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Solar Power From Home Curtains
kaliann writes "With the push for more sustainable energy, easy DIY kits for alternative energy sources are likely to become quite popular in the coming years. We may see some big improvements in our ability to 'green up' if these photovoltaic curtains become widely available."
they only produce power when the curtains are closed.
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Does the carpet match the drapes?
With the push for more sustainable energy, easy DIY kits for alternative energy sources are likely to become quite popular in the coming years.
Two words. Doubt it. There are all kinds of ways to save money, but most people don't do them. To put it into a computer perspective, how many people do you know upgrade RAM? Out of that many how many do them themselves? How many people upgrade a CPU? How many people salvage CD-ROM drives from old computers? How many save old cases and build computers in them? Very few I would think. Same thing with these, they are a way to save money, but for most people they will just complain about high oil prices, try to get a raise, petition for an increase in minimum wage, repeat. These will be about as popular as running BSD on your toaster. You can do it, it might be cool, but most people don't see the need.
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Summer months in the Desert: Closing drapes helps keep heat out, solar technology helps to power the Air Conditioner.
Non-summer months everywhere else: Close the curtains to power the lights that you need because the curtains are closed.
Actually, RMIT (a tertiary institution here in Australia) recently announced that one of their new buildings will be solar-powered thanks to the glass on the buildings. From the article: blah blah blah "with an outer skin of 16,000 sand blasted glass cells, some of which will be photovoltaic solar power collectors to help shade and power the building."
The killer app for renewable energy will be to get the cost down.
Once it makes economic sense for me to go green, I will, but in the mean time much as I want to save the planet and everything I have bills to pay :-(
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Now I just have to block out the sun to get light in my room.
If only there was an easier way...
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I have to admit, solar shutters make more sense.
This wouldn't be bad as a DIY project for a sun-facing wall that gets too much light, though. Or a porch, to power the porch lights (like a solar lantern, but bigger).
Obviously not the solution for everyone. I, for one, have a tree to the south, which would likely displease the new solar curtain overlords.
What would be a cool application for solar fabric is a canopy (say, for an outdoor market). That could provide shade while powering lights or electronics (like cash machines) in the stalls. Or self-lighting party tents.
I know we're at a point where solar is looking like a good investment. Still... Isn't it easier for a solar contractor to just make large solar power plants to supplement the grid than worrying about the specifics of installing home to home?
I'm all for the day when I can offset my electricity bills a small amount because I have my house decked out in solar material... I'd rather just have cheaper electricity though especially in the near future. Plugin, hybrid cars are going to start sucking on the power grid. If we don't add more solar or nuclear plants to the grid, we could see an electric shortage in the form of higher prices for one.
Oh and I'm still bummed about the study the government is doing to make sure solar is environmentally friendly. I mean, isn't the waste output from coal plants harmful to the environment? If we had the option to cut that waste back, aren't we helping the environment?
Anyway, the future looks bright to me. The US economy is holding even though it has taken some hits. If we can just get to a new era in surplus solar energy, we can get into some really interesting solutions to getting off oil. Some people think it will be hydrogen. Some people think it will be electric cars. I'm not sure which is going to take off in the long run. I think it is going to be hybrids that make the most initial impact because they don't have the limitations of the electric car's maximum range. For electric cars to have a long range, gas stations will have to be refitted with a tool to swap out battery arrays. Hydrogen faces a similar challenge in that it'd need special fill up stations too. Plug in hybrids work off traditional gas stations.
I like Nanosolar's approach because it is so high tech and also economically feasable. Still low tech solar options such as parabolic mirrors to focus sunlight and run steam turbines could be good at first. I think we have a lot of unused land on Earth, and the faster we can cover it, the faster we can have surplus energy. Surplus energy makes transportation costs go down so you can travel all that you want even if you're poor. And even more interesting is that surplus energy lowers the cost of transporting food, so impoverished people can be supplied better. Oh yeah, and surplus energy also means that everything is cheaper so people have more disposable income which incidentally, also helps poor people.
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Unless they post the watts/hr it can produce under normal conditions. Its like seeing a car in a car lot without a price on it... You just keep on rollin. Seeing this 'form of energy coolness' seems worthless without some type of qualitative evidence. I want to see the watts/curtain/hr.
As with seemingly everything, it's already been done.
Unisolar has been making these shingles for years. Maybe others are too now. I don't know much about them, just read about em online.
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Actually I think they will save more power with the curtains open than closed.
I'm shooting from the hip here but looking at the picture I expect there's a serious flaw here. The Curtains look black so they are absorbing a lot of light energy. We know they are highly inefficient. So they mainly heat your house.
SO in summer time you will pay more in cooling costs than you gain in electricity. Either that or be warmer. Logically you want the drapes outside where they would be amiently cooled.
Now if you draw the blinds and thus it gets darker and you need to turn on a light well. So much for any gains.
Finally most houses are designed to have their windows shaded more or have an oblique incidence in summer time. Thus during the time of maximum sun, and warmth you get the least electricity.
In winter time when the solar flux is less and there will be fewer hours of daylight the direction of incidence will be better. But chances are you'd like the light.
The drapes have no thermal mass so they act like the worst kind of traum wall where they heat up and cool down quickly. No thermal damping.
Seems like archecturally this is a bad idea from the get go regardless of how the solar fabric technology improves. Maybe in northern canada or something it makes sense.
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Nasch already took care of some of your illogical arguments... but you've made other assumptions that are just plain wrong or at best outdated.
20% efficiency on a solar panel is not uncommon. In fact, you can buy 28% efficient solar panels (as long as you don't live in the US *grumble*). Over their lifetime, of course that rate is going to fall, but it will still remain a bit above 20%.
Given time, that efficiency is only going to improve. Both of these factors right there shoot your 600M^2 theory to shit.
Using you and your family as an example, your average 1.4KW usage could be dramatically reduced without impacting your quality of life in an appreciable manner. I know this is so because I've done it myself. It takes some will power and awareness of what power you are actually using, but it can be done fairly painlessly. You can start by replacing your incandescent bulbs with CFL or better yet with LEDs. One of the largest single power draw in a home is from all the light bulbs. Reducing that can cut your monthly average quite a bit.
You need to turn off stuff you aren't using. Putting things into standby is not turning them off... in fact, many appliances and electronic gadgets don't even HAVE an off switch, they go into standby. So that means you have to unplug them. That's a pain in the ass. However, a simple solution to this is to plug everything you use for a particular activity into a power strip... when you're done, turn the power strip off. This overcomes the leeching power used by wall-warts, as well as gadgets and electronics that go into standby mode. Yes, you may have to wait a few seconds longer for something to power up, but it's not a huge deal.
Another big energy saver is to replace your windows. If you have contractor grade windows in your house, you are leaking energy like a sieve. Replacing your windows with high quality double or triple paned, krypton filled windows with insulated frames will save you a TON of money and energy for cooling and heating.
Do you have an ancient refrigerator? If so, it's probably drawing 2 to 3 times the amount of energy a modern refrigerator uses (or more if it's REALLY old). Might be worth it to replace it.
Do you leave your computer on at night? Turn it off, or at least put it in standby. My system, at idle, draws about 600w, when it's in standby it drops to about 30w. That's a HUGE savings on a month or yearly basis. If you're on Slashdot, chances are you've got multiple computers - I think you see where that's going. If you're using an old computer as a Linux router or something we are all fond of doing - stop. Old computers are incredible power hogs. A cheap wireless router that you can load new firmware onto will suck a fraction of the power, produce a fraction of the heat and noise. It's nice to think you're recycling your computers, but it's costing you more than they are worth in power per year, for sure.
There's lots of things you can do to reduce your power consumption. You can take your 1.4kw to 800kw fairly easily I suspect. That almost halves your 600M^2, coupled with the fact that you can buy efficient PV panels, now you only need about 200M^2. The average house has that much roof space that's likely suitable.
Even if you don't, as long as you are offsetting some of your power needs, it goes a long way to helping bring about a more energy efficient future.
Is it going to be uncomfortable? Probably a bit, but not cripplingly so, and once the "new" way sets in, it will seem silly that we didn't do it a long time ago.
Study some heat transfer principles. Depending on their reflectivity, these curtains may cause the roof to absorb MORE heat than the roofing does.
Ideally, solar installations for home use will not transfer heat directly into the house. A curtain laying directly on the roofing surface will absorb some light and create some electricity. However, light and heat that is not reflected will absorb and the greater part will transfer through to the house a large amount of heat. A smaller portion will radiate from the house.
Solar panels are typicaly elevated above the house. The air gap allows the panels to be cooled by airflow.
The actual news here is that they can create solar fabric. I'm sure they can design a roofing system that will use the material to generate electricity while the system maintains an air and water seal and reflectivity of the largest part of the sun's energy.
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