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AOL Users Will Need to Pay $2 a Month For Phone Support

destinyland writes "8.7 million AOL subscribers face a new 20% fee increase next month — unless they agree to never call AOL's technical support lines. They'll have to use AOL chat for support or the online help "portal" unless their issue is a failed connection — and they're being enrolled in the program by default unless they opt out. Ominously, AOL used the exact same wording as when they quietly changed their terms of service to allow them to sell subscribers' home phone numbers to telemarketers. 'Your continued subscription to the AOL service constitutes your acceptance of this change.'"

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  1. 8.7 million? by stinerman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. I'm surprised AOL still has that many customers.

    Come on guys, let's get grandma off AOL.

    1. Re:8.7 million? by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      This surprises you after so many voted a potted plant back into the presidency after such obvious failure in 2004?

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    2. Re:8.7 million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This surprises you after so many voted a potted plant back into the presidency after such obvious failure in 2004?

      Speaking as a potted plant, I find that remark deeply offensive to our species.

    3. Re:8.7 million? by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 3, Funny

      that's one step worse than asking those ./ers without wives/girlfriends to reveal themselves... I'm guessing there will be no takers on this one.

      I have plenty of wives/girlfriends

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    4. Re:8.7 million? by spazdor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am a bush, you insensitive... etc.

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    5. Re:8.7 million? by clampolo · · Score: 4, Informative

      How many slashdotters here are using aol? i challenge you to reveal yourselves.

      While I use DSL at home, I pay for AOL service for my mom and dad. They are old and find AOL to be the simplest thing for them to use, and they never do anything that would require them to use anything faster.

    6. Re:8.7 million? by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Informative

      ATT DSL comes with free unlimited dialup. And you can get it for $10/mo.

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    7. Re:8.7 million? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Go on, say it. Call him a "clod". You know that term is derogatory to us potting soil (the very potting soil that nourishes you).

      There was only one burning bush, or shrub, or whatever that was in the desert... and it only had sand!

    8. Re:8.7 million? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Like the Knights Who Say Ni!, they demanded a shrubbery.

    9. Re:8.7 million? by vga_init · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Obviously, AOL's software is terrible and causes tons of issues whenever I need to fix their computer. Fortunately, the Mac version is better and doesn't take over the system as much as the Windows version does."

      You know, there once was a time when I had no choice but to use AOL because my dad was too stubborn/backwards to change anything. One of the things I hated the most was the client.

      Interestingly enough, a few months prior to leaving AOL, I got the chance to use an alternative client they had called "aol dialer" or something like that. It was a minimal client; it connected you and then sat in the tray (that's about all it did). I was super happy with this change, and I think that if your family finds it useful to have AOL service, aoldial is worth a look. All of their content seems to have been moved onto their web portal anyway, and considering that you can check your mail account with IMAP, there appears to be no reason to use their software anymore.

  2. The death spiral by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    as they descend in AOHell; desperate grabs at revenue are being made. It was tough to cancel before; no you can't do it on weekends or holidays.

    After creating eternal September they are sliding to obscurity.

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  3. Correction by Tx · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Your continued subscription to the AOL service constitutes your proof that you are a fool and deserve to be parted from your money."

    There, fixed it.

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  4. Keep getting billed by Bomarc · · Score: 5, Informative

    My grandmother decided to leave AOL. AOL however, would not leave her. She kept getting billed, and could not disconnect for MONTHS after the fact. I never did find out what the end result was, but (in the past) it was normal for AOL to 'not' disconnect your service when you asked them to...

    1. Re:Keep getting billed by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

      The best thing to do is to call your credit card company and inform them that AOL is still continuing to bill you after you've already quit their service, and that you want to block any further attempts by AOL to bill your credit card. Unfortunately, for the money you've already paid, you're probably going to have to see a lawyer, and it just isn't worth it, despite the fact that fraudulent billing is actually a pretty serious offense.

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    2. Re:Keep getting billed by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Informative
      just VISA, who gave me my money back ...

      This is the big difference between using a credit card and a debit card.

      With a credit card, VISA isn't giving you your money back. By LAW, you don't have to pay a disputed charge. You don't give them the money in the first place so they can't "give it back".

      With a debit card you are unprotected. Your money is gone. IF the bank wants to give it back to you, they can. If they want to run you through the wringer and make you jump hoops, they can. And then they can say you must have authorized the charge for it to happen, and sorry, your account is now overdrawn.

      Not enough people realize this difference. A local university is trying to push a combined debit card/id card onto the students and they are telling the students that their debit card will be protected just like a credit card. They're being told that it won't matter if they HAVE to carry the card every day to use Uni resources and happen to lose it, their bank accounts will be safe. Yes, you can safely hand the dweeb behind the library checkout desk your id/debit card to get that reserved item. You can safely hand the work-study student at the gym your debit card/id to check out a basketball.

      All those who want the "convenience" of one card for everything will soon learn the inconvenience of dealing with a debit card fraudulent charge. Maybe it's just a way that the uni is teaching; teaching people to mistrust all government.

  5. You thought it was bad before... by RockMFR · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will calling them to cancel your service constitute technical support? If so, this plan is ingenious!

  6. Instant Messenger by quibbs0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rumor has it that the once free IM service is now going to a $.10 per sent or received IM message.

  7. Why the hell should we care? by hellfire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nostalga is okay but in this case who gives a flying fuck? AOL is irrelevant. They are a internet portal and dialup provider. I'm with the posts that say "hey i didn't know AOL still had users!" but I take it a step further in that I don't want to know either. Back when they had a huge market share they were relevant and their pricing practices deserved scrutiny, even if 99.9% of slashdotters thought it's service was foul. Now they have to compete for the scraps of dialup users who don't want to upgrade to broadband, and that market is neither vibrant nor growing. We don't post pricing practices of Juno or netzero, do we?

    C'mon it can't be that slow a news day can it?

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  8. Using even after broadband by Scutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's astonishing to me is the number of AOL users I encounter who continue to use AOL even after switching to broadband, not because they like AOL's features, but because they think that's the only way to the internet.

    "You mean I don't have to use AOL to browse the intarwebs? I don't understand!"

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    1. Re:Using even after broadband by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Funny
      I was doing tech support for an ISP back when AOL started its "Bring your own interet" program, where you could use AOL through other providers. I remember getting a call from a woman who complained that "Once I log on and start AOL, all I get is AOL. What do I need you for?"

      I explained to her how once she'd opened AOL she was just using us to get to them and that if she wanted all of the Internet, uncensored, unfiiltered, all she had to do was not connect to AOL, just open her browser and have fun. She decided to cancel her service with us.

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    2. Re:Using even after broadband by Jimmy+King · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used to do tech support for an ISP who lost a few customers due to AOL, too. It was for a different reason, though.

      They had both AOL and us (I don't remember why... probably just testing the waters of a normal ISP as they still had to dial into AOL to use it, if I remember right). Unfortunately, AOL was modifying the tcp stack so that DNS only worked when connected to them. If you uninstalled TCP/IP and reinstalled it, everything would work perfectly while connected to us. That is, until they connected to AOL again, it downloaded a forced update, and that forced updated caused DNS to only work when connected to AOL dial-up. Naturally, the customers then thought our service didn't work right and would stick with AOL.

      I thought the first one was a fluke. Unfortunately, this continued to be seen by myself and others there on a regular basis for quite some time.

    3. Re:Using even after broadband by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That was AOL 5, IIRC. Gave us a lot of trouble, too, because even after you'd uninstalled it, you still couldn't resolve DNS. One of our techs finally found a way to fix it: you not only had to remove/reinstall DUN, you had to hand remove a number of the .386 files involved, and make sure that when you reinstalled, you did not keep the newer versions. From what I understand, the AOL techs warned that it wasn't ready for release, but the marketdroids insisted. As I said, AOL is constantly shooting itself in the foot.

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  9. Continued Subscription? by oahazmatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    'Your continued subscription to the AOL service constitutes your acceptance of this change.'"

    You mean the continued subscription because AOL has a retention pool designed to endlessly throw offers and incentives (including months of free service, if necessary) to keep their customers?

    I've known people who have had to report their Credit Card as lost to get out of paying for AOL.

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  10. Re:Wow, 8.7 million still by tilandal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most of them tried to cancel but AOL wouldn't let them.

  11. Running true to form by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Funny

    Years ago I got the impression that AOL was walking around carrying a pair of hand guns pointing at their own feet. At random intervals, they pull one of the triggers and shoot themselves in the foot. Once in a while, they pull both at once. AFAIC, this new policy is just AOL running true to form and shooting themselves in the feet.

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  12. Re:The best way to cancel AOL and probably the.... by WarwickRyan · · Score: 3, Funny

    One of those evil ones which, according to AOL Time Warner executives is the biggest contributing factor towards the twin evils of child abuse and terrorism.

    Think it was called "Napster".

  13. Holy Maligned Priorities Batman! by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The family members using AOL have the broadband service at home, and then they use the 56K at their cottage. Without this, they would normally be required to buy two Internet packages.

    they can afford a vacation home, but can't afford internet for it?

    Additionally, if it's in another country, and that country is in western europe or the pacific rim, they could probably get broadband there for half the current price of AOL.

    Either way, they're paying a "tax" for that level of stupidity.

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  14. AOL "scam" e-mails by Phairdon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You aren't kidding about grandmas.

    In addition, it seems to me that AOL is tricking people into accepting this $2 increase. Let me explain:

    My wife's grandma uses AOL and she told me that she got an e-mail that said that her bill will go up by $2 every month unless you click this link and answer some account security questions. I immediately thought this was a fake e-mail to get grandmas account information. I looked at the e-mail and it looks just like the false bank emails that I receive all the time. However, I called AOL and it ended being a true e-mail.

    We have been trained to ignore e-mails with wording like this, how many old people do you think will just delete this e-mail and end up getting charged an extra $2?

    1. Re:AOL "scam" e-mails by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I had mod points you'd get an insightful for that.

      Here in the UK I got a final demand, big red letters and everything, for about £12 from N-Power, a electricity supplier. Strangely, I didn't have an account with them. Reading the small print (very carefully) revealed that it was in fact a "final chance" to pay a £12 fee and have your power supply *switched* to N-Power. It's a despicable way to operate, and seemingly becoming more common.

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  15. Hmm Interesting by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 4, Funny

    Write on the back of your next payment to AOL

    By cashing this Cheque AOL agrees it is their fault I am downloading Music/Video's and accepts full responsibility of my actions on the internet.

    It would be quite humorous to see what they would do. or if they caught it at all.
       

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  16. In other news.. by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 4, Funny
    In other news.. apparently AOL is still in business. Who knew?

    AOL: Now with 100% more terrible customer service! (Because you have to PAY for it now)

  17. Re:Not really. by espiesp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure does!

    The working poor aren't the way they are because of too little money. But rather, because of too much consumerism. When I look back 20 years ago, the poor kids didn't have Nike. The poor kids didn't have Polo. The poor kids didn't have SHIT. Parents put priorities first.

    Now today. Every kid has fancy sneakers, cell phones, laptop computers, new cars for graduation... And bankrupt parents.

    It's not the kids I'm worried about. It's the parents. What will the world be like when the parents of todays spoiled, money sucking kids, get spit out at 65 without a dime to their name - and greedy children with little desire to help them out?