipulate people on Wall Street, but they are smarter than M$ thinks they are.
Intellectual property was the desert property of the twenth century.
1. Rob Enderele is indeed an ill-informed shill.
2. Particularly after Nellie Krooes has noticed the OOXML/ISO debacle, and while it is an election year in which the EU will be disposed to put up will even less shit from the US it would behove M$ to be ___very___ careful.
3. People outside the US are now fully pleased that the crooks that brought you the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis and the Credit Crunch and are now in the midst of the Oil Price scam have managed to buy sufficient of your 'Hill' to make this kind of comment credible.
The next Administration needs to ensure that the 'Hill' on the take, pork, and bought influence are exposed, and continued perpetrators see the inside of Fort Levenworth, which is where Gates and Balmer should already be for the buy ISO fiasco.
The US no longer has high ground or moral influence.
to say exactly what Microsoft wants him to say. We might not believe regulators will do the same.
Sounds like a classic example of attacking the person rather than what he is saying
The fact is that nothing he says can be trusted, because he's in the pay of Microsoft. Furthermore we have substantial evidence he is happy to lie for money (viz SCO). Wouldn't you like to know that before you waste your time on his press release that is clearly angled to spread FUD about Microsoft competition?
you had me at #!
Saying that he's been consistently wrong
Remember the old saw about those who do not learn from history.
Now, he MIGHT be correct this time. But also remember that it is possible to get the correct answer with faulty "logic" and false "facts".
...for what Microsoft has been trying to do for the past few months: make them and Yahoo ONE COMPANY. For them to argue that Yahoo and Google cooperating on one deal is worse than them wanting to cooperate with Yahoo on everything would be ludicrous. I wouldn't put it past them to try, but it'll never fly.
This seems more than a little disingenuous of Microsoft considering they wanted to do the same thing with Yahoo! against Google. I would hope that even a junior politician in Washington would see the truth of it. If not, they better be aware that they may be voted out of office should they side with MS on this issue.
I hope something is simultaneously done about their monopoly.
well given how much this line has been used against them, its hardly surprising that they want to see google judged in the same way.
Or is that 'they want to use it as an excuse to stop google from beating them into a messy pulp on search'.
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Sad? That raw money can't buy power?
I call that inspiring.
Quoted in The Register yesterday,
The US Justice Department is also looking at the deal. This is the same administration that gave M$ a slap on the wrist for it's proven anti-trust behavior, so this kind of corruption is not entirely surprising. That does not make it any less outrageous or obvious.
This is the influence Enderle is talking about but it should be waning. The current administration's time is up.
Apparently there's a chance twitter is experiencing schizophrenia, as he seems to have a number of Schneider's first-rank symptoms.
Delusions of being controlled by an external force; Tux The belief that thoughts are being inserted into or withdrawn from one's conscious mind; Microsoft The belief that one's thoughts are being broadcast to other people; /. Hearing hallucinatory voices that comment on one's thoughts or actions or that have a conversation with other hallucinated voices. All his various sock puppet accounts that he's actively using and abusing to hold a conversation with himself.
...it's just cruel to describe him as an elephant.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
There's nothing trollish about the above. The fake groups are part of the corruption and the LA Times story covers it well.
I think they are making a "capitol" mistake. They should stick with their core business. Producing Snow Vista.
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> 'Expect Microsoft to challenge it and come back
> aggressively with some search plans of its own,'
Yes. Because its search has been a success so far.
Seriously,... what does come back aggressively with some search plans of its own even mean? Where they gonna abandon search? Of course not mister obvious.
> Microsoft is a formidable opponent and knows
> how to play politics.
Attaboy Robbie boy, your head is almoooost all the way in!
Who besides John Dvorak actually cares what this moron says? Seems his paid infomercials pieces are the only time you mention him...
But we will miss him in a few years.. just like we miss Goatse. We;ll gather on some site and shoot the bull about the old days on the net and someone will say; "What was the name of that moron who ran his (undermanned) one man think tank and used to write the stupidest thing about Linux?"
Long live RobukakEnderle.
isn't it common knowledge by now that twitter and ibane (and odder and mactrope and all the rest) are the same person? how can i get voted up if i'm replying to myself??
It is going to be an interesting showdown of powers.
I stopped reading the article summary as soon as I saw Enderle's name in it. The entire article must be bullshit from start to finish.
If I didn't have absolutely NOTHING to do, I wouldn't be here.
A stock that's flat is one that's losing value to inflation. Don't try to tell me their dividends keep up with it. Buying M$ anytime in the last ten years has been like flushing money down the toilet, but it's worse for M$ because stock options were a significant part of employee compensation. They have lost the ability to offer that and are no longer able to attract tallent.
Intellectual property was the desert property of the twenth century.
the water goes in
hydrogen and oxygen
the energy flows
...until someone else holds the monopoly.
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
Awww... I couldn't find anything about elephants in the article :(
Wouldn't it be nice if all Americans had the access to officials that only lobbyists get?
Access is the coin of the politician realm. The "go along to get along" culture means that they're always talking out of every side of their mouth to accommodate every conversation they've had that doesn't get them indicted. So just inserting your point of view into their environment is the key to carrying your point of view into legislation.
Every elected official should be required to fill their calendar from their constituents first, after they schedule meetings with their official staff. They should be allowed to reserve up to 1/3 of their office hours for people outside their constituency. Within those groups, people whose agenda is personal, even if they're the principals of their corporation or organization (eg. on its Board of Directors, shareholder committee, or executive tier) should all get equal access to the official. And every agenda should be published in their calendar, as well as the list of meeting attendees. Except in rare cases of actual national security, which must be confirmed by the relevant security committee in Congress, in order to be kept secret (though not from that oversight committee).
We shouldn't have to wait for the paid corporate reps to get done deciding everything for a gang of figureheads. We're a republic. These people are supposed to represent us every day, not just on the campaign leading up to the Election Day "accountability moment".
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After vista do they really need to embrace the Bush way of doing things?(turning whatever one touches to shit)
Maybe instead of corporate bulling company's that won't merge with your dieing company you should make a good OS that is worth buying before you run out of your money...
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and MSFT is just going up...
Not according to the two year chart. Averages out to be pretty flat. Especially compared to Apple. I might wonder where the revenue growth is going to come from? Vista?
They do have a high profit margin and lot of cash but there's nowhere to go but down. Unless they suddenly wake up one day with a commitment to value instead of just revenue, nothing is going to change.
I think he's right to short them.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
And IMHO all this talk of MSFT buying the Yahoo search is a red herring meant to stall while they hope that Icahn can take control of Yahoo and the can snatch up the whole thing. Because if you look at the numbers while Google rules the search Yahoo comes out ahead in webmail. And when combined with Hotmail that would give them a BIG share of the webmail market,which means not only more ad revenue but a ton of data to mine from all those emails. My guess is MSFT is going to try to keep the uncertainty going in the hopes Yahoo stocks will be driven further down and Icahn can take control,at which point they will buy it for less than their original offer. But that is my 02c,YMMV
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Hell hath no fury like Microsoft scorned.
Actually, yes, I have.
It's terrible.
Ads galore; I had the misfortune of accessing them without AdBlock, and boy, was I appalled.
I would never ever use any of their services.
In fact, I see the eerie connection between the bloatedness of Facebook, which I really should clean up (were it not for the fact that I barely use it anyway) and Microsoft's desire to buy it.
And IMHO all this talk of MSFT buying the Yahoo search is a red herring meant to stall while they hope that Icahn can take control of Yahoo and the can snatch up the whole thing. Because if you look at the numbers while Google rules the search Yahoo comes out ahead in webmail. And when combined with Hotmail that would give them a BIG share of the webmail market,which means not only more ad revenue but a ton of data to mine from all those emails. My guess is MSFT is going to try to keep the uncertainty going in the hopes Yahoo stocks will be driven further down and Icahn can take control,at which point they will buy it for less than their original offer. But that is my 02c,YMMV
Funnily enough, recently I wondered whether Microsoft was trying to raise Yahoo! stock, since every time they fail to take them over, Yahoo! stock falls -- but not to pre-takeover-attempt depths.
I wonder if they can actually pull off something like what you suggest; the current trends speak against it, but what do I know, Captain, I'm a linguist, not a financial analyst!
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Which means if Icahn takes over (if you read his exploits he is notorious for stripping a company and leaving the rotting corpse ala TWA) they might be able to score it for $21-26 a share, which will still look good to the shareholders if it is trading at $15 and they blame it on Yang. So all this "Yes we will...wait we changed our minds" talk from MSFT may end up making them a killing by dropping the bottom out of Yahoo stock and helping them with a raider on the board that will let them gut the company anyway they like.
Me personally the day MSFT buys Yahoo will be the day I close out my Yahoo accounts. They have simply screwed Hotmail and anything else web related that they have gotten their hands on too badly for me to trust them with my mail. Anybody know of a good webmail that still has folders? Call me old fashioned but Gmail making everything like chat drives me nuts. I need my folders,dang it! But that is my 02c,YMMV
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This "elephant" doesn't happen to be carrying a chair, does it?
Me personally the day MSFT buys Yahoo will be the day I close out my Yahoo accounts. They have simply screwed Hotmail and anything else web related that they have gotten their hands on too badly for me to trust them with my mail. Anybody know of a good webmail that still has folders? Call me old fashioned but Gmail making everything like chat drives me nuts. I need my folders,dang it! But that is my 02c,YMMV
I find labels much more practical than folders.
What exactly bothers you about them?
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I was one of those first invited to use Gmail back in the old days,so I really tried to like the chat style,but I simply found that I ended up wasting more time trying to find the same email that took seconds in Yahoo mail. So I will continue to look until I can find a nice,preferably free webmail that will allow me to use folders. Because, at least in my case,once size doesn't fit all. But that is my 02c,YMMV
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To each his own, I guess.
However, the labels are shown at the left side of the screen, so they're just as accessible as folders. And filters work nicely, sorting incoming mail into folders just fine.
So either I don't understand what exactly you're saying, or we simply have extremely different approaches to webmail.
Either way, good hunting.
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I thought that was you, you pointless zealot. how many accounts do you have now??
So while Gmail works fine from my 3Ghz,even with basic HTML as default it still spikes the CPU way too much for my liking on my other machines. I am a firm believer of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and this little 1.1Ghz with Win2K Pro certainly isn't broke,as it works beautifully on everything BUT Gmail. I also deal with a lot of older SOHO shops and consumers with older machines and most avoid Gmail for the same reason. That is why I personally hope MSFT doesn't buy Yahoo and my Yahoo mail stays the nice,easy to use,folder centric mail that it has always been. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV and I'm glad Gmail works for you.
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I sometimes use a 600 MHz Duron machine for GMail. I haven't had such an issue.
It isn't the fastest, but nothing of the sort. And I don't even sort the majority of my mail.
2. Because of the "dump everything in the inbox" nature of Gmail it insists on loading my full inbox when first launched which makes number 1 even worse.Proper filters can sort the mail to whatever labels you choose and remove them from the Inbox.
Therefore, you're doing something wrong.
3. Because replies are treated as part of a "conversation" instead of replies it is impossible to simply single out a reply because it insists on loading the entire conversation,which in my case can be very long. See number 1 for why this is not good.You have a point here.
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