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New Map IDs the Core of the Human Brain

gerald626 writes "An international team of researchers has created the first complete high-resolution map of how millions of neural fibers in the human cerebral cortex — the outer layer of the brain responsible for higher-level thinking — connect and communicate. Their groundbreaking work identified a single network core, or hub, that may be key to the workings of both hemispheres of the brain. So basically our brain is a network connected to a hub. I wonder if I can get an upgrade to a GigE switch?"

186 comments

  1. If I was from Control by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I'd welcome our new intelligent overlords!

    1. Re:If I was from Control by CAIMLAS · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought Control was located somewhat further south.

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    2. Re:If I was from Control by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      So where did this meme/troll come from? It seemed to pop up overnight.

    3. Re:If I was from Control by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Overnight being the last 14 years.

      It comes from
      Deep Space Homer, an episode of the simpsons that first aired on February 24, 1994.

      Spoiler:
      When in space Homer flies into the Ant colony, breaking it open sending Ants everywhere. The ants make it onto the camera. Since the ants are so close to the camera, they appear very large. Kent Brockman (the Simpsons news anchor) then says "And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords".

      The more you know(tm)

    4. Re:If I was from Control by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1, Funny

      I haven't seen it in the past year+ I've been here...

    5. Re:If I was from Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full quote:

      "Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we've just lost the picture, but what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has apparently been taken over -- 'conquered' if you will -- by a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth men or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here. And I for one welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves."

      Anonymous to not karma whore.

    6. Re:If I was from Control by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I meant the "If I was from Control" part.

    7. Re:If I was from Control by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...and you probably graduated first in your class only to become the friendless office psychopath. Ya know, the one guy who's the reason why the employees are no longer allowed to play music or have eye-contact with each other.

      Pull the stick out of your ass and learn to take a fucking joke.

    8. Re:If I was from Control by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen it in the past year+ I've been here...

      I assure you it's been used quite a bit. The following query turns up 855 hits on google:

      http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aslashdot.org+welcome+our+new+overlords

    9. Re:If I was from Control by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      What was the joke, exactly?

    10. Re:If I was from Control by spathi-wa · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's from the movie Get Smart

    11. Re:If I was from Control by Trogre · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Hail Ants!

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    12. Re:If I was from Control by n3tcat · · Score: 1

      Well I for one praise our new neck-and-shoulders overlords.

    13. Re:If I was from Control by Hunter-Killer · · Score: 2, Informative

      The influx of "If I was from Control" posts is CDMA_Demo's effort to single-handedly kickstart a new meme:
      http://slashdot.org/~CDMA_Demo

    14. Re:If I was from Control by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      You've got the wrong altitude, man!

      :-)

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    15. Re:If I was from Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get smart

    16. Re:If I was from Control by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      the stomach?

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    17. Re:If I was from Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BOY, IT SURE IS SUMMER IN HERE.

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like

    18. Re:If I was from Control by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

      Beavis: (clutching heart) My liver! My liver!
      Butt-Head: Uhhh.... lower down, dude.
      Beavis: (clutching nads) My liver! My liver!

    19. Re:If I was from Control by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kickstart? If I was from Control it'd have already become a meme.

    20. Re:If I was from Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "If I was from Control it'd have already become a meme"

      You're not funny. Worse yet, your so pathetic and worthless that you troll a web board and look for references to you in order to artificially promote something that also isn't funny, or clever, or worth reading.

      In Soviet Russia, they execute morons like you.

    21. Re:If I was from Control by Schlage · · Score: 1

      Why did parent get modded redundant? I don't think anyone else actually provided information that the "from control" reference was from Get Smart. If anything this should be informative, since I thought it was possible that it was referencing the control from Get Smart but I wasn't entirely sure.

    22. Re:If I was from Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the alert. Now I know how to spend some -1's, next time I have modpoints.

    23. Re:If I was from Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most /. memes are acceptable because they are GEEKY (hot grits, Natalie Portman petrifying you in soviet Russia whilst welcoming our old Korean Beowulf cluster overlords). Some random thing from a stupid movie, on the other hand, is not a good meme. And its continual spamming makes me feel like I'm on a xChan, and not /., and this is NOT a good feeling.

      Post anonymous to hide the fact that I really AM a misanthropic troglodyte completely lacking a sense of humor.

    24. Re:If I was from Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you please go to Fark/SA/4Chan instead of here for your brief slice of internet popularity?

      I thought that this "Control" jabber was a multi-prong attack (which made it pathetic, but legit), but to see it is one person trying desperately, makes his very own meme based on some Hollywood summer-blockbuster crap, just makes this whole thing rather sad.

      Do you actually have anything of content to post?

      I didn't think so.

    25. Re:If I was from Control by ScreamingCactus · · Score: 1

      I haven't see it either... but now I know where the "I, for one" comments come from!

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    26. Re:If I was from Control by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      The thing I always found funniest about that scene was how quickly the little picture in the corner changed to match Kent's shifting allegiances,

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  2. hub? by JazzyMusicMan · · Score: 5, Funny
    I always thought the geek brain was based on token ring topology with the different nodes responsible for:
    • eat
    • sleep
    • video games
    • pr0n

    all running round robin =)

    1. Re:hub? by Tarison · · Score: 4, Funny

      I initially misread that as tolkien ring, and I still agreed.

    2. Re:hub? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      ...with beaconing that kicks in whenever work decides to intrude on things.

      /P

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    3. Re:hub? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      So instead of one ring to rule them all, would it be one token?

    4. Re:hub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought the geek brain was based on token ring topology with the different nodes responsible for:

      • eat
      • sleep
      • video games
      • pr0n

      all running round robin =)

      Actually

      eat

      pr0n

      sleep

      pr0n

      video games

      pr0n

      Anytime you can combined any two activities improves efficiency.

    5. Re:hub? by Samah · · Score: 2, Funny

      Token ring? But that means we don't get Terminators! How will we rid the world of Skynet now???
      D:

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    6. Re:hub? by Zymergy · · Score: 1

      Great, now I hear a voice in my head yelling "My Preciouses!..., My Preciouses!"
      ... But wait... that works too... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=preciouses LOL

    7. Re:hub? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more like the Monty Python spam sketch, except with pr0n instead of spam. Particularly the vikings in the back chanting pr0n pr0n pr0n while everything else goes on seems appropriate.

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    8. Re:hub? by ivucica · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not Tolkien ring, it's Token ring.

    9. Re:hub? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. That means a migraine might just be a beaconing condition.

    10. Re:hub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, the token rign topology can be implemented on a hubbed brain.

    11. Re:hub? by xonar · · Score: 1

      Great, now I hear a voice in my head yelling "My Preciouses!..., My Preciouses!" ... But wait... that works too... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=preciouses LOL

      Woah

  3. Google Brain by Dyne09 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on, you know it's coming.

    1. Re:Google Brain by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      mine won't work with it cuz it doesn't have the wireless capabilities needed ;)

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    2. Re:Google Brain by Tangamandapiano · · Score: 1

      Maybe they want to rename it to Googlevac when it happens...

    3. Re:Google Brain by StarfishOne · · Score: 1

      You forgot to add 'Beta' to that name. ;)

    4. Re:Google Brain by rootpassbird · · Score: 1

      +1, fungle!

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  4. Who needs an IQ score... by halsver · · Score: 1

    ... I measure intelligence as total bandwidth capacity over my neural-net!

    I run reality at 120mb/sec! Neener-neener, dial-up head!

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    1. Re:Who needs an IQ score... by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      I run reality at 120mb/sec!

      120 millibits per second? That's... 8.3 seconds to transmit a single on/off state. You're probably not getting the best possible experience there.

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    2. Re:Who needs an IQ score... by Thiez · · Score: 4, Funny

      GP started typing that post a few weeks ago.

    3. Re:Who needs an IQ score... by SirCowMan · · Score: 1

      Co-relatedly, I have a paperback from the 70's (it's called "Computers".. and is blue). The introduction quotes the processing speed of our brain at 3mhz. Zip-zip-zip! Of course, for so complex a measure, I'd want to know methodology before accepting this value.

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  5. Opening doors to bigger discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this will be instrumental as a tool for other research such as getting a much finer grain understanding of which part of the brain is responsible for which prosess. There are still so many things we don't understand about the brain. I hope they cooperate with other researchers who would use this as a preprocessing step to their work.

    1. Re:Opening doors to bigger discoveries by dlanod · · Score: 1

      Similarly, I was under the impression that the brain is a fairly dynamic thing in that neural connections vary from person to person, and even in a single person's brain over time. This sounds like they've managed to map a single brain, which may provide some information but presumably not as much as a generic map.

    2. Re:Opening doors to bigger discoveries by shmlco · · Score: 2, Informative

      From TFA: "The study examined the brains of FIVE human participants who were imaged using both fMRI and DSI techniques..."

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    3. Re:Opening doors to bigger discoveries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They found five humans with brains????

  6. We knew that already. by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their groundbreaking work identified a single network core, or hub, that may be key to the workings of both hemispheres of the brain.

    ...pfft! The male gender of the species' "hub" is connected by a pair of some really long leads... they go down the spine, and connect directly to the testicles.

    The female of the species' "hub" goes straight to the left ring finger.

    How much friggin' tax money did these guys spend discovering what we've already known for at least six millennia now?

    /P

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    1. Re:We knew that already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The female hub is connected to an alarm clock attached to her ovaries. It's set to go off around age 35.

    2. Re:We knew that already. by William+Robinson · · Score: 5, Funny

      Their groundbreaking work identified a single network core, or hub, that may be key to the workings of both hemispheres of the brain.

      ...pfft! The male gender of the species' "hub" is connected by a pair of some really long leads... they go down the spine, and connect directly to the testicles.

      The female of the species' "hub" goes straight to the left ring finger.

      /P

      Absolutely. And one needs to insert Gateway to establish a VPN.

      It's different story that females PKI mechanism is still unknown, and male species have to rely on brute force techniques to decipher some of the data, which unfortunately takes years after VPN is established.

    3. Re:We knew that already. by bagsc · · Score: 1

      The female ring finger locus is actually a quite recent evolutionary phenomenon. The "tradition" of a diamond wedding ring was started by DeBeers in the 1930's.

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    4. Re:We knew that already. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, wedding and engagement rings go back for over 500 years, although back then, even the wedding ring was just for the woman. The idea of the diamond as the "standard" jewel for an engagement ring was created by the DeBeers campaign, though.

    5. Re:We knew that already. by maxume · · Score: 1

      I wonder how romantic women would really think it was if they accepted that they whole thing started as a deposit on a hoo-hah.

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  7. So if our brains are like a hub... by Jailbrekr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are schitzophrenics equipped with a neural equivalent of a dlink hub?

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    1. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm schizophrenic, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to make lame jokes about schizophrenia, at least get the spelling right. Google is only a click or two away.

    3. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm schizophrenic, you insensitive clod!

      Me too! (looks around) Who said that?!

    4. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by Johnno74 · · Score: 1

      I'm schizophrenic, you insensitive clod!

      Thats nothing. Both of us are schizophrenic!

      (yes I know, I'm going to burn for that, thats not really what schizophrenia is, yada yada.)

    5. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by JamesP · · Score: 1

      No, actually, the problem is in the cards... 100% realtek

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    6. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Close. It's a Belkin. Dlink causes manic depression.

    7. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by x2A · · Score: 1

      No you're not, there's no fire or hell, it's all in your head, but you're unable to tell.

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    8. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he meant burn karma? Seriously, calm the fuck down.

    9. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by x2A · · Score: 1

      ...joke's too subtle for you!

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    10. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by hoodrat1140 · · Score: 1

      sorry, but schizophrenia is absolutely no fun material!

    11. Re:So if our brains are like a hub... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are schitzophrenics equipped with a neural equivalent of a dlink hub?

      Out of own experience: No. Somehow the impression is more like it is a M$ Vista'ish hub.

  8. Now to find out what it does. by geckipede · · Score: 3, Funny

    So we've found a candidate for the centre of consciousness in the brain. Who's up to volunteer to have it removed to see if they turn into a philosophical zombie?

    1. Re:Now to find out what it does. by Hao+Wu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Imagine fitting your kids with filters and "plug-ins" to make sure they turn out a certain way... there will be modules for "Kindness".... or "Pride" (no matter whether it is earned- your child will always feel proud).

      "Christian" filters... "Jihad" algorithms.... Conservative and Liberal perception devices.... Behavioral controls, perhaps used as terms of parole (for violent criminals OR political prisoners).

      Why have disagreeable children when you can program perfectly behaved clones of yourself?

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    2. Re:Now to find out what it does. by Mia'cova · · Score: 1

      Who said a clone would be agreeable? :) But I say we let people make clones and made-to-order children if they want. To me, that's our next big step in our evolution. Although, it would be much nicer if we developed the ability to change ourselves and evolve without needing a thousand generations of crappy offspring first :) It'd be like changing your resolution. If it turns out badly, just revert back and try something else.

    3. Re:Now to find out what it does. by Chemisor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Imagine fitting your kids with filters and "plug-ins" to make sure they turn out a certain way.

      We already do. It's called "parenting". You do it by talking to them, and yes, it does work if you do it properly.

    4. Re:Now to find out what it does. by ciaohound · · Score: 1

      and, of course, a kill switch

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    5. Re:Now to find out what it does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I resisted my parents, and would not want to be the person they attempted to raise me as. We have totally different values, despite their hard efforts to instill me with their political and philisophical views.

      You think they should have a right to override this somehow, by directly invading my brain?

    6. Re:Now to find out what it does. by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Who's up to volunteer to have it removed to see if they turn into a philosophical zombie?

      As I understand the concept, you wouldn't be able to tell. The philosophical zombie is a creature which acts just as if it were conscious - it even holds sensible conversations - but which is in fact not conscious.

      So, you walk up to a zombie and ask 'Are you a zombie?' It answers, 'No, of course not: I'm a conscious human being.' And however cleverly you interrogate it, you cannot distinguish it from a human being.

      This is why for practical purposes we can't really do much better than the Turing test.

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    7. Re:Now to find out what it does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of people who apparently are born without it. Use one of them.

    8. Re:Now to find out what it does. by ENIGMAwastaken · · Score: 1

      The problem is, a 'philosophical zombie' is defined as a being who acts exactly like a normal human, but has no conscious experience.

      So if you ask a zombie "Are you a zombie?" it should respond just like a normal human would: "No! I'm a perfectly functioning normal human, can't you see that?"

      And of course, since it's a zombie, it's wrong. It's 'lying'. So even if you could "turn off" the center for consciousness (doubtful; consciousness is likely distributed, the result of the brain's functioning, not the brain's functioning with a consciousness center tacked on. To quote Douglas Hofstadter "Consciousness is not a power moon-roof.") you'd have *no way of knowing* that you turned off the center of consciousness. Weird, huh?

    9. Re:Now to find out what it does. by Shark · · Score: 1

      But your current generation/incarnation at the time might not agree that it is crappy and needs to go back to the drawing board.

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    10. Re:Now to find out what it does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I understand the concept, you wouldn't be able to tell. The philosophical zombie is a creature which acts just as if it were conscious - it even holds sensible conversations - but which is in fact not conscious.

      That's an easy one. Everyone's a philosophical zombie. Except me. Why else do I see out my eyes and not yours?

  9. Not a switch. by BobandMax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You would not want a switch. Isolating all but broadcast packets to just their destination would stifle creativity. It has to be a hub and bandwidth in a highly-interconnected net may be unimportant.

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    1. Re:Not a switch. by AngryLlama · · Score: 0

      Sure, in that case you are just better off with a bus right?

    2. Re:Not a switch. by neomunk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what you said, but I'd like to add something about bandwidth. It's a function of data per time period, and I'd think that having a higher interconnection speed could very well lead to a quickening of thought process, ONLY if the underlying signal PROCESSING nodes can keep up, and since AFAIK that's a more complicated chemical process it would seem to me that it would be difficult to adjust it. 'Uppers' can make your thought process faster, but I have no idea about what mechanisms determine the upper limits of what speed (in the pharmaceutical sense) can do. Interesting thought though, and I think I might wiki that tomorrow.

    3. Re:Not a switch. by mattwarden · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm trying to figure out what you mean by this, but I'm not sure I have it. If you meant the hub metaphor the whole way, then no that isn't how it works. If all messages went to all destinations, you can imagine how difficult it would be to make any sense of them. Further, when an area receives input, it is not a stateless message. It is received in a state of "sensitivity" (for lack of a more detailed explanation) and the fact that it is received in its state also alters the local state for future messages. The easiest example is sensory desensitization... like when you no longer smell that horrible smell once you've been in the sysadmin's office for a few minutes. The same destinations are getting the same inputs, but the local state has changed due to previous inputs and therefore there is a different result.

      So you can see that if all destinations got all inputs the brain would basically "white out" and be useless. The fact is that there is a very specific network structure. Each local network has projections into other local networks, which is why emotions and different sensory modalities have impacts on each other and on other "unrelated" areas of the brain.

    4. Re:Not a switch. by FeldOfBuzztown · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, the brain is analog. Caffeine increases bandwidth. Beer decreases bandwidth while purging a few nodes. Seriously, though, the situation you describe (brain whiting out and becoming useless) is not too bad a description for epilepsy and seizure disorders, where a grand mal also involves interference followed by GIGO.

    5. Re:Not a switch. by x2A · · Score: 1

      In my experience, amphetamines don't so much speed up the thought process, but change the ability to control focus (some people it improves focus, others it does the oposite). In computer terms, it may seem like I'm running a faster processor, but actually I'm disconnecting other running threads, freeing the memory bandwidth they'd be using to be usable by my primary thread (the task at hand).

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    6. Re:Not a switch. by x2A · · Score: 1

      Thankfully, the brain is analog

      No it's not... there's just so many bits that it appears so. But each receptor site of each neuron is either triggered (gate opened allowing ions to flow in, changing neuron potential) or not (gate closed). The neuron's either reached the potential it needs or it hasn't; it either fires or it doesn't. It's all still ones and zeroes.

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    7. Re:Not a switch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the brain supports multicast. That would explain synesthesia and other cross-sensory disorders - incorrect group membership - and it would also explain some aspects of autism (inability to set up source-specific inputs is why autistic people suffer sensory overload very easily).

      Not only is it not a hub, this segment cannot be what in IT is called a layer 2 switch. In order to support multicast, it has to know about layer 4 and support the brain's group membership protocols. In short, it's a very powerful router.

    8. Re:Not a switch. by FeldOfBuzztown · · Score: 1

      Good catch, slip-of-the-keyboard. Meant "organic", influenced pharmacologically (caffeine, beer).

    9. Re:Not a switch. by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      FYI alcohol doesn't really kill brain cells (unless you were to pour the alcohol directly on the brain cells, perhaps).

    10. Re:Not a switch. by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      That isn't true. The brain is not digital by any means. Signaling does occur even when the threshold potential is not reached and an action potential is not fired. Further, the state of the surrounding chemical environment and the internal state of the neuron itself make sure that not all action potentials are created equal.

      What they tell you in Intro to Biopsychology is simplified to the point of not really being true (just like math classes).

    11. Re:Not a switch. by Moekandu · · Score: 1

      FYI alcohol doesn't really kill brain cells (unless you were to pour the alcohol directly on the brain cells, perhaps).

      Yeah. That sounds like a Darwin Award waiting to happen.

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    12. Re:Not a switch. by CTachyon · · Score: 1

      Technically, what you describe isn't analog (i.e. continuous and infinitely differentiable); it's digital, except probabilistic rather than the more familiar deterministic.

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    13. Re:Not a switch. by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't. I guess I am not doing a great job of explaining, so let me repeat more simply: there is strong evidence that there is infinitely graduated inter-neuronal signaling apart from action potentials. This is 5+ year old information, too.

    14. Re:Not a switch. by CTachyon · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit. Neuron action potentials occur because of ionized atoms (H+, Na+, K+) entering and leaving the cell membrane. There's no such thing as half an atom, or a fractionally charged ion; therefore, the neuron's internal environment is not continuously variable, and thus action potentials are not analog. Quantum mechanics has shown that infinitely graduated anything is impossible in the physical world.

      Are action potentials more subtle than a binary toggle? Sure. But that doesn't make them analog.

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  10. Last sentence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lame. So very lame.

  11. How's this for ironic... by Onyma · · Score: 1

    "The researchers then asked whether the structural connections of the brain in fact shape its dynamic activity, Sporns said. The study examined the brains of five human participants who were imaged using both fMRI and DSI techniques to compare how closely the brain activity observed in the fMRI mapped to the underlying fiber networks.

    "It turns out they're quite closely related," Sporns said. "We can measure a significant correlation between brain anatomy and brain dynamics. This means that if we know how the brain is connected we can predict what the brain will do."

    Phrenology might be on the come back! Quick, get me my skull maps!

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    1. Re:How's this for ironic... by acehole · · Score: 1

      Of course you'd say that, you have the brainpan of stagecoach tilter.

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    2. Re:How's this for ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great classic Simpsons quotation.

  12. GigE by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if I can get an upgrade to a GigE switch?

    Are you sure it would be an upgrade? The brain is a pretty incredible organ.

    1. Re:GigE by Tangamandapiano · · Score: 1

      Just because something is good or excellent, it doesn't mean that it can't become better.

    2. Re:GigE by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Considering I've heard gerald626 say he upgraded to Vista, I'd say it still counts as an upgrade for him.

    3. Re:GigE by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      True, but the best we have may not be as good as what's already there.

    4. Re:GigE by Deuxsonic · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a downgrade to me.

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    5. Re:GigE by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's like "upgrading" from XP to Vista.

    6. Re:GigE by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The densely woven physical layer carries timing information in the analog domains, with extensive cross-connections, that are very difficult to simulate in a classical Turing machine or binary network. The switches between complex analog mixing and routing, and the centralization or near digitization of the signals to provide reliable low bandwidth communications to more central or more remote processing, is material all network engineers could learn quite a lot from.

  13. Pfft.. single core? by Scott+Kevill · · Score: 0

    Thousands of cores are the future. Intel said so.

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  14. So Clearly you're from Kaos? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    Damn germans!

  15. Maybe Descartes wasn't so far off... by wherrera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their newly mapped "medial and parietal cortex hub" is pretty close to the pineal gland, after all :).

    1. Re:Maybe Descartes wasn't so far off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The REAL article describes the hub so much better than the blog entry.

  16. Find someone on death row? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    Seriously, if we're going to kill them anyway, why not ask for volunteers to be experimented on? Anyone who survives, gets to have their sentence commuted?

    1. Re:Find someone on death row? by servognome · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hell, let's make it entertaining while we're at it, equip them with guns and send out guards in funny themed suits to hunt them down. Maybe use a CGI representation of that guy who hosted Family Fued to MC the whole event.

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    2. Re:Find someone on death row? by neomunk · · Score: 1

      Oooooo, we can use the Chunk O' Brain we took out to finally get a computer to have that neat 'enhance' feature too. :-D

    3. Re:Find someone on death row? by story645 · · Score: 1

      It's unconstitutional? 8th amendment, cruel and unusual punishment, all that.

      It's also ethically questionable. Prisoners are an institutionalized population, and are therefore a vulnerable population (children, mentally ill fall here too) so a researchers gotta jump through a couple of hoops to get clearance to use them. It'd probably be really hard, if not impossible because of the reward, to get this past an IRB.

      All that aside, from a scientific standpoint the findings are of limited value because it's a deviant sub-group of a deviant population. Their brains may be wired so differently that the effects on them may very well not generalize at all.

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    4. Re:Find someone on death row? by TriggerFin · · Score: 1

      Da*n movie, rewriting the story like that.

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    5. Re:Find someone on death row? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      It's unconstitutional? 8th amendment, cruel and unusual punishment, all that.

      If the constitution says its unethical to do something that MIGHT kill them but its 100% okay to do something that will kill them then the Constitution isn't worth the paper its written on.

    6. Re:Find someone on death row? by Lostlander · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's really the might kill them that provides the basis here. If the experiment went awry it could cause a great deal of pain or other side effects. This would basically then amount to severe torture.

    7. Re:Find someone on death row? by Kevin72594 · · Score: 1

      Doing this type of experiment on someone is eerily similar to torture. The death punishment is supposedly a humane way of removing them from the population, but doing these experiments would not be considered humane.

    8. Re:Find someone on death row? by DougF · · Score: 1

      (Throat clearing noise) Ahem...The Constitution was written on parchment (probably sheepskin), not paper.

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    9. Re:Find someone on death row? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      But its torture he's volunteering for. If he's willing to task that risk, then who are we to deny him the possibility of life, simply because it could be painful?

    10. Re:Find someone on death row? by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      Easy to fix. Do the research in China.

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  17. Hmm... by MarshMan1101 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we just need to figure out how to perform a denial of service attack.

    1. Re:Hmm... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two words, sensory overload: http://www.myspace.com/soybuddha

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    2. Re:Hmm... by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Funny
      Now we just need to figure out how to perform a denial of service attack.

      'Support the troops...'

      'Think of the children...'

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    3. Re:Hmm... by PakProtector · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks, asshole. That link crashed Firefox.

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    4. Re:Hmm... by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      Why the hell is my post modded funny? I'm entirely serious.

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    5. Re:Hmm... by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      Opera survives just fine.

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  18. Dammit... by ThatsNotFunny · · Score: 1

    my brain is still on dial-up.

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  19. Connectome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seems to be another word for tractography, which is more well known.

  20. Al Gore's next project: Interbrain by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So basically our brain is a network connected to a hub.

    Now it's just a matter of figuring out the protocol used and hooking up a few brains together. Seriously

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    1. Re:Al Gore's next project: Interbrain by DriedClexler · · Score: 1

      Awesome idea, but how it's that Al Gore's project? What does that have to do with Al Gore?

      -Would interlinked, superintelligent brains be more likely to support immediate action on global warming? (Not that that's a bad thing, but superintelligent brains would be less likely to favor clumsy efficiency regulations and more likely to favor geoengineering and/or methods that price carbon externalities into fuel.)

      -Would interlinked, superintelligent brains favor full vote recounts, or perhaps methods of selecting the US that favor the popular vote rather than the current weighted popular vote/state vote we currently have?

      -Is Al Gore more likely to have the foresight to fund such a project in its infancy?

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  21. Re: "GigE" by devjj · · Score: 1, Funny

    "I wonder if I can get an upgrade to a GigE switch?" I look forward to re-reading this in three years.

  22. But did they use any...... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ...Artificial Intelligence programming to come to these results?

  23. Already been mapped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The core is really small. It has something to do with multiple sclerosis, or something. I don't really understand:

    HJ Simpson core

  24. You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Downgrade to a GigE switch.

  25. Required Statement: by iamwhoiamtoday · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of these... Wait, isn't that basically a "Think Tank"?

  26. Wave a flag by mevets · · Score: 1

    that seems to shut down lots of brain activity.

  27. Protect individuals by Hao+Wu · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Humans need to start defining the brain in terms of their rights -- specifically, that nobody has a right to read, write, or interfere with information within these nerve centers against our wishes.

    Not at ANY age, nor for ANY contract or job application.

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    1. Re:Protect individuals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that nobody has a right to read, write, or interfere with information within these nerve centers against our wishes.

      You're interfering with my brain right now by sending bullshit into it.

  28. Re: "GigE" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol

  29. A bit less, please by tgv · · Score: 2, Informative

    Diffusion imaging is not new and the problems are well-known. Basically, you try to estimate a flow by sampling a lot of points and connect them if they go in (more or less) the same direction. If a flow (in this case a fiber) changes direction too much between sample points, you make a mistake. Also, averaging over 5 people can lead to strange errors, but I guess the authors are competent enough to avoid those pitfalls.

    The thing about the hub isn't that interesting: don't think all traffic passes through it. And these fiber tracts are not supposed to do much processing anyway. It does strike me that the map is asymmetrical.

    One of the authors is quoted as saying: "This means that if we know how the brain is connected we can predict what the brain will do." That should probably be: from knowing the structure we can partially predict the BOLD response (what you measure in fMRI). So much for journalism.

  30. ID the id yet ? by Czar+the+Bizarre · · Score: 1

    i wonder if they've IDed the id ? :P

    1. Re:ID the id yet ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fail, retard

  31. GoogleBrainMaps by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

    GoogleBrainMaps, actually.

    No "mashups," please!

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  32. Not the end of the story by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a very nice article, freely available to boot. However this is not the end of the story. Connectivity was discovered throught DT-MRI, essentially today yields an orientation tensor at each voxel. At present DT-MRI is really low resolution. There is quite a bunch of guesswork in the final result.

    1. Re:Not the end of the story by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      And getting it to a higher resolution means depositing more energy in the tissue. We shouldn't ever expect MRI, or any similar technique, to provide really high resolution measurement without damaging tissue.

    2. Re:Not the end of the story by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      fMRI has always had issues with the fact that it doesn't measure time-varying signals very well in the brain. Which means that it basically can't track fast brain activity, since it needs 2 to 5 seconds to resolve.

      Doppler Sonography by contrast provides a way of measuring neural activity with a high degree of resolution in the time domain:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17290143

      Learned this in the very excellent Brain Hacks book by O'Reilly, which isn't about hacking the brain, really, at all, but just a top to bottom description of how the brain works, with various experiments to demonstrate their points (like optical illusions and such). I highly recommend it.

    3. Re:Not the end of the story by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Doppler ultrasound has the same problem as fMRI: it depends on blood flow changes. Naturally blood flow response has a delay associated with it, relative to the actual neural activity. Basically, you're sampling the same slow responding phenomenon with a faster sampling rate. Plus you can only get data from a small area around the temples and not at all in many people who's skulls are too thick.

      Many labs are combining fMRI and EEG. EEG gives you good temporal resolution by actually sampling the electrical signals produced by neurons, and fMRI gives you good spatial resolution.

    4. Re:Not the end of the story by zapakh · · Score: 1

      Learned this in the very excellent Brain Hacks book by O'Reilly, which isn't about hacking the brain, really, at all, but just a top to bottom description of how the brain works, with various experiments to demonstrate their points (like optical illusions and such). I highly recommend it.

      The title of the book is Mind Hacks . To learn why you remembered it as Brain Hacks, see Hack #85: Create False Memories.

      Eerily enough, I reported the same title the first time I tried to recommend the book to somebody, having just recently read it cover to cover. Perhaps my hub had a collision.

    5. Re:Not the end of the story by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      Very nice.

      But yeah, it's an awesome book.

    6. Re:Not the end of the story by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Temporal resolution is a related but different issue. What i noted was that, no matter what you use, you still have to deposit energy to make subtle measurements. That's a basically Heisenberg-ian issue, and one that sonography also suffers from.

  33. Re:hub?.. Not. Switch or a router atleast. by tankadin · · Score: 0

    Did they map Cisco logo on it aswell?

  34. tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    geeks using a networking analogy to describe the brain.
    sounds as lame as senators using a tubes analogy to describe the internet.
    nooge.

  35. You already have a yotabyte switch by emilper · · Score: 2, Funny

    You already have a yotabyte switch. All you need is an upgrade to the BS detector ROM.

  36. This is the kind of nightmares... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    ...that may cause legislators to bring back death penalty. ...at least those who survived the eyes-bleeding.

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  37. Pretty accurate by Lord+of+Kaos · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looks like how my head feels after 10 hours solid maintainig legacy code...

  38. Male VS female brain by V!NCENT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see the maps of both the male and the female brain. The female brain is smaller but has a larger hub between the RH and LH of the brain. That is why females can think of many things at ones. Another big difference between males and females is that males fixate all the power of their brains on a single thing, while females spread the power of their brain of many things. So the male and the female brain must differ a lot. It should be quite interesting to compare both brain maps.

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    1. Re:Male VS female brain by Shark · · Score: 1

      You mean that with a female brain, I could think of boobs and ass *at the same time*?

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      Yes.

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  39. it supports a nice theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a theory of conciousness that can get some support from this hub thingy.

    Basically, why are we conscious? Apart from the world becoming much more boring it should be some kind of biological advantage to evolve that way.

    The theory states that consciousness is similar to a theater. With only one stage and one focus of light.
    Attendants to the play are all the brain subsystems.
    Actors are all the subconscious process wanting to become conscious (the current inputs of senses , memory, etc.). They compete for the focus of light.
    When one of them get the focus, all the attendants can see him so it becomes and input for the other modules of the brain.
    So, conscious process are slower and it takes much more resources, but allows to broadcast information to anyone. It can be modeler like a hub, isn't it?

  40. I still keep it with... by hoodrat1140 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...Prof. C. McGinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McGinn) Quote: ...He goes on to point out that "if one could know everything about your brain of a neural kind ...its anatomy, its chemical ingredients, the pattern of electrical activity in its various segments ...the position of every atom and its subatomic structure ...everything that that materialist says your mind is, do I thereby know everything about your mind? It certainly seems not. On the contrary, I know nothing about your mind, I know nothing about which conscious states you are in ... and what those states feel like to you ... knowledge of the brain does not give me knowledge of your mind. How then can the two be said to be identical?"...(The Mysterian Manifesto: Shakespeare, McGinn and Me, http://www.observer.com/node/43473)

    1. Re:I still keep it with... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      ...everything that that materialist says your mind is, do I thereby know everything about your mind?

      If I gave you 100-trillion lines of spaghetti code, would you say you know everything about how the program works?

    2. Re:I still keep it with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I could execute your mind on my computer and you could tell me all about how glitchy the hardware is.

    3. Re:I still keep it with... by haxor.dk · · Score: 1

      Agree. Brain is hardware, mind is software.

  41. connectomics? Ugh. No ad agency on the team by smchris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't decide whether this is great news or not.

    On the one hand, it should give AI research some inspiration on how to interface various AI functions.

    On the other hand, there's the slacker nature of evolution. Is the human brain really the _best_ we can do? The paradigm might set back AI theorizing for decades.
       

  42. Isn't this topology patented? by harmanjd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't this topology patented? Are we all going to have to pay royalties to Al Gore to use our brains?

  43. Key by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > Their groundbreaking work identified a single network core, or hub, that may
    > be key to the workings of both hemispheres of the brain.

    Important, yes. Key to the Big Picture, i.e. consciousness? Doubtful. Your brain is really two brains, each lobe capable of thought and consciousness without the other. People can and do have hemispherectomies, believe it or not, and still remain conscious.

    I wonder if anyone like this ever understood AI and could describe the experience, though.

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  44. Connectome versus connectionism by Xeth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm always surprised by the apparent discontinuity between the sort of AI research that goes on in computer science departments (where "connectionism" is a dirty word), and the fact that a lot of modern neuroscientists seem to think that we'll solve a lot of the brain by figuring out the connections.

    And, honestly, I don't think that DSI/DTI is really going to give us very much insight beyond bulk connectionism. When I spoke to Walter Schneider at a Neuromorphic computing workshop this past April, he told me that these sorts of processes operate at at a resolution around a tenth of a millimeter. While that's good for determining the highways of the brain, you can't very well figure out how a steel mill works by looking at a map its delivery trucks follow.

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  45. GigE upgrade? by __aamnbm3774 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm no brain-scientist, but I imagine 'upgrading' to a GigE switch (as you put it) would more likely be a downgrade.

    1. Re:GigE upgrade? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Funny

      A GigE switch would probably be a really good upgrade. The only problem is, you'd have to have a few billion ports on it.

  46. Freedom! Horrible horrible freedom! by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    Protect the queen!

    1. Re:Freedom! Horrible horrible freedom! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Which one's the queen?

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    2. Re:Freedom! Horrible horrible freedom! by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      I'm the queen!

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      No you're not! I AM!

  47. Highway map not Core map by SubComdTaco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article is really light on details, yes IRTFA. It describes its use of a "highly sensitive MRI variant, called diffusion spectrum imaging (DSI), to depict the orientation of multiple fibers that cross a single location." So what they found was the highways or major paths that neuronal axons use when they "cross a single location". Sporns said. "We can measure a significant correlation between brain anatomy and brain dynamics. This means that if we know how the brain is connected we can predict what the brain will do." This is like saying that since we know what highways connect between certain cities we can now predict what the cities will do. There was no mention of the primitive brain, "limbic system", or how that system connects to and interacts with the cortex or how this interaction fits into their findings. Don't get me wrong, this information is significant importance, especially for neurosurgeons, neurosurgery intervention and brain injury assessment, especially if these patterns prove to have a degree of consistency in a large scale study.

  48. Who's brain did they map, Dr. Daystrom? by RevWaldo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why, mine of course...

  49. You-need-not-fear. by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Funny

    So basically our brain is a network connected to a hub. I wonder if I can get an upgrade to a GigE switch?

    Cybermen will remove fear. Cybermen will remove sex, and class, and color, and creed. You will become identical. You will become like us.

    Begin upgrading.

  50. 80 mT/m gradients by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They used huge gradients (twice the usual maximum value)

  51. Mmmmm, by my_left_nut · · Score: 1

    Brains....

  52. upgrade to GigE switch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that may be a downgrade...

  53. Allergy to analogies by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

    I am amused by the way slashdot automatically tries to relate this to a computer network. I would love to see the analogies they use on the following sites:

    • trackslot.org (news site for train drivers)
    • zaphot.org (news site for electricity grid engineers)
    • bashcop.org (news site for violent protesters)
    • smackpot.org (news site for drug addicts)
    • rashstop.org (news site for dermatologists)
    • crashyacht.org (news site for incompetent sea captains), and
    • slashchop.org (news site for pscychopathic axe murderers)
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  54. Nice. And now... by flajann · · Score: 1
    Seeing this map is wonderful, and marks a milestone in neuroscience. Now, the burning question is how this neural map differs from person to person, between the sexes, and across cultures. Would the neural map of someone in Japan be different from someone in the US? Would the neural map of a geek like those of us who slash-dot everyday differ from, say, a lawyer, a brick-layer, or a street-sweeper, or more importantly, the managers we work for?

    :-)

    I say that VERY tongue-in-cheek, being a high-tech manager myself.