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B-2 Stealth Bomber Gets Upgrade, Joins the '90s

WmHBlair writes "Flightglobal has a report about the upgrades being made to the B-2A Stealth Bomber, which include Pentium class processors, JOVIAL code rewritten in C, and fibre channel hard drives. The Register, as usual, makes light of this event with a tongue-in-cheek news item noting that the upgrade drags Stealth Bomber IT systems into the '90s."

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  1. I hate to break it to anybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but microprocessors that are designed to handle a nuclear EMP aren't blazing fast. But they are definitely not 90s technology.

    I think the B-2 bomber will be fine unless its pilots require the extra computing power to play "punch the monkey" or the South Park Lemmiwinks game.

    1. Re:I hate to break it to anybody by Nyckname · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the B-2 bomber will be fine unless its pilots require the extra computing power to play "punch the monkey" or the South Park Lemmiwinks game.

      Hey. It gets boring on twenty hour flights.

    2. Re:I hate to break it to anybody by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

      >South Park Lemmiwinks game.

      The B-2 is operated by the Air Force. Surely you must have been thinking of the Navy when you wrote that comment.

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    3. Re:I hate to break it to anybody by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

      They were playing "Global Thermonuclear War" back in the early 80's on much less than Pentiums...

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    4. Re:I hate to break it to anybody by mrmeval · · Score: 3, Informative

      Intel allowed the government to have a no-fee license to produce a radiation hardened Pentium chip. The article has some details on radiation hardening.
      http://www.sandia.gov/media/rhp.htm

      I've built replacement keyboard assemblies for one of the systems on that. Not sure which. It was a rf and fluid gasketed oversized heavy aluminum box. The actual keyboard was made by Cherry. I was so disappointed. It's like finding a Yugo engine in a Corvette. http://www.cherrycorp.com/

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    5. Re:I hate to break it to anybody by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      Port-a-potty: check
      Cot from Wally World: check
      One .45 caliber automatic: check
      Two boxes of ammunition: check
      Four days' concentrated emergency rations: check
      Antibiotics: check
      Morphine: check
      Vitamin pills: check
      Pip pills: check
      Sleeping pills: check
      Tranquilizer pills: check
      Miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible: check
      $100 in rubles: check
      $100 on gold: check
      Nine packs of chewing gum: check
      One issue of prophylactics: check
      Three lipsticks: check
      Three pairs of nylon stockings: check

      Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

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  2. Bitchin' by Etrias · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't wait to see it fire up and have the screen print out: It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

    1. Re:Bitchin' by Atario · · Score: 5, Funny

      More likely "It is pitch black, which is correct for a Stealth Bomber.".

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    2. Re:Bitchin' by mangastudent · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, even more likely:

      It is pitch black. You are the grue.

  3. Don't you mean? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...upgrades ... include Pentium class processors ... "drags Stealth Bomber IT systems into the 90s"

    89.999997612?

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    1. Re:Don't you mean? by owlnation · · Score: 2, Informative

      who modded that offtopic? It's clearly funny.

    2. Re:Don't you mean? by weetabeex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably all those who wish to understand the joke.

      I would, very much, like to. :-(

    3. Re:Don't you mean? by everett · · Score: 5, Informative
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    4. Re:Don't you mean? by chrispatch · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile! You will be approximated.

    5. Re:Don't you mean? by nmb3000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Haha.

      I swear, if I ever work at Intel I'll be digging up the PaintShop Pro file for the Intel poster I made a while back and printing it full size.

      Although I imagine it's something of a sore subject, so maybe not a good idea :)

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    6. Re:Don't you mean? by WingedHorse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is /. There is no need to explain the bug! ...I think!

      I think you were joking... Perhaps? Not sure. But just generally on this subject...

      There are a lot of people here who wouldn't know about those bugs. I personally study computer science (Or well, I'll start studying it in two months when the school starts again.) but have mostly done webmastering, PHP coding, Search engine optimization (as a job)... I would have no idea about some Intel Bug from the year 1994. For the record, I was 5 years old at the time.

      So the audience of /. is a lot wider than many people assume and at this time of the internet, a lot of people are good in some aspects of computers (I am rather pleased in my skills at web developing) while having no clue about others (namely, hardware).

      That said, ofcourse the point could could be made that if people just don't get a joke about old processor bug, they don't need to get it and it doesn't need to be explained...

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    7. Re:Don't you mean? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's wicked funny. How long have you been saving that?

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    8. Re:Don't you mean? by NateTech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You must be new here.

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  4. There's a Reason for That by hardburn · · Score: 5, Informative

    While the headline might be good for a light giggle, there's a good reason why it's 10 years behind. Airplane avionics systems must be free of bugs, or people die. That especially goes for a plane that uses a flying wing design (which are historically hard to stabilize without computer control), and potentially carries nuclear warheads.

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    1. Re:There's a Reason for That by tzhuge · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In this case...

      avionics systems must be free of bugs, or people don't die.

    2. Re:There's a Reason for That by ArsonSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Ultimate reliability" and "Pentium class from the 90s" just doesn't really go well together.

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    3. Re:There's a Reason for That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      More than that. Aircraft, especially military aircraft that fly at the altitudes the B2 does, also require "hardened" electronics, capable of handling much larger temperature ranges and higher electro-magnetic interference. That means the processors, while they may be Pentium class, are not Pentium's. They may even use ceramics for the ICs, but either way the new electronics would require a much larger feature size, and therefore less performance than the current cutting edge electronics.

    4. Re:There's a Reason for That by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly, you beat me to the punch. The same is true in spacecraft components, which is why the computing power and other parts always seem to be so pitiful compared to current technology. (Well, plus the lag between design and actual appearance in space.) Sad, but it's most likely the best way. It's not quite as clear that the military should be quite as far behind as NASA, though.

    5. Re:There's a Reason for That by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do believe they have some other exotic things, like Sapphire coatings for additional EMP protection. Stuff that is crazy-expensive!

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    6. Re:There's a Reason for That by NETHED · · Score: 3, Informative

      The version I heard was that there was water in a sensor that fooled the avionics computer.

      Where I got the info
      http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/06/video-stealth-b.html

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    7. Re:There's a Reason for That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "pentium class", not pentium. It's actually an ARM processor (better tolerance to heat, radiation, environmental extremes, etc).

    8. Re:There's a Reason for That by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Fix it? The parts were bought from random people on craigslist ;)

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    9. Re:There's a Reason for That by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... or the wrong people die.

    10. Re:There's a Reason for That by halivar · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the GP is correct. As Patton once said (paraphrasing), "the point is not for you to die for your country, but the make the other poor bastard die for his."

    11. Re:There's a Reason for That by icegreentea · · Score: 2, Informative

      It got into 3 of 24 sensors.

    12. Re:There's a Reason for That by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The other factor is that if a Pentium is fast enough, then there's no need for a faster processor. Real planes don't suffer from frame rate issues.

    13. Re:There's a Reason for That by fyoder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oughta run the latest version of Ubuntu on the latest processor from AMD. Going with OSS, if there's a bug which causes a nuclear disaster, the open source community will have a patch out within 24 hours.

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    14. Re:There's a Reason for That by element-o.p. · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ideally, the existence of the weapon is enough to make it unnecessary to kill anyone.

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    15. Re:There's a Reason for That by lostguru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many years is it behind the strategic bombers that our enemies, the "Terrorists" have?

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    16. Re:There's a Reason for That by element-o.p. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Point taken -- your ideal is more ideal than my ideal :)

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    17. Re:There's a Reason for That by Josh+Booth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While the headline might be good for a light giggle, there's a good reason why it's 10 years behind. Airplane avionics systems must be free of bugs, or people die. That especially goes for a plane that uses a flying wing design (which are historically hard to stabilize without computer control), and potentially carries nuclear warheads.

      You mean like this?

    18. Re:There's a Reason for That by icebrain · · Score: 2, Informative

      3 of 24 air data sensors... which measure (among other things) pressure and temperature. You can't have a regular airspeed sensor (which is really just a glorified pressure sensor) because the hardware sticking out would ruin the stealth characteristics. Therefore, you put several pressure sensors flush with the skin in different areas, and use the various readings to figure out airspeed indirectly. You can see some of the ports for the air data system as little circles in front of the cockpit on the B-2.

      For similar reasons, this is why new prototypes always have a big boom out in front. Any sensor close to the aircraft will get interference from other airflow, so you put one way out front (to get undisturbed air) and use that to calibrate your data.

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    19. Re:There's a Reason for That by hardburn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, god, I can just see Clippy trying to help out:

      "It looks like you're trying to barrage the enemy line. Would you like to read historical documentation on battles involving barrages?"

      Or maybe UAC will kick in:

      "Howitzer is trying to launch a shell. Allow or Deny?"

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    20. Re:There's a Reason for That by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...From the classic B-52 onwards, they do useful things like haul large quantities of high explosives other systems cannot match. Improvements in tactical control mean the folks on the ground can call in tremendous force when needed.

      As a dirt-eating infantry guy, this is a pet peeve of mine. I feel a rant coming on...

      The trouble is, the contemporary battlefield doesn't need the "tremendous force" of 38 tons of bombs, from 35K feet, that'll be here in 14 hours (B-52 from Diego) or worse, 40 hours (B-2 from freakin' Missouri!). There isn't a bunch of factories with static GPS coordinates that can be preloaded by ground crews into GPS guided weapons. It's largely just guys like me, calling on a radio, asking for a couple 500 pounders on the ridgeline 3 klicks away, to get two dozen guys with RPGs and machine guns, NOW!. The B-52, B-1, and B-2 just don't fit into that equation.

      Modern air-to-ground warfare doesn't need "big" strategic bombers like that. For the last 50+ years, the US Air Force has been living in a fantasy world, a sepia-toned universe where it's perpetually 1950, where bombers were the strategic "big stick" that brought down the Nazis, and were the Alpha-to-Omega of nuclear weapons delivery. The trouble is, the former is a self-delusional lie, and the latter keeled over with the ICBM and finally died with the USSR in 1990. The Air Force mythology of strategic bombing is based on the largely pointless high-altitude mass bombing of Europe in WW2. The Key West Agreement of 1948 which separated the Air Force as its own service, separate from the Army and forbidding the Army to operate aircraft, centered heavily on the "success" of the strategic bombing of Germany, particularly the crippling of the German ball bearing manufacturing. Funny thing is, decades later when Albert Speer was asked about this, his reply was (paraphrased) "They were trying to bomb our ball bearing factories? If so, we had no idea."

      The practical upshot of all this is that the Air Force was founded on a fantasy which continues to hamper its effectiveness to this day. Granted, my view on the subject is heavily colored by my 16 years as a lowly grunt in the Army, hiding in holes trying to get effective close air support from those guys; but I think my view is pretty accurate. There aren't any more superpowers to mount a credible air defense, to put up a serious opposition. The one thing that we really need from the Air Force is the one thing that they've consistently tried to get out of providing: Close Air Support. Air Force brass had the unmitigated gall to try to retire the A-10 in the 90's and "replace" it with the F-16! They constantly push for more air-superiority and high altitude bombing assets when the cold hard reality is that we don't need that. Contemporary warfare is non-linear, against small bands of irregulars operating in primitive conditions. As infantrymen, what we need from the Air Force is all-weather, low-altitude, precision ordinance delivery, but we hardly ever get it!. If I had a nickel for every time I saw the Air Force drop in the wrong place, or worse, "call in sick" because of bad weather, I'd have a hell of a lot of nickels. The military has always been a hotbed of backstabbing, featherbedding, and general power politics, and the Air Force continuing live in its glory days of WW2 is a prime example (don't even get me started on the Navy, they're even worse). The Army has managed to fill some of its air needs via helicopters--- and getting the Air Force to let us have those was a fight--- but helicopters are lightweight, short range assets. We need fixed wing air support, particularly in Afghanistan where altitude and weather make helicopter operations near impossible. Personally, I think the Air Force should turn over the A-10 and AC-130 assets to the Army and let us do our own close air support, and they can go sit around in their giant strato-bombe

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    21. Re:There's a Reason for That by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Informative

      The B2 is a blended wing body, not a flying wing.

      Actually, it pretty evenly straddles the line. It has a distinct "body" structure like a BWB, but the "body" is not particularly prominent and it doesn't have distinct and separate wing structures. The B-2 is generally considered a hybrid flying wing

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    22. Re:There's a Reason for That by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I made the same comment as the parent poster too.

      So, you would prefer the B2 to crash and kill the Air Force guys on board so it can't finish its mission? If so, why?

      Yes, since I am not an American I think it's probably preferable for the crew of the plane to die than for them to complete their mission and, for example, kill hundreds of women and children attending weddings. They have after all chosen to fight for their country and accepted they may die whereas their innocent victims have made no such choice.

    23. Re:There's a Reason for That by getuid() · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... or the wrong people die.

      There's no right people when it comes to death by thermonuclear bomb.

    24. Re:There's a Reason for That by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your ideas are all well and good right up until war is not based on tactical ground actions any more. I am in the air force and I agree that our role is ridiculously inflated, but we do play a role. I do not see, however, what would be gained by rolling the air force into the army or vice versa. The AF has lots of ground troops and frankly I don't see them ever because I work on jets. If we were in the same branch, you wouln't ever see me because when I'm in Iraq, I spend most of my time working in the HAS's on our jets or sleeping. If the army took over our c-130 assets, they would belong to an 'army aeronautical division' or something and functionally would very closely resemble the current situation.

      Unless your idea is that 11 bravos would fix, fuel, load, and direct their own aircraft. That's not much different from the air force saying that IT ought to just have a private army of its own that understood the strengths and limitations of air power, etc. We do aircraft and airfield security, you guys go outside the wire. That's just the way it is. Aircraft maintainers don't go outside the wire- it's not a place where we're useful. You could train us to be ground troops but that completely negates the advantages of division of skilled labor where you get really good at shooting people and I get really good at keeping jets from falling out of the sky.

      And btw the A-10 is not retired. If you can track down a copy of the july-august Airman magazine, A-10s in afghanistan are the cover story. I personally work on f-16s and my base is one of only a few with some very advanced targetting systems and the pilot training to match. I would put our 16s against vanilla a-10s any day for recon and bomb drops. For close-in ground support the army DOES have its own aircraft, they're called ah-64 gunships and they're everywhere in iraq. Those things will end a party like no one's business and that's why YOU HAVE THEM. And so if you want to get mad that your close-in air support sucks, talk to your apache pilots.

      Maybe we'll run into each other over there- I'll buy you a NA beer.

      -b

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    25. Re:There's a Reason for That by AP31R0N · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There was a time when the USAF decided that all air to air fighting would happen via missiles, and so, left out guns in the fighters. Korea showed that to be wrong thinking. While our current conflicts are low intensity and door to door, that doesn't mean that an old school throw down will never happen again. It would be naive to get rid of heavy bombers. Some day we might have an actual war to fight.

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    26. Re:There's a Reason for That by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your ideas are all well and good right up until war is not based on tactical ground actions any more.

      Sorry? I thought my entire point was that contemporary warfare is almost entirely tactical in nature.

      I am in the air force and I agree that our role is ridiculously inflated, but we do play a role. I do not see, however, what would be gained by rolling the air force into the army or vice versa.

      I never suggested that. My half serious, half facetious suggestion was that if the Air Force is so fixated on strategic bombing and doesn't want to provide CAS, maybe it ought to turn over its CAS assets to the Army, which has a strong personal interest in CAS and will make good use of those assets.

      The AF has lots of ground troops and frankly I don't see them ever because I work on jets.

      Indeed. I worked closely with several Air Force forward air controllers in Afghanistan. My views on the problem with CAS and the Air Force are derived mostly from their complaints about their own service!

      If the army took over our c-130 assets, they would belong to an 'army aeronautical division' or something and functionally would very closely resemble the current situation.

      Well yeah. The Army already has substantial aviation assets. My arguments assume nothing unusual.

      Unless your idea is that 11 bravos would fix, fuel, load, and direct their own aircraft. That's not much different from the air force saying that IT ought to just have a private army of its own that understood the strengths and limitations of air power, etc.

      Well no, it's distinctly different. The Army already has aviation assets in the CAS role, and the advantage of that is obvious to anyone who's ever seen an AH-64 or even an armed OH-56 in action. Again, I think you've misunderstood my point. The Air Force as described by the 1948 Key West Agreement is so strongly tied to the vision of its de facto founder, Curtis LeMay, that to this very day its leadership has difficulty seeing aviation in terms outside of strategic bombing. The trouble this causes with the Army is that the Air Force is also supposed to provide CAS for ground forces. Being a separate service, the Army has limited means to affect the direction the Air Force goes when questions of budgetary priority come up. CAS assets are routinely marginalized, while strategic assets of questionable necessity are emphasized. The reason the Air Force doesn't need "a private army of its own that [understands] the strengths and limitations of air power" is that the Air Force isn't interested in ground warfare, and that's the problem!

      And btw the A-10 is not retired.

      Friend, re-read what I wrote. I said they tried to retire the A-10 in the 90's. They were not successful, largely because their "replacement"--- the F-16--- was totally unsuited to the role.

      If you can track down a copy of the july-august Airman magazine, A-10s in afghanistan are the cover story.

      I don't need to. I watched three of them fly a racetrack pattern around a ridge in Paktia in SE Afghanistan, putting down ordinance. It's very impressive.

      I personally work on f-16s and my base is one of only a few with some very advanced targetting systems and the pilot training to match. I would put our 16s against vanilla a-10s any day for recon and bomb drops.

      See, this is the exactly the problem I'm talking about. Much of the Air Force leadership doesn't seem to understand what constitutes good CAS. It's not putting an Mk82 inside a 10' painted circle on a dry lake bed outside Nellis from 5000' AGL at 600 knots using CCIPP. Good CAS is being able to stay on station for a long time until a "bad guy" finally groundhogs up, at which point the FAC gets on the radio and say, "second ridge, 100 meters above th

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  5. Better functionally quaint than gee-whiz and oops by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As was recently discussed about the current Mars lander mission, it's really just fine if something built to do a very specific job doesn't have support for this week's gamer-friendly video board, a hacked Wii controller, bluetooth, and a dozen USB ports. Hardened, reliable hardware and bug-free seems better than, say, some of the misadventures that some IT-intensive commercial aircraft have suffered over the last few years. It's OK to be one notch less cool when you're flying around with large weapons.

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  6. Not surprised, even if I am amused by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having worked for a defense contractor (non-weapons, mind you) for 6 years, it doesn't surprise me at all that the technology for such things are at least 10 years behind state of the art. It takes so long to fully satisfy the requirements of a military contract, then it takes at least as long to fix all the little bugs that inevitably pop up after delivery; then there's the military amending their requirements halfway through the project, sometimes resulting in having to go almost all the way back to square one in the design cycle. Oh, and don't even get me started on requirements that belong in cartoons and comic books, not the real world of engineering.

    1. Re:Not surprised, even if I am amused by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yea, at least dealing with the private sector and private contracts you don't have to worry about any of those issues.

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  7. Security by oldness by Plazmid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an interesting approach to security, use machines so old that no one can crack. Maybe that's why the Russians still use vacuum tubes in MiGs.

    1. Re:Security by oldness by boa · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is an interesting approach to security, use machines so old that no one can crack. Maybe that's why the Russians still use vacuum tubes in MiGs.

      Maybe, or maybe they do it to protect their planes from EMP? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_bomb#Effects

    2. Re:Security by oldness by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is an interesting approach to security, use machines so old that no one can crack. Maybe that's why the Russians still use vacuum tubes in MiGs.

      When the only tool you have is a hammer, every cracking problem looks like a vacuum tube.

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    3. Re:Security by oldness by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe that's why the Russians still use vacuum tubes in MiGs.

      Even the mighty U.S. has a few planes flying with vacuum tubes. I worked in a Air Force avionics shop 6 years ago and the oldest system we maintained was a C-130 autopilot. The whole thing probably had around 25 tubes.

      The newest system in the shop was the INS (intertial navigation system) for the MH-53J (in fact, it's likely that I worked on the very aircraft pictured). This was a rather elaborate system, so our troubleshooting was mostly limited to "yep, this unit is bad, order a new one." The computer that ran the test bench was an original IBM with an 8088 processor.

      I'm an I.T. guy now instead of an airman, but I still sometimes miss getting to play around with solder, o-scopes, and servos...

  8. Favourite quote from El 'Reg: by The+Ancients · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Naturally the stealth bomber's software has to be rewritten for the new platform, in particular the operational flight program (OFP) - the app which lets the ungainly plane fly, rather than lurching out of control as it would without constant computer assistance. (A recent B-2 crash shortly after takeoff at the Pacific island of Guam was caused by a false sensor data feed into the OFP, resulting from an airspeed measuring device being affected by tropical moisture. The duff data fooled the OFP app into wrecking the $2bn bomber - while the pilots were unable to do anything to stop it.)

    Brilliant!

  9. element of surprise by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Informative

    imagine that in the future the enemy (whoever thinks they are the enemy and the others, who are not even aware that they maybe the enemy) will never know when they will get their shit kicked out of them due to a possible Pentium FDIV error or a buffer overflow of some sort. Let's just hope that any security bugs will be dealt with promptly, cause if they can hack into a computer because of some CPU errors by using java or javascript through a browser, the will certainly be looking for a way to control some more exciting equipment.

    1. Re:element of surprise by toleraen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, because B-2 pilots surf random links posted on message boards mid flight all the time.

  10. Re:The mandatory comment by aardwolf64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, considering they can get Linux to run on a toaster, you'd think that would be a no-brainer...

  11. maybe they should have stayed in the '60s by speedtux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure that replacing JOVIAL code with C code is actually progress. If JOVIAL is anything like ALGOL 60, it's arguably a better programming language than C.

    1. Re:maybe they should have stayed in the '60s by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 5, Funny

      If JOVIAL is anything like ALGOL 60, it's arguably a better programming language than C.

      It's HAPPIER.

    2. Re:maybe they should have stayed in the '60s by sconeu · · Score: 2, Informative

      It essentially is Algol. JOVIAL stands for "Jules Own Version of IAL". IAL was at one point the name for Algol.

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  12. Re:Better functionally quaint than gee-whiz and oo by SomeJoel · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's true, if some guy's carrying around a large handgun on his hip, you're less likely to comment on his mullet.

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  13. 90's IS cutting edge for that stuff. by deft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What this article seems to overlook is that they DONT WANT new computers and new operating systems, new languages. They want older, stable, rpedictable, thoroughly vetted technologies.

    They dont need a super computer to fly these, but what they do need os to know every quirk, every instability, and already have dealt with it so that NOTHING even remotely suprises them.

    Thats why moving to C is a big step.

    it may seem silly to us because we run all sorts of new stuff on our computers designed to run many things we may never use; These are VERY purpose built, need very little flexibility outside its designated purpose, and doesnt need to be overdone.

    I may buy a PC system anticipating programs down the road that might be expanded, but for an aircraft, missiles, sattelites, even the space shuttle which runs EVRY old code, they just need it to do exactly what it needs too, and if that works fine with 256k, then thats what it will get, as long as its stable as all hell.

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    1. Re:90's IS cutting edge for that stuff. by DontBlameCanada · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've worked on military CPU replacement in the past for a subcontractor. We were upgrading an early 60s avionics set built from, get this, AND, OR and NOR gates. The most complex part was a 4 bit shift register - pretty wild. So I know a bit about this.

      The major problem with using components newer than the mid-90s is that they are so sensitive to radiation. Not EM, but Alpha particles and other cosmic rays. Its prohibitively expensive to rad-harden (radiation harden) sub-100nm chips and when that is achieved the yields are so low that the cost balloons even more. Radiation hits my cause the rare BSOD for you, on a nuclear armed aircraft its may show up as a MCOD - mushroom cloud of destruction.

  14. So what? by JesseL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That just means their development & testing cycle runs about 15 years. That doesn't seem terribly unreasonable given that reliability is paramount for a billion dollar piece of equipment.

    I work on brand new industrial controls that are still using Z80 processors.

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  15. Pentiums are well suited to a stealth craft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pentium 4 chips and Athlons just get shot out of the sky by heat seeking missiles.

  16. space shuttle runs on 1970s computers by peter303 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With one MEGABYTE of ferris-core memory. Five redundant computers. The shuttle prgram was late getting started and they didnt want to changes the software.

    "And they made fun of vacuum tube computers in MIGs."

  17. Probably not x86 by Henriok · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's "Pentium class", not "Pentium". I would bet my money on this comptuer being PowerPC based, probably PowerPC 74xx based, also known as "G4" of Macintosh fame. There are _a_lot_ of PowerPC based avionics, and cutting edge airplanes like Eurofighter, Gripen and F-22 have multiple PowerPC based systems doing all kinds of stuff. When doing embedded electronics for the military you are not going far pitching Intel stuff. You are going to use hardware from manufacturers that can guarantee parts that'll keep being manufactured over many years and are harndened to endure rapid heat, cold, moist and preassure fluctuations. Intel are doing commodity products for low end table environments. Look to manufacturers like Freescale for the stable and durable stuff.

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    1. Re:Probably not x86 by hellwig · · Score: 2, Informative

      Worked for a well-known avionics company on various aircraft modernizing/upgrading programs only a year ago. We used Motorolla PPC604-class processors for the avionics on upgrading old C-130 cargo aircraft (200MHz, 32-each floating and integer general purpose registers, etc...). Of course, those processors are so old you can't buy them anymore. Our testing equipment instead used the PPC 74XX series processors. They had just upgraded from Ada-83 to Ada-95

      The C-5 cargo aircraft AMP and RERP upgrades use a custom-built AMD ARM processor, also no longer available. This program still used Ada-83. We also used custom-built real-time OS's from companies like WindRiver(vxWorks) and GreenHills. You certainly don't run Windows or Linux on these machines.

      In college we heard about how satellites use older processors because the size of the traces inside are large enough to withstand hits from various energetic particles. I.e. your new 45nm Intel would get fried in seconds being exposed to the radiation in space, while an old 386 with a 1um process can generaly withstand the bombardment

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    2. Re:Probably not x86 by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      When doing embedded electronics for the military you are not going far pitching Intel stuff.

      Yeah, that's true. Because the military would never use radiation hardened pentiums under a no fee-license from intel or anything.

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  18. Exactly right. It's obsolete by heroine · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should have written all the flight control in Ruby & made it an AJAX web application that runs on Firefox on an iPhone. That would make it zillions of times faster than that old C code & Pentiums, right?

  19. Pentium's are Nuclear Hardened by Christopher_G_Lewis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, given this http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN12-18-98/intel_story.htm was in 1998, and about 10 years of development and testing, I guess we're finally seeing CPU's on the B2's that will actually allow them to fly through some of the massive radiation/electrical crap that they would be generating.

  20. It's not really from the 90's by eebra82 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those of you who have read some about Intel's coming Larrabee GPU know that it consists of many Pentium cores. The thing is, these cores aren't as old as one may think.

    When the Pentium core became obsolete, Intel gave the technology to the U.S. military, which in turn developed it further and added bug fixes. So it's not really technology from the 90's only, because it has been in development for quite some time.

    Additionally, old technology has the advantage of being used so much that virtually everything is known about the chip, including bugs. Therefore, it is much safer to work with such a chip rather than going for the latest Core 2 Duo.

  21. Still Stuck in the 1980s by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Stealth Bomber's mission is to deliver nuke bombs inside Soviet territory. It's not really that good at anything else. Though it does get used for other missions, since the US needs to justify spending $2.2 BILLION on each one.

    Upgrading the B2 to the 1990s is just keeping a 1980s corporate welfare programme for another decade, even while letting it float a decade behind in technology. I guess someone's got to buy all those old Pentiums, or Intel might go out of business.

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    1. Re:Still Stuck in the 1980s by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Informative

      "The Stealth Bomber's mission is to deliver nuke bombs inside Soviet territory. It's not really that good at anything else. Though it does get used for other missions, since the US needs to justify spending $2.2 BILLION on each one."

      It's quite good at dropping large bombloads on places, other than Soviet Union, that are defended by SAMs and radar-guided AAA, and avoid getting shot down.

      No other aircraft in the world can do this. F-117 can do the "avoid getting shot down" part, but not the large bombload part.

    2. Re:Still Stuck in the 1980s by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, cynical much?

      The last century taught us a very important lesson that our military and civilian leaders hopefully will not forget: it is far easier to try to stay on top of technology and keep the military forces current than suddenly ramp up training and technology only when a threat appears.

      While I strongly disagree with this administration's (ab)use of the our nation's armed forces and the government contractors who are becoming billionaires because of it, please understand that the military has many important roles besides defense.

  22. Re:Better functionally quaint than gee-whiz and oo by nine-times · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, yeah, it's fine for them to be using old hardware. It seems like it's an embedded system that probably has lots of specific requirements, and they can't afford for there to be a BSOD. So it's only smart to use stuff that has been around for a long time and is known to work without any delays or bugs.

    Still, it'd be awesome if you could fly one of these things with a Wiimote while rendering the the outside world with a modern game engine. I bet you're going to ask "What's wrong with the '3D graphics' of real life?" Well, the textures are nice and high-res, but dammit, there aren't enough lens flares.

  23. Regarding that Mars lander... by jd · · Score: 3, Funny

    How are you expecting to Martians to communicate with it, if it doesn't have Bluetooth support, eh? Hadn't thought of that, had you?

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    1. Re:Regarding that Mars lander... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, its on Mars. Everythings infrared.

  24. Re:Better functionally quaint than gee-whiz and oo by oneal13rru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just to point a small detail... flying a B2 is cooler than any computer out there. The large weapons just give you cause to giggle every time the news talks about "tensions". More serious note, all military electronic hardware feels primitive, from the GPS that belongs in an 80s sci-fi flick, to the palm pilot the size of a paperback we use to put crypto in radios, its all old. Reasons: A, beauracracy and change don't mix. B: Blowing the shit out of countries that didn't do anything to us just so we can rebuild them is kinda pricey. C: Ammo is expensive too. D: Our budget is mostly going to expanding a certain moron's oil empire. E: Usr=ID10T.

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  25. Re:Still no official word about B-2's use of anti- by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Riight, a revolution in physics and technology that would rival quantum mechanics and the USAF is sitting on it and using it to mildly enhance a score of strategic bombers.

    Tell me another one!

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  26. Re:Free of BUGS? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Are you sure? Software tends to be written by developers, and its the quality of them, their ability to work to quality standards and basically take their time to get it done right that matters. All that C code you've seen crash - it'll be because someone hacked it together, no-one tested it thoroughly enough, and no-one took the time to do it right. C is even easy to code reliably if you impose some restrictions on yourself (or use some libraries/routines that you can't easily take shortcuts with - eg if you can pass a pointer to a routine, you're going to pass a bad one one day, do some wrong arithmentic on it, etc. If you pass a strict fixed-size buffer, then you're much less likely to get an error. Just a simple example).

    The point is you can write bad software in any language, the new C# stuff at work crashes all over the place and is slow. The old C code from 1984 is still working fine. Its not these languages that had anything to do with their relative quality.

    eg. Spacecraft are written in C, and they've worked better than anyone expected:

    The only reason I brought that up is because one of my editors said, Oh look, they have Java on this thing.

    Oh, Java. Well, we have Java in the ground system not onboard the spacecraft.

    Right. That's what it's starting to sound like.

    That's right. Yeah. The spacecraft software is entirely in C.

    C? Really? That surprises me a little bit.

    Yes. It's entirely in C.

    I thought Lockheed Martin was a big ADA shop for this sort of thing.

    ADA is used largely in military applications, but JPL at any rate has moved away from ADA. Cassini, I believe, would be the last JPL mission that used ADA. And that was largely due to the success of the Mars Pathfinder in the mid-nineties. And as I said, these missions are to a large extent all derived from Mars Pathfinder.

    After that successful mission, you say, Hey, we could do it in C now. That's not as scary as everybody thought?

    Yeah. Right.

  27. well it's not as if they want Vista on it by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Funny

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  28. Re:Exactly right. It's obsolete by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well if it's running on an iphone, at least it'll know which way up it is !

  29. Re:cue the fpu jokes by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone have an over/under on how many Pentium FPU jokes there will be?

    Exactly 24.9999998999997...

    Sorry, but you walked into that one :-P

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  30. yeah but this is more fun by SEAL · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F00f

    Watch the whole plane crash as its pilots desperately try to reboot the fly-by-wire system.

    1. Re:yeah but this is more fun by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 2, Funny

      I couldn't for the life of me get NT working on that box ;)

      Undoubtedly, but that has nothing to do with processor bugs.

  31. JOVIAL BITES by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 3, Interesting
    My first job out of college was on the B-2, specifically on the flight control box. Despite what C/C++ detractors might say, JOVIAL as I saw it in use was vastly inferior to nearly any other language I've ever used. Compiler bugs were known but never fixed. The minuscule market for JOVIAL applications meant limited or no choice in compilers or tools. The lack of coders meant that you could not attract personnel and those you had were incentivized to get the heck out so as not to become unemployable.

    Frankly, the actual language you use on a project is almost (not quite, but almost) an afterthought compared to the other factors of toolsets and talent pool.

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  32. Re:Not so stealthy? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, don't forget the Serbs managed to shoot down an F-117 during the showdown with Milosovic, and that was using stuff that was probably equivalent to what the Iraqi's had.*

    However, you're not quite correct to the best of my knowledge. Stealth doesn't make things invisible to radar...it makes them harder to see. There's a lot of factors involved, but generally they boil it down into a factor called radar cross section (RCS). This is the size of a typical reflector that would produce the same radar return as the plane in question. A B-52 has a radar cross section the size of...well...a B-52 (not quite actually, but we won't get that deep into it). The B-2, on the other hand, has been said to have a radar cross section of a sparrow. You reduce the radar cross section mainly in two ways: by absorbing the radio wave (materials) or by reflecting it a different direction than straight back (geometry). This means that the way the plane is facing is important, because they're not spheres. If you get an aileron facing flat at a radar, they'll probably see you.

    Now remember radar return above. You need enough radar return for the receiver to detect it. As the RCS gets smaller, the return drops, so you need a stronger signal to reflect off it, and/or a more sensitive receiver. A shorter distance means a stronger signal, due to the inverse square law. What the story likely refers to is stealth aircraft passing close enough to British frigates to be detected despite being stealthy.**

    * I believe the Air Force concluded the F-117 was shot down by one of several radar-guided missiles fired at it, being guided partially manually, with help from infrared tracking. The F-117 has features to reduce it's infrared signature, too, but I don't think the reduction is as significant in infrared as it is in radar. The Serbs may have gotten enough of a radar return that allowed them to point the missile and let it's infrared seeker lock-on. The F-117's probably also flew riskier routes than a non-stealth aircraft like the F-15E's would take. If it was close enough to the radar, it also might have been possible to shoot it down with a strictly radar-guided missile.

    It seems the Serbian military paid attention to both the ineffectiveness of the Iraqi air defenses against the F-117 during Desert Storm, and to the thorough way in which the US focused on destorying those defenses early on, making air supremacy a given only hours after the first bombs fell on Baghdad. They were careful both to protect their radars and missile launchers and to employ alternate detection tools, especially the Mk 1 eyeball. ** The Russians claim they have a technique of finding stealth aircraft by looking for holes in expected radar returns (mountains, etc). That would take extra computer power and it seems to me it would only work effectively on low-altitude aircraft, so it might not be a significant blow to stealth technology. I've also heard some stuff about using two receivers to detect stealth aircraft, but there wasn't enough details to get an idea how it works and how effective it might be.

  33. For the Clueless: DO-178B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The standard applied world wide to aircraft avionic software is DO-178B http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DO-178B. This standard and related standards are used for civilian and military aircraft systems. The "B" level means that a failure is "Hazardous"

    Failure has a large negative impact on safety or performance, or reduces the ability of the crew to operate the plane due to physical distress or a higher workload, or causes serious or fatal injuries among the passengers.

    You don't just hack on this kind of software. You have to invest in major amounts of planning, documentation and verification in addition to coding. It takes lots of time, people and money.

    It also requires a high degree of professionalism. The people and organizations that do this kind of work are far beyond worrying about the Pentium FDIV bug or a DOS attack against a secure embedded system that will never be on a public network. Anyone on Slashdot who brings up these kinds of issues is only showing that they are clueless and are incapable of achieving the professional level required to do this kind of work.

  34. It was Douglas MacArthur by mangu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He said: "The Japanese soldier's duty is to die for his emperor. Our duty is to make sure he does his duty"

    IIRC this was in the film, so it must be true.

    1. Re:It was Douglas MacArthur by rossdee · · Score: 3, Informative

      The quote from Patton was also in a film: Patton (1970)

      "Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." -- General George S. Patton (George C. Scott)

  35. Flight Dynamic upgrade by geogob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the list of systems affected by the processor upgrade, I read FMS, radar, comm, sensors (most likely electronic warfare/countermeasures), weapon system integration, etc.

    I remember reading that the on-board computers are absolutely essential to fly the B-2 and to handle the control surfaces. All control surfaces are computer controlled to keep the plane stable (and able to fly).

    It is still unclear to me whether the upgrade affects or not flight dynamic systems. Furthermore I'm not sure upgrading the flight dynamic software and hardware would be pertinent, unless stability issues have been observed(plane stability or software stability...or both).

    The crash some other slashdoters have pointed out might be a trigger to a major flight dynamic software and hardware update, but if that's the case, TFA is unclear on the extent of that upgrade in this upgrade program.

  36. Re:mod parent up by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uhm. No.

    Military/aerospace-grade components are built to an absurdly high standard, and have to be tolerant of extreme physical forces and high levels of electromagnetic radiation.

    Take a look at what gets put onto satellites (including ones not built by governments). You'll see a lot of radiation-hardened Pentiums and 486s.

    A year or two ago, an amateur satellite got sent up using off-the-shelf components, and many (including those who built it) were astonished when the chips lasted a whole month before finally succumbing.

    The military is one area where the government actually wants to succeed, as opposed to the many other agencies that were intentionally set up for failure during the Reagan years.

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  37. Ultimate Ctrl+Alt+Del - The Ejection Seat by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As the article mentions, if there is a malfunction of the B2 Spirit's computer system (either in sensors or the system itself) the pilots must eject or be killed. There was a video, not available any more, explaining that the computer is the reason why the airplane doesn't spin out of control and crash. If it goes offline it takes just a few seconds before you're toast. This apparently happened once or twice during early development while they worked out the kinks in the software (sorry, can't find any current proof of this). The only B2 that has crashed (that we know of) crashed due to bad sensor input to the computer (if that is really the truth):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit#Incidents_and_accidents

    When you've got a billion dollars flying around at very high speeds, with some nuclear weapons on-board, and a couple of highly-trained pilots... you need to be 100% sure the system doesn't go off-line resulting in a near instant vehicle loss. It is also well known that spacecraft and aircraft use technologies that are actually very advanced, but might appear on the surface as old. The amount of materials research that goes in to these things costs in the multitudes of billions. It is very important the H-bombs drop where they are supposed to, and when. It is very scary, and the only way to test all the moving parts together is to start a nuclear war. As the SysAdmins say: "Not if, but when."

    Here are some more details (may be a bit redundant):
    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Preliminary_Design_Review_Of_New_B_2_Bomber_Computer_Architecture_Completed_999.html

  38. Re:Good Timing by soldeed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Today the Air Force released the first photos of the B-2 that crashed in Guam a couple months back. B-2 Stealth Bomber Crash Scene Photos: Exclusive First Look

    Excellent article! Look at the timeline;

    9:29 am /// Waterlogged /// During a preflight check, the pilot notices three air data sensors are malfunctioning. Unknown to the crew, water in the sensors is skewing the air-pressure readings too high.

    9:34 am /// Recalibration /// A ground crewman, using a cockpit keyboard, recalibrates the three waterlogged sensors. The preflight checks continue, and the B-2 taxis to runway Zero-Six-Right (above, top left).

    10:29 am /// Boiling Sensors /// Before takeoff, the pilot turns on the sensorsâ(TM) heaters. Water in the sensors evaporates; the readings are now normal, but the earlier fix skews air-pressure data too low.

    10:30:12 am /// Slow Start /// The B-2 starts takeoff. The on-board flight computer displays the wrong airspeed, causing the pilot to lift off at 133 knots (153 mph) rather than the required 145 knots.

    10:30:50 am /// Auto Override /// The flight computer, relying on bad air-pressure readings, concludes the aircraft is in a nose-low altitude and automatically raises the nose to 30 degrees (top right).

    10:31:06 am /// Fiery Ending /// The B-2, going too slowly, with its nose angled too high, stalls. As the airplaneâ(TM)s wing scrapes the runway (bottom left), the pilot and commander safely eject. The B-2 crashes (bottom right).

    There you go, HUMAN ERROR!!

  39. The laugh's on you by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The military isn't "behind" in development - the rest of us are behind in testing and quality.

    Yeah, you laugh that they use CPUs an order of magnitude slower than your notebook. But they can't afford a BSOD, a floating-point error or any of the other nonsense that you put up with every day. Their processors might be slower, but I wouldn't bet that - taking all things into account - their total productivity is.

    Software quality on the "bleeding edge", where most of us live, is abysmal, and that's putting it very nicely. Regular users are beta-testers, and that's if they're lucky. There is software being sold today that shouldn't qualify as an alpha version. When's the last time you bought a game, just for an extreme example, that did not already have a patch available before the box was on sale the first day?

    That's nonsense you can't afford in a billion-dollar plane with nuclear weapons on board.

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  40. Just Note by tekshogun · · Score: 2

    Like NASA the US Military does not jump on the latest and greatest technology for everything and for good reason. Some things they do but not all and not the most critical systems. The older technology has been tried and proven over time which makes it more trustworthy than the 15-year old's Alienwarez Octal Core "gaming" PC down the street. When you are flying your 2-billion dollar bomber aircraft over Baghdad and you don't want it to fall from the sky due to a floating point error that had never been seen because the processor is a year old and engineers rushed it to the production line. When you only have one rocket sending a single rover to Mars and the entire space program's life expectancy is hinging on the success, or failure, of this mission, you don't need a hardware failure of the SATA array because a small amount of cosmic radiation has an adverse effect on this one little chip unique to the controller.

  41. Re:Still no official word about B-2's use of anti- by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're insane if you think they're even remotely equivalent. Stealth is clever shapes and clever use of materials, mostly enabled by the vast increase in computing power which made it possible to model the radar characteristics of the aircraft more completely. (This is why the F-117 was shaped like a 1980s-era 3D rendering, all flat polygons and no curves: that was the best the computers of the time could handle.) Stealth has absolutely zero application outside of the military. On the other hand, electrogravitics would be an enormous revolution in fundamental physics as well as in applied technology, and would revolutionize nearly every aspect of our lives in the same way that quantum mechanics has.

    It's plausible for an applied technology that has no use outside of the military to stay locked up in black programs for a while. It is utterly implausible for a massive theoretical breakthrough which changes a great deal of known physics to do the same.

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  42. Re:Not so stealthy? by icebrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It didn't help that NATO aircraft were flying the same tracks night after night. The Serbian air defense guys picked up on it, and (it is suspected) laid a trap, of sorts. Remember, too, that when the aircraft opens the weapons bay doors, those doors aren't stealthy. The radar signature will bloom significantly while they're open, and they might have gotten one or two good returns during that period. Even something like a screw sticking up, or a door not closing quite all the way, can harm the radar signature.

    There are also some reports of spying, like guys with cellphones watching aircraft take off on missions and reporting it, or even someone "inside" with access to the air tasking order.

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  43. Scores a 6.3 on the Napoleon scale! by sponglish · · Score: 2

    The Napoleon scale rates aircraft/spacecraft on the likelihood that they would have enabled him to win the Battle of Waterloo.

    B-52: 0
    B-2: +6.3
    U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701): +3,000,000.5
    Death Star (Mk II): +4,000,000

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  44. Re:There's a (BETTER) Reason for That by Goldenhawk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I worked on a Navy jet upgrade about 10 years ago. It was a project to replace an antiquated (read that as "wire-wrap technology") autopilot computer with a brand-new, spiffy, fully digital autopilot computer. Of course, just like the B-2, it had to be a form/fit replacement.

    I was shocked when, at the first design review, the contractor said they would be using an 80286 as the CPU. Remember, this is 1995. The 80286 was introduced in 1984. By 1995, the Pentium was the standard. So of course I asked "Why use such an older processor, when a newer one would be much much faster?"

    Their answer was essentially one word.

    HEAT.

    The 286 had perfectly adequate processing power to run the fairly simple algorithms needed for autopilot and related functions, including all the error detection and fault logging, as well as the required 2x of government-mandated growth allowance (you MUST use less than 50% of clock times in your design). Using anything more high-powered would generate more heat (which must be dissipated somewhere in the closed environment), and use more current. On a 1960's era airplane, with Kapton wiring and its risk of insulation fires, and its limited power generation ability, you don't toss in higher heat and power requirements without VERY good reasons.

    The result turned out to be perfectly adequate, and a vast improvement over the original design.

    Let me toss out another interesting statistic. From what I remember from a recent brief, Boeing is right now delivering upgrades to its commercial airline fleet autopilot/navigation computers with 32Mb of data storage installed for the navigation database. Just 32Mb. That's what you're sitting behind in every Southwest or United or American flight you enjoy. With memory so cheap, why not put more in? Same logic, same ideas: for commericial and military programs, you don't overbuild a device just because you can. You'd better have a REALLY good reason to make a change.

    We geeks tend to forget that overclocking and water-cooling and 8Gb RAM and 2-TB hard drives are thousands of times overkill for very many purposes.

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