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Data Center Designers In High Demand

Hugh Pickens writes "For years, data center designers have toiled in obscurity in the engine rooms of the digital economy, amid the racks of servers and storage devices that power everything from online videos to corporate e-mail systems but now people with the skills to design, build and run a data center that does not endanger the power grid are suddenly in demand. 'The data center energy problem is growing fast, and it has an economic importance that far outweighs the electricity use,' said Jonathan G. Koomey of Stanford University. 'So that explains why these data center people, who haven't gotten a lot of glory in their careers, are in the spotlight now.' The pace of the data center build-up is the result of the surging use of servers, which in the United States rose to 11.8 million in 2007, from 2.6 million a decade earlier. 'For years and years, the attitude was just buy it, install it and don't worry about it,' says Vernon Turner, an analyst for IDC. 'That led to all sorts of inefficiencies. Now, we're paying for that behavior.'" On a related note, an anonymous reader contributes this link to an interesting look at how a data center gets built.

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  1. News at 11 by spikedvodka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Qualified Professionals in demand, news at 11

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    1. Re:News at 11 by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Funny

      One demerit for error in format: that should be film at 11.

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  2. I thought it would be higher by winterphoenix · · Score: 1

    "The pace of the data center build-up is the result of the surging use of servers, which in the United States rose to 11.8 million in 2007, from 2.6 million a decade earlier." This number surprised me, but leaning toward shock that the rise isn't sharper. Supergiant companies like Google alone and all the data centers needed just to host websites today would make me believe more servers are needed. Does anyone else think this number is low?

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    1. Re:I thought it would be higher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anyone else think this number is low? It is low. The whole article is basically saying data center growth has been bottle-necked by the need for certain types of engineers and administrators.

      That's probably part of the demand for the "data center in a box" concept. With a shortage of engineers to design centers it's an obvious move to try and start mass manufacturing them.
    2. Re:I thought it would be higher by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, except that mass-manufacturing data centers is like designing a 1999 Mazda or a 1956 Jaguar. There are so many factors that are changing regarding how data centers go together, that it's a moving target to get long-lasting designs. In the bad old days, you could get a 20 year life from a data center, and not a lot changed, year to year.

      Now data centers can have lots of change-- as the servers themselves change along with equipment that's located in a data center. The -48vdc telephony equipment is now housed there, along with blade server chassis that breathe fire and suck power like an SUV-- let alone the heat generation problems.

      Add in mandates of 5-9's availability (a new concept in the computer industry), earthquake, hurricane/tornado/flooding, power grid availability, the liablities of co-los, legal mandates and constraints, and data center design has become a discipline unto itself. It's not necessarily constrained by good personnel, rather it's constrained by the huge number of changes in the industry overall, and the numerous disciplines needed to bring asset life out of a data center investment.

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    3. Re:I thought it would be higher by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      blade server chassis that breathe fire and suck power like an SUV-- let alone the heat generation problems

      Am I the only one who has seen the IBM commercial where they talk about blades fixing their heat problem?

      Never understood that one. Blades may be something in the future, but I've found no use for them yet. They sound great in theory, but they do have limitations.

    4. Re:I thought it would be higher by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Informative

      Blade servers do end up sharing power supplies, and possibly switches/other gear for efficiency. But the CPUs burn, and the disks turn. Density means that a single rack when loaded up consumes voracious amounts of power and requisite cooling. It's a great idea in a lot of ways, but data centers weren't designed for either the power draw or the chilling needs, let along the weight. Add in the fact that denser instances mean more can die in a single chassis, and there are questions posed by blades that older data centers were just not designed for.

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    5. Re:I thought it would be higher by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      At a previous gig, we had cage space at a certain datacenter at 350 E Cermak in Chicago that now takes up two floors. Because of their original assumptions regarding cooling and power, we could only use one IBM chassis per cabinet (each chassis required 4 20amp/220V circuits, 2 primary, 2 redundant). Each chassis held 14 blades running dual Xeon processors with redundant drives and redundant network switches. I'd never use blade servers again after that experience (both the with datacenter and the blade product).

    6. Re:I thought it would be higher by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      One of the other reasons why they tout them as fixing heat issues is the lack of cables. You only need two power, two network, and a KVM cable instead of 28 power, 28 network and 14 KVM cables
      Yes, I know cables do not cause heat, but they do block the hot air from escaping. (hint: never use rack "arms")
      However, this is a "hot spot" issue, causing higher server temps. You're still sucking the same power, or close.

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    7. Re:I thought it would be higher by Courageous · · Score: 1

      Blade weight, blade smeight. Try those 48 drive ultra high density storage trays (like thumpers). A full rack pushin' toward two ton rack weights!

      I am the raised floor nazi: no more raised floor for you!

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    8. Re:I thought it would be higher by Cramer · · Score: 1

      I have ~3000lb racks on a raised floor. If your floor is built correctly, it will hold the weight of a fully loaded rack. (and yes, it deforms the vinyl covering on the floor tiles. That's why those tiles are bolted down.)

    9. Re:I thought it would be higher by Courageous · · Score: 1

      You nervous about exceeding 3000 pounds? Anyway, yah, I know you can do this, but admit it: you had to get an engineer to analyze whether or not you could. :-)

      C//

    10. Re:I thought it would be higher by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Negative. I asked the guy who installed the floor. Before it was installed. The concrete floor under it might not be rated to the load the raised floor creates, but that's not my problem -- it's the engineer's license who signed the plans.

    11. Re:I thought it would be higher by Courageous · · Score: 1

      The "guy who installed the floor"? Was he an engineer? To be fair, steel is incredibly strong. Lots of times, a little steel box can hold several cars of weight. Anyway, luckily you are on concrete, eh.

      I wouldn't pick a raised floor these days, myself.

      C//

    12. Re:I thought it would be higher by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Engineer? Not that I know of, but I trust his 25 years of experience. It's not necessarily the steel you need be worried about. It's the concentration of force at the floor supports -- which is a 1" box steel with a nut and bolt level adjuster up to the rail plate; the ~35lb steel/cement floor tiles sit on the rails. We're on the 3rd floor. The base floor is ~1ft cement poured over a steel deck on pretty beefy steel I-beams. (I'd measure them, but I don't have a 20ft a-frame ladder.)

      I have a raised floor for the sole purpose of air flow. 2800cfm with minimal obstructions.

    13. Re:I thought it would be higher by Courageous · · Score: 1

      I have a raised floor for the sole purpose of air flow. 2800cfm with minimal obstructions.

      Yah. If I did have a raised floor, that's exactly what I would do: for the sole purpose of air, with all cables and wires overhead. I'd not do the raised floor now, though.

      I would instead have "two rooms". One room, the room you have. The other room, would be fully inside the first room. The racks would back into this room. All heat evacuation would occur in this room. For larger facilities, you repeat this procedure several times, and it's not strictly necessary for your cooler stuff.

      This is like APC's hot aisle containment system, but without the APC gear prices. Drywall is /cheap/. To make this work properly, you do have to have the luxury of rolling in and locking down your racks (with blanking panels) in advance.

      Did you check the allowable total load on your floor for the number of high density racks you are using, or are you just using a few? We have a client who's floors can easily handle a few 3800 pound racks, but not 100. :-)

      C//

  3. I don't see what's so hard about it.. by Paranatural · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get some folding card tables, throw yer servers on there, then get yerself a extension cord and a couple of power strips to give ya enough outlets offa those two plugs in th' wall, and get yerself one of them fans from Walmart ta blow over 'em if yer feelin fancy. Voila. Them college kids think they're so smart, that wasn't hard at all. You can even get a bucket of water in case anything catches fire!

    1. Re:I don't see what's so hard about it.. by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget the dry ice, that takes care of cooling and any possible fires, plus it's great for parties, or re-enacting Star Wars, et al.

    2. Re:I don't see what's so hard about it.. by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      This could be modded "insightful" as well...

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    3. Re:I don't see what's so hard about it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...ya enough outlets offa those two plugs in th' wall,...

      You misspelt "offan".

    4. Re:I don't see what's so hard about it.. by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Like this... http://pics.cheggit.nl/pics/2008/06/17/753-1datacenter.jpg (cut-n-paste or turn off referers)

    5. Re:I don't see what's so hard about it.. by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Is my web cam on? You have just described the setup we have at work (with a rack rather than a card table).

  4. OK - what do they do? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1, Interesting
    So what does a data centre designer actually do?

    Do they constrain the end user to particular hardware, or is it just basic civil engineering?

    I can see that a well planned installation can reduce cooling costs, but if Customer A insists on having his Superdome rather than a more energy efficient alternative, what does the designer do then?

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    1. Re:OK - what do they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A designer needs to understand how cooling, power and building design affect each other. High density cooling and power management is a different beast. (And disaster management! Redundant power, fire suppression that won't destroy your computers, etc...)

      I think that is the point here: Data centers have become large enough that you don't want to just stuff them into a random office building and hope everything will work out fine. Specialization is valuable in this case.

    2. Re:OK - what do they do? by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Informative
      From TFA:

      Mr. Patel is overseeing H.P.â(TM)s programs in energy-efficient data centers and technology. The research includes advanced projects like trying to replace copper wiring in server computers with laser beams. But like other experts in the field, Mr. Patel says that data centers can be made 30 percent to 50 percent more efficient by applying current technology. At least Mr Patel is doing the expected. He and others are applying the current technology the way that it was meant to be applied. The article did not cover the wide array of companies that are addressing this problem. Data Center efficiency is all about applying the technology correctly. What was not covered explicitly in the "also linked" article is how one company is building data center 'cells' in order to minimize on the cooling costs, and create efficient compartmentalized units inside a huge warehouse.

      Those of you who have been in data centers have seen forced air cooling that is not used correctly; cabinets not over vent tiles, vent tiles in the middle of the floor, cabinets over air vent tiles but with a bottom in the cabinet so no air flows.

      When equipment is nearing end of life and hardly being used, it sits there and turns electricity into heat while doing nothing. There are often a grand mix of cabinet types that do not all make best use of the cooling system, undersized cooling systems, very dense blade style cabinets replacing cabinets that were not so dense unbalances the heat/cooling process in the whole data center. Not to mention what doing so does to the backup power system when needed.

      There are hundreds of 'mistakes' made in data centers all over the country. Correcting them and pushing the efficiency of the data center is a big job that not many people were interested in paying for in years gone by.

      If you are interested in what you can do for your small data center, try looking at what APC does, or any cabinet manufacturer. They have lots of glossy marketing materials and websites and stuff. There is plenty of information available. Here's a first link for you http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/apc-index.html
    3. Re:OK - what do they do? by Sobrique · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's civil engineering, intersecting with 'real world IT'. Off the top of my head:
      • Power - redundancy, and resisiliency as much as 'just having enough'
      • Cooling - air conditioning is a BIG deal for a data centre - you need good air flow, and it probably doubles your electric bill.
      • Specialist equipment - datacentres are _mostly_ modular, based around 19" racks. But there's exceptions, such as stuff that is 'multi-rack' like tape silos.
      • Equipment accessibility - you'll need to add and remove servers, and possibly some really quite big and scary bits of big iron - IIRC A Symmetrix is 1.8 tonnes. You'll need a way to get that into a datacentre, which doesn't involve '10 big blokes' - spacing of your racks might not help
      • Putting new stuff in - a rack is 42U high. Right at the top of that rack, is going to require overhead lifting.
      • Cabling. Servers use a lot of cables. Some are for power, some are for networking, some are for serial terminals. You've got a mix of power cable, copper cables, fiber cables. They need to fit, they need to be possible to manipulate on the fly, and they need to not break the fibers when you lay them. You also need to be aware that a massive bundle of copper cables is not perfectly shielded, so you'll get crosstalk and intereference. And every machine in your datacentre will have 4 or more cables running into it, probably from different sources, so you need to 'deal' with that.
      • Operator access - if that server over there blows up, how to I get on the console to fix it. If I am on the console to fix it, how do you ensure I'm not twiddling that red button over there that I shouldn't be.
      • Remote/DR facilities - most datacenters have some concept of disaster planning - things as simple as 'farmer joe dug up the cable to the ISP' all the way to 'plane flew into primary data centre'. These things are relatively cheap and easy to deal with on day one, and utter nightmares to retroengineer onto a live data centre.
      • Expansion - power needs change, space needs change, technology changes and ... well, demand for servers increases steadily. It's something to be considered that you will, sooner or later, run out of space, or have to swap out assets.
      That's what springs to mind off the top of my head. There's probably a few more things. So yes, civil engineering, but with a splattering of IT contraints and difficulties.
    4. Re:OK - what do they do? by atrus · · Score: 1
      Placing your average cabinet over a perf tile will do... nothing.

      Servers vent, in their standard setup, front to back. While a vertical system with a hot air plenum is fantastic, its going to require specialized hardware, and since most datacenters are a odd mix of new and old, is never going to happen. Google could afford to do it, but Random Company X or Colo Y can't.

      If you're talking about a full cold-aisle containment system, in which a standard cold-air subfloor is much more closely controlled, then by all means will it save energy. There is a lot of momentum in fixing problems, as well as monitoring and control stuff (see HP Dynamic Smart Cooling, or SynapSense stuff.

    5. Re:OK - what do they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not civil engineering it's mechanical engineering.

    6. Re:OK - what do they do? by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Informative

      New small college data center (in new library) had some of it's design features changed from what ITS requested. The two big ones were 1. Getting rid of the raised floor and putting in carpeting and 2. putting fire sprinkler and building alarm controls behind locked server room door. There was a bit of a political struggle in the college, with the head of the library asserting his authority over IT, since they were in his building. He decided on the changes, as a way of saving money and freeing up 'unneeded space' by not having a separate building controls room. Small school politics are the worst.

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    7. Re:OK - what do they do? by Courageous · · Score: 1



      Putting new stuff in - a rack is 42U high. Right at the top of that rack, is going to require overhead lifting.

      With blades and other new high density things (48 disk trays, anyone), a lift will be required regardless.

      But yah, good analysis.

      The thing about being a data center designer is that it is multidisciplinary. You have to know a lot about facilities in particular to be anywhere near qualified, and all the computer stuff is there as well on so many levels.

    8. Re:OK - what do they do? by Cramer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh yes! Carpet in a server room. I wouldn't even put "NSA carpet" in there -- it has conductive filaments to ground out any EMI.

      I had the same several month long arguements in planning our new office. It's expensive. We cannot raise the ceiling (the building HVAC systems are in the plenum.) Do we really need 5ton air handlers. Do we have to have 2 of them. etc. etc. Well, my 12" floor became a 10" floor -- a compromise to make the ramp 2ft shorter, and 2 Lieberts became one because no one listened to my original specs and the landlords wouldn't buy the second one. (those things are expen$ive.)

      Btw, that single point of failure failed within *4* months requiring basically the entire office to be shutdown all day to get it fixed. It was over 100F in there in less than an hour.

    9. Re:OK - what do they do? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I think they had an outage when someone (not in IT), with access to server room, decided to plug a laser printer into an orange outlet. Just bad planning being laid over good.

      As for that carpet, a bunch of us showed up on a Saturday and busted our collective asses scraping that shit up. Was glued to slab!

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  5. if the engineers in the datacenter by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    really want respect, all they have to do is send an urgent email to the ceo that the dilithium crystals are deteriorating, and that the antimatter containment fields are failing, and we can't take much more of this captain

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  6. Doing it for the glory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    '...these data center people, who haven't gotten a lot of glory in their careers, are in the spotlight now.' Glory? If I wanted glory I would have become a firefighter or something. I got into the data center business to read people's email, plain and simple. That's reward enough!
    1. Re:Doing it for the glory? by InlawBiker · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that downloads and torrents to the servers are lighting fast. Then you can just bring a thumb drive next time you go down to fix an "outage."

    2. Re:Doing it for the glory? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Private Usenet Server.

      'nuff said.

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  7. And he built a crooked data center... by russotto · · Score: 1

    There is such a thing as a tesseract

  8. Because the power grid has become very fragile by Kohath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is only a problem because the power grid has become very fragile.

    Electricity generation hasn't grown ahead of demand due to government meddling, atom-ophobia, and environmentalist obstruction in the courts and on planning boards.

    The rolling blackouts will be coming soon. It'll start with small ones. Then everyone will buy battery backups that draw a lot of power to recharge once power is restored. This will cause the duration of the periodic blackouts to go from a few minutes to a few hours in about 2 years.

    Not long after that, we'll start building power generation capacity in the US again.

    1. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by samkass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How many letters have you written to your congressman advocating that the government build a coal plant on your block? That's the fuel that America has the most of.

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    2. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Kohath · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's already one a short distance from my house, thanks. They are trying to build more in the region (a long way away from everyone's house), but the environmentalists won't allow it.

    3. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the other hand, it might be the final push that people need to start making their homes and businesses as energy efficient as possible, up to and including home solar and/or wind; use of more energy-efficient appliances, low-power-consumption electronics, etc.

      I would dare say that the future looks good for ARM and Via on that last account, at least.

    4. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Kohath · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, it might be the final push that people need to start making their homes and businesses as energy efficient as possible... None of that generates any power.

      It's like asking a hungry person to cut back on his food intake just a little more to share with the other hungry people in his family or village.

      Or we could just generate some more power and have good lives instead of slowly starving ourselves.
    5. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it doesn't generate power -- but it prevents me from needing as much. The less I need, the more I can make myself. If I can cut my use from say, 200Mega Watts to 800Kilo Watts by proper deployment of insulation, energy star appliances, replacing a desktop PC with a Pico-ITX system, etc -- then if I can generate half what I need with solar panels or a wind mill (if I live in an area where I can fit one), then I'd no longer be that big of a draw on the grid, would I?

      Of course, those numbers are all just pulled out of my ass for an example, but still -- you get the point. Cost saving measures at home are also going to lead to energy savings at large. With power prices going up ~30% next month, I think more people will start looking at the alternatives and where they can cut costs.

      I agree that things need to be done on the supply side as well, but they should be done in a responsible manner. Building more nuclear plants, for instance. But by reducing consumption, we can then close down fossil plants instead of doing a 1:1 replacement.

    6. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by j-pimp · · Score: 1

      How many letters have you written to your congressman advocating that the government build a coal plant on your block? That's the fuel that America has the most of.

      Because it would make less sense to import uranium. And I'd have no problem living next to a nuclear reactor plant, except of course living in Queens (NYC Borough) and they would never out one that close to Manhattan. Assuming I lived in Sachem though, I'd be all for them firing up the plant there. Its a small risk for cheap energy.

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    7. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's like asking a hungry person to cut back on his food intake just a little more to share with the other hungry people in his family or village.

      No, energy efficiency is like getting a well fed person, who currently throws away 30% of their food because it goes bad before they eat it, to do a bit more planning and a bit less impulse buying so they reduce their wastage to (say) 10% or less and save themselves significant money for a very small effort, and do their bit for the environment as a side effect.

    8. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Kohath · · Score: 1

      People already do the things that will "save themselves significant money for a very small effort".

      Why not just make more? It's easy and we know how and it's cheap and people are happy to buy it because they want their lives to be lives of plenty instead of lives of desperate want.

    9. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Firehed · · Score: 1

      If you're going from 200MW to 800kW from those changes, you should really consider dealing with that short-circuit before anything else.

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    10. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know the numbers are BS. They aren't based on anything real, and I probably didn't even capitalize correctly.

    11. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Hasai · · Score: 1

      ....Not long after that, we'll start building power generation capacity in the US again. And burning treehuggers at the stake?

      I'll supply the gas^h^h^hhydr^h^h^h^hethan^h^h^h^h^hbeer.
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    12. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by freemywrld · · Score: 1

      "People already do the things that will "save themselves significant money for a very small effort".

      Why not just make more? It's easy and we know how and it's cheap and people are happy to buy it because they want their lives to be lives of plenty instead of lives of desperate want."

      I disagree. I think many people are becoming more energy conscious, but there is still a ton of room to improve. Many people are still very wasteful in their energy consumption (leaving the tv on all hours of the day, not turning out lights - home or office - when they leave, etc.). Just make more is a really short-sighted way to handle the issue. Making more generally involves using more non-renewable resources and creating waste that we have no good way of dealing with, or generating more toxic pollution. Increasing our capacity of renewable sources of energy is the way to go on the "make more" front, but reducing our consumption makes using renewable sources all the more sustainable.

      I don't mean to sound like I'm lecturing, but I just feel that making a few changes in our lives to reduce our energy usage is quite different from "desperate want". We don't all need to be fat, bloated, over-consumers to have all that we need and much of what we want.

    13. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Kohath · · Score: 1

      I just feel that making a few changes in our lives to reduce our energy usage is quite different from "desperate want". And what would happen to make that opinion (or "feeling") change? How much conservation is enough? What evidence would you have to see to decide we need to switch gears and just make more energy available?

      How do we know when we've sacrificed enough of our wealth and wellbeing to meet your standards?

      The blackouts are coming.
    14. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by freemywrld · · Score: 1

      "And what would happen to make that opinion (or "feeling") change? How much conservation is enough? What evidence would you have to see to decide we need to switch gears and just make more energy available?

      How do we know when we've sacrificed enough of our wealth and wellbeing to meet your standards?"

      Turning the lights out when I leave my office or my home does not decrease my supposed wealth. If anything it helps increase my monetary resources as they are not being spent on wasted electricity. Certainly it is important to generate the energy that we need, however, increasing capacity to accommodate wasteful excess is what I am speaking against. My main point is just not to be wasteful and as we increase our capacity we need to adjust our thinking about how we grow and how we use what we already have.

      I strongly doubt that any of the things I believe that we can do be more efficient would cause you to have to give up any of your creature comforts. If everyone makes small adjustments then big change can be realized. Everyone who lives on Earth shares a bit of the burden of keeping this a place where we (and future generations) can sustainably live.

      It's a small shift in thinking, from me to we. Remember that there are many more people on this planet than just you, and many many of them live far below your quality of life. Asking you to turn off a couple of lights or maybe not run the thermostat at 80 degrees seems like a small thing to ask to ensure that there are enough energy-producing resources to go around. If you deserve all of your comforts and wealth, than doesn't everyone else deserve it to? Food for thought, YMMV.

    15. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think I get this: seems like half the people on this post seem under the impression that there is not enough energy being wasted around the world. Maybe it's because I'm european, but this sounds SO stereotypically american...
        Remember, hope for the best and plan for the worst - and while you wait for the advent of nuclear fusion please bear in mind that the closest alternative, that of nuclear fission, is still very far from ideal, let's try and save.

      PS: Please excuse the trolling but... Kohath sounded like a Mr Creosote moaning about the lack of quail eggs. I'm sorry, but I couldn't let that pass.

    16. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Restricting production to try to force people to save energy will just increase the price and put a big burden on the poorest and most vulnerable in society. Those who can still afford the increased price will need to spend their time and effort saving energy instead of producing useful goods and services. Prices on all goods and services will increase as a result. Again, this hurts poor and vulnerable people the most.

      As energy is made more and more artificially scarce, production will move to areas of the world where energy can be produced without all the added burdens. Places with fewer energy conservation regulations tend to have fewer pollution regulations, so the net result of moving this production is greater pollution. It mostly only affects the locals though, which may or may not be "environmental racism" and may be a concern to some.

      The only cure for these issues is the free market. Essentially, the people paying the electric bill should decide what is "wasteful excess" and what is "the energy we need" and production should seek to meet demand rather than shape behavior to some idealistic goal. That will result in the cheapest energy, helping the poor and vulnerable (and everyone else) to have better lives.

    17. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by T3Tech · · Score: 1

      I could build a datacenter that had little to no draw on the grid using solar, wind, even micro-hydro if available, direct DC power as much as possible to cut the loss inherent in AC inverters, and using mostly natural HVAC methods.

      Sure the initial cost would likely be considerably more than the average datacenter, but it could be done and the overall life cost would probably be less.

      Currently I have a secure, remote location/structure that could support a small datacenter such as this and have considered it, but alas I don't have a few hundred K just sitting around.

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    18. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by Pope · · Score: 1

      Nuclear power isn't cheap at all. Name a single generation station project that was on-time and on-budget. Let alone disposing of the waste.

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    19. Re:Because the power grid has become very fragile by j-pimp · · Score: 1

      Nuclear power isn't cheap at all. Name a single generation station project that was on-time and on-budget. Let alone disposing of the waste.

      One can go over time and budget and still be cheap. That being said I don't have numbers on either. As far as waste, we have plenty of dessert and empty coal mines.

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  9. Amen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only "glory" we'd receive in the data center is when something goes wrong. That is the only time we ever got noticed.

    Only now they want people like myself? Screw that. I gave up on that long ago when it was a dead end.

  10. Green IT by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is a growing area of interest in so-called "Green IT" (mostly due to inevitable regulations), and the first area being looked at is data center organization. It's always the first stat a consultant firm throws out, because it's relatively easy to show significant cost savings in such an environment (just by reorganizing the appliances to distribute heat in a different manner).

  11. BOFH style designers? by apathy+maybe · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Before someone else does it, I direct you to BOFH, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/23/bofh_2008_episode_19/
    The BOFH cares about important things:

    "There are seven pubs and two Indian joints within a one block radius, a tube station a couple of blocks away and a women's fitness centre across the road."
    Like service:

    "WE COULD CUT A HOLE IN THE FLOOR OF MISSION CONTROL, INSTALL A POLE, KEEP A CAR IN THE SERVICE BAYS AND CALL IT THE BATMOBILE!"


    So, besides electricity usage, what else should you care about? How about heat? Your room can't be too hot (you can send all the heat to the swimming pool in the fitness centre...).

    What about wires? Both a OHS issue, and a potential to kill off half your servers if you trip over an exposed power cord or network line. So you lay them under the floor?

    Complicated stuff this...
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    1. Re:BOFH style designers? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Your room can't be too hot (you can send all the heat to the swimming pool in the fitness centre...). I've been wondering about heat storage when we had the article about the new data center in the desert near Las Vegas. If you have a large enough mass (e.g. a couple 100 tons of water) you could store some amount of heat during the day until you can vent it during the night. That would require water cooled heat exchangers everywhere but you would need less power for active cooling.

    2. Re:BOFH style designers? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      How about heat?
      Probablly the biggest problem for datacenters. Many datacenters use as much power running aircon as they do running the servers!

      What about wires? Both a OHS issue, and a potential to kill off half your servers if you trip over an exposed power cord or network line. So you lay them under the floor?
      Sure but there is more to it that that. You want to keep power and data lines seperate for both regulatory and practical reasons. You want to be able to identify cables and remove redundant ones easilly (otherwise a few decades down the line you end up with risers and ducts stuffed full with mostly redundant cables). You need to ensure that any fiber runs are kept within bend radius requirements.

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  12. glory? by Denger256 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "who haven't gotten a lot of glory in their careers"
    Has any IT Professional really gotten any glory?

  13. Energy usage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like theres still a lot of energy efficiency to be gained from our data centers according to the article.

    One has to wonder about what's going to happen when they start hitting the wall for improving that situation. The excessive growth doesn't seem likely to slow down. Eventually we'll hit high efficiency but the usage will just keep going up and up worldwide.

    I can't help but fear that when that sort of thing happens many will see it as a reason to slow down the advancement of society in the name of their new environmentalist religion.

  14. Virtualization in equally high demand. by binaryspiral · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Companies with full data centers and in need of more servers are turning to virtualization technologies to increase their server density, reduce their physical server deployment, and improve efficiency in cooling, hardware maintenance, and administration.

    It's amazing to see the differences VMware has made in my career in just a few short years... going from deploying hardware servers in weeks to a virtual in seconds.

    1. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by flajann · · Score: 1
      A colleague of mine has created this wonderful system around Puppet that now allows him to spin-up a fully-configured server in just minutes.

      In our operation, virtual servers would NOT cut the mustard. They are nice for development and QA -- maybe -- but when you are dealing with thousands of simultaneous users, you need real iron, not virtual.

    2. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by outcast36 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      yes and no.

      I've seen companies that turned to virtualization to solve their power and cooling problems. Yes, you can serve more OS instances with less hardware. That is good.

      However, these places are generally not managing their infrastructure well in the first place. Now you start running into problems with server sprawl and storage management. The management costs are going up because you have more servers running more applications. That takes more management, not less.

      I think it is great that we are seeing more specialization in this space. I think that SysAdmins need to look at how they want to specialize moving forward. Are you going to manage hardware & resources? Are you going to be more OS and application tuning? We can't expect one person to have enough breadth to go from HVAC/electric/network/storage/OS/application. I'd hate to see a tape ape get into Data Center design because "hey they're down in the Data Center anyway"

      Don't get me wrong, I think virtualization (server & application & desktop) is the wave of the future. But I don't think a lot of firms see this yet. I think they are still trading one problem for another.

    3. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by Sobrique · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Virtualisation is a way of managing capacity and demand. It is not an either/or case with 'real iron', it's just a different way of considering the problem domain.

    4. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by dkf · · Score: 1

      Companies with full data centers and in need of more servers are turning to virtualization technologies to increase their server density, reduce their physical server deployment, and improve efficiency in cooling, hardware maintenance, and administration. It buys you a few years, but that's all. There's massive growth going on in the amount of server capacity needed, and all virtualization can do is to get your utilization up closer to the 95% level (bad idea to go much over that; you need a little space for admin overhead). But once you've done that, you're going to need more real capacity anyway (or the business isn't growing...) At best, use virtualization to buy yourself the time to get your physical server systems in order so you can host more physical kit. And do consider out-sourcing for at least some functions; for example, Amazon EC2 is cheap.
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    5. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      EC2 is also virtualized to hell and back. So, if you're already virtualizing, why go EC2? If you cannot virtualize for performance reasons, you still can't do EC2.

    6. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      However, these places are generally not managing their infrastructure well in the first place. Now you start running into problems with server sprawl and storage management. The management costs are going up because you have more servers running more applications. That takes more management, not less. Solving their infrastructure problems would be a good thing for everyone.
      But if they don't, It'd also be better for everyone if their increased costs go towards management and not towards increased electricity usage.

      I think they are still trading one problem for another. Labor is a "problem" with a solution that can be ramped up to full speed a lot faster than a new power plant. Not to mention the external costs from labor are preferable to the external costs of more coal fired power.
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    7. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by flajann · · Score: 1
      It works out in cases where you don't have heavy performance demands. Of course, no one is willing to bet that if you need the performance, 5 virtual boxes will be as fast as 5 real boxes. In that case, you've no choice but to go with 5 real boxes.

      Most situations are not that compute intensive, so you can get away with virtualization. Those problem domains would work well with virtualization. But there is no substitute for live iron when you really need the performance.

    8. Re:Virtualization in equally high demand. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The other big thing that virtualisation can do is help you free up space for new hardware. If you have a load of old boxes doing relatively minor services and taking up lots of space you can replace them with one new server without having to mess with the software setup.

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  15. endanger the power grid? by khallow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't understand the peculiar emphasis the New York Times places on "endangering" the power grid. Even though a data center uses a lot of electricity, it's a high value operation that needs a stable power supply. What's wrong with the idea of paying more to insure that your power supply is sufficiently stable for your needs? The power company accepting those checks can then work on delivering that power. It's like saying that I'm somehow responsible for the stability of the oil production and distribution infrastructure because I drive a car. Perhaps, if I tweak my engine just so, I can engineer a democratic transformation of Saudi Arabia. I'll see if changing the oil does the trick.

    At some point, you have to realize that the consumer, no matter how big, isn't responsible for the supply of resources by another party. If there's a problem with how those resources are supplied, be it fixed price (regardless of demand) power transmission lines, pollution, or deforestation, then that problem should appear as an increase in cost to the consumer. If it isn't, then it's a problem with how the resource is distributed, not a problem with the consumer.

    1. Re:endanger the power grid? by peragrin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because there hasn't been a large power plant built in the USA in 20 odd years? with the last one coming online 12 years ago.

      We are building high power devices on a power grid that was designed 20 years ago before such concepts weren't even thought of.

      Environmentalists won't let new plants be built. Solar, Wind are nt yet generating enough to even begin to offset the demand.

      it isn't distribution it is availability. by 2015 I expect rolling blackouts during hot summers, simply to keep the air conditioners going.

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    2. Re:endanger the power grid? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      In many cases it's not just being ecologically friendly, it's also about self interest. With the price of oil getting higher, the price of electricity will also increase. Well as a company, I would think that you want performance and efficiency. As a company, you'll pay for the electricity that you need but if you're wasting it on inefficient systems that's money that could go for other things. I guess the point of the article was many were just built without the thought of efficiency (power, space, cooling). Also, most data centers have a backup power supply in the form of generators and batteries. More power efficiency means that these systems don't have to be as massive. In the case of an outage, the data center will survive longer on less until power is restored. Some outages can last days depending on the conditions of the outage (storms that knock down main power lines, etc).

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    3. Re:endanger the power grid? by Sobrique · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Well, between uninterruptible power, and air conditioning, datacentres are probably one of the highest 'power overhead' applications. There's a hell of a lot of 'waste' there, which you can design out, in some measure.

      But yes, it's a priority application too - datacentres score as 'business critical' in most companies, so no matter how much it costs to run, it's cheaper than it 'not running'.

      Part of the point of DC design is resiliency, and therefore you _do_ have to consider available services and supplies - like the local powergrid, and how screwed you'll be if it does hit the breaking point.

    4. Re:endanger the power grid? by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      I think it's mostly a matter of the journalist misunderstanding the reasons for saving power in a datacenter.

    5. Re:endanger the power grid? by j79zlr · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am an HVAC engineer and design some data centers. The power usage on some new densely populated centers can range up to 6,000 watts per square foot. For perspective, the average office building is around 10-12 watts per square foot.

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    6. Re:endanger the power grid? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      How about large datacenters having their own fairly large power generator? If you can buy gas, oil or coal in bulk it might be on par or cheaper and more reliable than buying general grid-based power. If you need cleaner energy, there was a news post a few months ago about a "backyard" nuclear generator similar to the ones used on nuclear powered subs and vessels.

      For smaller applications like home, a Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator might do, they've been used in military applications since the middle of the last century and have been used extensively in civilian applications in the Soviet Union with several of them still operative and forgotten about.

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    7. Re:endanger the power grid? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Out of curiousity, when you include area for air conditioning, power/communication conduits, and other support infrastructure, what is the consumption rate per square foot? I'm thinking of it in relation to power generation. In comparison, current best effort solar power is somewhere around 10-20 watts per square foot (averaged over 24 hours) and the worlds largest nuclear plant has a power density of somewhere around 200 watts per square foot (including the 4.2 square kilometer buffer of land, but not the effective area of cooling from the Sea of Japan).

    8. Re:endanger the power grid? by j79zlr · · Score: 1

      The 6,000W/sqft is a very high number and pretty rare. I am currently designing a relatively small data center for a university that has 1,000kW of computing power in a 2,400 sqft room. That comes out to a little over 400W/sqft for computing which is more common. The amount of cooling that I am installing is 4 100-ton chillers. The total load is about 300-tons, the 4th is for backup. The chillers with distribution pumps, cooling tower pumps, etc, consume 1.6kW / ton of cooling. So for 300 tons of cooling, about 480kW plus the 1,000kW of computing or 1,480kW. Divide that by the area and you get about 620W/sqft. That is a little more efficient than most, it is using chilled water that is directly connected via a manifold to each server rack which are water cooled.

      A standard underfloor air system will use about 3-5kW per ton of cooling.

      You have to remember with solar, you are installing on the roof and generally the data center will not be the entirety of the building, so you can potentially have a larger surface to install the solar than the area you are powering. There are also window pane solar collectors. I have read about a new office high rise that was getting a ridiculous amount of its usage, like in the 30-50% range, from those solar panel windows.

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    9. Re:endanger the power grid? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      again you run into the enviromentalists. all of those are valid reasons. Indeed every flat roof should have as many solar cells as they can. Every little bit helps.

      The coming energy crisis isn't going to be solved with massive generators but a massive number of small generators. One or two 1kw vertical turbines on your roof, along with a couple of kilowatts of solar cells on your roof. you won't generate all the power you need but you can offset enough to mak it worth while.

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  16. Suggestion for Data Center Design(ers) by starglider29a · · Score: 1

    Sound proof booth!

    That way, the server dude who is wrangling my server issue CAN HEAR ME when he calls me, elbow deep in whirring fans, spinning disks and humming thingees. Even if he listens, gives me a BRB, puts me on hold and dives into the machines.

    Or if not feasible, maybe the server dudes could wear priestly robes made of this stuff

    1. Re:Suggestion for Data Center Design(ers) by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sound proof booth!
      Will it b-b-b-b-b-be w-w-w-w-warm in th-th-th-th-there?
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    2. Re:Suggestion for Data Center Design(ers) by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Amen. I've spent too much time looking for the warm exhaust of a large system like a Symmetrix in those frigid data centers. Even bringing a coat often isn't enough.

  17. Blackbox computing - scaling design skills by dstates · · Score: 2, Funny

    Instead of everyone hiring their own designer and doing a one off solution, go for the data center in a shipping container. Cost you less than the architects will charge you for thr building design, and a proper industrial design can make the HVAC more efficient and save lots of $$ in the long run.

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    1. Re:Blackbox computing - scaling design skills by Collective+0-0009 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We just thought about doing this for a slightly different reason. Trailers are a funny loophole in US regulations. If you pull a trailer inside a building, the building inspectors come (enviro, electric, whatever) and you just tell them it is a trailer that is currently stored inside. They assume it is regulated by the DMV or some other travel saftey org. But if you never actually drive the trailer on the roads, you never incur that regulation/inspections. Seriously, trailers are a sneaky way to avoid some regulations - legally.

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    2. Re:Blackbox computing - scaling design skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying that deliberately misleading or deceiving the inspectors is legal? Ethical? I hope I never have to deal with your company.

    3. Re:Blackbox computing - scaling design skills by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      When you put it behind the building, make sure it is secured and monitored.
      I know of one case where the whole trailer disappeared overnight.

  18. There has always been a shortage by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There has been a shortage of architectural engineers for the past two decades. I say architectural engineers because very few mechanical engineers go into HVAC, and very few electrical engineers do power systems. It doesn't seem quite as bad structurally.

    It us a shame because it really has a lot of great career opportunities.

    Data center work is just a subset of that-- it is hard to find people with the experience, but not impossible to train.

  19. UK Government by youthoftoday · · Score: 2, Funny
    From T second FA:

    The centre is fitted with state-of-the-art security and has undergone an array of checks to allow it to process data up to government level. If they're up to UK Government data security level I wouldn't trust them with anything
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  20. kinda offtopic by trybywrench · · Score: 3, Funny

    I use to have a few friends who worked for UUNET in Richardson TX. After Worldcom bought them and then the scandel happened their datacenter was reduced to a skeleton crew (including security). My buddy worked nights so some weekends I'd drive up to Richardson from Dallas with some beer and he'd sneak me into the datacenter through a door that the smokers used and we'd hang out, drink, and download movies/watch pron. Good times.

    Their UPS was pretty impressive. It was about a 2 thousand square foot room full of what looked like car batteries. I didn't like to go in there, I don't like being around large, uninsulated, potential. (I was electrocuted pretty badly as a kid once)

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    1. Re:kinda offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I installed most of the network equipment and infrastructure in the building. MCI-UUNET/MFS-Worldcom-MCI sold that building during the Worldcom bankruptcy. That NFL building cost about $38 million to build. It was sold for $10 million. I spent a year an a half working 12 hour days 6 days a week slaving in that place. Selling it was stupid a short sighted. Only done to pump up some VPs spreadsheet.

  21. incremental datacentre design ... by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You hear a lot about the big datacentres that are being planned by the likes of Google, Yahoo etc. I realize this is probably an over simpification but it seems like they know ahead of time what the systems will be for the datacentre. They seem to know the apps they will run, the servers they like etc.

    While I admit that these datacentres are huge and get a lot of publicity, thus a lot of pressure to design right and "green" I don't think that level of advanced knowledge is typical for SMBs and even most non-IT centric businesses regardless of size.

    In practice a company has a few servers and one or two system admins, then they grow, staff leaves, they start thinking about different technologies, required software changes etc. What they end up with is a few vendors servers, a few vendors disk arrays probably a few flavors of networking etc.

    In short the "real world" problem for the majority of companies/sys-admins isn't the very academic concept of building a single purpose datacentre, but handling growth and change. I'm yet to see a good reference for how to handle this. At best I see vendors showing how great there new server/rack combination is in isolation, Another popular thing is the ever popular look how low our power needs per FLOP are for a data centre based on our products. Yeah like we are likely to use identical systems for databases as we do for LDAP, and the same one for a fileserver as we use for a MPI cluster.

    Anyways, does anyone know a good reference to deal with these "real world" problems?

    1. Re:incremental datacentre design ... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All companies face those same challenges, including Microsoft and Google. I work mostly with banks, and we are always faced with micro and macro change and growth planning. With help, some banks can go from a one-quarter projection to a reasonable three year projection. Five to six years is harder, but sometimes possible.

      The biggest secret is in providing enough space to allow for growth, changing needs, and eventually equipment replacement.

      As for efficiency, I have to tell an aspiring co-lo that they will pay more for power than their OC-192s, and thatthe cost of a server is less than the power it consumes. It is easy for growing companies to ignore it at first, but it eventually catches up with you.

      The old solution was to move the servers to a place with cheap electricity. That will backfire soon; you really need to shift focus to plan for energy efficiency, even if it means your fiber runs are longer (segregate by density rather than system or function).

  22. weatherproofing by rossjudson · · Score: 1

    All of this crazy crap is necessary because

    a) Stoopid computer parts can't just sit outside and work right.

    b) Cheap heartland desert acres are beloved by accountants.

    No roof == no heat problem. If there's wind. And you're not in the sahara.

    If only my data center was water-resistant...

    1. Re:weatherproofing by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I wonder what the temperature is, at 20,000 feet? Why isn't Nepal the server capital of the world?

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  23. How many jobs per data center? by miller60 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Here's an interesting related issue: how many people does it take to operate a data center? Google always says that it will create 200 full-time positions at each of its new data centers. But an analysis of data center staffing for new Yahoo and Microsoft facilities in Washington State suggests that these companies can run a data center with 30 to 50 staffers.


    Data center employment often comes up in discussions of economic development. Many communities are eager to attract data center projects, but struggle to define the economic benefits of these facilities. Jobs have always been the primary benchmark by which economic development projects are measured. Incentive packages offered by state and local governments are often based on the number of full-time jobs created by a new business. And do data centers really hire locally, or do trained data center engineers migrate from other existing data center hubs? In some cases, local officials try to stipulate local hires, which is a sticky wicket.

    1. Re:How many jobs per data center? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      In some cases, local officials try to stipulate local hires, which is a sticky wicket.

      Well that might be an issue with skilled labor. Some skillsets cannot simply be trained, for example mechanical and electrical engineers. They require degrees and, in some cases, professional certification. Computer admins might be trained but more likely require experience and some certification. Electricians, HVAC technicians can be found locally but the question is then a matter of skill and availability. Unskilled labor of course is the only category that might be easily filled.

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    2. Re:How many jobs per data center? by miller60 · · Score: 1

      That's a good point, and one of the reasons that data center site location specialists are focusing on markets where there's a local college or university with a program that trains IT staff, especially if they offer secruity certifications that meet NSA standards.

    3. Re:How many jobs per data center? by ostiguy · · Score: 1

      Its got to be the IT equivalent of sports arenas (heretofore the most infamous boondoggle as a jobs creator/economic engine) - lets have a 100k sq ft thing consume far more power than 10-20 100k sq ft office parks, and we got TWO HUNDRED jobs to show for it. Fantastic.

    4. Re:How many jobs per data center? by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Some skillsets cannot simply be trained, for example mechanical and electrical engineers. They require degrees and, in some cases, professional certification.


      And how the hell do people get degrees and professional certification? Sure, those things tend to have a much longer training period, but it can't be that difficult to find people capable of Doing The Math, which is really to what a huge amount of engineering boils down.
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    5. Re:How many jobs per data center? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And do data centers really hire locally, or do trained data center engineers migrate from other existing data center hubs? In some cases, local officials try to stipulate local hires, which is a sticky wicket

      When Google plants a data center in The Dalles, OR, and MSFT plants one in Moses Lake, WA, I guarantee you that most of the hires aren't local. Initially. They just plain don't exist there.

      As far as the local economy goes, though, even if every hire comes in from out of the area, it's likely to be good for the local economy. People need to live somewhere, buy groceries from somewhere, etc. Their kids need to go to school, and educated parents are always a good force for the schools. The tax base goes up, etc.

      Local officials can try to mandate local hires all they want, but before Google came to the Dalles, I'll bet there weren't a lot of Linux systems engineers there.

      For the non-northwesterners, The Dalles is a town of about 15,000 people, about 100 miles east of Portland, where Google is constructing a new data center. It was mostly a farming and logging community before.

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    6. Re:How many jobs per data center? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      A new data center is coming to town in 6 months. They need a mechanical engineer. Can a local convenience clerk be trained for that position in that amount of time? No. They need a degree (4+ years). If they are doing any work that involves construction, then they need to be a licensed Professional Engineer to sign off on documents. Professional Engineer License requires up to 4 years of work experience (depends on state) and passing of two technical exams similar to the bar for lawyer or medical boards for a doctor. So unless the local town has a bunch of engineers looking for jobs, the company may have to relocate people. Or the company can wait to fill that position for years while the local convenience clerk gets his degree and certification.

      In a similar vein if a new hospital was opening instead of a data center would you say it can't be that hard to get people to Pass Out Pills and Bandage People which really to what a huge amount of medicine boils down.

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    7. Re:How many jobs per data center? by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 1

      You forget...

      One of the reasons GOOG located there was because of cheap power. That cheap power used to supply aluminum mills. In fact, if you go to the actual data center (I have) and poke around a bit (I have), you notice the huge remnants of the aluminum plants, and the infrastructure required to run them.

      Google probably hired a larger portion of local HVAC, systems engineering and construction personnel then expected. The Dalles also plays host to a mid-sized UP facility that also makes railroad ties, several machine shops, and the Dalles dam. I bet some of the maintenance/engineering crew for the dam did some work for Google...

      Also, farms and logging require some fairly intensive infrastructure. Even a Timberking takes a skilled operator and repair shop, especially if you have those adorable northwest hippies spiking trees.

      A bit more than farms and logging, but yeah, that is most of the economy.

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    8. Re:How many jobs per data center? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree, though maybe some of my point are too pedantic.
      If a new data center is coming to town in 6 months, they better have had the planning of construction and staffing done already.
      As far as the design of the construction goes, there's nothing saying that the engineers have to be located in the town. I've designed systems constructed in about 35 different states without moving from my state.
      For mechanical operation and maintenance, they might want, but probably don't need, to employ a licensed operating engineer (not the same as a licensed Professional Engineer). If they offer decent compensation, they ought to be able to attract decent workers, and you can be sure that any reasonable corporation (is that an oxymoron?) has already researched the ability to attract the workers they think they need to the site before committing to that site.
      Having worked on design of both data centers and hospitals (among other things) I know that designing, staffing, and operating a hospital has a lot more stringent and critical requirements than a critical data center.

    9. Re:How many jobs per data center? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      My point was that in some cases, skilled labor may require relocation of personnel. It was implied that unskilled labor could be hired and trained for some skilled positions. In many positions, a company cannot simply hired unskilled labor and train them for the jobs. Engineering jobs fall under that category. Those jobs require degrees.

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  24. I have proposed a solution! by notdotcom.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, here's how it's going to work out...

    We can send people to college and have them study things like thermodynamics, the flow of air and water in a system, physics, electricity, scale, and perhaps even a little economics. (Things that would be useful for data center design) ...we will call them "ENGINEERS"

    And here's the real kicker: They can APPLY what they have learned in classrooms and labs to actual mechanical and electrical systems in a datacenter!

    Wow, that was rough sailing for a while there.

    Note, however, that this does not solve the problem of nobody wanting to PAY these "engineers" a real salary to build out their $50 million data-center.

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    1. Re:I have proposed a solution! by homer_s · · Score: 1

      Note, however, that this does not solve the problem of nobody wanting to PAY these "engineers" a real salary to build out their $50 million data-center.

      And what would be a "real salary" and how do you arrive at that number?

  25. Data center managers in demand, too by 1sockchuck · · Score: 1

    It's not just data center designers that are in demand. There are a ton of listings for data center managers at the Data Center Jobs site.

  26. Video tour of data center design & constructio by miller60 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the "how a data center gets built" front, last week I had a tour of a new $250 million data center facility in Virginia that is getting ready to open later this month. The facility manager provided a walk-through of the power and cooling infrastructure, explaining the company's approach to designing these systems for energy efficiency and scale. I shot video, which is now posted online. The data center operator, Terremark, separated most of the electrical infrastructure from the IT equipment, putting them on separate floors and housing the generators in a separate facility. They have 11 generators now, but will have 55 Caterpillar 2.25-megawatt units when the entire complex is finished.

  27. SkyNet is assembling itself ... by peter303 · · Score: 1

    They've already taken over the governorship of California and have many more ambitions.

  28. It's the NIMBYs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They are trying to build more in the region (a long way away from everyone's house), but the environmentalists won't allow it.

    Nope. It's the NIMBYs because they're afraid that their home values will go down. They just get the environmentalists on board for the free legal help and credibility.

    1. Re:It's the NIMBYs. by Kohath · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not in this case. It's the Big Stone 2 plant in South Dakota. The locals want it. The environmental elites that live hundreds of miles away are trying to kill it.

    2. Re:It's the NIMBYs. by mgblst · · Score: 1

      The environmental elites that live hundreds of miles away are trying to kill it.

      Yeah, damn those elites, always looking towards the future, not wanting to pour tons of garbage into the atmosphere, wanting their kids to be able to go outside. Where do they get off? Just because I want to have 100watt bulbs in every room of the house on every day, with my air-conditioner and heater on at the same time in the garage to keep my SUV at exactly the right temperature for when I get in it in the morning, who are they to tell me what to do? Bastards.

      Yes, the elites, who give a shit, how dare they. It is is not like the pollution caused by a coal power plant can travel in the wind, and affects anyone else?

  29. This Is Why The Mainframe Is Coming Back by littlewink · · Score: 1

    They'd do better to buy a couple of IBM mainframes.

  30. IT = Volatile by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing I've learned from my 20-odd years of experience is that a career in IT is volatile. Your specialty will go up and down in value over the years as globalization, fads, and technology changes ebb and flow.

    The problem is that if you have a family, such volatility can be problematic. Possible solutions are to save during the good times (nearly impossible if you are married), or be a generalist, such as the only IT person at a small company or department. Generalists tend not to be paid well, but they do seem to weather downturns or paradigm changes better. It's a trade-off.

    1. Re:IT = Volatile by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been a low level tech grunt for almost 20 years. Nice thing is, I'll always have work. Am the 21st C. equivalent of a general auto mechanic. Nice thing is, I've been able to make a decent living and pretty much pick my work environment. Have never been afraid to pick up and leave, even with family. What's funny is, there are several younger guys in my shop and they are chafing at the work. They don't like the hands on stuff and are just bitching and moaning, hoping to get a team lead position. Only one guy is doing anything about it, going to school for his MBA. Hopefully, he'll retain some sense of just what can and can't be accomplished via IT and won't become a bone headed manager.

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    2. Re:IT = Volatile by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Have never been afraid to pick up and leave, even with family.

      Some of us just don't have that option (barring starvation). Changing schools and friends can be traumatic for kids; and packing up is a royal pain in the [bleep]. I believe you to be an exception to the rule.

    3. Re:IT = Volatile by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Yeah and I'll admit, after finally moving in to our new house, after building it for two years, we don't want to move again. Luckily, we're in a tech heavy area so, even if we end up having to commute (wife and I both work in same department) further, it'll be worth it to stay put. And yeah, daughter's getting old enough that moving/leaving friends is now a big deal.

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    4. Re:IT = Volatile by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Luckily, we're in a tech heavy area

      I don't think that makes a difference. In fact, it may be the opposite. Some of the highest unemployment was in Silicone Valley during around 2003. If you have industry-specific knowledge outside of tech, then it may not be tied to tech slowdowns, giving you more options. For example, real-estate was booming while the dot-coms were melting down. Thus, if you worked for a real-estate company, you'd do well while other techies were not, and could hop back to a tech company when real-estate crashes. Its less likely they both crash at the same time.

  31. Re:Video tour of data center design & construc by zerocool^ · · Score: 1


    Here's another inside peek, and a spam for my employer:

    http://scobleizer.com/2008/03/13/a-real-business-leader/

    It's about Rackspace's new datacenter in San Antonio.

    ~W

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  32. How much is used for advertising delivery? by Animats · · Score: 1

    What is all this computing infrastructure doing that's useful? Other than advertising delivery?

  33. Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by bryce4president · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't get it. Besides "think of the Polar Bears", I can't see why we don't just move all our data centers to the arctic. We can pump oil right out of the ground and burn it for the electricity needed to power the units. We don't need AC just some air pumps to push the cold air through the building. That solves two problems right there.

    1)We can now pump oil out of the national reserves in Alaska
    2)We don't have to work very hard to cool the data centers.

    Win Win if you ask me ;)

    1. Re:Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by jsailor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While it may appear that you don't have to work hard to cool the data centers, you will have to work hard to humidify them if you do not want your equipment to die. This is a non-trivial cost and is the reason the "free cooling" (taking in outside air to cool a data center) is often not free.
      One answer may be heat wheels, but they are fairly new and unproven in the data center space. Take a look at http://www.kyotocooling.com/

    2. Re:Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by grouse · · Score: 1

      A data center I use had its AC fail over the Christmas period once. It was 0 degrees Celsius outside, yet inside the temperature kept rising by a degree Celsius every minute or so. It got to 50 degrees C before someone turned it all off (and of course, there was a lot of fried equipment by then).

    3. Re:Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      First, how are electronics hurt by a lack of humidity?

      Second, just bubble your dry warm air through some cold water. You'll get cold wet air.

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    4. Re:Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by jsailor · · Score: 1

      Below about 20% RH, you get Electrostatic Discharge (ESD). The sparks you can see aren't the ones that kill the equipment, it's the ones that occur inside the equipment without human intervention that kill it.

      As the low-humidity cool air you've blown in heats up, its relative humidity drops even lower. You may find the humidifying the volume of air present in a 100,000-200,000 square foot data center with a 4 foot raised floor, a 12-15 foot ceiling, and a 4 foot ceiling plenum a little challenging. Especially if you're considering "changing" that air by continually bringing in new air from the outside.

      You may also find that maintaining traditional chilled water systems from temperate climates becomes expensive, environmentally unfriendly, and maintenance intensive when the outside temperature is significantly below freezing.

      The heat wheel approach addresses the humidity and contaminant concerns by keeping the data center space and air isolated from the outside air. they are used in other industries, but are new to data centers, so the cautious folks with big data centers are leary.

    5. Re:Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by jbengt · · Score: 1

      THe Chicago Board of Trade once had to close down because they overheated when record cold killed their AC system to operate (I believe that they couldn't pump the glycol at -23F+/-(-30C+/-), though they might have had 'winterized' open cooling towers )

    6. Re:Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by jbengt · · Score: 1

      As another response said, low humidity increases damaging static electric charges, though most modern electronics are more tolerant than in the past. As far as bubbling warm air through water and similar to humidify and cool, this has been done, but it's not as simple as it sounds. Depending on how you do it, you have to deal with mold, bacteria, particulates added to the air stream, etc. Not impossible to deal with, but not cheap. Most Owners opt for fewer maintenance issues instead of lower energy bills.

    7. Re:Use geography to solve the cooling problems... by bryce4president · · Score: 1

      While I appreciate being modded Insightful, I wonder if anybody actually found this amusing. I guess I should have ended the post with an end tag. or something along those lines. Just trying to piggy back some current political events onto a joke, but I didn't realize that people had ACTUALLY considered this. No one really argued against this, think of all the data transmission lines that would need to be installed, how hard it would be to maintain them in that climate, and just getting all the equipment there...the costs would far out weight the benefits... I guess I just didn't point to enough drawbacks to make this a logical joke... Oh well...

  34. Green Computing by Wister285 · · Score: 1

    Much like the unintended consequences of the ethanol disaster, people who want to go paperless to save the trees have to look at the non-trivial task of supplying energy needs to a data center. When you realize this, the importance of green IT becomes apparent. Whether or not global warming is indeed the threat that they say it is, developing energy solutions that don't rely on fossil fuels is imperative. Basically, we need to use more nuclear power!

    1. Re:Green Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you remove the first and last lines of your post, it's insightful!

      The slashdot nuke shills are getting tiresome...

  35. Re:Video tour of data center design & construc by zerocool^ · · Score: 1

    Actually, the above article is kind of thick on fluff (??), but here's the video:

    http://www.fastcompany.tv/video/rackspace-tears-new-headquarters

    ~W

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  36. There is always a shortage of engineers. by benjamindees · · Score: 1

    It's by design. For some reason, "engineering" is a specialty profession with huge barriers to entry. The shortage of "architectural engineers" is likely due to the fact that most colleges wouldn't even think of offering such an obscure degree.

    No one would dream of hiring, say, a physicist to design a datacenter. Yet a physics degree in most universities differs from an "architectural engineering" degree by just a handful of classes. And ultimately the physicist would probably do a better job.

    Speaking of jobs, I'm surrounded by engineers. But I'm not an engineer. I'm a Linux expert. So let me tell you what I do at my current job: Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

    I've taken the tasks I'm charged with, some of which constitute "engineering", and put them into a handful of programs. My programs read AutoCAD drawings, find errors, and automatically generate installation, operation & maintenance manuals for custom industrial equipment. The end result is the same as if an engineer had sat down to write a manual from scratch, which is the way it was done before I got here.

    Actually, I won't even go that far. My results are better. My results are faster. My results are consistent. My programs find design errors that no engineer would waste their time trying to find. My programs don't waste time reinventing the wheel.

    I just push a button every now and then. That leaves time for me to hassle with IT for more disk space and a faster computer and, of course, read Slashdot. The IT dept. is probably also reading Slashdot right now, and thinking about ways they can outsource their servers to a datacenter somewhere. It's a good thing there aren't enough datacenters for them to do that, because that would probably make my programs slower.

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