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Drug Reverses Retardation In Mice

snydeq writes "Rapamycin, a medication doctors prescribe to transplant patients to prevent organ rejection, has been used to reverse learning disorders and mild retardation associated with TSC (tuberous sclerosis complex) in mice. Because the condition is linked to autism, scientists believe the drug may be used to treat learning disabilities and short-term memory deficits in all kinds of autism as well. The scientists chose rapamycin after they realized the drug regulates one of the same proteins that the TSC gene does, just in different parts of the body. 'What was surprising is that we could give rapamycin to adult mice and reverse their condition,' said neurobiologist Alcino Silva of the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. 'We did not know ... that this drug would be equally effective for the learning disabilities as it is for tissue rejection.' Rapamycin treatment leveled the playing field between normal and TSC mice in as little as three days."

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  1. flowers for algernon by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    make sure it doesn't wear off after a little while

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    1. Re:flowers for algernon by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      It turns them into Nickel Metal Hydride? Hmm, that makes a fully mouse operated home generator/backup system more feasible when you can use the brainy mice as batteries while their slightly moronic brethren run around on wheels all day.

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    2. Re:flowers for algernon by jeffasselin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seriously. I read that book 15 years ago and it still stands out in my mind how sad the degradation is. It is one of my worst nightmare to eventually lose my reasoning capacities.

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    3. Re:flowers for algernon by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously. I read that book 15 years ago and it still stands out in my mind how sad the degradation is. It is one of my worst nightmare to eventually lose my reasoning capacities.

      LOL! ME 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    4. Re:flowers for algernon by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

      As funny as this?

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    5. Re:flowers for algernon by monopole · · Score: 3, Funny

      We could then jack them into a "matrix" of batteries while feeding them a VR version of reality. That is until the NEO mouse evolves.

  2. Cool! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great!!! Now how can we get this drug out to 80% of the population quickly enough?

    1. Re:Cool! by lena_10326 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great!!! Now how can we get this drug out to 80% of the population quickly enough?

      Your estimate is high. Only 50.7% require it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_US_presidential_election

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    2. Re:Cool! by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your estimate is high. Only 50.7% require it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_US_presidential_election


      Uhm, wrong. Both parties consist mostly of criminals (lobbying = corruption, even if by the book it is legal). And both parties vote against public good. The populicrats just prefer the copyright mafia, robbing taxpayers and so on.

      The few honest politicians can be found in both parties.

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    3. Re:Cool! by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sadly, it won't work. Although you were joking, I uncharacteristically jumped straight to TFA on this one, as my oldest daughter's IQ measures at 65. That's about five points lower than Forest Gump, if I remember the movie correctly.

      Sadly, this treatment only fights Darwin. TFA says

      Scientists used rapamycin--a medication doctors prescribe to patients who have had transplants to prevent their bodies from rejecting the new organs--to treat learning disorders associated with a disease called tuberous sclerosis complex (TSC) in mice. TSC is a rare genetic disorder that causes brain tumors, seizures, learning disabilities, skin lesions and kidney tumors in the 50,000 Americans and one million people worldwide who have the disease.

      A million people might not seem rare, but consider that there are six billion people on the planet. From a link from TFA:

      What is Tuberous Sclerosis?

      Tuberous sclerosis (TSC) is a rare genetic disease that causes benign tumors to grow in the brain and on other vital organs such as the kidneys, heart, eyes, lungs, and skin. It commonly affects the central nervous system. In addition to the benign tumors that frequently occur in TSC, other common symptoms include seizures, mental retardation, behavior problems, and skin abnormalities. TSC may be present at birth, but signs of the disorder can be subtle and full symptoms may take some time to develop. Three types of brain tumors are associated with TSC: cortical tubers, which generally form on the surface of the brain; subependymal nodules, which form in the walls of the ventricles (the fluid-filled cavities of the brain); and giant-cell astrocytomas, a type of tumor that can block the flow of fluids within the brain.

      Most mental retardation is caused by injury.

      A bit offtopic, but the US public school system, bad as it is for average (IQ 100) kids, it fails miserably for both "special" and "gifted" students; my youngest's IQ is 131 and she wound up dropping out (later getting her GED and now manages a GameStop store at age 21) while the oldest graduated high school an got her diploma but lives on SSI disability.

      The US public school system is badly broken.

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    4. Re:Cool! by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great!!! Now how can we get this drug out to 80% of the population quickly enough?

      Put it in expensive bottled water.

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    5. Re:Cool! by Neeperando · · Score: 5, Funny
      Maybe we can use that to our advantage. We should have nominated a puppy for president instead of Obama.

      Press: What's your plan to make health care affordable for all Americans?

      Candidate Puppy (chews on tennis ball, chases tail): Woof!

      Voters: Awwwwww!

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  3. Every Rose Has Its Thorn by MaliciousSmurf · · Score: 4, Informative

    "There are, however, the expected side effects from a drug that suppresses the immune system: impaired wound healing, infections, mouth sores and, in rare instances, skin cancer." (and every cowboy sings a sad sad song.)

  4. Finally a cure by gijoel · · Score: 5, Funny

    NARF!!!!!

  5. Jack Thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Jack needs to be volunteered to be the first human test subject. If it can cure him, it'll cure anyone.

  6. $1k per month by Dougmeister · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Rapamycin costs about $1,000 per month" For the rest of your life. Wow. I guess that's still a price that someone would be willing to pay if it would benefit them.

    1. Re:$1k per month by east+coast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1K to turn someone into a productive member of society and lead a meaningful life? It's a bargain. We're paying more than that to keep rapists alive in jails. Not to mention that as technology moves on it will either cost less or new drug will take it's place being either more effective or less expensive.

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    2. Re:$1k per month by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cost for custodial care of a moderately to severely impaired autistic adult is an order of magnitude higher. Not to mention the very guilty feeling one endures for choosing to put someone into custodial care.

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  7. Autism Affects 1 in 160 Children in the US by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having studied the autistic spectrum to some degree, this provides hope for only a few of the range of autistic symptoms. To learn more, check out Autism Speaks.

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  8. Science has to be stopped. by grub · · Score: 3, Funny


    If they cure autism, what am I supposed to do to find postal codes if Billy the office cleanup boy is cured? Look them up online?

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  9. Cod Liver Oil by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Make sure you get plenty of Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids while you're growing up (good source = cod liver oil), and you can avoid many mental problems in the first place

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  10. Re:Retarded mice by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do they know which mice are retarded or not? Give them the cheese test?

    They see if the mice RTFA and actually understand it.

    My daughter's cat is pretty damned dumb, it moves its lips when it reads.

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  11. As a parent of an Autistic... by BobMcD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...let me say that any hope is a good hope. This condition is a far, far greater burden than you probably realize, and to date most of medical science is still groping in the dark.

    My son's neurologist actually prescribed an anti-psychotic to a three-year-old boy. One that, by the way, had NEVER been tested on children and was not FDA approved for that purpose.

    There are some voodoo-science options as well. Some work all the time for certain cases, while others do not work at all. Gluten-free/Casen-free diet, Omega3's, Anti-Fungals etc, etc, etc. If you take information like this to a practicing MD they are quite likely to either roll their eyes our laugh outright. Still, there are those that swear by them.

    This is where we presently sit.

    Imagine having a young man, totally dependent on you, who is struggling not only to fit in, but to avoid punishment for perfectly natural behaviors. Now imagine the feeling when the realization sets in that you simply will not ever be able to 'fix' him, no matter how much parenting you may apply. In fact, try though you do, at the end of the day it feels like no one has helped him at all.

    Any hope is a good hope.

    1. Re:As a parent of an Autistic... by aproposofwhat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Any hope is a good hope.

      Amen to that - I'm looking forward to taking my severely autistic stepson out to the Brooklands Double Twelve this Sunday, and will be taking the utmost pleasure from seeing him enjoy himself among all the old racing cars.

      The behavioural problems we can cope with, but he's physically handicapped as well, so in residential care.

      But every Sunday, come rain or shine, it's Josh's day.

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  12. It's not that bad! by timster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been taking this drug for years. I'll tell ya, having three or four mouth sores at all times helps you lose weight! And when you can't come to work for a month because of a raging... common cold, your idiot boss totally understands!

    Sigh... luckily, these days, I'm on a lower dosage (and with a different boss).

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  13. Should Mod to Funny... by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your estimate is high. Only 50.7% require it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_US_presidential_election [wikipedia.org]

    I'm a Republican, a Bush and now McCain supporter, and have more troll points on slashdot to prove my right wing cred, and I don't find this offensive at all. Come on people, lighten up. This was -funny-. If I would have been first to the joke, I would have made the same crack going the other way. The more seriously we take our political affiliations, the more we are trapped into the political parties that really don't represent us!

    After all, can't we say: "Christ, Bush is such a great oil man, that he goes and invades the world's largest untapped source of oil, and now gas is $5 / gallon."

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  14. By November for the US? by svendsen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can we get this drug to the majority of the US voters before November please?

  15. Does it work in smaller doses? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many would you have to take before you can correctly pronounce "nuclear"? Because I can think of at least one really important person who needs to learn that already.

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  16. Oh, Please by encoderer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look at you. Sitting there, presumably in full control of your faculties, able to socialize, to date, to start and raise a family, to use your time as you wish, to banter back and forth on websites, or read a book, to build a career and take pride in your accomplishments, to further your education and expand your horizons.

    Do you even KNOW anybody who suffers from any of these mild-to-mid-grade mental deficiencies? And I don't mean know OF, I mean KNOW and care for?

    If you did, you'd see very clearly the tragedy that is a person who much of the time seems completely healthy and normal.

    Wouldn't it be GREAT if pharma would give these things away for free? Sure. But this world today is not perfect. And you can't expect just a single industry to "disarm" and go socialized. Even if it WOULD benefit us all.

    There's a test you can apply here: When a pharma company spends $1bn researching a drug that ends-up a flop, should we as taxpayers refund that cash to them? If the answer is "no," then you can't begrudge them for taking profits where they can.

    And as much as I hate paying $4 for gas, I could say the same about oil: I don't know about you, but 8, 9 years ago when gas was $0.85/gallon, I never decided to pay $1.50 just to help out. Oil companies collapsed and consolodated when Oil was $20/barrel and now, I can't begrudge them for taking profits where they can.

    Remember, nearly all of us are shareholders in these companies, whether directly, thru a 401k, thru a pension, thru a union, thru your local government which often invests a portion of its cash-on-hand, etc.

    So the drug costs $1k. That's the reality of it. To suggest that being a "slave to the pharma industry" is as bad as being a prisoner of your own reduced faculties shows an abject lack of understanding, not to mention, a serious empathy deficit.

    1. Re:Oh, Please by InDi0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a test you can apply here: When a pharma company spends $1bn researching a drug that ends-up a flop, should we as taxpayers refund that cash to them? If the answer is "no," then you can't begrudge them for taking profits where they can.

      You have, in fact, paid for that $1bn of "failed" research. You have paid it by tax money, and you have paid it by buying viagra,anti-depressants or any "lifestyle" drug for that matter. You have paid it because your government is protecting the patents of big farma, everyday, everywhere in the planet.

      Yet you still don't "get" it, and you sympathize for the money "lost" in research. Exploratory Research into new drugs can never "fail". Its exploratory, and the benefits may or may not come.

      A cure for those you love wont come from private companies, unless you tend to love people in the market segments that managers tend to love.

    2. Re:Oh, Please by InDi0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Changing the way society performs economic relations is not something five people can gather and do. It takes a deep social change to do experiments like the one you propose.

      I'm not a naysayer of the drug. I 'm a naysayer of the process. And of the people that say "Oh will please think of billion-dollar-rich-cigar-holding-government-overthrowing Pharma CEOs?"

      Don't argue with me about. Just ponder at the fact that deseases like malaria kill millions, while Pharma is fighting poor erections. If you think that makes sense, or that this is the only way society can work, you are too pessimistic.

  17. Wake me up when... by j.sanchez1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wake me up when they find a cure for severe retardedness. I'll buy enough for everyone at the office.

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  18. sadly too late .. by shadowmas · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... for president bush to be of use i think.

  19. And as an adult who is Autistic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "As a parent of an Autistic... who has a young man ... who is struggling not only to fit in, but to avoid punishment for perfectly natural behaviours." ... and "Any hope is a good hope "

    And as an adult who is Autistic, I've come to realize that we don't need to fit in. Some people will accept us the way we are and some people will not. I see no reason to have to change my behaviour to conform to the expectations of the ones who don't want to accept me the way I am. I see no reason to be insecure about who I am, simply as I fail to live up to the expectations of the ones who want me to behave a certain way.

    Being different isn't wrong, even though you may have heard differently.

    But what I find utterly fascinating is what you find when you ask the question, why do some people want others to fit into a certain behaviour?

    The key to understanding this question is to first learn to understand the extreme form of why some people want others to conform to a certain behaviour. Then it provides a way to see the more common, but less extreme desires of some people to get others to conform.

    The extreme form of this behaviour is the result of a personality disorder categorised as cluster B disorders. (Specifically HPD and NPD forms). Personality disorders are actually very common in society. (For example, its estimated that over 70% of people in prison have a cluster B disorder).

    In the case of HPD, they seek attention. (Its often due to lack of parental attention during childhood resulting in an on going fear and insecurity about the need for attention. (we are still pack animals, so when someone lacks the attention of their nearest family during childhood, they end up seeking the protection of the wider pack. Our society being that wider pack. So the safest place in any pack, is to be at the centre of attention in the pack. That's why they instinctively seek attention).

    When someone is relentlessly driven to seek more attention, they will often react defensively to anyone else gaining attention. They don't want others to get attention. So as autistics naturally behave differently and so naturally appear different (and so get attention by being different), this triggers a defensive reaction from the insecure attention seekers, who put down and mock anyone who gains attention over them. (Its why the whole concept of the nerd is mocked). The insecure attention seekers also achieve the goal of gaining more attention, by being the one doing the mocking put downs and insults. (Its a double win for them).

    The huge irony is that its the insecure attention seekers who have the problem. (In the case of the other forms of cluster B disorders, they often combine the HPD need for attention with other insecurities such as, fear of being seen as a coward, or fear of being seen as stupid, or fear of their unresolved sexual orientation, etc.. ... "fear" being the key word). The other forms of cluster B can be ruthlessly harmful towards others, yet they are the ones who are driven by their inner fears and insecurities. These people are not the kind of people who should be allowed to define what and how others should be seen and accepted within society. The sooner everyone learns to recognised the cluster B disorders (for their own protection from them), then the sooner the world will change, very much for the better. (Unfortunately as the cluster B disorders seek attention, they then naturally seek to define what's accepted in the media, as they seek to be in the media and so in the spotlight of attention, and so its how we have got into this unfortunate situation currently).

    As you are a parent of an Autistic, you need to learn to slightly change how you have been taught to perceive Autism. (Taught that is, by some people in society). Autistics have an intense desire to learn. They may focus on very narrow subjects and pursue it with a never ending intensity, that others cannot understand. But that doesn't actually make their intellige