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Ponca City, We love you writes "Once the US converts from analog to digital broadcasting next February, those who receive their signals over the air will need a converter box for older, non-digital models. Government-approved converter boxes sell for $60 or less and a government-issued $40 rebate coupon is available for the asking but that hasn't stopped companies like the Ohio-based Universal TechTronics from offering supposedly free converter boxes. The gimmick: the box is free, as long as you pay $88 for a five-year warranty, plus $9.30 shipping. Universal TechTronics seems to specialize in 'high-tech' products of questionable value, marketing the Cool Surge portable air cooler, 'a work of engineering genius from the China coast so advanced that no windows, vents, or freon are needed' that uses the same energy as a 60-watt light bulb. It works by blowing a stream of air over two ice packs that you have previously frozen in your freezer. What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately?"

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  1. Tech scam? by jeiler · · Score: 5, Funny

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    1. Re:Tech scam? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent insightful, instead of funny. Various people and some papers have suggested that upgrading network capacity is a better way to handle high traffic than trying to mess with QoS, because 1. it's cheaper 2. it actually works, which isn't really proven to be the case for QoS on a large ISP level network.

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  2. Tech Scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    DVD rewinders.

    1. Re:Tech Scam by AngryUndead · · Score: 4, Funny

      o ye of too much faith [in humanity].

    2. Re:Tech Scam by legirons · · Score: 2, Informative

      not for DVDs, but: http://dansdata.com/gz083.htm

    3. Re:Tech Scam by scottrocket · · Score: 2, Funny
      As I recall they were a gag gift and were never meant to be taken seriously nor marketed as anything but a gag gift.

      OOooooohhhhhh...

  3. Careful with the word "scam" by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "free" digital TV box gimmick is not necessarily a scam. Comparing a box with a 5 year warranty to one with a 1 year warranty is not a fair comparison. It's gimmicky pricing to make people think they're getting a great deal. A scam, on the other hand, requires deception to secure an unfair or unlawful gain. In this case, the user is getting a 5 year warranty rather than the typical 1 year warranty, so it is understandable the overall cost should be higher, meaning it's not an unfair or unlawful gain.

    (It could be argued that warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on. If a warranty is not workable, that's the part you can call a scam, not the gimmicky pricing.)

    1. Re:Careful with the word "scam" by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "free" digital TV box gimmick is not necessarily a scam. Comparing a box with a 5 year warranty to one with a 1 year warranty is not a fair comparison. It's gimmicky pricing to make people think they're getting a great deal. A scam, on the other hand, requires deception to secure an unfair or unlawful gain. In this case, the user is getting a 5 year warranty rather than the typical 1 year warranty, so it is understandable the overall cost should be higher, meaning it's not an unfair or unlawful gain.

      (It could be argued that warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on. If a warranty is not workable, that's the part you can call a scam, not the gimmicky pricing.)

      I agree it's not a scam, but a 5 year warranty on an item with no moving parts?

      One is born every minute, especially since you could buy 2 for less than this one and have a spare if teh first ever fails after a year.

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    2. Re:Careful with the word "scam" by Junior+Samples · · Score: 3, Informative

      (It could be argued that warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on. If a warranty is not workable, that's the part you can call a scam, not the gimmicky pricing.)

      I bought a pair of Zenith DTT901 converters with my government coupons after researching the experiences of other users on AVSForums. The Zenith DTT901 only comes with a 90 day warranty. Considering the out of pocket cost of $10 to $20 with the government coupon ($49 - $59 retail), and the reputation of the manufacturer, does the warranty really matter?

      A 5 year warranty doesn't mean anything if the product is a piece of crap. Universal Techtronics brand isn't even on the CECB approved list:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CECB
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CECB_units

    3. Re:Careful with the word "scam" by Maxmin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rubbish. Most electronic gadgets come with limited 30-day manufacturer warranties, with arduous repair/exchange requirements, and it's the retailer that offers an "extended warranty."

      Here, we have the next datapoint in the series, giving product away for free! But only if you pick up the expensive "warranty."

      The very fact that hardware manufacturers no longer stand behind their product means they now *anticipate* a high failure rate, which indicates they no longer design with reliability in mind. Gadgets have become disposable crap. Quality is no longer assured, it's avoided. Welcome the new revenue stream, "Quality Insurance," if you will.

      *That*, my industrialist-named friend, is the "scam" nowadays. Manufacturers have shifted reliability and warranty concerns from their pocketbook to the consumers.

      The day of the bathtub curve is over and done.

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    4. Re:Careful with the word "scam" by Splab · · Score: 4, Informative

      The fun thing is they ship the crap stuff to the US and good stuff to EU because we require higher warranties. Here in Denmark for instance they are by law required to show that anything failing within the first 6 months is misuse by the customer. On top of that we get another 1 and a half year where any defects are still considered under warranty, but its up to the user to show that its a faulty product - however, in practice electronic shops grant a full 2 year warranty, with pretty much no questions asked due to the competition.

      So any company selling hardware in Denmark has to take care the stuff works or they will end up having to replace it 2 years down the road, that means the good runs end up here. (A good example is the Samsung F8 series, any model destined for Scandinavia is labeled BDX and comes with on site service per default and are pretty much guaranteed to work for 5+ years)

  4. Kinoki Foot Pads by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've seem some scams recently, but the most amazing has to be Kinoki Foot Pads. Let's ignore the fact that my understanding is the word "kinoki" is meaningless and the characters they use in the ad don't even read "kinoki".

    I'm used to all sorts of pseudo science in TV ads, but this one is downright amazing. Did you know tree roots are used to dispose of chemicals, and that my feet are actually tree roots? I'm so glad someone told me. I especially love the list of conditions that these things can cure. Even if they weren't fake and actually would detoxify you, I seriously doubt it would even touch many of those conditions. I seem to remember reading someone wrapped carrots with the pads just to prove that anything will make them blacken from "toxins".

    The ad id just amazing. I was dumbfounded the first time I saw it. Diet pill ads look like something out of the Mayo Clinic in comparison.

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    1. Re:Kinoki Foot Pads by hedwards · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The issue there is that you can have a disclaimer which says that none of these claims have been evaluated, even if it's not actually legible due the the TV screen resolution.

      The ad agency in general should never have been freed from the earlier regulations. Thanks to the Reagan administration, IIRC, advertising for medications is OK. You can also say whatever you want, as long as there's technically a disclaimer included, even if it's too long or small to be read.

      Advertisers are liars, that's basically their job, and it always has been. The problem is that the watchers would rather watch TV and the cash flow into their bank accounts than actually regulate the industry.

      The infinity razer springs to mind. It supposedly never requires a change of blades ever. Unfortunately, it doesn't break the laws of physics and as such the friction causes the blades to deteriorate. But the company is happy to sell you new blades. A cost which isn't disclosed in the ad, implying that it's free or of minimal cost.

    2. Re:Kinoki Foot Pads by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, (in Japanese, as that pronunciation makes little sense in Chinese), the characters shown on their advertisement read "Tree tree sap", and it makes about as much sense to write it that way in English as it does Japanese. That alone should tell you it's bullshit.

    3. Re:Kinoki Foot Pads by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's ignore the fact that my understanding is the word "kinoki" is meaningless and the characters they use in the ad don't even read "kinoki".

      I think they are going for "ki no ki" (the first "ki" being "tree" and the second "spirit"; US Slashdot doesn't do Kanji, sorry) as in "spirit of trees" or some such. The word on the screen reads "kijoueki" which is "tree sap" (a bit redundant).

    4. Re:Kinoki Foot Pads by AimHere2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You think Kinoki foot pads are a scam? Well, I've got one that may just top that.

      In magazines I've bought off the newsstands, I've seen an ad for a company purporting to have a machine that makes some kind of "enhanced" water, which supposedly has all kinds of miraculous health benefits. They have testimonials from people whose arthritic fingers were freed up, cancers beaten down, and the like. Now, the machine supposedly works by rapidly heating and cooling ordinary water, with the end result being that the angle of the hydrogen bonds is changed to 114 degrees (the natural angle is 104.4). The enhanced water is supposed to somehow be easier for the body to use in fighting disease. They even claim that adding a few drops to whatever else you drink can have healthful benefits.

      Now, the ad doesn't come right out and say what this water processor costs, they instead urge you to write for more information. But, they WILL sell you a bottle of the enhanced health water, in a champaigne-style bottle no less, for something like $30 a pop.

      As absurd as these claims might be, the REALLY sad thing about this is that the magazines they advertise in are SCIENCE -oriented... Science Illustrated, Popular Science, Discover, and others...

      By the way, from what I've read, the machine is little more than a glorified distiller, and the pseudo-science claims of the company have been thoroughly debunked. (One such debunking: http://www.chem1.com/CQ/johnellisbunk.html.)

  5. Water-free water, pay only $9.99 shipping! by krnpimpsta · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It works by blowing a stream of air over two ice packs that you have previously frozen in your freezer." means = "no freon"?

    Well, then I'm also selling water-free water for places that have water shortages. Just add 1 cup of water to the device and you will have an entire cup of water that you can drink!

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    1. Re:Water-free water, pay only $9.99 shipping! by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, then I'm also selling water-free water for places that have water shortages. Just add 1 cup of water to the device and you will have an entire cup of water that you can drink!

      I am not making this up: according to a recent Washington Post story, "Desalinated seawater from Hawaii, meanwhile, is being sold as `concentrated water' -- at $33.50 for a two-ounce bottle. Like any concentrated beverage, it is supposed to be diluted before drinking, except that in this case, that means adding water to . . . water."

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  6. Another scam by SpacePunk · · Score: 2, Informative

    The 'coupon' you can get that covers 40 bucks of the price expires. Sometimes before people can actally find a converter box.

    1. Re:Another scam by wtfispcloadletter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Space punk is speaking out of his ass.

      The coupons last for 90 days

      You can get another one if you let it expire and only got 1 the first time around (you can get 2 per household)

      The coupon lists several places locally where you can get a converter box. My listed 8, 4 Radio Shacks, 2 Wal-Marts, Camping World and a local shop (and a partridge in a pear tree).

      I know for a fact Radio Shack and Wal-Mart have and have had them for awhile now.

      https://www.dtv2009.gov/FAQ.aspx

      Radio Shack also has a friendly page with info. They also have several models in stock online right now and did 4 months ago when I got my coupon.

  7. Re:Maybe the by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real tech scam: you have to upgrade your PC every two years to run the latest and greatest versions of Windows and Office.

  8. Re:Carbon credits by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Informative

    no. CO2 can be removed from the atmosphere without "destroying" anything. plant a tree, that tree takes in CO2, water, nutrients and with light can synthesize organic compounds locked up in the tree its self. no magical violations of laws of physics required.

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  9. Other scams by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't need techobabble to put one over on people ...

    Just look at the erpackaging of crap loans and blessing them with AAA ratings, and the proposal to bail out those who participated in the scam.

    Time was, the three biggest lies were "The check is in the mail", "I'll still love you in the morning", and "I won't come in your mouth."

    Now its "Mission Accomplished!", "Housing prices never go down," and "Jebus loves you- gimme money!"

  10. What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately? by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately?

    Do you mean other than those $60 converter boxs and $40 Government coupons that expire in less than 80 days after people receive them? The coupons are a great deal for the importers and sellers, but in reality the customer ends up paying about whet they would if there were no coupon program, perhaps more when you realize they pay sales tax on the entire ticket price. In a world where I can buy a DVD player in a local store for $29 or less, these much simpler converter boxes should not be costing $60.

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  11. Re:I like Vista by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    and now I have the ability to play games without the horrible FPS that came with Vista.

    Vista comes with a First Person Shooter?

    Let me guess - you score points by killing penguins with thrown chairs, you buy armour by making campaign contributions, and you power up by eating up all the ram chips lying around.

  12. Best Tech Scam by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, the cell phone antenna booster "stickers" were probably the single best tech scam. It combined laughably ineffective "technology" with the always successful price-so-low-it-doesn't-matter-if-they-don't-work.

    More recently, I'm still astounded by the number of "BOOST YOUR MPG!" schemes that involve additives or random crap shoved in your air intake. I especially love the accusations from promoters that the auto manufacturers are in it with the oil companies. GM and Ford are both facing a very real possibility of chapter 11 bankruptcy, and the word is that Cerberus is quietly readying a giant hammer of doom over at Chrysler. If all it took was a $2 piece of metal to get 9 more mpg out of a Malibu, don't you think they'd have done it by now? See the cell phone boosters for the basic premise: if you only charge $40 for one of these things, people won't be too pissed when they find out that it doesn't work.

    There are many MLM schemes that differentiate themselves from the regular Amway crowd by pitching websites that MAKE YOU MONEY. I was actually approached by two different classmates about five years ago regarding the scheme, and it was so comically bad to anyone with any kind of tech knowledge that you couldn't help but laugh. Picture MLM combined with an Amazon-style referral bonus for online purchases. Now charge someone $400 to participate, and charge extra for adding basic things to their company website. Now make sure the websites resemble GeoCities circa 1997. Now we're talking!

    My other favorite is the speaker scam, which someone tried to pull on me about two weeks ago (I hadn't heard of these for years). It's not really a tech scam, just your basic grift that happens to involve technology: an "installer" got an extra set of speakers/surround sound system/plasma TV accidentally loaded in his van for a big install job. Last time this happened, his boss reamed him a new one for not noticing in the first place, then sold them and kept the cash himself. Installer figures he'd "cut out the middleman" and you look like the kind of guy who knows good equipment. Usually they're selling actual speakers or receiver (the plasma scams generally involved an oven door in a box with a window), and they often have some custom-made audio magazine with their brand of speaker on the cover and a great review inside. You end up buying $20 worth of garbage for $200. Dogg Digital and Kirsch were the big names in the white van speaker scam years ago. Google them for an entertaining and depressing look at human nature.

    1. Re:Best Tech Scam by Hollinger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My other favorite is the speaker scam, which someone tried to pull on me about two weeks ago (I hadn't heard of these for years). It's not really a tech scam, just your basic grift that happens to involve technology: an "installer" got an extra set of speakers/surround sound system/plasma TV accidentally loaded in his van for a big install job. Last time this happened, his boss reamed him a new one for not noticing in the first place, then sold them and kept the cash himself.

      They've moved to eBay. A year or two ago, I was trying to find some new speakers. I spent several hours clicking around the various brands and types on eBay, and for kicks (maybe because I'm slightly evil) I'd place a few opening bids on obviously high-end items, knowing I'd lose the auction. The next morning I had "congrats! You've won!" email in my inbox, and an invoice for $78 for a pair of DR-SL-900 speakers. It took me all of 10 minutes to figure out that these were a scam. I offered to pay the relisting fees as a good netizen, expecting something like $5:

      Item: DR-SL-900 HOME THEATER SPEAKERS SURROUND SOUND (5836587072)
      This message was sent after the listing closed.
      ou_mike_hollinger is the winner.

      Hello,

      I just won this pair of speakers. To be honest, I didn't expect to win a $1500+ dollar pair. I thought my bid would be outbid rather quickly.

      Can I just pay your re-listing fees or something? I sell on eBay as well, and hate it when people do this, but someone offered to cover my relisting fees for eBay, which pretty much removed all the expense from my pocket.

      How does that sound to you?

      Sorry for the inconvenience,
      ~ Mike

      And promptly got this note back:

      From: Chrisstfo@aol.com [mailto:Chrisstfo@aol.com]
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:40 AM
      To: mhollinger@ou.edu
      Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #5836587072

      Hi, that would be fine. Please pay $45 asap. Thanks, Chris

      After replying that that was a ripoff, I got back a note detailing the various fees they paid, which totaled $30. Where'd the extra $15 come from? After that, I told them I'd researched the product, and that they could initiate the dead-beat bidder process, so I could take the negative feedback and be on my merry way.

      I got this response:

      Hi, yes it does come out of stock as soon as we list the item. The item is taking down and packaged very well. There is nothing wrong with the products that we sell. Please see our feedback everyone loves them. They are great speakers and we stand behind d them 110%. The sites that you mentioned are all bullshit from people that have no idea what they are talking about. If you would like you could pick up a copy of E_GEAR and see that the speakers where tested by pros and the rated them 5 stars. We spent a lot of time listing them and packaging them. We are very easy to deal with. Please pay what you think is fair and we will leave it @ that. If you would like you can contact us @ 201-450-1145. Thank You, Chris

      I told them "no deal," and they opened an "unpaid item dispute" against me. I put in the dispute that they were a scam, and about an hour later the dispute was closed for the reason: "payment has been received." Hah. I was actually waiting for them to leave me positive feedback...

      So I learned my lesson: Always research before you bid on eBay, even if the bid's not serious. ;-)

    2. Re:Best Tech Scam by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, why would you think they would?

      No fair cutting the previous two sentences out of your quote; you either missed the point that they are directly connected to the sentence you quote or you're being deceptive.

      What is their motivation to spend money they don't have to?

      That the whole "big comfortable ensconced business takes advantage of its overwhelmingly dominant position to screw the consumer" storyline completely fails when it's actually "three big uncomfortable rapidly-dying businesses refusing out of (apparently) sheer-bloody minded hatred for humanity to spend $2 to get 9 more mpg out of their cars, thereby making them more attractive for purchasing and possibly saving their asses, but still holding this magical technology back". (Not my numbers, so don't attack me on the $2 and 9mpg values.)

      It's time for the milage-conspiracy-theorists to update their theories; it is neither in the best interests of the big companies nor the US government to continue to withhold the awesome milage technologies that we've been promised are being suppressed for so many decades anymore. Oooooooooor.... these technologies never existed in the first place. I know which way I would put my money, personally.

      So, what's their motivation to spend money "they don't have to"? How about... they have to or they will die? (And since they can't...)

    3. Re:Best Tech Scam by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My logic as to why they're a scam has nothing to do with their absence on manufactured cars and everything to do with an absence of any proof that they do work.

      Go walk into a dealership, take a look at a $27,000 truck marked down to $18,000 and tell me Americans don't care about fuel efficiency now. In the era of $1.50 gasoline, you're right, Americans didn't give a damn. That ship sailed about 3 years ago.

      Further, American manufacturers have almost no competitive advantage again Japanese and Korean autos, particularly in the sedan market. American cars depreciate like mad, often have to fight an oversupply issue because union contracts force production, and are still widely regarded as less reliable (even when most industry data says that they're about the same). If Ford, GM, or Chrysler could drop a basic sedan with 9 mpg better than a Camry, Accord, or Sonata, you don't think they would?

      If Americans don't care about mileage now, why is the resale value of SUVs and Minivans taking a nosedive while the resale value of compact and subcompacts rise? Why is GM dumping brazillions of dollars into the Volt, a car that some estimate will sell for far more than most Chevys in its size range? Why did Ford bother making a hybrid Escape, or for that matter, why is it one of the best selling hybrids outside of the Prius? Why is the Prius worth mentioning at all - outside of the mileage, it's widely reviled in the automotive press as being a gadget-laden car that can't make up for the fact that it's zero fun to drive for an auto enthusiast. Why does the TDI Volkswagen Jetta still carry resale prices near what it sold for new?

      Maybe Americans DO care about mileage, although it is sad that it took $3 and up gas for them to start caring.

    4. Re:Best Tech Scam by lubricated · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't get it. Why did you offer any money to someone trying to scam you?
      How did you figure out it was a scam, other than the cheap price?
      It all sounds good but the details don't make sense to me.

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    5. Re:Best Tech Scam by hardburn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's tons of money to be made in the audiophile market. Just apply a little creativity along with some technobabble, then price it higher than anybody else. It won't be long before forum posts start praising your products as producing "warmer" sound.

      Some of my favorites:

      • Crygenically frozen cables; basically, dip the cables in liquid nitrogen (which you can get surprisingly easy and cheap), let them thaw, and charge $1000
      • Cable burn-in service; put a sine wave through a cable for a week and only charge $500. For those poor audiophiles who can't afford the cryo treatment. Package deal with cryo treatment for only $1300. Sawtooth waves are an extra $200, or $100 with cryo package. Send your cables back once a year for re-treatment for only $150 per go ($180 for sawtooth waves).
      • Wood block that has been "resonance treated" by sitting under an amp playing classical music for a month, which they then put under their own amp.
      • Claim you have a technology which can improve their sound setup over the phone. Basically, you're charging $100 for the service of processing their credit card.

      I've tried for years to tell these people that these companies are a big scam, but audiophiles are a daft group. I'm about ready to give up the argument and run a scam myself. Someone is making a fortune off them, and it might as well be me.

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    6. Re:Best Tech Scam by mxs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The OP is trying to make himself seem like the good guy in the story. Here is what happened :

      Guy goes to eBay. Guy finds lots of speakers that he thinks are worth lots of moolah. Guy thinks to himself, hey, maybe I can bid low and rip somebody off (legally, $1 auctions have been known to net you high-priced goods whenever christmas and easter fall on the same day). Guy proceeds to bid on stuff with impunity without researching what he's bidding on.

      Guy waits a day.

      Guy actually wins an auction for an item. He didn't bother to read the description and model number the first time. He did not bother to research the item before he placed a bid. Guy thinks he's being scammed because, hey, he actually got an item for the price he bid. Guy is panicking. Guy wants out of this deal. Guy comes up with "They are SCAMMING ! This is not the item I bid on ! This is sub-standard quality gear ! I know, let's be a douchebag and offer to relist the item, I don't want to be held accountable to the bid I entered !"

      Seller, meanwhile, gets annoyed. Since he does not want negative feedback (which is bad, bad stuff on eBay), he tries to work out a deal that is to everybody's satisfaction. Buyer offered to pay relisting, so seller takes the deal. Buyer does not believe the fee. Buyer is getting annoying and costing a lot of money in time spent. Seller offers buyer to pay whatever he deems fair as relisting fee. Buyer declines, frothing at the mouth. Seller initiates dead-beat buyer proceedings, as ANY reputable seller would, seeing as how they are the ones being scammed out of their listing fee.
      Seller ultimately decides to cut their losses and not deal with buyer anymore, not deal with eBay in this matter, not risk negative feedback, and just moves on, writing this off as the cost of doing business.

      Meanwhile, douchebag buyer thinks he's won and really shown them. He hasn't been scammed. The speakers were listed on the eBay listing. He could have researched. Since he feels he is in the righteous right, he posts unanonymized eMails and tries to pass these guys off as scumbags ... I have yet to see any evidence of that. If he had been delivered a box full of bricks, we might have a story. He hasn't.

    7. Re:Best Tech Scam by mxs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your version sounds more accurate.

      And all just from reading his own post :>

      I really have to wonder why the heck people make lowball bids like that anyway. It's a total waste of everyone's time. ESPECIALLY if you're just going to try to back out if your lowball bid wins.

      To go colloquial on your ass : to be a dick. Best case scenario, you just cost the next-highest bidder money. Some people enjoy spending other people's money like that, a lot. This does not only happen on lowball bids ... Sometimes these people will bid very high as a form of a thrillride ... If they win, they will try to back out.

      Lowball bidders = morons.

      Well, not really. The actual moron is the guy who lists an auction with the low price below what he would reasonably sell the item for. Of course eBay encourages you to do this with the fee structure, and psychologically speaking it's easier to hook a bidder that'll go sky-high early with a $1 bid. It is, however, quite dishonest. The seller better sell for lowball prices too if that happens.

      Also, bidders who bid multiple times on the same item instead of using the autobid feature the way it was intended = morons. Unfortunately, there are a HELL of alot of these morons around.

      Well ... More than one school of thought on these; For one thing, you might change what you are willing to pay from one day to the next. This is legitimate. Also, you might want to avoid unscrupulous sellers who have sock puppet accounts driving up the price on their own auctions just to raise the autobid of bidders. This may even be worth eating the eBay fees if you get it wrong, if you do it often enough. And then, of course, it's the same tactic that sniping relies on; don't let other bidders know how high you are willing to go, but try to get the best price with a shot in the final seconds (or slowly increasing nonautobid bids).

  13. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by MMORG · · Score: 5, Informative

    The freezer removes heat from the icepack and dumps it into the room (plus extra, because of the work done). Then you take the icepack out of the freezer, put it in the "room cooling" device, where it takes heat from the room and puts it back into the icepack. Net result, your room is hotter than it was before. In order to get a net cooling effect, you have to dump the heat into a separate system that you don't care about (like outside). That's why air conditioners have vents to the outside.

  14. Bathtub Curve by msgmonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Retailers love to offer 5 year extended warranty because of the Bathtub Curve.

    Basically if a product does n't fail within one year then the probability it failing within five year years is very very low.

    This curve applies very well to consumer electronics with the added advantage that they depreciate in value quickly too.

    1. Re:Bathtub Curve by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Worry less about bad capacitors, and more about problems with solder joints due to RoHS standards. Also Google "tin whiskers".

  15. The cooler is not a scam by totalnubee · · Score: 3, Informative

    That type of cooler is called an evaporative or swamp cooloer. It's no air conditioner, but it can be effective in some cases and is definitely not a tech scam.

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  16. Re:Maybe the by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check this out: when I was working as a film-developing monkey for a large drugstore chain, we had a computer dedicated to downloading pictures from a VERY well-known maker of disposable cameras. One day, the tech had to come in to upgrade the computer so that it could dowload pictures from bluetooth devices. The tech opened up the computer and explained to me that he had to remove a piece of "epoxy"(which was a small blob of harmless rubber cement on the mainboard) which clearly obstructed nothing ad served no purpose whatsoever. Then, he put in a driver CD to enable bluetooth functionality. It was absurd! Why crack the box open at all? My guess was to rationalize an obscene price by making a simple driver install an illusion of a "ZOMG hardware surgery performed by a engineer".

    Absurd.

  17. Re:I like Vista by Nightspirit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My laptop with vista is noticeably faster than my desktop with XP (with the exception of network transfer speed), even though they have the same specs (2.1ghz core 2 duo, 2gb ram. The desktop has a better videocard).

    For me at least XP seems to get much slower with age while vista does not do so. Yah, a fresh install of XP is blinding fast, even more so than Ubuntu IMO, but after several weeks just slows to a crawl (yah I scandisk, reg clean, defrag, spyware/virus check, etc) while Vista takes a couple days to get fast (due to indexing and prefetching, or whatever they call it).

  18. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Be carefull about moving the radiator portion of the fidge outside. A heat pump has to work harder the more against the gradient the tempature differential you are tring to create is. The compressor system in your fridge is designed to run lots of short cycles, where as the AC unit on your house is designed for few longer cycles.

    If you fridge can't pump much heat because its trying to exhaust the heat into an 90F+ world and its going to be running constantly. It might not last long in that configuration.

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  19. Re:Extended warranties suck except where they dont by philipgar · · Score: 3, Informative

    One thing that can make extended warranties worthwhile is that the cost to repair a broken item is much higher to you than it is to the company offering the warranty. For instance, if you have a laptop and something on the logic board breaks, you can easily spend $400 finding a replacement logic board. However the company making the machine really spends less than $200 on it (probably far less than that). The issue is that they are the only source of replacement parts, the whole vendor lock-in problem.

    I've learned my lesson, and now buy extended warranties on laptops. The extended warranty on my Macbook has more than paid for itself already, and in the end got me an upgrade to a model released a year and a half after I bought mine. Hopefully I don't need to use the warranty again, but it's very nice knowing I don't have to worry about it. Plus, while it might be cheaper to repair some things on your own, you really need to value your time on getting something fixed. How long does it take to find the parts, a place to fix it etc. How long will your item be out of commission. It's quite convenient to call one number and get a box to return the item in the next day.

    Phil

  20. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by EdIII · · Score: 2, Informative

    Am I completely off base?

    Yes.

    So, if I have spare room in my freezer and it's already running 24/7, does it take more energy if there's more items in it?

    Yes it does take more energy.

    I assume freezers operate based on cooling the air to, say, -5C. If that's the case, if something has a high specific heat (like water) it doesn't take more energy for it to cool it, it just takes longer for it to cool.

    So, that ice-pack AC-like machine would use less electricity (if you don't use your freezer for food)?

    The ice-pack AC would take more electricity, not less. You need to add in the electrical usage of the fans on the "super advanced product".

    Not that it's so practical since you'd constantly need to be changing and refreezing the packs, but it might be greener in that respect. Of course, getting a smaller freezer would probably be even greener.

    It's not greener. Not even close.

    Your freezer just exchanges heat. From what I remember about thermodynamics, heat "moves to where it isn't". Basically, what that means is that you if put in one of those billion degree Hot Pockets straight out the microwave into the freezer and wait long enough all the heat energy in the Hot Pocket distributes itself throughout the rest of the freezer. The Hot Pocket reaches equilibrium with the rest of the items in the freezer. Now maybe there is more to it than that, such as specific heats and what not, but like I said these are the basics that I am remembering.

    After you put the Hot Pocket into the freezer, the whole freezer might raise a couple degrees over time. Once it raises to a certain temperature, the freezer starts up and starts blowing air around inside of it and starts to "pump" the heat from inside the freezer to the outside. That is why if you feel the back of your refrigerator/freezer at some points it is hot.

    In order to "pump" the heat it has to use something like freon, a compressor, electricity, etc. The amount of electricity used depends on how efficient the whole unit is. Guess what the difference is between your house A/C and a refrigerator? There is no difference. Your freezer works exactly the same way your A/C works on your house.

    The amount of energy used to "pump" all the heat out of two large ice packs is more than likely where they are trying to get the 60-watt bulb analogy. That is not good at all, considering that we should all be buying the eco-friendly 13-watt equivalents now.

    Basically, that "environmentally friendly super advanced tech" is just outsourcing the cooling job to your freezer and then those ice packs are "pulling" the heat out of the air thereby lowering the surrounding temperature for a short period of time. Depending on how good the insulation is for your house, the heat from the outside of your house will work it's way in and raise the temperature back up. What is even more absurd is that your freezer is in your house. So when you put the ice packs back in the freezer, that heat will be "pumped" out of the ice packs back into your kitchen.

    Your house A/C actually acts like a relay for your kitchen refrigerator. Your refrigerator has a LOT better insulation on it and will keep heat from getting inside. It also pumps any existing heat (from the items) to the outside of the refrigerator raising the temperature of your house. Your house A/C then pumps that heat outside of your house.

    So in this particular instance, that super product is actually passing the heat to your fridge which is then passing the heat to your house A/C. How on earth is that more efficient? It's not.

    That was just a very good Marketing/Con job.

  21. Re:Carbon credits by mazarin5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once the tree dies, its carbon goes right back into the air.

    Is spontaneous combustion a big problem for trees in you area?

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  22. Re:I like Vista by peragrin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think I hear coders working on that right now in flash just because.

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  23. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's an old unit of measurement for heat transfer called 'tons'. You don't see it around much anymore, due to the switch to units like btu.hr or kWh. But it would be really useful to bring it back for things such as this.

    "1 ton" is the amount of heat needed to melt 1 ton of ice in a 24 hour period,or about 3.5kWh.
    Your typical car air-conditioner, or big-ish room A/C, has a cooling capacity of about 2.5 tons.

    The reason a ton is useful is that people know how fast ice melts. They know (roughly) that a ton is a heckuva lot of ice. When you tell them your A/C is a "2 ton unit" they can then get an idea of how much energy is used - a lot more than just mentioning a figure in kW.

    Sooooooo....How much ice is in those cooling blocks? A kilo or two?The only possible real effect is that it might temporarily de-humidify the air in your room a little due to condensation on the ice blocks, giving the impression that it is "somewhat" cooler.

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  24. Audiophile Hardware by Dr.Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm going to get all the /. audiophiles offside with this, but whatever. Some of the stuff targeted at audio pimpers is truly ridiculous. See http://www.ilikejam.org/blog/audio/audiophile.html For example:
    • The CD stop light pen: A giant disregard of optics leads people to believe that the probe light "goes somewhere in the CD" and needs to be trapped.
    • Audio-pimp cables: Yes, a good cable with decent materials and a well engineered, within spec connector will help with sound. Some of these audiophile connectors, however, provide no discernible or even measurable benefit. Certainly not for the cost required.
    • My favorite, the volume knob: A turned wooden knob. Ha ha, knob. This may be aesthetically pleasing to some, but to claim it has anything to do with audio quality is just wrong.

    These audiophile things offend me. I realize some people like to mess with their hardware to make it look pretty in their eyes (ricers, for example) but to claim such "behind-the-scenes" hardware mods do anything except drain the bank accounts of the ignorant is beyond the pale and simply a scam perpetrated by those who know better.

    1. Re:Audiophile Hardware by ikkonoishi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats nothing.
      http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/

      You save $49.75!!!

      Check out the user reviews.

      If I could use a rusty boxcutter to carve a new orifice in my body that's compatible with this link cable, I would already be doing it. I can just imagine the pure musical goodness that would flow through this cable into the wound and fill me completely -- like white, holy light. Holding this cable in my hands actually makes me feel that much closer to the Lord Jesus Christ. I only make $6.25/hr at Jack In The Box, but I saved up for three months so I could have this cable. It sits in a shrine I constructed next to my futon in Mother's basement.

      I only gave it four stars in my review because I can't find music that is worthy enough to flow through this utterly perfect interconnect.

  25. Heat pumps work both ways. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2, Informative

    Heat pumps can move far more heat than the energy they consume doing it. So much so, that people are now using them to warm their homes, as well as cool them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_source_heat_pump

    AC is expensive because people design houses and offices with giant windows which both let the sunshine in and keep the heat from getting out. And then build them in Texas.

    1. Re:Heat pumps work both ways. by jbengt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      AC is expensive because people design houses and offices with giant windows which both let the sunshine in and keep the heat from getting out. And then build them in Texas.

      Boy, you got that right.
      I worked on the HVAC design of a big modern house in the Dallas/Ft Worth suburbs (summer design temperature 105F/40C). It had a Great Room with a 12 ft high, 60 ft long glass window (the entire wall, floor to ceiling) facing West, overlooking a reflecting pool. (not much reflief from the hot afternoon sun in that layout) The building had lots of windows, skylights, glass elevator, glass stairs, even some glass floors. Interesting design, but about 3 times the A/C you would otherwise expect for a house that size.
      To be fair, it didn't inefficiently pump the heat to the hot outside air, but had a system of water-source heat pumps using ground-tempered water pumped in a closed loop through about sixteen 150 ft deep wells. (the architect refused to have visible condensing units for cooling or gas vents/chimneys for heating)

  26. Re:I like Vista by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    My laptop with vista is noticeably faster than my desktop with XP (with the exception of network transfer speed), even though they have the same specs

    I don't believe you.

    For me at least XP seems to get much slower with age while vista does not do so.

    Yes it's a well-known bug in XP that the code get tired after several weeks of use because there's a qi-leak.

    Now, why not take that weak shit to the park? Maybe the squirrels will believe it.

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  27. Hey, who can forget... by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...laser rot? You could buy a green Magic Marker for about $20, paint the edges of your CDs with it, and not worry about the laser rotting the bits off.

    Or the $400 Denon Cat5 cable only last week?

    And there was a $10 gadget heavily advertised in general-interest magazines in the Seventies, especially Sunday supplements, that was designed to LOOK as if you could pirate cable TV with it. You just hooked it up to the antenna terminals on your TV and presto, you would get "the same type of programs you'd get on cable" -- i.e., sports, movies, news -- but you wouldn't have to pay monthly bills "because you're not getting cable!" What it was, was a rabbit-ears antenna with a plastic disk in the middle shaped like a dish antenna.

    The prose in the ad was a masterpiece of subtlety. There was not a single misstatement of fact in it, but innumerable people read as a pitch for something like the pirate HBO setups that were in the news then.

    rj

  28. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by JebusIsLord · · Score: 3, Informative

    Specifically, swamp coolers work because of the energy (heat) absorbed in the phase change from liquid water to vapour. Changing a litre of liquid water to vapour, with no temperature change, requires that siginificant energy must be added to the system.

    Another way to look at it, is that a given quantity of liquid water has the same specific heat as a much cooler quantity of vapour.

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  29. Re:Carbon credits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure if you're serious or not, so I'll explain. When you buy a carbon credit, it doesn't remove CO2. Duh. What it does is increase the demand (and therefore the price) of carbon credits. Then, polluting factories that *have* to buy these things to continue operating are forced to pay more for them. At some point the price of having to buy carbon credits outweighs the price of just buying cleaner machinery/power plants/etc. The point of the whole carbon credit system is to use "free market forces" to achieve a goal (cleaner factories) by causing an artificial shortage (of carbon credits).

  30. Re:Another irrational MS Hater by Maxmin · · Score: 3, Informative

    You seem to be misreading my point, coward -- I use Windows every day, at work and home (where it runs under Parallels on my Macbook.) Lots of great software runs under it, the benefits are tangible and positive.

    Vista, however, was marketed as a speedy, pretty *new* O/S. I'd expected a redesigned kernel to do better than it actually does.

    I've been programming and using computers since teletype days (jr. high anyways.) That O/Sen require so much horsepower bothers me so. The Vista upgrade at work ran too slow on my core2duo Dell laptop, so I downgraded to XP, sadly. Yes, even OS X runs slower than I'd like. There's always Linux for compute-intensive jobs, however.

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  31. kquade by kquade · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q: What's the best tech scam you've heard of lately? A: Windows Vista.

  32. Free project boxes! by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have you requested your free converter box from Uncle Sam yet? I certainly have! And no, I don't receive over-the-air television ... I've got DirecTV and I'm quite happy with it. But with the coupons, I can get a couple of free boxes with power supplies and RF modulators in them ... quite nice for various geek projects! One of them will probably be fitted as a simple RF modulator appliance so my son can play video games on his TV which only has an antenna input. The other ... who knows? Who cares? It's free! (More accurately, it's already paid for; it doesn't even begin to make up for the thousands of dollars the government steals from me each year.)

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  33. Re:Why I wish I knew more science by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Informative

    As I understand it a swamp cooler does not pump any heat outside. When a liquid evaporates it cools itself and the surrounding substances. Thus a swamp cooler pumps dry outside air through wet surfaces. The moist air that comes out is cooler than the dry air that comes in. This cool air is then sent into the house.

  34. Concentrated Water by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny
    From the Seattle Times: Buying bottled water: Should you feel guilty -- or trendy?
    (and probably other places) ...

    Desalinated seawater from Hawaii, meanwhile, is being sold as "concentrated water" -- at $33.50 for a two-ounce bottle. Like any concentrated beverage, it is supposed to be diluted before drinking, except that in this case, that means adding water to ... water.

    [ Yes, people really are that stupid. ]

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  35. biggest tech scam-digital bits by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Treating easily replicated digital bits exactly the same as tangible commodities, by (relatively) newly written laws and by industry practice, creating a purely artificial scarcity business model.

    Digital copying is a huge game changing tech advancement, and society has fallen flat on dealing with it. It is one of the few "star trek" level tech advances in the past few generations, yet we can see that business society has freaked out, it made a lot of the older practices virtually unneeded, and wants both to be able to use this tech freely for themselves, and also to be able to restrict it to others, entirely in their favor following the old and now obsolete so called "laws" of supply and demand as they might pertain to such products today. There is the potential for unlimited and "so close to free it doesn't matter" supply now, so they are trying to restrict it through DRM and laws and lawsuits such as they can still extract the same (or more) level of profits "per unit" as when back in the day they had to actually publish a dead trees book or stamp out a vinyl album, etc.

        What will we be seeing when we can do such replication as easy with tangible objects, if we can't even embrace and adapt to digital copies? This effort is not only ill conceived it should be *embarassing* to humanity in general, why it is even contemplated. We all should be enjoying the big freedom to freely share and share alike and have a huge expensive burden of transferring knowledge and culture from each of us and to all of us removed from our backs so we can concentrate on the next tech hurdles that could ultimately lead to humans being able to universally exist without a huge amount of drudgery and dangerous labor. Isn't that some sort of goal anyway?

      It won't happen all at once, but every time we lick a major tech problem, like we have with copies of this or that chunk of knowledge or culture, why should we -or even allow- go out of our way to create an additional problem just to perpetuate the old problem, which has been solved now? This is illogical and makes no long view historical sense. Unless we want the space aliens to start calling this the planet of the buggywhip traders (part of the embarrassing part)

    disclaimer: all I can do is not be hypocritical about it. I have a ton of digital stuff on the net over the past decade, if anyone thinks it might be useful (stop laffing!), take a copy share a copy, go for it. I work ag in meatspace, I encourage everyone who is so inclined to get seeds and "grow their own copies", use open pollinated so you can share copy making potential, go for it, feed yourself and the planet as cheaply and nutritiously as possible, leading to all free someday when the tech gets better. I seek no DRM restrictions or patents or any of that other nonsense on your ability or desire to produce your own food, even if that means I might theoretically make less, I'll be much happier once everyone is fed for cheap or free, and will go on to do something else. And that's the best I think I can do right now with voluntary sharing.

  36. Re:I like Vista by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used it for about 4 hours

    Stop.

    Back in the fricking' BETA, Vista would run fairly sluggishly for the first day or so, as it indexed every file you've got. Then, it ran more or less at a constant speed.

    If you want to give Vista a test, give it at LEAST a week.

    Now, it runs great, and uses about 2/3 the ram that was being consumed by Vista

    Wait... you know enough to check the RAM, but not enough to do a google search for Vista using too much ram?.

    (Hint: Vista is your memory manager. Why should it waste cycles loading and un-loading files so you can have "free" ram when it can just, you know, keep some in memory until a program actually asks for the space?)

  37. Re:Carbon credits by wik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Been to northern California recently?

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  38. Clarins Expertise 3P Spray by blueharv · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Clarins Expertise 3P spray ranks up there in the top bracket on my list of tech scams. http://www.strangeharvest.com/mt/archive/the_harvest/spray_on_magnet_1.php Here's some of the juice on the spray... "An ultra-sheer screen mist containing a pioneering combination of plant extracts capable of protecting the skin from the accelerated-ageing effects of all indoor and outdoor air pollution but most significantly, the effects of Artificial Electromagnetic Waves." Apparently the British government didn't take too kindly to the marketing of the product.

  39. Re:What's the best tech scam you've heard of latel by Detritus · · Score: 2, Informative

    They aren't "much simpler". An ATSC tuner is a very complex device. Only recently have chipsets with good performance and low cost become available.

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  40. This one website by British · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...that you can 'subscribe to'(for money) to get links to tech stories earlier than the non-subscribers. Yes, paying for links to other stories, earlier than anyone else would see it.

    Like really, who the heck would pay for THAT? :)

  41. Re:I like Vista by setagllib · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Broken window fallacy, look it up

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  42. Re:Maybe the by iwein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then, he put in a driver CD to enable bluetooth functionality. It was absurd! Why crack the box open at all? My guess was to rationalize an obscene price by making a simple driver install an illusion of a "ZOMG hardware surgery performed by a engineer".

    He would have to check if there was any hardware to install drivers for now wouldn't he?

    Since you probably didn't bother to check if the price was reasonable either, nor if that which he needed to remove obstructed the slot he needed to stick the bluetooth card in, i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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  43. Re:Another irrational MS Hater by iwein · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's always Linux for compute-intensive jobs, however.

    Well, I'm running Ubuntu Hardon at home where it is mainly used by my wife for browsing purposes. I reasoned that for browsing the web you don't need more than the AMD 3200+ 1gb I put in there.

    Strangely it manages to get completely swamped with talking to my wireless router when I take it far enough away from it.

    I confess that I probably managed to screw with it and I should just do a clean install like I used to to with windows; it is just some anecdotal evidence to the point that you can slow down any box running any OS.

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  44. Re:Maybe the by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uh, perhaps the bluetooth card was already installed. Suppose their customer(my employer at the time) decided to add bluetooth functionality afterward. And, if the blob was obstructing the slot as you suggested, then why would a bluetooth slot be purposely obstructed? That's still shady(though not at all surprising).

  45. Solar Powered Clothes Drier by spcma · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone, somewhere paid $25 dollars for a solar powered clothes drier: 10 feet of rope.

  46. Tech Scam: Pure Water by st33med · · Score: 2, Funny
    I see this ad in one of my mags. It says that the bottled water is even more unhealthy than smoking...

    (If so, why haven't I died yet?)

    There water is so pure that it cures diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis.

    (So, this water can reach my brain???) Their purifying machine even unclogged sewage.

    (Haven't heard about this on the news...)

    They even said the secret is that the bonding angle is at a perfect 104 degree angle compared to other water.

    (FYI, that is the normal angle...)

    Also, they say don't listen to the doctors or other people because they are JEALOUS

    (OK, so, how jealous are they over your water...?)

    I read the ad because I was just bored... :)

  47. Spells over the web by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is my most recent favorite: http://www.fastspells.com/

    It's a pretty standard web shopping cart system, where you buy spells. Not that you can perform, mind you. You're paying for them to do hoodoo. No proof or anything, but they do guarantee their work.

    My favorite part is that they link out to a review site, ratethecaster.com, an independent site that says how good they are. Which just happens to be on the same IP.

    BEST SCAM EVAR!!!

  48. Dasani concentrate by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There really is "Dasani concentrate". "Dasani" is purified tap water to which some minerals have been added. The mineral mix is sold to bottlers by the Coca-Cola Company in Atlanta. This is the standard Coca-Cola business model; Coke works the same way.

  49. Re:Carbon credits by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Informative

    It seems to violate the law of thermodynamics in that CO2 molecules are destroyed somehow, and proves itself to be very unscientific.

    I suspect you of trolling, as I'm not sure anybody could really be that retarded. But just in case:

    Most carbon credits come from emitting less. Say you've got an industrial plant with a big furnace, one that emits X CO2 per year. Then you improve energy efficiency, so you're now emitting X/2 CO2. You can just be happy with your contribution to terraforming earth. Or you can sell your emissions reduction to somebody else who has a harder time reducing their CO2 emissions. They will have bought a carbon credit.

    Another approach is sequestration, where you take the CO2 and get rid of it. Some of this does involve destroying CO2 molecules, which is perfectly scientific. Destroying mass is pretty hard, and destroying atoms isn't easy, either. But destroying molecules is so easy that I'm doing it right now. For sequestration, one might destroy CO2 while creating calcium carbonate.

    If you want to be less publicly idiotic in the future, try Wikipedia before posting:

  50. Not so fast by aepervius · · Score: 3, Informative

    The reason a ton is useful is that people know how fast ice melts. They know (roughly) that a ton is a heckuva lot of ice. When you tell them your A/C is a "2 ton unit" they can then get an idea of how much energy is used - a lot more than just mentioning a figure in kW.

    I have NO IDEA on how fast ice melt, and I am a physicist (*). I bet whatever you want the average joe on the street won't have an idea either. As for knowing a ton is huge... Well no shit sherlock. Does that help your average A/C unit buyer ? Not at all. On the other hand, 3.5 kwh means I know how much I will pay on my next electricity bill (which are not counted in tons). And that tell 95% of the world how much energy will the A/C unit consume. And I bet your average US consumer would be more happier knowing one A/C consume 3.5 kwh than 2 tons for the same aforementioned reason. Combine that with a clearly defined efficiency and you are all set.

    (*) but I can talk to your hours long about boring forbidden transition n-sigma*

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  51. Re:I like Vista by Coppit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the troll's defense, XP does suffer from disk fragmentation. In the past I've either moved to 64KB clusters or ran JKDefrag nightly. Is Vista better in this regard?

  52. Re:I like Vista by psychodelicacy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm in the same position - my old laptop started pouring smoke, and since I'm in the middle of finishing up my doctoral thesis I needed to replace it pronto, which meant an off-the-shelf with Vista installed. I was really wary, but actually find I like it. I would have been annoyed to have to install it on my old and vastly slower machine, but since this one has much better hardware and runs much faster than XP did on the other, I'm quite happy.

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