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Bell Canada Ordered To Justify Traffic-Shaping Practices
somecanuckchick writes "The Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) has ordered Bell Canada to justify its traffic-shaping practices. The Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission on Thursday told the company it has until June 23 to make public data that was marked confidential in a May 29 filing. Bell had said it needed to keep quiet the information, which details the level of internet traffic and possible congestion on its network, for competitive reasons."
Will Rogers be next? Cogeco?
I'm guessing that means "if our customers find out the crap we're pulling then they'll go to the competition".
Either that or that competitors will realise exactly how much it's possible to dupe their customers into acxcepting as "just the way it is" before anyone gets upset.
Is the implication here that, if they disclose how they are shaping their traffic, competitors will somehow seize that information and offer better service as a result? I don't think Bell Canada's customers are just chomping at the bit to get more traffic shaping on their lines, and I don't think they'd be any happier about it with a competitor, even if the prices were lower.
About the only logical application I can see of "competitive reasons" would be, "Oh no! Now our customers know we actually *were* screwing them hard, and now they're leaving for our competitors in droves!"
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The Bell Telephone Company of Canada is a very liberal (meaning "associated with the liberal party of Canada", who is not currently in power, but has managed to thoroughly infiltrate and subvert the federal State apparatus, up to and including the Supreme Court of Canada) company.
As such, it just has won a case before the Supreme Court of Canada, despite that Bell's case flies in the fact of Canadian law and jurisprudence.
The CRTC board is also throroughly liberal.
So it will not be suprising that the CRTC will eventually rules in favour of Bell, and it will probably because it will face pressure from liberals.
Almost everyone I know that isn't a geek cares about one thing when it comes to the Internet: speed. But the non-geeks don't understand that speed is not about how fast things download always, but sometimes about how fast things appear. It's the bandwidth versus latency issue.
I've come to discover in my 21 years of being "online" that even with geeks, low latency is more important than high speed most of the time. I ran a large multinode BBS, and the most important reason for having a faster modem was not to download files quicker. It was so that the site would appear quicker: the message forums, the BBS doors (online games), the chat area, etc.
Today, when I see people complain about the speed of their Internet, it's always a latency issue. Maybe some spyware swapped DNS servers, maybe they're using an antiquated dial-up; whatever the case, latency is more important to the vast majority of users than bandwidth. This is why traffic shaping is so important, and also why keeping it private is also important. The moment that the few geeks who demand maximum bandwidth find a way around traffic shaping, those who demand low latency will suffer. For the huge majority of Internet users, if their downloads are 200kbps or 2000kbps, they don't care. While they're downloading, they're surfing, and they want that web site to pop up on the screen instantly or quicker.
We have to look at the real problem here: the lack of competition. Even if there are two or three competitors in a market, there is still room for more. When you realize that the lack fo competition is due to the stifling of local, state and Federal government regulations, you'll find the true culprit for what ails you: too many regulations preventing competition from bringing to the market what you want at a price you're willing to pay. Get rid of government strangeholds and the Internet will blossom further. This article tells me things will get worse as those who promise to protect you will only find new ways to collect their paychecks in the form of political contributions.
Bell doesn't want anyone to know just how much money they've been siphoning off that should have been spent on infrastructure upgrades to avoid the current congestion in the first place.
Ok, now tell me of an ISP that doesn't either packet-shape, throttle or anything else for a cheap connection, that is fast. Oh and it needs to be in rural areas where right now only AT&T, Comcast and Time Warner are now. If you find one, then I will switch. Until then, the ISPs have a virtual monopoly where I live.
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"Everybody else is doing it!"
You are exactly right, and I've written about this problem in North America before. We, as consumers, have reason to believe that truth in advertising is how things are supposed to be. If the cable/telco companies had to include the warnings that drug manufacturers do, the fine print on a broadband contract would grow by several pages. Then we'd invoke clear/simple advertising laws.
The only reason that they can claim competitive reasons for not revealing information is because they are at capacity. They are selling consumers contracts that they can't possibly provide service on.
To my knowledge, not one ISP has physically demonstrated the need for shaping, nor shown in actual use how it works for them. File sharers do not use all the bandwidth they purchased and even if they did, they paid for it.
I don't know how many more court cases it will take, but someone needs to hold their feet to the fire about what they sell, and what they provide, and the dichotomy that creates. Bait and switch laws, lemon laws, and the ideology behind them should apply here. Either you are selling 3Mbit/s or you are selling a Maximum of 3Mbit/s with the following 4 pages of restrictions on protocols, application usage, time of day/week restrictions, and outright bans on some protocols/applications.
The courts need to clear that up.
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The excuse to not release it for "competitive" reasons is laughable.
A) The ONLY competition that exists is the OTHER mega telecommunications conglomerate Rogers Communictions/Shaw/Cogeco/Etc... Who also use the exact same practices.
B) ALL the other independent ISPs it was pointed out sometime ago, use either Bell's or Rogers's lines, and thus are traffic shaping also if they know it or not.
C) The only reason they don't want to release is this isn't mainstream news yet. Your average Joe doesn't know what the heck traffic shaping is. However when journalists start looking it up to report on it, thats a lot more negative press, and frankly people are getting pretty sick and tired of the communication duopoly. They might also remind people about reports of bandwidth capping, or that how they hardly ever really provide the speed that they advertise. They lie, cheat, steal, annoy, mismanage, and impose fictional means and limited options to ensure profit. Heck you ever wonder why Bell Canada doesn't offer Dry DSL? Gee could it be because they are a PHONE company, and you don't need a active phone line to use it. Its all about selling packages, and convergence. I think it is time Canada took a SERIOUS look at our telecommunications situation, and what is being done around the world. If we want to be competitive into the future, leaving it in the hands of these asshats probably isn't a very good idea.
While I am at it, a hearty "Here Here!" to the CRTC who are doing their job as oversight of the industry. I only hope they follow through with Rogers Communications as well, and when it is all out in the open they actual make some sort of decision with teeth.
Quit pissing about. The #1 question is are these companies working in Canadians best interest? If the answer is no, then something MUST be done about it.
For all your radical capitalists out there that will immediately point out that these are publicly traded companies, and that they ultimately report to the shareholders. I will preemptively smash your argument saying in this case their is a 3 way conflict in that 1) the infrastructure is subsidized by tax dollars, 2) is a government regulated industry, and 3) today telecommunication s are vital and important role of any country's security and growth.
So let's end this confidentiality and pass legislation to force all Canadian isp's to provide the full set of specs. It seems to me that just like buying other equipment or services. The specifications should be displayed and cannot be misrepresented. Just like buying a TV or other elctronic device I want to see the specs so I may make an informed choice. There is no myterious technology here. It is just like any other consumer device.
I want Full Disclosure. I want to see exactly what my purchase is capable of and what I will recieve right on the label, so to speak. I want it just like any other product legislation in Canada. Why are only the internet providers allowed to pull this type of scam? Car company's are not allowed to misrepresent the engine displacement, nor can stereo amplifier companies misrepresent peak or continuous power output or even try to confuse the consumer. They must state what they are selling truthfully and according to standard measurement methods. If they tried to pull this type of scam, they would be paying huge fines.
The consumers should at least have the information available and choose to read it or not. Just like other product labelling in this country. If people don't want to think or let their friend pick for them, then fine, But get it out there for all to see.
Bullshit. They've been granted the right to use public property to lay their infrastructure. Do any of these companies actually own all of the land that their lines are buried in? Therefore, the people have every right to place restrictions on how they can provide service.
The "Free Market" argument doesn't apply here. Bell has been subsidized by the government for the better part of a century, and given guaranteed monopolies in various areas (not to mention the fact that their lines are on public land). Bell does not operate in a free market, and never has.
On top of that, the "Free Market" doesn't work when the consumer is lied to and deliberately misled (there is nothing about traffic shaping in Bell's TOS, or in their contracts with the resellers).
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sort of problem?
Because I see a couple of problems with competition:
1) Competition, to function properly, requires that consumers be basically pretty well informed. If I start talking to say, my mother or my girlfriend's parents about shaping and throttling and ping times, well, I might as well just be making up words that as far as they knew, I just made up. Competition falls apart with uninformed consumers.
2) "The market for lemons" argument. There's a wikipedia for it, or just google for it, but basically it's the argument that, if a customer cannot tell the difference between a quality product and crappy product in advance of buying it, then the crap will drive out the good stuff.
3) The idea of a natural monopoly. I don't think it necessarily makes sense for us to have 2 or 3 or 10 players in the marketplace for internet services, any more than it would make sense for me to have 2 or 3 sets of pipes for water and sewer coming into my house so that I can decide, day by day, whether to use water supplier A vs B, based on prices and service and quality.
Some things simply _are_ a natural monopoly, and though it seems like heresy these days, competition will simply make situations like that dramatically _less_ efficient, not more.
Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong here. Anybody got an example that would do that?
The plural form of "anecdote" is "anecdotes", not "evidence".