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AMD's New Card Supports Linux From the Get-Go

Michael writes "Back in September AMD had announced a new ATI Linux driver as well as opening up their GPU specifications, and today they have taken an additional step to better support the Linux OS. With the just-announced Radeon HD 4850 RV770 they have provided same-day Linux support, and the Linux driver is now shipping alongside the Windows driver on their product CDs. In addition, they are encouraging their AIB partners to showcase Tux on the product packaging as a sign of Linux support. Last but certainly not least, AMD is committed from top-to-bottom product support on Linux and they will be introducing high-end features in their Linux driver such as MultiGPU CrossFire technology. Phoronix has a run-down on AMD's evolutionary leap in Linux support along with information on the open-source support for the RV770 GPU."

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  1. Re:Demand? by spyder-implee · · Score: 2, Informative

    I will be getting one.

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  2. high-def features? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Informative

    will there REALLY be accel HD video support?

    hell, even on windows xp nvidia (piss be upon them) has not released accelerated video drivers for their year-old 8series cards!

    I was one of the suckers who bought an 8-series thinking the 'hardware accel' onboard would finally solve my HD playback tearing issues. nvidia is infamous for video stutter and tearing unless you use 'magical commercial' dvd playback programs. the regular free ones don't seem to have the magic and the magic is NOT in the xp driver, that's for sure. and there's no way in hell I'm going to convert to vista just to get their new driver support. so basically, I have a 'fast frame buffer' in the 8series card but there's a whole lot of hardware that is sitting idle due to their 'push' to vista and how they want to force the DRM of vista on people.

    ATI was worse; but maybe things have changed? I simply want to have glitch-free playback of HD sources on some kind of video card and NOT be locked into vista or commercial players.

    but for now, I've settled on the popcorn hour box. it Just Plain Works(tm), is fanless and does NOT care about which OS you use to serve networked files to it.

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  3. It's Already Working With Open-Source Driver Too by twljagflba · · Score: 5, Informative

    Phoronix already got the Radeon HD 4850 working with the open-source "Radeon" driver too: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12503

  4. Waiting for a supported TV card by bogaboga · · Score: 5, Informative
    While I applaud AMD with this development, I am still waiting for a [fully] supported TV card on the Linux platform. That is 100% supported.

    Hauppauge cards are supported to some extent but getting their remote controls to work is a pain in the butt, even on MythTV based distros!

    In fact, getting the remote control to work is more of an exercise in frustration than anything else.

  5. Re:i heart this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Until... The proprietary nvidia driver decided its automatic screen mode (res and refresh rate) was best, and ignored any attempt to add a modeline to xorg.conf. Known bug in the driver. Try setting the screen mode as root. sudo nvidia-settings in a terminal to start it as root.
  6. Ask and ye shall receive by XanC · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.pchdtv.com/

    Not sure about your troubles with remotes, but that doesn't have anything to do with the TV card.

  7. Re:Demand? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Informative

    Shared video memory harasses the memory bus and has a huge impact on general performance. Linear reads are nice, until every few cache lines you have to wait for a fresh row precharge and a card toying with a new chunk of video memory, then do another precharge and CAS to get back on track. Back to random memory reads.

    NUMA architecture-- Intel doesn't do it-- really, REALLY helps with this on all but one of the CPUs in the machine.

  8. Re:But is this open? by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yadda yadda yadda...
    Please stop playing the FOSS zealot if you don't know what your talking about.
    ATI HAS released the specs to their cards unlike nVidia. The new card already runs with the FOSS driver. The FOSS driver is improving daily.

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  9. Re:But is this open? by oddfox · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dude, the card already works with the open-source xf86-driver-ati thanks to the code-sharing and documentation provided by ATI. Pretty soon the R6xx series (The generation I've got) will have 3D hardware acceleration as the R5xx series has now. It's not perfect and complete support, but it's getting there and progress has been excellent. If you really want to support a company that's supporting Linux, you would buy an ATI (Or Intel?) card. NVidia sure as hell isn't talking about any F/OSS drivers.

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  10. Not a slacker when it comes to Windows either... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's worth noting that the 4850 is apparently quite the speed demon when it comes to Windows games too, and a very good choice at $199 (for reference, the GTX 260 and GTX 280 are the brand new $400/$649 nvidia cards).

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  11. Re:losing strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Name me one hardware vendor in the consumer sector of the market that has significantly increased market share and profits by developing for linux. Asus.
  12. Re:losing strategy by Xtravar · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's been said before that treating Linux users nicely has a cascading effect, since they are the people that Joe and Grandma ask for help when buying a new computer. So that number may not be HUGE but it's definitely not small, as I have probably caused NVIDIA many, many purchases by now. The ROI is probably pretty good, in fact, for the little they have to spend for Linux drivers.

    What I don't get are these crazies who say they're ready to jump ship to AMD/ATI already - over a BINARY driver. But that just goes to show that this "Linux initiative" is paying off.

    The first graphics card manufacturer to have open source, quality drivers is going to win big. My guess is NVIDIA is already prepared to release theirs, but they're waiting while AMD plays catch-up.

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  13. Re:linux games by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those are all ID titles. ID have always been very strong Linux supporters, way before Linux was even beginning to catch on, and have offered native ports of most of their products.

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  14. Arrrgh, Swedish chef destroyed my post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bork bork bork!

    Don't forget Savage, worth a mention as they've been supporting Linux for years. They're Indy too, no DRM bullshit, just good games.

  15. Re:But.... by Machtyn · · Score: 2, Informative

    On a 750MHz Duron, I would not use the latest nVidia drivers. And, IMO, the 6600 is being wasted on a slower system. I really hope you are not running any OS newer than Win2000, as WinXP is too "feature" laden to run decently on anything slower than a 1500MHz CPU. ... In my opinion.

  16. Re:Demand? by FamineMonk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Gamers is what he means. And yes a lot of Gamers dual boot if they want to use Linux.

  17. Re:It isn't just games by tor528 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any scripts in /etc/acpi/battery.d will run when the laptop is unplugged. You could create a script in this directory that kills compiz, and also create a script in /etc/acpi/ac.d to start compiz when you plug it in.

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  18. Re:linux games by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do you write to the game developers and let them know that you need support for Linux? Here are a few addresses to get you started:
    ArenaNet: http://www.arena.net/contact.php
    Ironclad Games: http://www.ironcladgames.com/contact.html
    Blizzard Entertainment: http://us.blizzard.com/support/webform-us.xml?gameId=0
    Firzxis: http://www.firaxis.com/support/
    Electronic Arts: http://www.info.ea.com/company/company_prlist.php

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  19. Re:It might help their Windows drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not a secret at all. The problem is this. Distributing a software or hardware implementation requires paying a royalty for using the patents. It's (part of) the reason for off-shore sites like Debian-multimedia.

    What I don't know is why the patents would prevent them from releasing their driver code. If the decoder is implemented in hardware there shouldn't be much code for it in the driver. Honestly, I would expect most of the licensed IP would be on the hardware side of things. But then again I don't make graphics cards, so I really don't know.

  20. Re:linux games by Jasonjk74 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ID appears to be done with Linux: John Carmack not as interested in Linux (and OpenGL)

  21. Re:I think they're jumping the gun. by sowth · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is not too soon. I'm guessing you haven't tried the Nvidia driver on linux, because compared to what I have experienced, the ATI bugs you listed don't sound very bad. I had to turn off all the features and I am afraid to try anything which may be out of the ordinary on my Nvidia machine because it risks constant crashes. My machine with intel graphics may not allow mplayer to play in the root window, but at least it doesn't completely crash the system hard.

    Running a linux system with the proprietary Nvidia drivers reminds me of my days "having fun" with Win98. Right now, I am migrating from that Nvidia system to one with an i810 chipset, partly because the driver issues really piss me off. If ATI cards start coming with open source drivers which support 2d/video and 3d well enough, I will probably buy one even if I am on a tight budget at the time.

  22. Re:If you really care about open source by this+great+guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    AMD also gave a lot of help to initially port the Linux kernel to AMD64 processors (they kind of coordinated the whole thing via www.x86-64.org), and they continue to be an important contributor to the Linux kernel (I see many patches related to chipset drivers, SATA, etc). The also contribute to OpenSolaris, OpenJDK, KVM (NPT support, Vista / XP 64-bit bugfixes, etc). AFAIK most of these open source contributions are made by AMD employees from the OSRC (Operating System Research Center) group.

  23. Re:JUST OPEN THE WHOLE THING ! by strikethree · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ummm... they did open it all up. These chips are incredibly complex and it will take more than a year for the open source folks to write complete drivers utilizing all of the features the chips offer.

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