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Early Look At ASUS Eee PC 901 With Intel Atom CPU

Posted by Soulskill on from the chip-off-the-old-block dept.

Might E. Mouse writes "Reviews are hitting the net for the first Intel Atom-powered netbooks, and TrustedReviews has posted one for the ASUS Eee PC 901 20G Linux Edition. Has ASUS won the Atom(ic) war before it even started? With features like Wireless-N and a 6600mAh battery good for four to seven hours, that might well be the case. TR rated it highly, but I'm going to wait for their MSI Wind review before making a purchase — their first look at the Wind showed a better keyboard and larger storage." An anonymous reader notes that despite the increased capabilities, the 901 debuts at a lower cost than its predecessor.

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  1. settling dust - I'll wait a year by Bananatree3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    with MSI, eeePC, XO v2.0 and a host of other micronotebooks, I'm going to wait another year for it all to solidify. There's a lot of speculation right now, and I'd like to see a market tested, proven platform I can compare to all the others before I buy.

    1. Re:settling dust - I'll wait a year by melonman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can understand that, but, if you followed that logic consistently, you'd never buy a computer at all. I bought a 701, which I liked apart from the screen. Then I bought a Windows 900, on which I've installed Kubuntu, and I'm quite happy with it. It's a bit irritating that the next model is out already, but I'll be using mine on a series of train trips next week. If I had done things your way, I'd be reading magazine reviews instead of doing any work...

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    2. Re:settling dust - I'll wait a year by bgfay · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought the same thing last year and then, when my folks, brother, and wife couldn't think of anything else to get me for Christmas, I suggested the Eee 701 8G. I got it on a whim, thinking it would be a good toy. And it is. But I was surprised by how much work I can do on the thing. Most of the time, it's my primary computer.

      The keyboard takes a lot of knocks in reviews, but listen to the people who have had one for a while. I have meaty fingers and I can type fast on the thing. The screen is too small, but I hook up to a monitor when I'm home or at work and at other times use Firefox's fullscreen mode. It works.

      As for waiting for the market to settle down, I get too excited for such a logical, well-reasoned approach. Besides, for five-hundred, I was willing to give it a shot. I'll probably grab a 901 for my 40th birthday and pass the 701 down to my six-year -old. She's already using it whenever I'm not on the thing.

      I'm not saying that you shouldn't wait. If that's what you want to to do, go for it. But if you can get someone to let you borrow one for a few days (a week would be great) I bet you'll find you're ready to go.

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  2. FOSS is working as intended by speedtux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it had been up to Microsoft and Sony, we'd still be stuck with overpriced $2000 executive toys running Microsoft Vista like molasses.

    FOSS has made it possible to create these machines and circumvent Microsoft's near monopoly, because if any of these companies had asked Microsoft to keep XP going for ultralights, Microsoft would have told them to go f*ck themselves. FOSS has also made it possible for these companies to design and sell $400 machines.

    And the motivation for it all has not been that people begrudge Bill Gates his collection of 19th century gold plated toilet plungers, but the fact that people want choices and free markets in software and hardware. All Microsoft has to offer is a gigantic marketing budget and Stalinist central planning.

    1. Re:FOSS is working as intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is not thanks to FOSS, but thanks to Negroponte who thought that cheap PCs could be produced.
      We know how much Microsoft and Intel tried to stop the OLPC project...

    2. Re:FOSS is working as intended by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      FOSS has made it possible to create these machines and circumvent Microsoft's near monopoly...

      I'm not sure FOSS made their existence possible, but it certainly made this price differential possible:

      The Wind appears to be solidly constructed out of hard plastic--unlike some early mini-laptops, which feel about as sturdy as a Styrofoam mini-cooler. At 10 by 7 by 0.8 inches, the Wind resembles some pricier portables--enough so that the list price of $399 (or $499 for the Windows XP version) seems like a bargain. Wait a week and we'll be able to tell you whether it's worth the money.

      Computerworld

      The mini-notebook phenom has most definitely highlighted the Windows tax on computer hardware. And it's nice to see examples of having that price differential clearly illustrated. And that's the way it should be. If you feel having Windows adds $100 of value to your notebook, by all means go right ahead and fork over the $$$.

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    3. Re:FOSS is working as intended by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to its full potential, though...

      Why wouldn't you put a different CPU in an UMPC? Sure, an Atom CPU is low-power, but it's also held back by the x86 architecture. Drop that, and you lose binary compatibility (a small loss for this application) in exchange for even better battery life. An UMPC based on ARM, Mips or low-power PPC core could be even more awesome than one based on Atom.

      I can understand that people want x86 compatibility, even for a small UMPC running Linux. But with this market exploding, I'm sure there is (or will be) room for a niche market of non-x86 UMPC's. Let's hope some manufacturer steps in there.

    4. Re:FOSS is working as intended by erikina · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It gets tiring seeing the same arguments over and over, so I'm not going to rehash the arguments in Intel's favor.

      On a side note, no matter how you look at it - your hero Negroponte sold out. It's amusing how on their website one of the "5 core principles" is open source software. And to much acclaim, they publicly refused to use Mac OS (which was offered for free) and then turn around and license XP. (Oh yeah, and disagreements with Negroponte is the reason Intel walked away)

    5. Re:FOSS is working as intended by couchslug · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Drop that, and you lose binary compatibility (a small loss for this application)"

      Sell THAT idea to people who want the convenience of running the same binaries on all their machines.
      What do you think makes small x86 computers so popular?

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    6. Re:FOSS is working as intended by cmacb · · Score: 4, Funny

      And the motivation for it all has not been that people begrudge Bill Gates his collection of 19th century gold plated toilet plungers, but the fact that people want choices and free markets in software and hardware.
      I find it disgusting that people continue to pick on Bill Gates and his enormous wealth. Don't forget that he not only *invented* the PC, but also wrote most of the software that runs on it.

      Furthermore, he is devoted full-time now to charitable works, such as providing 19th century gold plated toilet plungers for Africa!
    7. Re:FOSS is working as intended by colmore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't know much or care much about the man, but OLPC has been a good example of how (in everything) great tech isn't enough to solve a problem. The lack of teacher training and software interfaces designed for those totally unfamiliar with computers have (temporarily, one hopes) held the project back.

      But still, even if it hasn't been the revolution for every single kid that it was dreamed to be (and given the kind of rhetoric surrounding the project -- there's no way it could fully live up to expectation. People in the international activism world rolled their eyes too.) it's a Very Good Thing. Now a techy teenager in Mali has a much better chance of getting her hands on a real computer than she did before the project.

      DIY tech and microfinancing are fantastic ways of providing meaningful aid.

      Whether or not Negroponte maintains full OS orthodoxy and where he stands on MS vs Apple is certainly interesting to ME but I'm hardly the person who matters in this discussion, and that kind of thing is hardly the most important issue.

      Efforts to assist the underdeveloped world that aren't just bags of food or plans to turn them into a labor market for western business should be applauded, not nitpicked.

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    8. Re:FOSS is working as intended by speedtux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Very valid point. It was XO that started it all,

      Started what? Cheap computers? I don't think so. We had the Sinclair ZX80, the Commodore 64, the TRS80-100, the Apple eMate, and the Dana Alphasmart, all the ITX-based machines, to name just a few. (Some of them missed their price targets, but then so did the XO.)

      This notion of cheap/easy-to-use computers for education/the masses comes back about once a decade. OLPC was a little ahead of the curve this time, but it's hardly ground breaking.

  3. Outdated chipset by niko9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It worries me that the chipset consumes more power than the CPU itself. Since my
    Thnkpad X40 sub note book is working just fine, I guess I'll hold off until the next revision of the Atom
    platform is released and then reevaluate.

    1. Re:Outdated chipset by aliens · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What difference does the power drain of the chipset make if it still gives you 7 hours battery time?

      Sure, a lower wattage chipset would give you more, but what exactly is there to worry about?

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    2. Re:Outdated chipset by niko9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What difference does the power drain of the chipset make if it still gives you 7 hours battery time?

      Sure, a lower wattage chipset would give you more, but what exactly is there to worry about?

      What difference does the power drain of the chipset make if it still gives you 7 hours battery time?

      Sure, a lower wattage chipset would give you more, but what exactly is there to worry about? The difference is if Intel had mated the Atom CPU with a more apropos low power chipset you would be paying
      same amount of your hard earned money for an ultra portable that had maybe 14 hours or more of battery life.

      Imagine that. A sub note with close to 20 hours battery life, much like the Tandy 100.

      As of now, the Intel Atom is mated to a 3-4(?) year old 945 chipset. Sounds like something was missed here.
    3. Re:Outdated chipset by abirdman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Tandy 100 had no storage (plug in a cassette tape if you want to run or save a program), a 300 baud (maybe went up to 1200 baud) modem with cups that fit over the phone handset (which are no longer common), something like 256K of RAM, and a 24 x 8 character text only display. No network. No storage, no lighted display, no mouse, no pointing device or any kind, no USB ports, no sound, no wireless, no network software. They stopped making them because people stopped buying them. Sure the batteries lasted a long time. They had nothing to do. I believe we can stop romanticizing them.

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  4. Still one thing missing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is for Asus to sell the Eee without an OS so we can avoid the Microsoft tax.

  5. Re:"A full school day" by symbolset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This works for me. If nothing better comes out in the next few weeks this or the MSI Wind is going back to school with my kids in the Fall.

    It's small, cheap, light enough. It'll serve them all day. I don't have to freak out if they lose it or break it. It's got enough CPU power and memory to do real work.

    I'll take one for me too. I'm tired of lugging around a full sized notebook when this is all I need. For real power and storage I can always remote to a real desktop under Citrix. For light spreadsheets and barcode scanning this will do the trick.

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  6. Sometimes I feel old... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Combined with the lean and mean Linux OS, performance is snappy and responsive. With 1GB of RAM in support you can even have two or three programs open at any one time and not encounter any major problems unless you want to watch video, With one gig of RAM, you can even run two or three programs at once... Not that I long back to everything, seriously WTF it's what I ran on my desktop a few years ago and I had a lot more than that running. Looking at my memory stats 4GB is overkill and 2GB would do, and I got... 20 applications open including a virtualbox version of XP which itself runs 4 apps.
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    1. Re:Sometimes I feel old... by TrekkieTechie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Atom processor is specifically designed to do one thing at a time, for low-end applications such as the Eee and the E-box. It is a very low-powered single-core chip. So, yes, the fact that it can actually handle a little multitasking is something to take note of.

    2. Re:Sometimes I feel old... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Informative

      but we've had multitasking since the pentium first appeared. Not only that, the Atom is a hyper-threaded CPU, so really you could say its designed for multi-tasking.

      I think the point was that modern apps are so hungry for resources that you need lots of RAM and CPU, whereas we got the same stuff done with significantly less only a couple of years ago.

    3. Re:Sometimes I feel old... by colmore · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Modern web pages do in fact require that a whole lot of information be kept in memory (or swap). Other apps don't have as much excuse, but a browser can really only be as lightweight as the content you are browsing.

      Also modern OSes expect a lot of extra memory and use it to do things like constantly maintain a search index, preload common software, run auto-defragging filesystems, and so on and so forth.

      You engineer a computer differently when you have gigs of memory. There's an appeal to having a pile of raw untapped power under the hood, but it actually makes a lot of sense to use that power for something during the 99.999% of the time you aren't recompiling the kernel.

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  7. It's the principle! by mkcmkc · · Score: 5, Funny

    What difference does the power drain of the chipset make if it still gives you 7 hours battery time? You might as well ask why we invaded Iraq if Osama bin Laden is in Afghanistan. You liberal types just don't know when to shut up...
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  8. Re:1024x600? Eew.... by sokkalf · · Score: 2

    It's pretty much like a normal widescreen with regards to the aspect ratio.. most laptops are fitted with widescreen LCDs anyway. Never tried the 700-series Eee, but I have a 900 with 1024x600, and it works really well. No need to scroll sideways while webbrowsing etc..

  9. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where is TOUCH SCREEN?

    WHERE is Pixel Qi - Dual Mode battery saving Screen technology and 1 watt system use?
    http://www.pixelqi.com/
    (love the Pixel Qi products page with PaperWhite Screen Tech being worked on by them that uses very little power)

    Where is OLPC like $10 user anywhere replaceable battery?

    If DELL does the Pixel Qi stuff first, bye-bye Asus EeePC...
    http://www.pixelqi.com/blog1/

  10. Why a VGA port? by Cannelloni · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Very cool, but why not DVI? That's insanely stupid.

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    1. Re:Why a VGA port? by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful


      That's insanely stupid.

      It sounds really stupid to me to have a DVI port, and not a VGA port. Why? Because there's a lot more VGA compatible hardware out their than their is DVI compatible hardware.

      The small advantage of slightly better graphics output doesn't really outweigh the disadvantage of having to either have an adapter (that people will likely forget or lose), or use a display that supports DVI.

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  11. Downward spiral of hardware prices by 1+a+bee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The rate at which hardware prices are dropping is simply breathtaking. Consider it from the seller's angle: a $500 drop in price from say $1500 represents a 33% drop in revenue; a $500 drop in price from $1000, on the other hand, represents a 50% drop in revenue. This wreaks havoc on a lot of business models--and of course, creates a lot of new ones.

    Looking at this price trend, it seems like every home will soon be littered with a lot of portables--some fairly new, others, say, one or two years old. There might be one on every coffee table, you might throw one in the bathroom, as well as the one in the bedroom, and so on. Managing and maintaining the software on all these devices will be a chore.

    In an article I co-wrote for the FaunOS project project, we argue that making the boot device detachable and largely hardware agnostic is an attractive solution. The idea is that users carry and maintain only a single copy of an operating environment which they can run on pretty much any device of their choosing. That way, the user accumulates and maintains know-how on a single evolving operating environment rather than having to duplicate that effort across multiple machines. Does this makes sense?

    1. Re:Downward spiral of hardware prices by mds820 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You expect me to read that? Give me a />

  12. Wifi-N? by chill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe I missed a memo, but so far all I've found for WiFi-N support on Linux is "legacy mode" where it falls back to B/G. Is there real, MIMO and bonded WiFi-N under Linux for either the Intel or Atheros chipsets?

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  13. Eee PC regrettably still lacks a touchscreen by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even though modding projects like JKK's caused 7" touchscreen add-ons to sell out within weeks when the first Eee PC came to market last year, making clear this should be a built-in feature, unfortunately it is missing from the new edition nonetheless, though the review for some reason neither discusses nor deplores its omission.

    Anyone coming e.g. from a Psion or Nokia Communicator will know what a difference a touchscreen makes on small devices, and would surely have appreciated it at least as an option.

  14. ASUS not committed to Linux by zaivala · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What bothers me is that ASUS is no longer committed to Linux, and the 901 is the last Eee that will feature Linux as the preferred OS. I'm waiting for other companies to bring out an Atom, and also waiting for Ubuntu to finish their notepad version of 8.04 to run on one of these... which should be very soon.

    1. Re:ASUS not committed to Linux by diamondsw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um, the 1000 runs Linux, and on a 40GB SSD too. If anything, their commitment to SSD is waning, evidenced by the 1000(H) with an 80GB hard drive.

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  15. Re:"A full school day" by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How much money do you have, and how spoiled are your kids? From the first link I saw, the MSI Wind is supposed to be priced between $458 to $1072 depending on options. Even at $458, that's quite an expensive device. Not expensive for a portable computer, but expensive none the less. If my kid lost or broke a $500 thing, I would be quite annoyed, and I would not be playing to replace it. Especially considering that a portable computer is nowhere near necessary for kids to have.

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  16. Re:1024x600? Eew.... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 3, Informative

    I reccommend the "Compact Menu" extension.

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  17. how spoiled are your kids? by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    how spoiled are your kids?

    Pretty close to ruined, I'd say. They get their first real PC at 2, by 13 they're expected to build their own. Cable broadband. This is pretty standard for our larger family - we're all in IT.

    An Xbox with a couple games and controllers runs more than this and there's no way I'd buy them that.

    I didn't say I'd be happy about it if their mini notebook was lost or trashed, but it wouldn't be a disaster. The first one that gets broken will just be another toy for me to play with the leftover bits. Motherboard? That looks like it would fit in an RC plane...

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  18. A ferrari to get to the store by symbolset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Impressive specifications there. Y'know, I never knew anybody that thought he needed that much computer that also knew what to do with it when he got it.

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    1. Re:A ferrari to get to the store by symbolset · · Score: 2, Informative

      except I actually benefit from my toy whenever I do video processing or launch a few dozen VM's for application testing and network simulation.

      It's amazing what you can do with a few of these (a hundred bucks at fry's) and some these, a few of these and some creative sheet metal work on one of these.

      You'll need a few other bits too. If you get carried away it would look something like this. If you keep your wits nobody would know it from a typical filing cabinet except that instead of storing files it renders frames with 32 cores running at 2.6GHz or launches your precious VMs.

      And you can still remote to it with your mini notebook from the beach.

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  19. Seven hours from a wall outlet by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I'm seven hours distant from a wall outlet what I want is not a mini laptop. What I need there is a fishing pole.

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  20. Re:Cheapening the masses by wellingj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A consumer can demand whatever he wants for his money, and it's up to the companies to provide however they see fit, or if they choose to not provide it, then so be it. As long as there is demand for some product, some one will create the supply or there won't be a market. This implosion you are talking about is the same implosion for the typewriter and traditional print media industry. Companies don't need protection and neither do engineers. If you feel like you need the protection, that tells me what kind of company your work at and what kind of engineer you are.

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  21. Unfortunately doesn't work like that by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Laptop!=cpu+chipset. There is that big screen thingy with its drivers and backlight,RAM and the Flash - which still needs power to write and read. Then there is the analog audio drive, the wireless modules, and probably a load of other stuff. A laptop consists of two main parts that dissipate heat partly through ducted air and partly through convection from the surface. Cutting the CPU power may reduce the fan load quite a lot, but the fan is there mainly to remove heat from a very small, very hot area. A lot of heat gets dissipated from the entire case.

    Changing the north and south bridges might increase the battery life by perhaps 20%, depending on the attached peripherals, but it will not double or triple it. In fact, even this may be wrong; you do not know how efficient the chipset is already, and it may not be possible to reduce the power significantly.

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  22. Re:"A full school day" by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, most people don't have good enough eyesight for one of these minilaptops to be practical. That's why they're mostly for kids. Show me a $400 laptop with a 19+" LCD and I'll switch to a laptop next time I'm in the market.

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  23. Re:"A full school day" by backpackcomputing · · Score: 2, Informative

    You might want to consider the newest Eee PC, the 1000. It, like the MSI Wind, sports a 10 inch screen. But it also comes with either a 80 GB HDD or a 40 SSD. The 1000 was just released Taiwan a few days ago and hopefully should be stateside within a month or so. For more details checkout http://backpackcomputing.com/

  24. No "ASUS" logo on the case. by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, ASUS made good on their announcement to remove the ASUS logo from upcoming models of the Eee PC. This is, apparently, the first step towards spinning off the Eee PC as a separate company.

    My opinion? DUMB! ASUS are having the much-envied iPod moment - and they're just throwing it out of the window. The Eee PC is doing/could have done wonders for ASUS' brand name, just as iPod did for Apple's. Too afraid of success, I guess? Nicer/safer to be a mediocrity?

    For the record, I am a very satisfied Eee PC 701 user. Toss it into my backpack and go riding my bike to the uni - can't even feel the little critter.

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  25. Re:"A full school day" by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until then, the closest thing I'll have to a laptop is a 40lb ATX cube with an LCD panel velcroed to the side.
    So what you're saying is that you don't need a portable computer. That's fine. Now exactly what does that have to do with our discussion of portable machines?

    The closest thing I'll have to a laptop is a PDP11 with a card reader velcroed to the side. Does that make my dick bigger than yours?
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  26. Why the new look? by Drenaran · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No one else has said it yet - so I will. Why did Asus change the beautiful look and feel of the 700 Eee which was nice and had a textured surface that wasn't all smooth/shiny/fingerprint'tastic (everything I hate about cheap mass-produced technology)? The new one is... smooth/shiny/fingerprint'tastic. I.E. it looks cheap. Something I would be embarrassed to be seen with - everything the 700's weren't. I agree, the hardware stats have improved across the board, so it is a shame it has been made so ugly.

    Then there is the new logo on it. I liked the old one - it was straight forward, simple, made it clear that this thing was functional and useful - not just a toy meant only to look nice but served no real use. The new logo on it looks like they're trying oh so hard to be "fancy" - effectively making it just that much more something that I would never/ever want to bad.

    It's a shame because I really do want to buy one, I have been saving up to buy the 700 because I loved it - I only wished it had a nicer screen/touchpad/battery time/storage. Which is everything the 901 has. Except now the nice yet functional look has been replaced with a continuous punch in the crotch. So now I won't buy it, and I won't buy the 700 'cause I'll know what I'm missing. I'm sad now.

  27. Best new feature is... by mrgsd · · Score: 3, Funny

    The return of the infamous turbo button!

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  28. Some people actually use the CPU, ya know by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look, no offense, but it's already getting old to hear that computers surely are used only for reading email and maybe watching a DVD. I keep hearing that since the 90's, and it didn't really get more true over time.

    Even my old mom is into digital photos as a hobby. And I don't mean just taking the photos, but serious heavy duty filtering and processing too. Yeah, she could go do something else while those finish, but in practice that's not half as much fun. Waiting for a computer to finish something is, funnily enough, a lot more annoying than doing it by hand in 20 times the time. Because it's time when you do nothing but wait.

    Plus some laptops are used for work, and some hobbies _are_ the exact same that other people call work. Some are used essentially as a portable desktop, rather than something to keep you amused on a plane or to haul your powerpoint presentations with.

    E.g., you can have an application server, an Oracle database, and an IDE on your laptop, and notice the difference, for example. Waiting for, say, WebSphere to spend a quarter of an hour to start up with a lot of EJB's, trust me, you'll start thinking "man, I wish I had a faster machine." Especially when you've had to restart it just because you changed a tiny little detail in the configs and it can't use it without a restart. Twiddling your thumbs while Ant builds the project or while WebSphere deploys it, even more so. And the database alone can need arbitrary amounts of RAM and HDD just to do its job.

    And then there are the cases where you need to debug it. Only recently, in version 6.1 IBM finally allegedly managed to be able to debug with the JIT enabled. Previously it would run in interpreted mode. Now that's enough to negate the last decade of Moore's Law in one fell swoop.

    Other people use their computer for rendering, CAD, maths, simulations, etc. There are many ways to eat all those CPU cycles and then some.

    And then there are the games. Some people use their laptop as, basically, an ultra-portable desktop that can be hauled to a LAN party with a minimum of fuss and effort.

    Basically if your use for a computer is just to read emails, well, good for you. But you can stop extrapolating that everyone else doesn't need a fast one.

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  29. I actually agree with everything you said... by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    except the part where these operations have to happen on your mini laptop. Have you not heard of Citrix? Remote Desktop? Cellular modems? It's possible to have all of this happening on your mainframe, the attached supercomputer cluster, and a few thousand desktops and access them all from the laptop referenced in the fine article via VPN tunnel over wireless modem, public wi-fi, hotel room Internet, or any other mode you choose. I actually do this all day.

    I know of no reason why I'd need to debug an Oracle database, edit a photo for press, or update my CAD drawing while I was mid-stream fishing, nor while I was boarding a plane. For some things you just have to wade to shore, wait until the flight is airborne, pull up your pants. This laptop will not play consumer games nor will it run Vista well. If you want one that can join your AD domain you have to get the Linux one -- the XP home or Vista Basic one isn't up for that. For everything else, this laptop is fine.

    There is no laptop that will impress your gamer friends. The minimum bar to clear there starts at a kilowatt. They're disgusting.

    One more time... these things cost five hundred clams. They do all the stuff laptops do, including run business productivity apps. They're cute and they fit on the plane well. They last all day on one charge. They play media. They have USB ports . They have wireless. They support all of the remote desktop technologies you've ever heard of. They come with software that's truly free, and you can install as much more as you want for free via the Applications menu. They play video and audio. Your choice of operating systems are available. Some of them have firewire. FSM preserve us what the heck do you want from a mini laptop for a measly five Benjamins? Sex?

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