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Man Fired When Laptop Malware Downloaded Porn

Geoffrey.landis writes "The Massachusetts Department of Industrial Accidents fired worker Michael Fiola and initiated procedures to prosecute him for child pornography when they determined that internet temporary files on his laptop computer contained child porn. According to Fiola, 'My boss called me into his office at 9 a.m. The director of the Department of Industrial Accidents, my immediate supervisor, and the personnel director were there. They handed me a letter and said, "You are being fired for a violation of the computer usage policy. You have pornography on your computer. You're fired. Clean out your desk. Let's go."' Fiola said, 'They wouldn't talk to me. They said, "We've been advised by our attorney not to talk to you."' However, prosecutors dropped the case when a state investigation of his computer determined there was insufficient evidence to prove he had downloaded the files. Computer forensic analyst Tami Loehrs, who spent a month dissecting the computer for the defense, explained in a 30-page report that the laptop was running corrupted virus-protection software, and Fiola was hit by spammers and crackers bombarding its memory with images of incest and pre-teen porn not visible to the naked eye. The virus protection and software update functions on the laptop had been disabled, and apparently the laptop was 'crippled' by malware. According to Loehrs, 'When they gave him this laptop, it had belonged to another user, and they changed the user name for him, but forgot to change the SMS user name, so SMS was trying to connect to a user that no longer existed ... It was set up to do all of its security updates via the server, and none of that was happening because he was out in the field.' A malware script on the machine surfed foreign sites at a rate of up to 40 per minute whenever the machine was within range of a wireless site."

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  1. What is the real truth here? by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It just seems immensly more likely that he got infected by malware from surfing porn sites, than getting infected by porn from having malware.

    1. Re:What is the real truth here? by Paul+Pierce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It just seems immensly more likely that he got infected by malware from surfing porn sites, than getting infected by porn from having malware. But Child porn? Would he be that dumb? I've seen many really infected machines, and let me tell you so nasty stuff pops up, and I really hope if they were surfing porn that they were able to find better stuff than that.

      Oh, and by the way, the real Truth is here. (check my name)
    2. Re:What is the real truth here? by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Sounds like it may have been the previous user that got the machine infected."

      Sounds like a good reason to either demand a clean install when being issued a machine (and check it yourself anyway) or (if dealing with clueless types) wipe it, hand it back, and play the luser:

      "Uhh, I can't log on..."

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    3. Re:What is the real truth here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've noticed from having kids that when kids think they're getting away with something, it's just that the whole thing sucks (embarrassing for both or just annoying) so you let the kid think he got away with it. One day, if you have any kids, you'll figure this out.

    4. Re:What is the real truth here? by story645 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless, you're just as good and that's why your kids a programmer at 6.

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    5. Re:What is the real truth here? by story645 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's your situation, and granted I also run circles around my mom (a programmer) when it comes to computers. But what about when/if you have kids. Do you really expect that they'll be that much better (or even as good), even ignoring the intellectual challenge of trying to break whatever levels of security they went through. Even if they are very good-even if you don't know how to implement, you've got a vague understanding of what's possible, just from background and experience.

      All that kind of adds up-I'm sure there are guys on ./ perfectly aware of their kid's porn harddrive who are just pretending it does not exist 'cause it's not a battle worth picking.

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    6. Re:What is the real truth here? by smallfries · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yikes I remember being 18 as well. Don't worry by the time you grow up you'll be amazed at how much everyone else has learnt. I'm only half taking the piss. When I first turned up at uni as a fresh faced undergraduate you've perfectly described my own self-image. Now that I'm an older, more cynical postdoc I see the world differently.

      One thing that will make a real difference for you is to find your natural peer group. Until then, like the AC said: ask for lessons in humility.

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  2. Certainly sounds fair... by Raineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good to know they researched heavily before firing him. At my company when re-deploying hardware like a laptop it is standard to wipe it completely and load a ghosted image. Who WOULDN'T do at least as much?

    1. Re:Certainly sounds fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      At my company when re-deploying hardware like a laptop it is standard to wipe it completely and load a ghosted image. Who WOULDN'T do at least as much? The Massachusetts Department of Industrial Accidents
    2. Re:Certainly sounds fair... by PJ1216 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not true. In many states yes, but not all. They're only allowed to fire people for any ol' reason if the state is an "at will employment." It means you or the employer can use any reason whatsoever to stop working. Technically, i think in any state someone can quit for any reason, but... i dunno... thats how the law was always explained to me. i could be mistaken.

  3. yet another by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    case where you can't help but think "this can't be right".. making certain types of information illegal to possess just doesn't make practical sense in the context of the Internet, no matter how morally objectionable we find it.

    1. Re:yet another by Mr+EdgEy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Production (!), and distribution.

    2. Re:yet another by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's say you own a large rural property, and someone sets up a drug lab deep in the forest. Just because in some cases people might be unaware of what's happening on their property, it doesn't make sense to make drug labs illegal? Because in some cases people might be unaware of what's happening on their computer, it doesn't make sense to make information illegal to posess? I'm sorry but that'd be a pretty strange world. If things are uncertain, it's the prosecution's job to stick it to them "beyond a reasonable doubt". The defense tries to tear that evidence apart, like they just did. I don't see the problem with that system.

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    3. Re:yet another by tmosley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, make production illegal (which it is), and possibly make it illegal to purchase it.

      I mean, you wouldn't punish someone for having videos of people being murdered, would you? You would only punish those who did the killing, and perhaps those who purchased it, providing that the purchaser knew that they were encouraging such behavior, which is a stretch, I know. That's why I'm not sure if purchasing kiddie porn should be illegal.

    4. Re:yet another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Possession crimes in general are bad ideas. You can make anyone a criminal with only minimal effort.

      "Officer, I'd like to make an anonymous tip. So-and-so Smith is carrying marijuana in a plastic baggie taped to the inside of his bumper, license plate 555-555. He parks at workplace. I overheard him talking about selling it."

      Bam. Reasonable cause, possession, and intent to distribute despite the fact that Mr. Smith has led a blameless life. Because of someone's grudge and quick work with masking tape, he's now a felon.

      Possession crimes are super-easy to prove in court and are therefore a favorite of prosecutors.

      "Here's a photo of the illicit material in his possession. What do you think, jury? If he had the material in his possession, he's guilty of the crime."

      Of course there are absolutely no corrupt officials or police officers who would ever plant such evidence. If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

      Bonus: Captcha == "Bunkmate" which is what this guy narrowly avoided being plowed by.

    5. Re:yet another by blitziod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      possesion of child porn is teh only possesion crime in the USA that does not carry defenses for people who do so unknowingly or by accident. The easiest thing to do is change this law.

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    6. Re:yet another by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And also, how can we possibly stop people from murdering each other unless we arrest people who have crime scene photos?

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    7. Re:yet another by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " Because in some cases people might be unaware of what's happening on their computer, it doesn't make sense to make information illegal to posess?"

      You told it: it doesn't make sense to make information illegal to posess. I thought that to be self-evident in "the land of the free".

    8. Re:yet another by anagama · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Make _intentionally_ having it a crime. Yes, this does create a harder burden for prosecution, but why should someone be prosecuted for something that 1) they didn't actually do, 2) didn't even know was going on, and 3) didn't even know they had. If we prosecute such people, we might as well just admit we're no longer "home of the free" but are rather just another pathetic abusive government.

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    9. Re:yet another by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This pretty much equates to outlawing the symptoms of a problem such as the tremors of an alcoholic in need of smooth refreshing goodness.

      I once heard that described as "trying to cure diarrhea by tinkering with the plumbing in your house."

      When something is no good for anyone I think it's safe to say that it should be illegal. If someone comes along that can prove it does some good then the issue needs to be readdressed and evaluated for legitimacy.

      That, ultimately, isn't the issue. The problem here is that the mere accusation of child pornography is punitive to such a degree that, even if you're not ultimately convicted, you'll suffer severe consequences. That's not what the Founders had in mind for our legal system (as corrupted as their vision has become.) Somebody who gets nailed for drug possession or dealing (which, given how much the government spends to stop it must be a crime worse than murder) doesn't go through what a person merely accused of possessing child pornography does. It's one thing to punish those who break the law, those who hurt other people ... but we're at the point where law enforcement is doing as much if not more damage. Time to restore a little balance, time to make sure that we're actually putting the right people away. Most of us complain vociferously about the RIAA's anti-piracy campaign because whether you did the crime or not, whether you go to court or settle, you've been punished by the legal system. A person who has been accused of a crime shouldn't have their life destroyed over the accusation. But that is exactly what's happening here.

      Better to let a guilty man go free than imprison an innocent one. There are those who disagree with that, who believe that a few thousand wrongly imprisoned souls are a small price to pay "for the children" but they're wrong. If child pornography is truly as big a problem as everyone says (I'm not saying that it isn't, I just haven't looked up any numbers on it) then give law enforcement the funds they need to go after the real criminals, the ones who exploit the innocent is such a horrible way. To do otherwise is no justice at all.

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  4. Alas by rustalot42684 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people hadn't jumped to conclusions and had done a more thorough investigation, this man would not have lost his job and reputation.

  5. A poorer man would've been convicted by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've heard of people getting screwed by their bosses before but this is ridiculous.

    If he hadn't had the resources to hire his own expert, he would be in prison and branded a sex offender for life, all because his boss didn't practice safe hex.

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  6. Dayam. by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Man... reason # 10,297,668 why I primarily use Linux as my desktop @ work.


    Not that Linux (or OSX, or any of 'em for that matter) are 100% crack-proof, but putting one's career at the mercy of common malware and the only safety net is a sharp eye at the IT department?


    OTOH, I suspect this guy (if he plays his cards right and has a sharp lawyer on retainer) may never have to work another day in his life.

    /P

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    1. Re:Dayam. by Drgnkght · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suspect this guy (if he plays his cards right and has a sharp lawyer on retainer) may never have to work another day in his life. Which is a good thing because his chances of finding a decent job after this are about nil. Newspaper headlines are big when they can shout "Evil child-molester caught!", not so much when they have to say "oops, our bad."
    2. Re:Dayam. by phorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not safe enough these days. Both my linux and boxen are regularly being sniped at.

      I'd also recommend:

      a) No root SSHD
      b) Denyhosts, with known hosts in hosts.allow
      c) Using an alternate SSH port
      d) Using a secure password. Alphanumeric with various characters

      Even with an OK alphanumeric password, I've seen boxes hacked through brute-force. Already-rooted machines will happily look for others to add to their army. Having a secure OS and failing on (d) is still a good way to invite disaster.

      (sorry if I'm preaching to the choir, but I've seen plenty of hacked boxen in both the windows and 'nix/BSD realm lately due to poor security practices).

  7. The real crime here... by adsl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real crime here is that the charges were dropped thru "insufficient evidence".... Why is this loophole allowed to prosecutors? How about. "We are sorry we should never have arrested you, fired you and will will formally erradicate all your arrest process so it never happened and give you backed dated pay and legal expenses".

    1. Re:The real crime here... by opusman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's the way the adversarial legal system works. EVERYONE is a potential criminal; those of us not in jail are only loose because of lack of evidence.

    2. Re:The real crime here... by tmosley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good luck with that.

  8. Re:Tough lesson learned... by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And how does the average corporate employee even know whether he/she has a "clean build" when issued a new laptop. Most times a laptop arrives pre-imaged with an OS and a standard suite of software tools. Unless you go poking around the filesystem you can't really tell how "clean" the machine is.

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  9. "We stand by our decision" by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DIA spokeswoman Linnea Walsh confirmed Fiola "was terminated," but declined to say if any internal discipline has been meted out as a result of his name being cleared in court.

    "We stand by our decision," she said.
    So now the DIA is trying cover it's own ass for giving him "a ticking time bomb" and then firing him for it and ruining any social life he had.
    The worst part is that the assholes at DIA responsible for the horrible "roll-out" of a replacement laptop, and the PHB's responsible for firing him w/o doing proper research into the issue will not be punished in any way. THEIR lives won't be ruined. Even if he wins a lawsuit. It'll be money from the DIA, but no real punishment to the people involved.

    Somebody find all their names and contact info (I'm too lazy) and post it. Let's send the info to Russia with requests for Viagra and child porn.

    Seriously though, The Office is funny on TV, but tragic in real life. These people should be arrested for harassment and criminal negligence at the least.

    What kind of laws can we enforce (and/or pass) to truly punish the individuals responsible for shit like this? Lawsuit money from the organization isn't even close to justice.

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    1. Re:"We stand by our decision" by NumbDr9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hi,

      There's certainly plenty of blame to pass around here, but before you go on a witch hunt, let's look at what may have happened.

      Now, chances are that the PHB was not the one who discovered the child porn. More than likely the content was reported to the PHB or HR or whatever by somebody in IT. So right away we have an unknown and possibly long chain of communication. So the PHB hears from somebody in the company that one of the employees is downloading child porn, what is he supposed to do now (especially if he's not tech savy)? Did the IT department inform the PHB or HR or whatever that it could be a false alarm? Maybe, maybe not. Was the critical information lost somewhere during the chain of communication? Maybe or maybe not. We do know from the article that the PHB consulted the company lawyer (probably a good idea). So now a lawyer is involved. what advice did the lawyer give to the PHB? Was the PHB acting of his own accord, or directly following instructions from legal? The answer is not obvious.

      Now somebody somewhere dropped the ball, but it is entirely unclear which person or persons are to blame for that happening. Additionally it appears on the surface that the mistake was not made wilfully or out of spite, but out of a mistaken conviction.

      If this had happened to me, I would be far less concerned about getting even with whoever was to blame, and far more interested in pursueing appropriate compensation.

  10. Why? lots of reasons by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    * to disrupt society
    * to provide a plausible alibi for any of his perverted friends
    * to drive up the cost of prosecuting this type of crime so prosecutors will have less money to prosecute his brother-in-law who runs an organized crime family
    * kicks/jollies/juvenile reasons
    * someone paid him to do it
    * Why ask why
    * He wanted his work to get on CowboyNealBoard, er, I mean Slashdot

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  11. Re:Lawyer: This, boys and girls, is why . . . by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the sites the malware connects through pay via click through.

    What that bit of malware probably did was go around to a bunch of sites that the author gets fees from and makes it look like someone is browsing them.

    Get a botnet of 1,000 computers going and it looks like hacker X convinced 1,000 people to view the site over and over.

  12. Re:Lawyer: This, boys and girls, is why . . . by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I'm skeptical about the idea of malware that secretly downloads and hides kiddie porn--why would the malware developer do that? I really can't fault the emploeyr for not considering such an idea and investigating it. Providing a layer of protection between the source nad the potential customers? I doubt an ad server serving up illegal images would be alive for very long.
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  13. Most organisations wouldn't by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many companies only have limited IT capability and many will just hand over a computer from an ex employee to a new employee with very minor changes. Saves a bunch of work reinstalling stuff.

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  14. I saw the movie by Ranger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's called Farm Sluts. Hilarious! Well not for the guy in real life.

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  15. Re:Lawyer: This, boys and girls, is why . . . by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I'm skeptical about the idea of malware that secretly downloads and hides kiddie porn--why would the malware developer do that?

    I've actually seen this sort of thing a couple times... not for kiddie porn luckily. Just movies (hollywood) and warez back before p2p.

    As you can imagine finding servers to host and distribute this sort of stuff can be difficult. So why not compromise some random persons laptop, setup an ftp server, irc, dynamic dns, and whatever else... and then use it as a free and 'anonymous' remote host and storage.

    It wouldn't surprise me in the least that this could be in use for kiddie porn distribution.

    I really can't fault the emploeyr for not considering such an idea and investigating it.

    When dealing with any case of child abuse including kiddie porn, one should ALWAYS be extremely cautious. Because whether he is innocent or not, people will never look at him the same way again.

  16. Re:Lawyer: This, boys and girls, is why . . . by Sparks23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From my (admittedly cursory) read of the article, I gather they claim the malware was trying to pop up the images to a broken account. I.e., the malware downloaded the images (hence their being in the temp directory) and tried to display, but then failed. Thus, the user never saw that the laptop was doing this, or else he could've gone, 'uhm, something is very wrong with this machine.'

    If this is true, though, the real question then becomes how they didn't notice the virus on the machine when reconfiguring things (poorly) for the new user. At that point, if the defense argument is accurate, the malware should have still been able to display this stuff, and you'd think the IT guys would have noticed...

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  17. Re:Tough lesson learned... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd imagine that if he's got a half decent lawyer that he'll never have to work again.

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  18. umm?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Arrest those exploiting kids?

  19. Re:Unlawful Termination by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Typical canadians, with thier pesky protecting employees. Do you know nothing about capitalism? it only works if you give the employer COMPLETE power.

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  20. Re:Lawyer: This, boys and girls, is why . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    > why would the malware developer do that?

    Perhaps the malware is part of a P2P network distributing porn? Why risk getting arrested for distributing porn when you can co-opt other (innocent) people's computers into a network that does your dirty work for you?

  21. Re:Telling quote from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Well, they can't really re-hire him. He now has the fact that he was arrested on child sex crimes on his record, and generally Government departments cannot employ a person with something like that on their record. In fact, it'll likely turn up in every background check by potential future employers, making him unemployable.



    No future employer is likely to take the public relations gamble that he's innocent, versus the huge risks if he isn't, when there's a thousand other candidates as good who are not a risk at all.


    In a case like that, where the guy is irretrievably ruined for life, he should be compensated the same as anyone else who can never work again through workplace negligence, say in the form of physical injury, which would be anticipated remaining lifetime earning, with whatever cap there is on such damages.


    Of course, that won't happen. He'll probably work in some cheap, dead-end junk job, where nobody cares about background and nobody asks questions. If he's lucky. The US has a high homeless rate, and very little of it is voluntary or self-inflicted.

  22. ..why Megan's law and "zero tolerance" is tyranny. by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    abuse including kiddie porn, one should ALWAYS be extremely cautious. Because whether he is innocent or not, people will never look at him the same way again. and this is why "zero tolerance" and "Megan's law" are tyranny.

    zero tolerance laws produce an extreme disincentive to properly and discretely investigate such things before slinging around an accusation which will ruin somebody's life.

    "Megan's law"s punish people after the official debt to society has been paid. If you are so sure pedophilia is an incurable, life-long disease, than imprison them for life or develop a house arrest program, but you can't simply toss these sex offenders out, put a big neon "child molester" sign over their head, and pretend they have the same rights, or are not in danger of vigilantism.

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  23. Re:..why Megan's law and "zero tolerance" is tyran by John+Meacham · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed. they should extend the indictment requirement required by the constitution for capital offenses to these sorts of crimes. Being falsely accused of molestation is much worse than being falsely accused of murder in terms of social repurcusions. (assuming one was eventually declared innocent of both).

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  24. Re:..why Megan's law and "zero tolerance" is tyran by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


    Frankly, zero-tolerance doesn't seem like what the Founders had in mind, nor does torturing people you don't like for the rest of their natural (and now probably shortened) lives. Granted, I suppose this depends upon your interpretation of "cruel and unusual", but if this can be applied to sex offenders it can be applied to any group of people if you can manage to vilify them sufficiently.

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  25. Re:Not everybody is a slashdotter by dedazo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, it's too bad he did not have the skill and nerve

    Not having a skill you might happen (I assume) to have shouldn't be cause for derision or ridicule. As for the "nerve", you've obviously never had a job at a company of any significant size. And we'll leave it at that.

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  26. His arrest record will be enough by davidwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless it's sealed or marked "actually innocent," he'll have a hard time getting any job in any position of trust.

    Heck, he may even be barred from volunteering at his child's school as long as this information is public.

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  27. Re:..why Megan's law and "zero tolerance" is tyran by Belial6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, Megan's law is obviously intended to incite mob 'justice'. Executions are expensive and socially messy. It is much simpler to 'think of the children', publish the addresses of sex offenders, and hope that some other sicko takes care of the problem for you.

  28. Its called "the greater good" by voss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long hes a decent guy...

    By bringing it to his attention
    1) You save the company a competent employee
    2) Discourage him from doing it again
    3) You demonstrate your personal loyalty to an up and coming executive.

    The question you have to answer, is did the employees actions harm the company
    in a non-trivial manner? I assume the answer is no. There are many things users
    do that waste time, most of which are trivial and do not actively cost the company money.
    If the cost of stopping these trivial things exceeds the benefits then you tolerate it and move on.

    I would be more concerned about the use of a "firewall/lan bypass device" than the content itself.

    1. Re:Its called "the greater good" by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      4) You own him until he leaves the company.

  29. Re:..why Megan's law and "zero tolerance" is tyran by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We had an earlier article about a guy who was listed as a sex offender for raping a 30-40 year old woman, and when he moved a crazy neighbor killed him in a week "because I want my daughter to be safe." Preemptive removal of potential child rapist.

    Note his daughter was 11. He saw him on the sex offender list and thought "kiddy fucker" immediately, not "rape" or "mild sexual harassment" (which can get you there too, with a little work).

  30. Sue, sue sue. by swschrad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sue, sue sue. Sue. this was malfeasance on the part of the IT folks who were supposed to have sanitized the laptop (most shops reimage them) and a kangaroo court in all respects.

    Sue the state for full re-employable reinstatement, back this and that, damage to reputation internationally, pain and suffering, cracks in the sidewalk, and anything else.

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  31. Re:..why Megan's law and "zero tolerance" is tyran by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I say castrate the pedophiles
    Just to clarify, do you mean the dictionary definition of pedophile, ie, an adult that likes to molest children, or the legal definition of pedophile, ie, someone who is 18 or greater and is unfortunate enough that their sexual partner is only 18 minus iota and/or someone who likes their 30 year old wife to wear pigtails and short skirts.

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  32. 40 sites per minute? by darkvizier · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why write malware, they could sell that!

  33. 'dd' is not the Linux counterpart to ghost by Burz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The 'partimage' program is. You could also check out 'g4l' which is the same idea.

    In any case where you have 80+ GB partitions that are mostly empty, which is most of the time, dd results in wait times (and space requirements on the destination) that are simply unacceptable and a huge waste IMO. The drives will also tend to become rather warm and stay that way for too long.

  34. Re:Not everybody is a slashdotter by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And we'll leave it at that.

    You've got to admit the OP has a point though.

    The guy in TFA got sacked for using Windows.

    You Evangelists always say it's so easy to use, but if Windows is so easy, how come this guy needs L337 skills just to avoid being labelled a child pornographer and losing his job?

    Next time anyone says "No one ever got sacked for buying Microsoft", I'm pointing to this guy.

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  35. I don't put it past the hackers to infect with CP by elucido · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It just seems immensly more likely that he got infected by malware from surfing porn sites, than getting infected by porn from having malware. If there are hackers evil enough to write viruses which literally destroy peoples hard drivers, I don't put it past this breed of hacker to write viruses to infect peoples computers with child porn.

    At this point, having child pornography on your computer is like being infected with a virus, only this virus is child porn. The only way to get it off is to basically reformat your drive. If you were smart your drive was encrypted and that reformat will be the end of it, and if you aren't so smart then there could be traces of child porn (invisible to the naked eye) which could still be on your machine.

    The point is, this guy probably deleted whatever child porn the malware sent to him. Thus it was invisible to the naked eye. Yet that doesn't change the fact that his computer still legally contained the 1s and 0s in a form which is still illegal.

    So while I do think there are pedophiles, I don't think this guy is one of them. And this is the sorta situation that our ridiculous child porn laws create.
  36. Maybe he deleted it. by elucido · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Maybe it was not visible to the naked eye because he deleted it. I don't know, but I can easily see a situation where some script kiddie creates a bot which trolls chatrooms and which sends random users child porn and then sends the feds after them.

    It probably would not take a lot of time to write such a bot, or to trick the typical horny middle aged male to accept a picture of what they think is an adult woman, only to find out later it's child porn. But whats he supposed to do? his computer has been infected.

    So now he has to reformat his entire computer. I can see this being the new WinNuke.

  37. WHY WOULD HE WANT HIS JOB BACK? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Would you?

  38. Re:Not thinking of the children by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think your sarcasm detector is off a little. The reason that 'Think of the children' is in quotes is because we all know that what it really means is pander for more votes.

  39. You're as bad as they are by samjam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're too lazy, just like they were, you want (yourself?) and others to act on someone elses information that you can't be bothered to confirm, and then have them harassed.

    Thats the kind of behaviour that gets (got) the wrong person and ruins their life.

    Sam

  40. Re:Legal "slam dunk"? by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Now looking at the legal side is what makes it really interesting. While the end user certainly has a defence, as the computer was infected and was a company/government controlled computer with security features and updates supposedly set and typically the end user has specifically limited (non-administrator) access and control, the network/computer administrator should now be investigated.

    For company/government controlled computers people should not forget that network/computer administrators can quite readily take over users computers and use them for what ever nefarious activities they want to and then blame the poor end user. In this case the administrator really and I mean really fucked up, I mean they found the child porn but missed the viruses et al, what, does the admin get such of kick looking for porn on there users computers that they forget to fulfil the security functions that they are actually paid for.

    While the end user is certainly in the clear, the admin is in real trouble as now somehow they have to prove their innocence as the actual administrator of the infected (by whom ?) computer. Also the admin should be subject to criminal negligence charges as they bore false witness against the user as the admin should have detected the viruses et al prior to bearing witness against the end user, so some really serious stuff and the end user and their lawyer can really go to town on them.

    So the real question for the future is, is it the end user's computer or the system administrator's computer, who has the greater control and hence who has the greater ownership? Running a far more secure OS like Linux will certainly do more to protect computer administrator's from future prosecutions, something to really think about.

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  41. Re:Not everybody is a slashdotter by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obviously the dept didn't value that man's reputation very much ("We stand by our decision" even after the court cleared him)
    Nor did they appear to factor all that in - the litigation costs.
    It sounds even more negligent given they passed that guy a non "clean" laptop in the first place.

    Anyway, often the problem is the downtime it takes to reimage the machine - esp if it's an old laptop and nobody has an "up to date" and pristine image.

    AFAIK normally nobody cares.

    Except in this case. I guess someone cared enough to start a witch hunt and this poor chap got the brunt of it.

    Someone screams "child porn" and suddenly it's like a mass shark frenzy with blood in the water.

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  42. Re:Legal "slam dunk"? by TheLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about stop going around being so trigger happy about sacking and prosecuting people for such "crimes"?

    How about actually following the money trail? Are the malware authors and people putting those images up really doing such stuff for free? Someone must be paying for those ads, the creation of child porn sites etc.

    There are more serious crimes than possession of some image file, especially an image file that is likely to be downloaded by malware.

    Lastly, Linux isn't going to help. The real problem is mass hysteria - lots of people suddenly turning their brains off when they hear a trigger phrase. Sure child porn is bad, but if you really want to fix it, follow the money to the bitter end. Not go around starting stupid witch hunts. The way they do things, I figure it's just a tool for cynical manipulation of a mindless populace.

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  43. Back to Salem? by Archtech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm seeing a fascinating parallel with the old-time witch trials. People who didn't know much about anything, but were filled with fear and confusion, were always happy to find a scapegoat. Nothing cheers you up as much as kicking the shit out of Bad People. If you can hang them, or burn them alive, that's a bonus.

    So these regular folks would notice that somebody (often a lonely old woman) acted a bit oddly. Instead of using a bit of imagination and charity to understand why, they leaped to the conclusion that she was consorting with the Devil. Just as some Native American tribes got their fun from torturing prisoners to death - life was DULL in those days - torturing and killing a witch just made their year. (Another possible parallel is that those who informed on "witches" often did a deal with the state whereby they split the victim's - often considerable - possessions between them).

    Nowadays it's not quite respectable to torture people or burn them alive (unless they're foreign Bad People). But these here pedophiles... we should string 'em all up.

    There seems to be a type of mentality that doesn't even want to understand how nasty pictures can wind up on someone's laptop, without the owner's knowledge or consent. It's just a great chance to get someone down and kick him, kick him, kick him...

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  44. danger will robinson by Quadraginta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe your dad is better at social engineering. He may not need to hack your computer to hack your head.

  45. Re:Legal "slam dunk"? by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about stop going around being so trigger happy about sacking and prosecuting people for such "crimes"? For the same reason for any zero tolerance policy. If you didn't fire somebody when something breaks, you'd be responsible for fixing it.

    When something bad happens, and you fire somebody you are, by the strictest interpretation of the words, "doing something about it." It might not be anything effective, but if you don't know what is effective, then "doing something" sounds a lot better than "doing nothing."

    Out of all the ineffective ways of of "doing something", firing somebody is the most attractive, because it localizes the blame in a person who is, or at least in short order will be, outside the organization. It is the solution that shifts the most blame. Since the person is outside the organization, he can't defend himself.

    Unless he lawyers up.
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  46. Re:Legal "slam dunk"? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    actually the answer is that the person fired needs to sue the hell out of the company and walk away with 10 years of salary.

    Smacking the company hard like that will discourage the abusive behavior by it's management.

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  47. The man was EXONERATED by Relayman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This story excerpt infuriates me. The story is about how the man has been exonerated of downloading child porn. The summary describes events that happened years ago; the story is the finding that he is innocent (and will probably receive several million dollars in damages from his former employer).

    The point here is that an innocent man has been through hell because IT screwed up and didn't set up SMS correctly so his computer had numerous security holes. The summary doesn't convey this, of course, resulting in the stupid (and, actually, offensive) comments from those who assume that he was guilty based on the summary. Folks, this is a real story about a real person, not something from xkcd. You should not be so quick to judge, especially when you didn't RTFA.

    The guy might be rotting the the slammer somewhere if it weren't for his wife who rounded up the competent resources to find out what really happened.

    I am infuriated because of the occasional poor summary posting that Slashdot seems to be proud of. If I see another story about an air-powered car again, I am going to puke and stop reading.

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  48. Now knows his former "friends" never really were - by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I hope to recover my reputation, but our friends all ran."

    Real friends wouldn't assume someone is guilty and shun someone - especially on evidence so flimsy.

    Real friends would try to assume someone was innocent.

    Real friends don't run like than. (If he was convicted in a fair trial that would be different).

    Bet if (when) he wins a multi-million dollar judgment his former "friends" will be back!!!

    "Oh, we hate perverts, we were just being careful, didn't want our kids hurt, or our reputation harmed, etc, I'm sure you understand, but since a court has ruled in your favor we know this must be the very rare exception where someone isn't guilty...

    Oh, and by the way, I need $80K for a downpayment, and you got $80M...."

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  49. Re:Not everybody is a slashdotter by dedazo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you hire on with a company as a lorry driver, and the brakes on your vehicle give way in the middle of taking a turn somewhere because of lack of maintenance, who are you going to blame? Yourself? You were hired on as a driver, not a mechanic. Or hey, let's use a closer analogy - if I hire you as a systems analyst and give you a Linux laptop with an unpatched version of SSH so that it gets r00ted after two days, who are you going to blame? Yourself? You were hired on as a systems analyst, not a system admin or a desktop support specialist.

    You "Evangelists" have the most amusing double standards and syncopated rationalizations.

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  50. Re:Legal "slam dunk"? by kesuki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Lastly, Linux isn't going to help"

    Linux would have helped, instead of having a sophisticated network system where you need a valid login/pass to get access to the updates for your computer system... all the updates needed come from trusted repositories, no password or login needed, oh and, if the end user isn't given permission to install software, instead of having a dumb script on the system that logs in to a server, there can be a central server that runs a script that logs in as the admin user on each system to force updates, without having to create a new login/pass every time a new user grabs a linux laptop.

    linux doesn't fix the dancing pigs problem, but by being a inherently secure platform, remote administration isn't a joke feature thrown in as a 'buzz' word to movie more copies and try to avoid loosing important corporate customers to more secure products.

    Linux would have solved All the problems this company ran into. As a matter of fact, i've run across compromised windows systems where even after a format with a DOD level file system erase were automatically reinfected by malware that had corrupted the bios of the motherboard. the only thing that worked, was switching those machines to linux, and reflashing the bios (because it kept having problems with stability until the bios was reflashed)

    and if you think, well security software must have caught up by now, the sad truth is that about 3% of malware and rootkits released in 2006 are Actually protected against by security suites. the problem is, the way windows lets any administrator process to re write almost any file instantly, and any file with a reboot.

    once the software infects, disinfecting a system is very hard, doing a complete wipe, and flash of all programmable chips (optical drive, the main bios, there are even viruses that can infect the memory of a HDD's internal controller, which isn't normally accessible to the end user) a lot of people just throw computers away when the malware comes back, after a format.

    windows really really pisses me off more and more everyday because of how the way windows was designed, despite decades of end user knowledge in developing secure UNIX systems for college campuses, all because windows was completely managed by greedy, profiteers who didn't care a whit about how things were designed as long as they were number one, and had no serious competitors.

    oh and hey, even if the guy was running linux, and it wasn't auto updating, since it was a desktop and not a server, it probably wouldn't have run any of the popular programs hackers who target linux target.