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Ponca City, We love you writes "Once the US converts from analog to digital broadcasting next February, those who receive their signals over the air will need a converter box for older, non-digital models. Government-approved converter boxes sell for $60 or less and a government-issued $40 rebate coupon is available for the asking but that hasn't stopped companies like the Ohio-based Universal TechTronics from offering supposedly free converter boxes. The gimmick: the box is free, as long as you pay $88 for a five-year warranty, plus $9.30 shipping. Universal TechTronics seems to specialize in 'high-tech' products of questionable value, marketing the Cool Surge portable air cooler, 'a work of engineering genius from the China coast so advanced that no windows, vents, or freon are needed' that uses the same energy as a 60-watt light bulb. It works by blowing a stream of air over two ice packs that you have previously frozen in your freezer. What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately?"

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  1. Tech scam? by jeiler · · Score: 5, Funny

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    1. Re:Tech scam? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent insightful, instead of funny. Various people and some papers have suggested that upgrading network capacity is a better way to handle high traffic than trying to mess with QoS, because 1. it's cheaper 2. it actually works, which isn't really proven to be the case for QoS on a large ISP level network.

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  2. Tech Scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    DVD rewinders.

    1. Re:Tech Scam by AngryUndead · · Score: 4, Funny

      o ye of too much faith [in humanity].

  3. Careful with the word "scam" by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "free" digital TV box gimmick is not necessarily a scam. Comparing a box with a 5 year warranty to one with a 1 year warranty is not a fair comparison. It's gimmicky pricing to make people think they're getting a great deal. A scam, on the other hand, requires deception to secure an unfair or unlawful gain. In this case, the user is getting a 5 year warranty rather than the typical 1 year warranty, so it is understandable the overall cost should be higher, meaning it's not an unfair or unlawful gain.

    (It could be argued that warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on. If a warranty is not workable, that's the part you can call a scam, not the gimmicky pricing.)

    1. Re:Careful with the word "scam" by Splab · · Score: 4, Informative

      The fun thing is they ship the crap stuff to the US and good stuff to EU because we require higher warranties. Here in Denmark for instance they are by law required to show that anything failing within the first 6 months is misuse by the customer. On top of that we get another 1 and a half year where any defects are still considered under warranty, but its up to the user to show that its a faulty product - however, in practice electronic shops grant a full 2 year warranty, with pretty much no questions asked due to the competition.

      So any company selling hardware in Denmark has to take care the stuff works or they will end up having to replace it 2 years down the road, that means the good runs end up here. (A good example is the Samsung F8 series, any model destined for Scandinavia is labeled BDX and comes with on site service per default and are pretty much guaranteed to work for 5+ years)

  4. Kinoki Foot Pads by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've seem some scams recently, but the most amazing has to be Kinoki Foot Pads. Let's ignore the fact that my understanding is the word "kinoki" is meaningless and the characters they use in the ad don't even read "kinoki".

    I'm used to all sorts of pseudo science in TV ads, but this one is downright amazing. Did you know tree roots are used to dispose of chemicals, and that my feet are actually tree roots? I'm so glad someone told me. I especially love the list of conditions that these things can cure. Even if they weren't fake and actually would detoxify you, I seriously doubt it would even touch many of those conditions. I seem to remember reading someone wrapped carrots with the pads just to prove that anything will make them blacken from "toxins".

    The ad id just amazing. I was dumbfounded the first time I saw it. Diet pill ads look like something out of the Mayo Clinic in comparison.

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    1. Re:Kinoki Foot Pads by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, (in Japanese, as that pronunciation makes little sense in Chinese), the characters shown on their advertisement read "Tree tree sap", and it makes about as much sense to write it that way in English as it does Japanese. That alone should tell you it's bullshit.

  5. Water-free water, pay only $9.99 shipping! by krnpimpsta · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It works by blowing a stream of air over two ice packs that you have previously frozen in your freezer." means = "no freon"?

    Well, then I'm also selling water-free water for places that have water shortages. Just add 1 cup of water to the device and you will have an entire cup of water that you can drink!

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    1. Re:Water-free water, pay only $9.99 shipping! by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, then I'm also selling water-free water for places that have water shortages. Just add 1 cup of water to the device and you will have an entire cup of water that you can drink!

      I am not making this up: according to a recent Washington Post story, "Desalinated seawater from Hawaii, meanwhile, is being sold as `concentrated water' -- at $33.50 for a two-ounce bottle. Like any concentrated beverage, it is supposed to be diluted before drinking, except that in this case, that means adding water to . . . water."

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  6. Re:Maybe the by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real tech scam: you have to upgrade your PC every two years to run the latest and greatest versions of Windows and Office.

  7. Re:Carbon credits by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Informative

    no. CO2 can be removed from the atmosphere without "destroying" anything. plant a tree, that tree takes in CO2, water, nutrients and with light can synthesize organic compounds locked up in the tree its self. no magical violations of laws of physics required.

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  8. Other scams by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't need techobabble to put one over on people ...

    Just look at the erpackaging of crap loans and blessing them with AAA ratings, and the proposal to bail out those who participated in the scam.

    Time was, the three biggest lies were "The check is in the mail", "I'll still love you in the morning", and "I won't come in your mouth."

    Now its "Mission Accomplished!", "Housing prices never go down," and "Jebus loves you- gimme money!"

  9. What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately? by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately?

    Do you mean other than those $60 converter boxs and $40 Government coupons that expire in less than 80 days after people receive them? The coupons are a great deal for the importers and sellers, but in reality the customer ends up paying about whet they would if there were no coupon program, perhaps more when you realize they pay sales tax on the entire ticket price. In a world where I can buy a DVD player in a local store for $29 or less, these much simpler converter boxes should not be costing $60.

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  10. Re:I like Vista by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    and now I have the ability to play games without the horrible FPS that came with Vista.

    Vista comes with a First Person Shooter?

    Let me guess - you score points by killing penguins with thrown chairs, you buy armour by making campaign contributions, and you power up by eating up all the ram chips lying around.

  11. Best Tech Scam by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, the cell phone antenna booster "stickers" were probably the single best tech scam. It combined laughably ineffective "technology" with the always successful price-so-low-it-doesn't-matter-if-they-don't-work.

    More recently, I'm still astounded by the number of "BOOST YOUR MPG!" schemes that involve additives or random crap shoved in your air intake. I especially love the accusations from promoters that the auto manufacturers are in it with the oil companies. GM and Ford are both facing a very real possibility of chapter 11 bankruptcy, and the word is that Cerberus is quietly readying a giant hammer of doom over at Chrysler. If all it took was a $2 piece of metal to get 9 more mpg out of a Malibu, don't you think they'd have done it by now? See the cell phone boosters for the basic premise: if you only charge $40 for one of these things, people won't be too pissed when they find out that it doesn't work.

    There are many MLM schemes that differentiate themselves from the regular Amway crowd by pitching websites that MAKE YOU MONEY. I was actually approached by two different classmates about five years ago regarding the scheme, and it was so comically bad to anyone with any kind of tech knowledge that you couldn't help but laugh. Picture MLM combined with an Amazon-style referral bonus for online purchases. Now charge someone $400 to participate, and charge extra for adding basic things to their company website. Now make sure the websites resemble GeoCities circa 1997. Now we're talking!

    My other favorite is the speaker scam, which someone tried to pull on me about two weeks ago (I hadn't heard of these for years). It's not really a tech scam, just your basic grift that happens to involve technology: an "installer" got an extra set of speakers/surround sound system/plasma TV accidentally loaded in his van for a big install job. Last time this happened, his boss reamed him a new one for not noticing in the first place, then sold them and kept the cash himself. Installer figures he'd "cut out the middleman" and you look like the kind of guy who knows good equipment. Usually they're selling actual speakers or receiver (the plasma scams generally involved an oven door in a box with a window), and they often have some custom-made audio magazine with their brand of speaker on the cover and a great review inside. You end up buying $20 worth of garbage for $200. Dogg Digital and Kirsch were the big names in the white van speaker scam years ago. Google them for an entertaining and depressing look at human nature.

    1. Re:Best Tech Scam by Hollinger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My other favorite is the speaker scam, which someone tried to pull on me about two weeks ago (I hadn't heard of these for years). It's not really a tech scam, just your basic grift that happens to involve technology: an "installer" got an extra set of speakers/surround sound system/plasma TV accidentally loaded in his van for a big install job. Last time this happened, his boss reamed him a new one for not noticing in the first place, then sold them and kept the cash himself.

      They've moved to eBay. A year or two ago, I was trying to find some new speakers. I spent several hours clicking around the various brands and types on eBay, and for kicks (maybe because I'm slightly evil) I'd place a few opening bids on obviously high-end items, knowing I'd lose the auction. The next morning I had "congrats! You've won!" email in my inbox, and an invoice for $78 for a pair of DR-SL-900 speakers. It took me all of 10 minutes to figure out that these were a scam. I offered to pay the relisting fees as a good netizen, expecting something like $5:

      Item: DR-SL-900 HOME THEATER SPEAKERS SURROUND SOUND (5836587072)
      This message was sent after the listing closed.
      ou_mike_hollinger is the winner.

      Hello,

      I just won this pair of speakers. To be honest, I didn't expect to win a $1500+ dollar pair. I thought my bid would be outbid rather quickly.

      Can I just pay your re-listing fees or something? I sell on eBay as well, and hate it when people do this, but someone offered to cover my relisting fees for eBay, which pretty much removed all the expense from my pocket.

      How does that sound to you?

      Sorry for the inconvenience,
      ~ Mike

      And promptly got this note back:

      From: Chrisstfo@aol.com [mailto:Chrisstfo@aol.com]
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:40 AM
      To: mhollinger@ou.edu
      Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #5836587072

      Hi, that would be fine. Please pay $45 asap. Thanks, Chris

      After replying that that was a ripoff, I got back a note detailing the various fees they paid, which totaled $30. Where'd the extra $15 come from? After that, I told them I'd researched the product, and that they could initiate the dead-beat bidder process, so I could take the negative feedback and be on my merry way.

      I got this response:

      Hi, yes it does come out of stock as soon as we list the item. The item is taking down and packaged very well. There is nothing wrong with the products that we sell. Please see our feedback everyone loves them. They are great speakers and we stand behind d them 110%. The sites that you mentioned are all bullshit from people that have no idea what they are talking about. If you would like you could pick up a copy of E_GEAR and see that the speakers where tested by pros and the rated them 5 stars. We spent a lot of time listing them and packaging them. We are very easy to deal with. Please pay what you think is fair and we will leave it @ that. If you would like you can contact us @ 201-450-1145. Thank You, Chris

      I told them "no deal," and they opened an "unpaid item dispute" against me. I put in the dispute that they were a scam, and about an hour later the dispute was closed for the reason: "payment has been received." Hah. I was actually waiting for them to leave me positive feedback...

      So I learned my lesson: Always research before you bid on eBay, even if the bid's not serious. ;-)

    2. Re:Best Tech Scam by lubricated · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't get it. Why did you offer any money to someone trying to scam you?
      How did you figure out it was a scam, other than the cheap price?
      It all sounds good but the details don't make sense to me.

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    3. Re:Best Tech Scam by hardburn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's tons of money to be made in the audiophile market. Just apply a little creativity along with some technobabble, then price it higher than anybody else. It won't be long before forum posts start praising your products as producing "warmer" sound.

      Some of my favorites:

      • Crygenically frozen cables; basically, dip the cables in liquid nitrogen (which you can get surprisingly easy and cheap), let them thaw, and charge $1000
      • Cable burn-in service; put a sine wave through a cable for a week and only charge $500. For those poor audiophiles who can't afford the cryo treatment. Package deal with cryo treatment for only $1300. Sawtooth waves are an extra $200, or $100 with cryo package. Send your cables back once a year for re-treatment for only $150 per go ($180 for sawtooth waves).
      • Wood block that has been "resonance treated" by sitting under an amp playing classical music for a month, which they then put under their own amp.
      • Claim you have a technology which can improve their sound setup over the phone. Basically, you're charging $100 for the service of processing their credit card.

      I've tried for years to tell these people that these companies are a big scam, but audiophiles are a daft group. I'm about ready to give up the argument and run a scam myself. Someone is making a fortune off them, and it might as well be me.

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    4. Re:Best Tech Scam by mxs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The OP is trying to make himself seem like the good guy in the story. Here is what happened :

      Guy goes to eBay. Guy finds lots of speakers that he thinks are worth lots of moolah. Guy thinks to himself, hey, maybe I can bid low and rip somebody off (legally, $1 auctions have been known to net you high-priced goods whenever christmas and easter fall on the same day). Guy proceeds to bid on stuff with impunity without researching what he's bidding on.

      Guy waits a day.

      Guy actually wins an auction for an item. He didn't bother to read the description and model number the first time. He did not bother to research the item before he placed a bid. Guy thinks he's being scammed because, hey, he actually got an item for the price he bid. Guy is panicking. Guy wants out of this deal. Guy comes up with "They are SCAMMING ! This is not the item I bid on ! This is sub-standard quality gear ! I know, let's be a douchebag and offer to relist the item, I don't want to be held accountable to the bid I entered !"

      Seller, meanwhile, gets annoyed. Since he does not want negative feedback (which is bad, bad stuff on eBay), he tries to work out a deal that is to everybody's satisfaction. Buyer offered to pay relisting, so seller takes the deal. Buyer does not believe the fee. Buyer is getting annoying and costing a lot of money in time spent. Seller offers buyer to pay whatever he deems fair as relisting fee. Buyer declines, frothing at the mouth. Seller initiates dead-beat buyer proceedings, as ANY reputable seller would, seeing as how they are the ones being scammed out of their listing fee.
      Seller ultimately decides to cut their losses and not deal with buyer anymore, not deal with eBay in this matter, not risk negative feedback, and just moves on, writing this off as the cost of doing business.

      Meanwhile, douchebag buyer thinks he's won and really shown them. He hasn't been scammed. The speakers were listed on the eBay listing. He could have researched. Since he feels he is in the righteous right, he posts unanonymized eMails and tries to pass these guys off as scumbags ... I have yet to see any evidence of that. If he had been delivered a box full of bricks, we might have a story. He hasn't.

  12. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by MMORG · · Score: 5, Informative

    The freezer removes heat from the icepack and dumps it into the room (plus extra, because of the work done). Then you take the icepack out of the freezer, put it in the "room cooling" device, where it takes heat from the room and puts it back into the icepack. Net result, your room is hotter than it was before. In order to get a net cooling effect, you have to dump the heat into a separate system that you don't care about (like outside). That's why air conditioners have vents to the outside.

  13. Bathtub Curve by msgmonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Retailers love to offer 5 year extended warranty because of the Bathtub Curve.

    Basically if a product does n't fail within one year then the probability it failing within five year years is very very low.

    This curve applies very well to consumer electronics with the added advantage that they depreciate in value quickly too.

  14. Re:Maybe the by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check this out: when I was working as a film-developing monkey for a large drugstore chain, we had a computer dedicated to downloading pictures from a VERY well-known maker of disposable cameras. One day, the tech had to come in to upgrade the computer so that it could dowload pictures from bluetooth devices. The tech opened up the computer and explained to me that he had to remove a piece of "epoxy"(which was a small blob of harmless rubber cement on the mainboard) which clearly obstructed nothing ad served no purpose whatsoever. Then, he put in a driver CD to enable bluetooth functionality. It was absurd! Why crack the box open at all? My guess was to rationalize an obscene price by making a simple driver install an illusion of a "ZOMG hardware surgery performed by a engineer".

    Absurd.

  15. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Be carefull about moving the radiator portion of the fidge outside. A heat pump has to work harder the more against the gradient the tempature differential you are tring to create is. The compressor system in your fridge is designed to run lots of short cycles, where as the AC unit on your house is designed for few longer cycles.

    If you fridge can't pump much heat because its trying to exhaust the heat into an 90F+ world and its going to be running constantly. It might not last long in that configuration.

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  16. Re:Carbon credits by mazarin5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once the tree dies, its carbon goes right back into the air.

    Is spontaneous combustion a big problem for trees in you area?

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  17. Audiophile Hardware by Dr.Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm going to get all the /. audiophiles offside with this, but whatever. Some of the stuff targeted at audio pimpers is truly ridiculous. See http://www.ilikejam.org/blog/audio/audiophile.html For example:
    • The CD stop light pen: A giant disregard of optics leads people to believe that the probe light "goes somewhere in the CD" and needs to be trapped.
    • Audio-pimp cables: Yes, a good cable with decent materials and a well engineered, within spec connector will help with sound. Some of these audiophile connectors, however, provide no discernible or even measurable benefit. Certainly not for the cost required.
    • My favorite, the volume knob: A turned wooden knob. Ha ha, knob. This may be aesthetically pleasing to some, but to claim it has anything to do with audio quality is just wrong.

    These audiophile things offend me. I realize some people like to mess with their hardware to make it look pretty in their eyes (ricers, for example) but to claim such "behind-the-scenes" hardware mods do anything except drain the bank accounts of the ignorant is beyond the pale and simply a scam perpetrated by those who know better.

    1. Re:Audiophile Hardware by ikkonoishi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats nothing.
      http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/

      You save $49.75!!!

      Check out the user reviews.

      If I could use a rusty boxcutter to carve a new orifice in my body that's compatible with this link cable, I would already be doing it. I can just imagine the pure musical goodness that would flow through this cable into the wound and fill me completely -- like white, holy light. Holding this cable in my hands actually makes me feel that much closer to the Lord Jesus Christ. I only make $6.25/hr at Jack In The Box, but I saved up for three months so I could have this cable. It sits in a shrine I constructed next to my futon in Mother's basement.

      I only gave it four stars in my review because I can't find music that is worthy enough to flow through this utterly perfect interconnect.

  18. Re:Heat pumps work both ways. by jbengt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    AC is expensive because people design houses and offices with giant windows which both let the sunshine in and keep the heat from getting out. And then build them in Texas.

    Boy, you got that right.
    I worked on the HVAC design of a big modern house in the Dallas/Ft Worth suburbs (summer design temperature 105F/40C). It had a Great Room with a 12 ft high, 60 ft long glass window (the entire wall, floor to ceiling) facing West, overlooking a reflecting pool. (not much reflief from the hot afternoon sun in that layout) The building had lots of windows, skylights, glass elevator, glass stairs, even some glass floors. Interesting design, but about 3 times the A/C you would otherwise expect for a house that size.
    To be fair, it didn't inefficiently pump the heat to the hot outside air, but had a system of water-source heat pumps using ground-tempered water pumped in a closed loop through about sixteen 150 ft deep wells. (the architect refused to have visible condensing units for cooling or gas vents/chimneys for heating)

  19. kquade by kquade · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q: What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately? A: Windows Vista.

  20. Free project boxes! by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have you requested your free converter box from Uncle Sam yet? I certainly have! And no, I don't receive over-the-air television ... I've got DirecTV and I'm quite happy with it. But with the coupons, I can get a couple of free boxes with power supplies and RF modulators in them ... quite nice for various geek projects! One of them will probably be fitted as a simple RF modulator appliance so my son can play video games on his TV which only has an antenna input. The other ... who knows? Who cares? It's free! (More accurately, it's already paid for; it doesn't even begin to make up for the thousands of dollars the government steals from me each year.)

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  21. Re:I like Vista by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used it for about 4 hours

    Stop.

    Back in the fricking' BETA, Vista would run fairly sluggishly for the first day or so, as it indexed every file you've got. Then, it ran more or less at a constant speed.

    If you want to give Vista a test, give it at LEAST a week.

    Now, it runs great, and uses about 2/3 the ram that was being consumed by Vista

    Wait... you know enough to check the RAM, but not enough to do a google search for Vista using too much ram?.

    (Hint: Vista is your memory manager. Why should it waste cycles loading and un-loading files so you can have "free" ram when it can just, you know, keep some in memory until a program actually asks for the space?)