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Linux For Housewives. XP For Geeks.

Talinom writes "ZDNet has an article sure to raise the hackles of any self-respecting geek. They report that housewives buying small laptops like the Asus EE are causing Linux usage for that demographic to spike. A reporter for Tech-On states that 'Retailers and contract manufacturers in Taiwan say that novice PC users there, like students and housewives, tend to buy the Linux version of the Eee PC701, while geeks go for Windows XP.'"

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  1. BLASPHEMY! by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Housewives with Linux??!?! Geeks with Windows?!?! Dogs and cats living together?!?!? MASS HYSTERIA!!

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    1. Re:BLASPHEMY! by CKW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No no, this makes perfect sense.

      Housewives don't play video games and download a bajillion "utilities". Geeks do.

      Housewives want to browse the web and use e-mail, and have a stable safe system.

      Geeks love the chaos and security challenges that is posed by Windows.

    2. Re:BLASPHEMY! by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      My mom's been using it for ages, I don't really get all the hassle now...

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    3. Re:BLASPHEMY! by pembo13 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have to say, a stable Linux distro can be pretty boring. I like Fedora though, they throw in little quirks every now and then to make it all interesting.

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    4. Re:BLASPHEMY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      the Windows version is cheaper, or so I've heard.

      You heard *very* wrong.

      When comparing identical hardware, the Windows version is much more expensive. When you look at the model numbers, the Linux and Windows versions are the same price, but the Linux version comes with a much larger SSD.

    5. Re:BLASPHEMY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have been living this reality for awhile now. My parents and grandparents use Ubuntu (I forced/tricked it onto them), and are getting along just fine. When it comes to basic computer use, Linux has been ready for the Desktop for about a two years. I myself cannot stand using it, since all the weird apps I use only work with Windows. I like Linux, but it is the applications that are important, not the operating system.

    6. Re:BLASPHEMY! by dave420 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can upgrade from Windows 3.11 any time you want, fyi.

    7. Re:BLASPHEMY! by LandDolphin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Look at the Product Features:

      Internal 4GB SSD based Hard Drive
      Intel 900Mhz Mobile ULV 512MB DDR2 Memory
      Intel 910GML Chipset
      7" LCD screen with 800x480 pixels resolution
      10/100 LAN WiFi b/g
      Built-in 300k pixel webcam
      Built-in stereo speaker and microphone
      Interfaces include SD card slot, 3x USB 2.0, Mic and Headphone Jack, VGA Out
      Ultimate Speed - 10 Sec Bootup, 5 Sec Shutdown
      Windows XP compatible
      Optional USB Based External Optical Drive
      Optional Carry Case
      3 hours of battery life
      Measures (WxHxD) 225 x 21-35 x 165 mm
      Weighs 890g


      Who is "video games and download a bajillion 'utilities'", geek or housewife? That is unless your talking about games from 1998.

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    8. Re:BLASPHEMY! by spymagician · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since the Asus EEE mini laptops actually come with a Linux distro pre-installed, I'd have to say your theory is critically flawed. They're buying the LAPTOP not the OS. It's incidental that the laptop has a Linux distro on it.

    9. Re:BLASPHEMY! by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you been a housewife all this time without realizing it?

    10. Re:BLASPHEMY! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      The last thing they want to do is wait for Windows to load, defrag for an hour, update the antivirus, and then start using facebook...

      Ugh, tell me about it. We had to buy a Vista laptop for my wife to run a medical practice management app, and it's a dual-core system with 2GB of memory. By all accounts it's a fast computer, but by the time Vista finishes booting, all of the "update me!" dialogs have been clicked, and it's actually ready to use, she's cussing at the thing.

      By contrast, my Eee PC 4G goes from powered-off to using Firefox in under 30 seconds. It actually ships with an antivirus app if you must have that weekly display of pointlessness, but it doesn't run by default. What's not to like about a system that's infinitely more usable than the much faster, more expensive computer sitting next to it?

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    11. Re:BLASPHEMY! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ugh, tell me about it. We had to buy a Vista laptop for my wife to run a medical practice management app, and it's a dual-core system with 2GB of memory. By all accounts it's a fast computer, but by the time Vista finishes booting, all of the "update me!" dialogs have been clicked, and it's actually ready to use, she's cussing at the thing.

      Let me guess, it's an HP with (approx) 40,000 pieces of crapware installed?

    12. Re:BLASPHEMY! by immcintosh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but then he'd really be in trouble.

    13. Re:BLASPHEMY! by hitmark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      given how integrated the hardware and software is on these machines, one could say that they are buying a internet appliance...

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  2. I 4 1 by Mipoti+Gusundar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I 4 1 amd welcomming our new script bashing apron wearing apple pie bakeing overlady's!

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    1. Re:I 4 1 by Rinisari · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would mod that comment up if the spelling wasn't so terrible.

    2. Re:I 4 1 by sensei+moreh · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd mod you up, but then I couldn't comment on your post :)

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    3. Re:I 4 1 by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Funny

      I will mod you up as soon as I'm done baking some cookies.

  3. Not sure it applies here as much by jeiler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Taiwan culture is not US culture, of course. I imagine that even Geek culture is different between the two cultures.

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    1. Re:Not sure it applies here as much by mikkl666 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, I lived in Taiwan for quite a while, and I think Windows is quite common among geeks because (for no clear reason) MSN Messenger has become the No. 1 communication vehicle among the young folks. No one ever asked my ICQ No. or mail address, just my MSN name. Which I still don't have, by the way.

    2. Re:Not sure it applies here as much by WibbleOnMars · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Taiwan culture is not US culture, of course.

      Maybe not, but the UK is much more similar, and I've stood in a Dixons store here and listened to the salesman talking to a novice about the EeePC on display, explaining its OS as "Linux is low powered and suitable for a beginner."

      Granted, Dixons aren't the only people selling EeePCs, but they are definitely targetting EeePC at the less technically savvy.

    3. Re:Not sure it applies here as much by Icarium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's interesting to observer how the mere mention of the word 'geek' on /. is automatically assumed to mean someone who has at least an interest in IT.

      Geeks were around before computers. Not all geeks are IT savvy, not all IT savvy people are geeks.

    4. Re:Not sure it applies here as much by gmack · · Score: 4, Informative

      MSN works fine on Linux. I use Pidgin (formerly GAIM) to chat with work contacts and push them to google messanger when MSN goes down.

      No MS Windows needed.
         

    5. Re:Not sure it applies here as much by jahudabudy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thank you! I get so tired of people bugging me about "Which Linux distro do you use?" when all I want to do is bite the head off this here chicken.

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  4. Hmm.. by iXiXi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, I am not sure that housewives can't be geeks. Maybe they confuse geeks that are buying XP with idiots? I wouldn't think that a true 'geek' would give a rat's buttocks about what OS came on the hardware. I put what I want on there when I get home.

    1. Re:Hmm.. by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exploits of a Mom. XKCD has a comic for everything ;-)

    2. Re:Hmm.. by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 4, Funny

      Exploits of a Mom. XKCD has a comic for everything ;-)

      Yeah and it's always that one.

    3. Re:Hmm.. by cmacb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe they confuse geeks that are buying XP with idiots?

      A perfectly natural thing to do.

  5. Reasoning? by LightPhoenix7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article was short on details (aside from the study being in Taiwan), but my guess would be that the "geeks" are the ones playing video games, and unfortunately most of the big titles are constrained to Windows. On the other hand, a computer you're only using for e-mail and web browsing should opimally be as cheap as possible, and you certainly don't get cheaper on an OS than free.

    1. Re:Reasoning? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And also for the most part the average person doesn't really care if it runs Linux, Unix, Windows, BeOS, or whatever. They just want it to work. Being cheaper is a large factor when the price of the computer is only $200, and $50 difference is a lot. Also being so cheap if the consumer knows if that the Linux version isn't fully adequate, they can just get the Windows version. Yes, you can install XP over Linux on the EEE PC, but for the average consumer going to the store and spending $250 is a lot easier than figuring out installation of a new OS. Especially these days where you can't get XP at retail anymore.

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  6. My girlfriend has got an eee by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    She loves it because it fits in her hand bag, "it runs linux eh? what's linux? It does what I need it to do and it's cuuuttteee"

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    1. Re:My girlfriend has got an eee by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And this shows that Linux is now usable for non-geeks when preinstalled. Many of those users wouldn't be able to reinstall their Windows either ;-)

      There is still a lot of software that is only available for Windows (in particular games), but the OS itself is just as usable as Windows.

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    2. Re:My girlfriend has got an eee by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice troll, but I'll explain the difference to all the previous Linux installations:

      Among geeky types, it was already widely believed that Ubuntu (for instance) is just as easy to setup and use as Windows. But those people already have computer knowledge which may help them over some points where a non-geek may feel stumped. So they do not exactly represent the average user.

      Computers that come preinstalled with Linux have been rare, and this is the first time lots of them get into the hands of non-experts. So people like GP's girlfriend are the real test of how newbie-friendly linux is. One of them is anecdotal, lots of them make a valid test. Give it a few months and both your and my post will be irrelevant because the results of the test are out.

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  7. Windows by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't know that the day would come, when I would feel more unfamiliar (didn't say uncomfortable - but I guess that's coming, too, with Vista (oh yeah, I don't intend to move to Vista - ever)) in Windows than in Linux. But, alas, that day has come and now I have no clue how to troubleshoot Windows anymore. It's just way too arcane and complicated. In Linux and Solaris I know how to at least start troubleshooting, and then I can search the 'net for specific keywords (error messages, log entries, etc.). Some of this could probably be done with Windows as well, but I just find the "whole experience" of troubleshooting it, more hairy and unsettling.

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    1. Re:Windows by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

      But, alas, that day has come and now I have no clue how to troubleshoot Windows anymore.

      Silly, you don't troubleshoot Windows anymore.

      First, you reboot.

      If that fails to fix the problem, you roll back to the last restore point.

      If that fails, you reinstall from the recovery partition.

      And if even that fails, you call it a hardware failure and buy a new one.



      Troubleshoot... Kids these days, sheesh.

  8. Re:or course by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yep. Because obviously somebody can't like or buy ANYTHING big/fast/cool these days without it being to make up for "inadequacies".

    Do you do the reverse? I know I don't look at the guy pulling out of the shoebox apartment (old Pentium 75 visible through the windows) in a rusted out Geo Metro and think "Man, I bet he's hung.".

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  9. It's a No Brainer! :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Housewives are used to getting the products that have the best cost-benefit ratio.

    The Eee is a machine that provides wireless web browsing and email, instant messaging, etc.

    And it's cheaper without XP.

    It's a no-brainer then.

    As for why do geeks prefer XP? I can speak for myself and say that I thoroughly know the beast, it is a pleasure to google for the most wild assed software/driver you can think of and find that due to the widespread presence of the thing, pretty sure SOMEONE has gone through the same ordeal as you, and has posted a workaround.
    It works, and given current hardware configurations and provided that you configure it properly, it is FAST.

    I know it is light years away from an elegant OS from an academic's point of view, but I rather have XP on an Eee and be open to all the possibilities of interaction with other peripherals (oh, how our choice of words reveal one's age) than spending time tweaking linux.

    1. Re:It's a No Brainer! :-) by neildiamond · · Score: 5, Funny

      Housewives are used to getting the products that have the best cost-benefit ratio.

      You aren't married are you?

  10. Re:Different reason by rvw · · Score: 4, Informative

    The geeks are buying the XP version to install their own flavor of Linux as a dual-boot?

    Then they are stupid geeks. The Windows version has a smaller disk, so it makes more sense to buy the Linux version.

  11. Yes and? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bough the 701 4G a few months ago. My father in law liked it so much, and after hearing the price, ordered two for his kids: 4yo and 12yo. (Kids from his second wife: I'm not married to a 4yo or 12yo).

    Anyway, I'm surprised to hear the geeks take the XP version. I'm actually quite happy with the default Xandros install. It even has perl, ruby and python for crying out loud!

  12. Year Of the Linux Desktop by scenestar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess that instead of the year of the linux desktop we should be celebrating the year of the linux laptop

    Funny, Considering the fact that Linux + laptops used to be one of the biggest headaches in the world.

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  13. ZDNet confirms it... by sootman · · Score: 4, Funny

    2008 will be the year of XP on the desktop!

    Er, laptop. whatever.

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  14. Sounds reasonable by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never bought a copy of linux.

    Or windows, for that matter.

    _>

  15. Re:or course by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cheer up, young fellow, and read A Nerd's Guide to Getting Laid.

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  16. Browsing and Mail by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Honestly, what does the average person need. Browsing, mail, photos? Sure, for multimedia Linux may not have the integration that something like Mac OS does, but neither does XP.

    In many cases a more technical person has to have a Windows OS, either because they have to test against it, or they code in Visual Studio, or run some XP only app.

    The prevailing mindset is that it is better to run the same OS at home as at work, if, for no other reason, the work software can be often be used at home as well. But with all the free and cheap software, and with the often extreme difficulty of keeping a MS Windows machine running, it is no longer a sure bet to run MS Windows at home. Many people are realizing that MS Windows is targeted to the corporate user, and requires corporate resources for the average person to use.

    *nix, OTOH, if it is kept simple, and has some vendor support, can be run by the average person.

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    1. Re:Browsing and Mail by AusIV · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I've said for a long time that Linux is great for the least technical users and the most technical users, but the more mid-range users will have problems.

      In my family, my mom does just fine on Ubuntu. She checks e-mail, browses the web, writes documents, etc. Occasionally she'll say "Do you know of a program that will let me ...", and I'll install it for her and show her how to use it. That's how it worked on Windows, that's how it works on Linux.

      On the opposite end of the spectrum, I want complete control of my system. I want to be able control exactly what services run. I want to script specific events to happen at specific times. If the mood strikes me, I want to modify a program to better suit my needs. I have the knowledge and ability to do this, and Linux fits the bill far better than Windows.

      In the middle, there's my dad. He got me my first computer when I was three. He has some exclusively Windows software that he needs for work, and they won't run under Wine. He'll frequently go out and download or buy a software package and install it himself. The expectations he has of his computer were defined by Microsoft going back as far as DOS. He's a quite competent computer user, but I suspect he'd have problems adapting to the differences presented by Ubuntu.

  17. Games by swordgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Geeks play games that run under XP. Housewives (househusbands, most of the rest of the universe) don't play games often, and when they do, they're browser-based or included in the OS.

    Nothing to see here.

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  18. MMmmmm... Housewives!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux... housewives? Only cheesy pr0n can result. "I'm here to repair your Linux install ma'am. OOohh, I see the problem right here. I just need to $unzip this and $touch that. Now let's $fsck!" ~Bow chica wow wow~

    1. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by rmadmin · · Score: 5, Funny

      MMM.. Milfs on linux..

      I think we may have spawned a whole new genre of geeky pr0n. Personally I'll wait for "I_banged_my_friends_sister_while_she_recompiled_her_kernel.mpg". :)

    2. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      you forgot about finger and mount

    3. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by everett · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tad bit nuts, or the inventor of a filesystem with a russian bride. (Too soon?)

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    4. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by Hordeking · · Score: 5, Funny

      MMM.. Milfs on linux.. I think we may have spawned a whole new genre of geeky pr0n. Personally I'll wait for "I_banged_my_friends_sister_while_she_recompiled_her_kernel.mpg". :)

      I recompiled your mom's kernel! Oh, and I have root access to your sister. BAM!

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    5. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by tgd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back in my day that took 18 hours... and of course back then I was lucky to take 18 seconds ;)

    6. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by sohp · · Score: 5, Funny

      I haven't heard of milfs. How does it compare to jfs or reiserfs?

    7. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by psergiu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do not put reiserfs and milfs on the same box. The former one will get lost.

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    8. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by digitalsolo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I belive you mean the latter (milfs) will get lost. The former (reiserfs) will simply lose all references to what happened to the latter (milfs).

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    9. Re:MMmmmm... Housewives!! by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, actually the latter will be lost for a few months until the former reveals its location but the retrieved data will be pretty corrupt.

  19. Get back in the kitchen! by jeebusroxors · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wimins? On computers? What will they try next....

  20. Re:hmm by foniksonik · · Score: 5, Funny

    uh... you're supposed to get a Mac if you want to feel like an elitist-asshole... duh. Preferably a Macbook Air with solid state drive... $5000 or so... then install Linux on it.

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  21. You stood in a Dixons? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Please cut your geek card across with a pair of ceramic scissors and hand it in at your local Citizen's Advice Centre for controlled demolition.

    True story, I once worked with an ex-Dixon's manager who admitted they looked for ignorant and easily cowed staff because they could exploit them, whereas the technically capable could easily get better weekend jobs somewhere else. Of course, you can guess the kind of managers they employ.

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  22. I Admit That I Would Have To Think Twice by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I use Linux most of the time, my job at work centres on securing telecoms applications servers that invariably run Linux - but I also recognise XP fills a lot of the needs that Linux cannot just like XP cannot fulfill my needs for writing scripts and programming at the shell prompt.

    But the fact is, I have two PDAs that are Windows based and for synchronising calendars and emails, for the moment it has to be Outlook and Activesync to do that.

    I also spend a lot of time minimising the footprint of XP as much as possible - I truly hate with a passion the default XP UI but I've used "Classic Explorer" for years now & can live with that.

    Then I get XPLite, strip out the MS-provided apps that I never use and stick on my favourite free stuff like VLC, Media Player Classic, Firefox, Notepad++, The Gimp and a few others. And once I've thrown PuTTY on, I can SSH to my home server wherever I can get a low bandwidth Internet connection if I need my shell prompt.

    To be honest, I've always thought of a geek as someone who just tries to find the best software to do the job he/she needs to and there's plenty of free or Open Source apps on Linux and Windows that are useful tools to have.

    Yes, Linux does most of the stuff I need to do with computers and one day it would be nice to be able to just use one OS - but XP fills the gaps quite well and apart from a bit of extra time administrating more OSes on my PCs, I'm pretty happy with my whole computing experience.

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  23. Re:Geeks can install Linux over it by qopax · · Score: 4, Informative

    See, that logic fails as soon as you realize that the linux version has the larger drive.

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