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Atari Tries To Supress Bad Reviews, Claims Piracy

im_thatoneguy sends in an account up at Shacknews about Atari's actions to get early reviews of its upcoming game Alone In the Dark pulled from Web sites in Europe. Atari sued the German site 4Players, alleging piracy, and also cancelled an advertising deal on the site, after a pre-release review gave the game only 68%. 4Players posted a commentary (translation) alleging that Atari is doing this bcause the review is unfavorable. Shacknews reports that Atari has also demanded that both Gamer.no and GameReactor remove early reviews — both reviews gave the game a score of 3/10. Kotaku editorializes: "[Does Atari] fear that, because these outlets may have received copies of the game 'early' (i.e. from pirated copies), that they're somehow reviewing incomplete code, which could affect their opinion of the game? Maybe. Pessimists could, however, be forgiven for thinking it's a convenient excuse for Atari to attack negative reviews of the only game they're releasing in 2008 that has any chance of making them some money."

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  1. Hmm.... by ArIck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they have improved the game from the earlier 'privacy' version then i am sure all these sites would be willing to re-consider their reviews based on the new game play.

    What Atari fears is that the earlier review was the 'final' version of the game and these reviews may harm purchase from people who may accidentally buy the game thinking it to be better than it is.

    1. Re:Hmm.... by topham · · Score: 2, Insightful


      If the reviews are based on a pirated copy of the game, and the released versions game play is different then Atari has every right in the world to not only sue these guys, but put them out of business.

    2. Re:Hmm.... by ArIck · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I am only replying to AC since I might be drunk but still here goes...

      You are missing my point.... the gameplay of both versions would be the same regardless of the DRM. I am commenting on the game itself and not any other stuff. Its life saying the pirated version has a .bat file for installer whreras the real version has a setup.exe file

    3. Re:Hmm.... by IAmAI · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A review is an opinion and attempting to remove such reviews would be censorship. If they want to sue them for copyright infringement, fine because there are laws against that. However, if Atari were successful in getting the reviews removed would be, in my mind, unjust.

    4. Re:Hmm.... by schon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Atari has every right in the world to not only sue these guys, but put them out of business Yes, because god forbid anyone should have the right to freedom of speech, right?
    5. Re:Hmm.... by phoenixwade · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What a pathetic joke. Why should anyone take the reviews of a site that is obviously willing to break the law to do what it wants. I can't believe there are actually people defending the review site. "Oh, this is only cause they said it sucked".


      God I love Slashdot's fluid moral code.

      Break the LAW how, pray tell?

      The same article that reported the take down request / suit, reported the copy reviewed as a legal distribution copy designed for reviews. I don't see any indication where the site was obviously willing to break the law.

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    6. Re:Hmm.... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "a legal distribution copy designed for reviews" - wait, so you're saying a copy designated as being for review came from Atari, and then Atari sued them for using it, saying it was pirated? That's gonna be a funny lawsuit. "Your Honor, we'd like to introduce Exhibit 1, a waybill from FedEx for a copy of the game being delivered from Atari Marketing"...

      Yeah.

    7. Re:Hmm.... by slawo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pathetic you are. Have you never bought a product before its release date?
      There is no reason to release a review when no "non disclosure agreement" was signed.
      The suit is just a move to remove bad reviews before the official date and to get the origin of the retailer who leaked the game.

      Also you might be an international law expert and will be able to argue that, but I don't think buying a product before release date is a crime in any country in Europe. Neither is posting reviews of a product.

      Also just to make sure anyone remembers, Atari is an evil French company.

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    8. Re:Hmm.... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Don't you just LOVE the translated text "What comes next? 4P bangs frogs in office ignite? Wives of editors with footballs bewerfen?" What are those scummy Atari people threatening to do to those poor editors wives with them soccer balls?


      But seriously if they did manage to get their hands on a boxed version prior to release I don't see how they can scream. It also might be a good test to show their true motives if someone set up a fake review praising the game and pointed out to Atari that they did the same thing. I'd bet Atari wouldn't say a word. Do they really think that this kind of crap is going to help in ANY way? Have they never heard of the Streisand effect? Now the story has been slahdotted and I'm sure it'll spread to most of the tech and gamer sites so instead of being able to sneak their bowel churner past the gate now everyone will know that it sucks. A really stupid move by the legal department at Atari IMHO. If they wanted to get the review changed they should have wined them and dined them and bought a bunch of ads. Instead the just stirred up the hornets nest. But that is my 02c,YMMV

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    9. Re:Hmm.... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Man, how much must the final suck, then?

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    10. Re:Hmm.... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because people maybe don't give a fsck where they got the copy from, as long as they keep them from dropping some hard earned cash on crappy games?

      If gamers care where they got the copy from, it's at best wondering how a review page got a game a few weeks earlier when the review is outstandingly good despite the game being mediocre at best...

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    11. Re:Hmm.... by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? It was my impression that a review was one group's opinion of a game. A review can be as simple as "the game sucked. It wouldn't run on my PC. 0 / 10" Without real slander, what would be the basis of a suit?

      Now in the grand scheme of things, they should be sure to review final code. But even if they don't, what would be the legal basis for a suit?

    12. Re:Hmm.... by spoco2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I love how you've gone off the handle without checking out the facts.

      As many here have said, the sites in question say they got the games completely legally.

      Why would you believe the company who stands to lose sales by bad reviews over the website which stands to lose a lot of money over using a pirate version (and not gain much by using one)?

      Way to look into the issue before becoming indignant.

    13. Re:Hmm.... by Cruciform · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since when is buying a retail copy before the street date illegal?
      It might be a violation of the agreement between the publisher and retailers, but it has no bearing on the consumer whatsoever.

    14. Re:Hmm.... by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt a good that's held back because of contracts counts as stolen. It's breach of contract but not theft.

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    15. Re:Hmm.... by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I RTFA too(I know,but I got bored.) and from what I understood,while the German press got a prerelease copy,many of the others got theirs from Atari themselves who are now saying "that by accepting this you agree not to publish anything but good reviews before X date." I don't see how this would hold up in court in either case. It seems like they could go after the retailer,but not the magazine which is doing an honest commentary and what they were sold by the retailer. And I certainly don't see how the ones that were given it by Atari themselves could be shut down.


      Sadly,in all likelihood most of them will just do whatever Atari wants to simply keep there from being any bad blood. I noticed in TFA that most had taken the reviews down almost immediately after receiving the threat. Either way the Streisand and slashdot effect on the story should mean that they are pretty much screwed as far as sales. I know that I would have probably picked it up in the bargain bin just because of the name Alone in the Dark,but after seeing this asshatery I wouldn't give them a dollar for it. But that is my 02c,YMMV

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  2. "all publicity is good publicity"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... once again. Before I read this I didn't know about "Alone in the Dark". I guess their strategy worked

  3. Re:Hard to say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > but none of the sites mentioned recieved official review copies of Alone In The Dark, which means they're all pirated

    You lie.

    And your logic is super fail.

  4. Re:Hard to say. by HybridJeff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or some store simply sold it too them before the official release date.

  5. Nah. by eddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Surely The Wither was released in 2007? Though we're still waiting for the 'enhanced edition'

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  6. It's gonna backfire by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Now, no matter good the game really is, the game and Atari have been stigmatized.

    What a bone-headed thing to do. Like the other thread a bit earlier about google-bombing McCain, trying to suppress information rarely works, and often backfires.

  7. Re:DRM by Mascot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Granted, I don't approve of online activation of this type at all. But that really is exceedingly ridiculous.

    And, hilariously, the only way those sites managed to review the game early, was because Atari turned on the activation servers. Way to use that DRM you paid good money for to prevent early leaks, Atari.

  8. Re:68% is unfavourable? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, so I wasn't the only one wondering.

    Back in the days (the good ol' ones, a few of you might remember if Alzheimer didn't get you yet) there were basically five categories for games.

    The 90-100 games which were absolutely awesome. That's a grade a handpicked few got. Getting a 91 already meant that you made it. You created a game that will be remembered a decade from now. Every year, about 20 or so games got to this lofty realm of divinity.

    Then there were the 60-90 games. They were good. Really good! The kind that's worth its money. If you were at least halfway into the genre, you had to have them.

    Then there was that area of about 40-60. They were ... well, half baked, usually. Quite ok, but nothing to write home about. If you're into the genre really badly and if that really was your thing, you could buy them, but it was anything but a must-have.

    After that it got rather ugly. 20-40 was reserved for games that were quite bad. Even if you're into the genre, you might want to wait until it's in the bargain bin. And even then, you might want to avoid them lest you start to hate what you used to love.

    And then there was the rest, the kind of games you don't even want to hear about, where paying you to play them would have been an insult because of the time wasted. 0-20. Usually, about 1-2 games per magazine got that review, just to show that yes, there ARE games this bad and companies DO actually try to sell them. They were more a comic relief than a review, usually, and the writers also got quite creative describing them. Often, those reviews were more interesting and witty than a lot of the "average" ones.

    This all changed somewhere between the 80s and today. Today, the reviews are usually in the 90-100 range if the game is at least halfway playable and grants you more than an hour of fun. Go to your average review page and check for yourself. How many games hit that formerly so lofty grounds? 20? 30? Of the 50 reviewed?

    A review of 70 is already bad. A review of 60 a disaster. Anything lower than that probably mean that it won't even install without an error.

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  9. "all publicity is good publicity"? NO IT'S NOT! by jamrock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know who said that originally, but it's a load of horseshit. Let's say you were a struggling actor trying to get your name out there, then you were falsely accused of child molestation. Let's say that you were then completely exonerated, received damages, public apology etc. Would you then say that you got a lot of free publicity, therefore it's good? And make no mistake, it's not free. You'd pay for it for a long, long time. Your career is still finished, because you're radioactive as far as the industry is concerned. The general public are morons willing to believe the worst about people, and as far as they're concerned, the mere fact that the accusation was brought is enough for them. It doesn't help that there are publicity whores like Nancy Grace convicting people on CNN. Sure you heard about Alone in the Dark when you might not have before, but how do you think most people will feel about Atari as a company now, regardless of the facts? I don't know the facts of the case, but I do know that even if Atari are vindicated, they've already lost in the court of public opinion. Their PR people have a huge headache to deal with right now.

  10. Troll Alert by jamrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How nice. More gems from the troll:

    Why should anyone take the reviews of a site that is obviously willing to break the law to do what it wants. I can't believe there are actually people defending the review site.
    Hoo boy. Right now it's Atari's word against that of the various sites. No facts have been established, but it's "obvious" to you that the sites are willing to "break the law."

    wait, so you're saying a copy designated as being for review came from Atari, and then Atari sued them for using it, saying it was pirated?
    Let me get this straight: in you first post you rendered judgement that the sites were "obviously willing to break the law", then in your second post you're asking what happened? I don't know about where you come from, but in this universe the usual order of inquiry is to find out what happened, then come to a conclusion. What's obvious to me from your second comment is that you haven't even read the fucking articles , but you're more than willing to call this entire discussion "a pathetic joke", and bitch about "Slashdot's fluid moral code". Don't tell me that you just read the summary and made up your mind that the sites are guilty of piracy. Great. Fucking Miss Cleo is back trolling Slashdot. The pathetic joke is that your neck-farts were modded "Insightful".
  11. Re:Just take it by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    His mod is incredibly well done. It's the only single-player mod I've ever played through twice.

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  12. Re:I hate reviews these days... by DrXym · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Also Kojima Productions put a sensor on reviews, but I think that was just to get rid of spoilers.

    They also censored reviews from mentioning the mandatory installs. Not just one, but one per act and they take a while to install. While MGS4 is an epic game, and well worth the purchase, it is frankly weird it has a mandatory install and clearly someone in Konami was paranoid enough to make early reviewers sign NDAs about it amongst other things.

    I do believe PS3 games do get picked on but frankly I would prefer this to be the norm across the board. I want to know the good and the bad points about a game, not some gushing PR piece. I am disgusted by the attempts to bribe reviewers or coerce them to give favourable reviews by imposing conditions on exclusives. I've played GTA IV and think its a great game, but some of the "exclusive" reviews were so unbelievably uncritical and gushing that they might as well have been written by Rockstar's PR department. The game is great in many ways but it has faults and reviews that fail to mention them are doing their readers a massive disservice.

    Hype and shill reviews are poison to gaming. I understand why studios do it (to sell more games), but gamers should be disgusted by the practice. The sad thing is hype works. All we can hope for is a few more incidents like this get published. People really need to be far more skeptical and cynical to understand how the industry works. At the end of the day it's better for everyone if a little honesty gets pushed back into the system.