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US House Approves Over $300 Million For Science Agencies

Posted by Soulskill on from the all-about-the-benjamins dept.

sciencehabit notes that the US House of Representatives has allotted an additional $337.5 million in budget increases divided amongst four science agencies. NASA, the National Science Foundation, and the Department of Energy's Office of Science will each receive an additional $62.5 million, and the National Institutes of Health will receive $150 million. The money will help to offset the decision to reduce budget increases earlier this year. Early plans for the money include the training of new math and science teachers, and another reprieve for FermiLab's financial troubles.

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  1. Math and Science teachers? by sokoban · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shouldn't that be the Department of Education's concern?

    As far as I can tell, the problem with math and science teachers is that almost all of them can make more money in another profession. Teaching is crappy pay when you consider all that a science or math major has to go through to get their degree.

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    1. Re:Math and Science teachers? by REJOSU · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I won't post with the audacity to state such an incredible stereotype, but...

      In America, the quality of math and science teachers is decreasing overall because of this fact. Why take a job paying such a pittance when you could take a potential lab or research job that would pay more?

      This leaves us with the students who were the worst in their studies teaching. Obviously this isn't true of all teachers, it does however, seem to be a trend that is developing.

      I have friends who in college had aspirations to become doctors and engineers, however after they couldn't cut it, changed their majors to education.

      Two are biology teachers, one is a chemistry teacher, and the four are social studies of some variety or another.

    2. Re:Math and Science teachers? by jim_deane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why take a job paying such a pittance when you could take a potential lab or research job that would pay more? I have both bachelor's and master's degrees in physics, and toward the end of my master's degree I decided to go into teaching.

      I had other options, and I have since had other offers for higher pay, but there are tangible benefits to teaching for someone who genuinely loves the subject or loves learning.

      1. You continue to study and increase mastery of the fundamental concepts in your discipline.
      2. Developing courses and course materials is a rigorous academic exercise.
      3. You are encouraged to continue to study and take coursework of interest to you.
      4. You have the opportunity to interact with others from your discipline and other disciplines at all academic levels.
      5. Teaching, as a profession, allows for some independent decision-making and self-guidance at a level not usually found in research positions unless you are a principal investigator.
      6. Aside from coursework, you have two to three months during the summer to do research, write, collaborate with others, work, travel, or pursue other intellectual endeavors.

      If money is your only concern, then obviously education is not a good career choice. However, teachers are not (as a rule) starving, and the pay is sufficient in most areas to maintain a decent lower middle-class lifestyle.

  2. Re:$300 million sounds impressive by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, when you consider that the DOD unclassified budget is around $408 Billion, appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan are another ~$170 Billion and DOD classified projects are another ~$35 Billion.... in comparison, $300 Million is a *tiny* drop in the bucket. But $300 million might help some labs to avoid closing down...

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  3. Re:$300 million sounds impressive by joocemann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, when you consider that the DOD unclassified budget is around $408 Billion, appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan are another ~$170 Billion and DOD classified projects are another ~$35 Billion.... in comparison, $300 Million is a *tiny* drop in the bucket. But $300 million might help some labs to avoid closing down...

    I think the results would be *AMAZING* to see if the opposite were true. Imagine even one year of spending where $800 billion goes to sciences and technology, and $300m goes to the DoD. Think about that... Think long and hard about what could change, what huge serious things we could actually accomplish when we focus on something other than war.

    Yes, its hard to imagine not killing others for some reason or another; we can do it. Seriously think about just chilling back and watching huge amounts of your cash go somewhere productive.

  4. And forcing creationism with the other hand... by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the US government gave a rats ass about Science they'd crush creationism once and for all. It seems like a hypocritical gesture to dole out hundreds of millions of dollars for science R&D and allowing creationism to be taught in science classes. Which is effectively sabotaging the next generation of scientists. Teach the controversy and all that crap. Isn't the expanding earth theory a viable alternative to gravity? Crystals work better for treating cancer than Chemo Therapy, sin causes Aids. It's all valid when you don't think about it.

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    1. Re:And forcing creationism with the other hand... by horatiocain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well you can't really attest to anything before you were born.

      If that's the case, I guess we can throw away the fields of history, astronomy, geology, and so on. Hardly; we have plenty of evidence that the world existed long before any one of us. That evidence (stuff like documents, fossils, etc) is what makes it science. If tomorrow we find evidence that suggests that dinosaurs wrote the constitution, historians and biologists alike will be wrestling each other to be the firsts to document that and turn our knowledge base upside down. And that right there is the difference - science is based on facts, not faith.
  5. Re:$300 million sounds impressive by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The big problem with the WWII analogy is that we are now the other side. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because they needed oil. The difference is they were trying to break up the oil embargo we imposed on them, whereas Iraq was not imposing an oil embargo on us. And obviously Japan didn't invade Texas and take the oil to "repay" Japan for the cost of the invasion. So, yeah, the problem is political. You can't win when there are is no reason to be there and no criteria for victory, and your losses are already more than you could possibly gain.