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Linux For Housewives. XP For Geeks.

Talinom writes "ZDNet has an article sure to raise the hackles of any self-respecting geek. They report that housewives buying small laptops like the Asus EE are causing Linux usage for that demographic to spike. A reporter for Tech-On states that 'Retailers and contract manufacturers in Taiwan say that novice PC users there, like students and housewives, tend to buy the Linux version of the Eee PC701, while geeks go for Windows XP.'"

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  1. I 4 1 by Mipoti+Gusundar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I 4 1 amd welcomming our new script bashing apron wearing apple pie bakeing overlady's!

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    1. Re:I 4 1 by Rinisari · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would mod that comment up if the spelling wasn't so terrible.

    2. Re:I 4 1 by sensei+moreh · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd mod you up, but then I couldn't comment on your post :)

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    3. Re:I 4 1 by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Funny

      I will mod you up as soon as I'm done baking some cookies.

  2. Not sure it applies here as much by jeiler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taiwan culture is not US culture, of course. I imagine that even Geek culture is different between the two cultures.

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    1. Re:Not sure it applies here as much by Icarium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's interesting to observer how the mere mention of the word 'geek' on /. is automatically assumed to mean someone who has at least an interest in IT.

      Geeks were around before computers. Not all geeks are IT savvy, not all IT savvy people are geeks.

  3. Hmm.. by iXiXi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I am not sure that housewives can't be geeks. Maybe they confuse geeks that are buying XP with idiots? I wouldn't think that a true 'geek' would give a rat's buttocks about what OS came on the hardware. I put what I want on there when I get home.

    1. Re:Hmm.. by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exploits of a Mom. XKCD has a comic for everything ;-)

    2. Re:Hmm.. by cmacb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe they confuse geeks that are buying XP with idiots?

      A perfectly natural thing to do.

  4. Reasoning? by LightPhoenix7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article was short on details (aside from the study being in Taiwan), but my guess would be that the "geeks" are the ones playing video games, and unfortunately most of the big titles are constrained to Windows. On the other hand, a computer you're only using for e-mail and web browsing should opimally be as cheap as possible, and you certainly don't get cheaper on an OS than free.

  5. My girlfriend has got an eee by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    She loves it because it fits in her hand bag, "it runs linux eh? what's linux? It does what I need it to do and it's cuuuttteee"

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    1. Re:My girlfriend has got an eee by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this shows that Linux is now usable for non-geeks when preinstalled. Many of those users wouldn't be able to reinstall their Windows either ;-)

      There is still a lot of software that is only available for Windows (in particular games), but the OS itself is just as usable as Windows.

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    2. Re:My girlfriend has got an eee by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice troll, but I'll explain the difference to all the previous Linux installations:

      Among geeky types, it was already widely believed that Ubuntu (for instance) is just as easy to setup and use as Windows. But those people already have computer knowledge which may help them over some points where a non-geek may feel stumped. So they do not exactly represent the average user.

      Computers that come preinstalled with Linux have been rare, and this is the first time lots of them get into the hands of non-experts. So people like GP's girlfriend are the real test of how newbie-friendly linux is. One of them is anecdotal, lots of them make a valid test. Give it a few months and both your and my post will be irrelevant because the results of the test are out.

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  6. Windows by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't know that the day would come, when I would feel more unfamiliar (didn't say uncomfortable - but I guess that's coming, too, with Vista (oh yeah, I don't intend to move to Vista - ever)) in Windows than in Linux. But, alas, that day has come and now I have no clue how to troubleshoot Windows anymore. It's just way too arcane and complicated. In Linux and Solaris I know how to at least start troubleshooting, and then I can search the 'net for specific keywords (error messages, log entries, etc.). Some of this could probably be done with Windows as well, but I just find the "whole experience" of troubleshooting it, more hairy and unsettling.

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    1. Re:Windows by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

      But, alas, that day has come and now I have no clue how to troubleshoot Windows anymore.

      Silly, you don't troubleshoot Windows anymore.

      First, you reboot.

      If that fails to fix the problem, you roll back to the last restore point.

      If that fails, you reinstall from the recovery partition.

      And if even that fails, you call it a hardware failure and buy a new one.



      Troubleshoot... Kids these days, sheesh.

  7. It's a No Brainer! :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Housewives are used to getting the products that have the best cost-benefit ratio.

    The Eee is a machine that provides wireless web browsing and email, instant messaging, etc.

    And it's cheaper without XP.

    It's a no-brainer then.

    As for why do geeks prefer XP? I can speak for myself and say that I thoroughly know the beast, it is a pleasure to google for the most wild assed software/driver you can think of and find that due to the widespread presence of the thing, pretty sure SOMEONE has gone through the same ordeal as you, and has posted a workaround.
    It works, and given current hardware configurations and provided that you configure it properly, it is FAST.

    I know it is light years away from an elegant OS from an academic's point of view, but I rather have XP on an Eee and be open to all the possibilities of interaction with other peripherals (oh, how our choice of words reveal one's age) than spending time tweaking linux.

    1. Re:It's a No Brainer! :-) by neildiamond · · Score: 5, Funny

      Housewives are used to getting the products that have the best cost-benefit ratio.

      You aren't married are you?

  8. Yes and? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bough the 701 4G a few months ago. My father in law liked it so much, and after hearing the price, ordered two for his kids: 4yo and 12yo. (Kids from his second wife: I'm not married to a 4yo or 12yo).

    Anyway, I'm surprised to hear the geeks take the XP version. I'm actually quite happy with the default Xandros install. It even has perl, ruby and python for crying out loud!

  9. MMmmmm... Housewives!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux... housewives? Only cheesy pr0n can result. "I'm here to repair your Linux install ma'am. OOohh, I see the problem right here. I just need to $unzip this and $touch that. Now let's $fsck!" ~Bow chica wow wow~

    1. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by rmadmin · · Score: 5, Funny

      MMM.. Milfs on linux..

      I think we may have spawned a whole new genre of geeky pr0n. Personally I'll wait for "I_banged_my_friends_sister_while_she_recompiled_her_kernel.mpg". :)

    2. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      you forgot about finger and mount

    3. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by everett · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tad bit nuts, or the inventor of a filesystem with a russian bride. (Too soon?)

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    4. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by Hordeking · · Score: 5, Funny

      MMM.. Milfs on linux.. I think we may have spawned a whole new genre of geeky pr0n. Personally I'll wait for "I_banged_my_friends_sister_while_she_recompiled_her_kernel.mpg". :)

      I recompiled your mom's kernel! Oh, and I have root access to your sister. BAM!

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    5. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by sohp · · Score: 5, Funny

      I haven't heard of milfs. How does it compare to jfs or reiserfs?

    6. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by psergiu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do not put reiserfs and milfs on the same box. The former one will get lost.

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    7. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by digitalsolo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I belive you mean the latter (milfs) will get lost. The former (reiserfs) will simply lose all references to what happened to the latter (milfs).

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    8. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, actually the latter will be lost for a few months until the former reveals its location but the retrieved data will be pretty corrupt.

  10. Re:BLASPHEMY! by CKW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No no, this makes perfect sense.

    Housewives don't play video games and download a bajillion "utilities". Geeks do.

    Housewives want to browse the web and use e-mail, and have a stable safe system.

    Geeks love the chaos and security challenges that is posed by Windows.

  11. Get back in the kitchen! by jeebusroxors · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wimins? On computers? What will they try next....

  12. Re:hmm by foniksonik · · Score: 5, Funny

    uh... you're supposed to get a Mac if you want to feel like an elitist-asshole... duh. Preferably a Macbook Air with solid state drive... $5000 or so... then install Linux on it.

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  13. Re:BLASPHEMY! by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    My mom's been using it for ages, I don't really get all the hassle now...

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  14. Re:BLASPHEMY! by pembo13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have to say, a stable Linux distro can be pretty boring. I like Fedora though, they throw in little quirks every now and then to make it all interesting.

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  15. Re:BLASPHEMY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    the Windows version is cheaper, or so I've heard.

    You heard *very* wrong.

    When comparing identical hardware, the Windows version is much more expensive. When you look at the model numbers, the Linux and Windows versions are the same price, but the Linux version comes with a much larger SSD.

  16. Re:BLASPHEMY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been living this reality for awhile now. My parents and grandparents use Ubuntu (I forced/tricked it onto them), and are getting along just fine. When it comes to basic computer use, Linux has been ready for the Desktop for about a two years. I myself cannot stand using it, since all the weird apps I use only work with Windows. I like Linux, but it is the applications that are important, not the operating system.

  17. Re:BLASPHEMY! by LandDolphin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look at the Product Features:

    Internal 4GB SSD based Hard Drive
    Intel 900Mhz Mobile ULV 512MB DDR2 Memory
    Intel 910GML Chipset
    7" LCD screen with 800x480 pixels resolution
    10/100 LAN WiFi b/g
    Built-in 300k pixel webcam
    Built-in stereo speaker and microphone
    Interfaces include SD card slot, 3x USB 2.0, Mic and Headphone Jack, VGA Out
    Ultimate Speed - 10 Sec Bootup, 5 Sec Shutdown
    Windows XP compatible
    Optional USB Based External Optical Drive
    Optional Carry Case
    3 hours of battery life
    Measures (WxHxD) 225 x 21-35 x 165 mm
    Weighs 890g


    Who is "video games and download a bajillion 'utilities'", geek or housewife? That is unless your talking about games from 1998.

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  18. Re:BLASPHEMY! by spymagician · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the Asus EEE mini laptops actually come with a Linux distro pre-installed, I'd have to say your theory is critically flawed. They're buying the LAPTOP not the OS. It's incidental that the laptop has a Linux distro on it.

  19. Re:BLASPHEMY! by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have you been a housewife all this time without realizing it?

  20. I Admit That I Would Have To Think Twice by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I use Linux most of the time, my job at work centres on securing telecoms applications servers that invariably run Linux - but I also recognise XP fills a lot of the needs that Linux cannot just like XP cannot fulfill my needs for writing scripts and programming at the shell prompt.

    But the fact is, I have two PDAs that are Windows based and for synchronising calendars and emails, for the moment it has to be Outlook and Activesync to do that.

    I also spend a lot of time minimising the footprint of XP as much as possible - I truly hate with a passion the default XP UI but I've used "Classic Explorer" for years now & can live with that.

    Then I get XPLite, strip out the MS-provided apps that I never use and stick on my favourite free stuff like VLC, Media Player Classic, Firefox, Notepad++, The Gimp and a few others. And once I've thrown PuTTY on, I can SSH to my home server wherever I can get a low bandwidth Internet connection if I need my shell prompt.

    To be honest, I've always thought of a geek as someone who just tries to find the best software to do the job he/she needs to and there's plenty of free or Open Source apps on Linux and Windows that are useful tools to have.

    Yes, Linux does most of the stuff I need to do with computers and one day it would be nice to be able to just use one OS - but XP fills the gaps quite well and apart from a bit of extra time administrating more OSes on my PCs, I'm pretty happy with my whole computing experience.

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