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Notebook Storage SSDs and HDs Compared

The Raindog sends us a particularly timely showdown article comparing seven 2.5" mobile hard drives, four of them HDs and three SSDs, across a wide range of application, file-copy, power-consumption, and noise-level tests. Tom's Hardware was recently forced to issue a correction to a claim, which we discussed here, that SSDs aren't actually much more power-thrifty than HDs. The Tech Report's in-depth comparison provides some data points on the question of whether solid-state storage is ready to supplant traditional mechanical hard drives, but notes that the price disparity is still substantial.

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  1. It's not the power efficiency... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the lack of moving parts. Try dropping both types repeatedly and see which one stops working first.

    1. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by MagdJTK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fair enough, but is this particularly relevant to the market? Sure, it would be nice, but would you rather pay a couple of hundred quid or just look after the computer in the first place?

      The way I see it is that geeks would replace their laptop early enough that the HD will probably last long enough and that casual users won't want the extra expense. I think to be honest, the performance difference is the only real advantage and as soon as the prices come down, I'm getting one!

    2. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depends on what you're doing. If you have a laptop that just travels between home, the office and maybe a cafe or two, then no. You don't need a solid state hard drive. If, however, you do a lot of traveling with your laptop, you may very well drop it once or twice, especially if you're hurried at an airport or some other such situation. Are SSDs for everyone? No, but for power users who are on the go a lot, they make your data a lot safer.

    3. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by MagdJTK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fair enough --- I can see how they would be very useful in the kind of environment the Panasonic Toughbook was designed for.

    4. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by kesuki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      flash based drives simplify mil spec laptops, though. imagine having to design a laptop with a conventional HDD knowing that it has to survive being thrown into the back of a jeep carelessly, or be able to still work after a soldier pile dived on top of it trying to avoid machine gun fire, or even expected to still work if it had taken a pretty big shock as a result of nearby artillery or grenade blasts.

      they used to have really good shock absorbing cages to protect the drive...

    5. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, it would be nice, but would you rather pay a couple of hundred quid or just look after the computer in the first place?

      It's not really a matter of looking after the computer in the first place. There is demand for a rugged computer that can be manhandled without it breaking apart. When I come home I want to toss my computer on my desk like I do with my keys and wallet. After I've surfed a while I want to toss my computer on the coffee table like I do with magazines. The whole "holy laptop" approach where you have to carry it around on a silk cushion and press the keys one at a time so as not to hurt its feelings is the reason I've never bothered buying one.

    6. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by ozamosi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was babysitting my mother's new puppy a few months back.

      I was happily IRC:ing away from the couch, when I heard the puppy standing by the door.

      For those of you that don't know, the thing about puppies is that they do prefer to pee outside, but their bladder system isn't really that good, so when they decide they want to go out, you only have a few seconds to avoid an accident.

      So, I quickly put my laptop on the table, throw my headset away, and start to quickly move towards the door. Unfortunately, I didn't really put the computer down very good - half of it was hanging outside the table. As I tried to move past it, my knee touched it, and that was enough to throw the computer of the table, letting it fall for 4-5 decimeters before it hit the floor. It gave up a faint "peeep!" before it died.

      My hard drive only kindof worked after that - booting was fine, but there were lots of broken clusters that sent the computer into a (seemingly) infinite loop, forcing the computer to use all CPU resources waiting for the hard drive, in effect freezing it. Slowly but surely, more and more clusters broke down, more and more files got damaged, until I finally bought a new drive. Trust me - at that point, I really, really wanted to buy a SSD.

      Oh well, at least the puppy got out in time...

    7. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by schnikies79 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of the two times I've seen a laptop dropped (to the point of something breaking), the screen broke, not the hard drive.

      SSD's do nothing for this.

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    8. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by pthisis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For me the selling points is noise. Most of the time whatever machines I'm near are plugged in, but having a nearly silent media pc in the living room, having a silent instant-on music player in the bedroom, and having a whir-less office would increase my happiness for many hours out of the day.

      Power savings would be pretty nice, too, but much less often.

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    9. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Informative

      On warm sea-level areas (such as a caribbean beach), high RPM harddrives tend to fail rather quickly. SSDs would operate just fine.

    10. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by nko321 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have kids and it isn't an option for me to simply stop using the laptop when the two year olds are around. I need zilch for storage capacity and love longevity. $200 more for a notebook that lasts a year longer, speculatively speaking? Sign me up!

    11. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by keytoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When I come home I want to toss my computer on my desk like I do with my keys and wallet. After I've surfed a while I want to toss my computer on the coffee table like I do with magazines. The whole "holy laptop" approach where you have to carry it around on a silk cushion and press the keys one at a time so as not to hurt its feelings is the reason I've never bothered buying one.

      You know, there are degrees of ruggedness between carrying it on a pillow and beating the shit out of it. I've had a laptop at my side pretty much constantly for upwards of 10 years now. At no time have I ever treated it as anything other than a tool. I don't baby my tools. I don't coo to it wistfully at the end of the day. I don't 'press the keys one at a time'. I also don't fling it across the house - but I don't do that to my socket wrenches either.

      In all those 10 years of laptop lugging, I have never required any repairs or replacement due to mishaps. If you truly haven't bought a laptop because you picture them as fragile, I highly recommend you pick one up and give it a try. There is something to be said for carrying around a fully functional workstation wherever you go. Just remember that there is a continuum between 'holy laptop' and 'throw it across the room' - it's not a quantum step.

    12. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by billcopc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my experience, it's not so much shock as it is heat that kills the drive. When you encase a high-performance hard drive in a cheap plastic coffin, it can't withstand much sustained usage. Now if only laptop makers would turn that drive caddy into a semi-decent heatsink, things would probably be different.

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    13. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by jomiolto · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, the packaging is designed to keep the bits in, even if you drop the drive. However, the force of the impact can clutter all the bits in one corner of the drive, giving them no space to move and change their state, so you should give the drive a good solid shake if you happen to drop it. That way the bits will be spread evenly inside the drive again, and they may happily continue their data storing existence, without the fear of bumping to their grumpy neighbour.

    14. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by Millenniumman · · Score: 3, Informative

      HDDs are really not the main thing to worry about when a laptop is dropped or damaged. Screens are much more expensive than HDs, and much harder to replace. Now, data on HDDs is another story, potentially very valuable or important and impossible to replace, but it can be backed up.

      Also, for the same price as a single SSD you could buy literally dozens of HDDs with more than double the storage as the SSD, so in terms of price, even if you pretend SSDs are super reliable and don't even need backup they are still more expensive than dealing with the unreliability of HDs. Obviously, it is much more convient when your hardware doesn't fail, even if it can be replaced fairly easily and cheaply, with minimal data loss, but HDDs are only one compontent of several that can be damaged and make your computer unusable, and with their incredibly limited storage SSDs are much more inconvient. You won't lose your data even if the thing is destroyed, because it won't fit on there in the first place.

      Obviously, SSDs have some places where they excel, but at current prices and storage levels they are way over-hyped and over-used. The eee is an especially glaring example of this, putting a ridiculously high end component into a low end machine, forcing a incredibly low amount of storage.

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    15. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Take the hard drive out of the broken screen unit and put it in a new unit.
      Sixty seconds later you are back in business.

      The cost of the hardware is immaterial compared to the contents on the drive.

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    16. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've never had to repair anything due to mishaps, and I treat my laptop with reasonable care. However, I have had to replace two laptop hard drives on three occasions due to drive failures in the last ten years. Actually, make that two in the past five years, and none prior to that. One was an acoustic failure (loud, whining drive, but worked perfectly for the better part of a year in that state before I bothered to get it replaced). The other one... I put the machine to sleep, woke it up a minute later, and the drive wouldn't spin up, making a click-of-death "can't find track zero" noise. My suspicion is that it was a failure of the head due to abrasion as it drags across the ramp when parking.

      Mechanical failures don't just happen to people who abuse their machines. Yes, they happen much more frequently to people who treat their machines like excrement, but they also happen randomly for no apparent reason... usually due to flaws in the mechanical design. Some drives have bad ramps that put too much stress on the heads when they park. Some drives have bearings that eventually start to leak oil all over the disk surface. And so on. I'd be much happier if I never had to deal with a Winchester drive again... particularly in laptops.

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    17. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by Nightspirit · · Score: 5, Funny

      I dropped my fujitsu laptop multiple times this year and it styiklkl worklsd fklaweklersdsdklerty

    18. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      However it is a very important example of exactly why SSD drives a important for portable computers, drop factor and, that is especially important for UMPC's especially in school use, where drops will be a expected now add OLED displays and you have significant improvements in reliable and battery life. So all you have to do is wait out patent greed because the obviously simpler construction method of SSD drives versus spinning platters means they will eventually end up being cheaper.

      Not to be too picky on Toms hardware, but they are a well known cash for comment web site (ie. vista has 'nearly' the same performance as xp) and, that article is about as wishy washy as can be and implies a whole lot without saying anything at all.

      Gees don't you know, V8s and tiny 4 cylinders use about much the same fuel 'er' when a car is rolling down a hill and your foot is off the accelerator or when in 'er' 'energy saving mode' and the engine is like switched off.

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    19. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by ArtistFrmrlyKnwnAsAC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wrote another comment recently about building my own flash drive with a couple of 16gb CF chips and an adapter from Addonics. I left out *why* I did this. I'm very rough with my tablet PC, and a spill earlier this year killed the mechanical drive. That was the 3rd drive to die for various reasons relating to rough use over the previous four years in this particular tablet. Six months of very rough use later, I've had absolutely no problems with the flash chips. The notebook is as fast with my homemade drive as the old 7200rpm that died, but now it runs cooler and completely silent, and gets about 25 more minutes of battery life at full load. The performance is a nice side-effect (compilers and IDEs like a fast drive), but my original intent was to have something that could survive my daily bike commute in a padded saddle bag over 20mi of bumpy roads + random dropping/banging around. Couldn't be happier so far.

    20. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by GDI+Lord · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh well, at least the puppy got out in time...

      What a relief!

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    21. Re:It's not the power efficiency... by AioKits · · Score: 3, Informative

      Out of curiosity, have you ever seen actual 'ruggedized' military equipment?

      Take a peek at these: http://www.amrel.com/federal_military_computer/rocky_patriot_rugged_notebook.html

      This isn't even going into the fire systems equipment that is ruggedized.

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  2. How about a link? by digitac · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think someone forgot a critical link... try this for the Tech Report article:

    http://techreport.com/articles.x/15079

    1. Re:How about a link? by The+Ancients · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think someone forgot a critical link...

      I think someone forgot they're on /.

    2. Re:How about a link? by MBCook · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about the link to the just published (today) update on Tom's that not only has useful methodologies, but shows a new OCZ drive that wipes the floor with the rest of the drives in both power draw and performance?

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  3. What about recovery? by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've read that the algorithms used in SSD's are usually proprietary. The problem with SSD's is that they DIDN'T fix the wear leveling problem. It exists, just a lot slower now due to the algorithms referenced above. If my drive dies, I'll have to find a service that can recover my files, but they will have to be certified in samsung, seagate, white label, etc. I really feel uncomfortable with that idea.

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    1. Re:What about recovery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've read that the algorithms used in SSD's are usually proprietary. The problem with SSD's is that they DIDN'T fix the wear leveling problem. It exists, just a lot slower now due to the algorithms referenced above. If my drive dies, I'll have to find a service that can recover my files, but they will have to be certified in samsung, seagate, white label, etc. I really feel uncomfortable with that idea.

      You could just backup your files...

    2. Re:What about recovery? by Ortega-Starfire · · Score: 2, Funny

      Backup your files? Now that's just silly.

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    3. Re:What about recovery? by MagdJTK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mean no disrespect, but I think this attitude is a bit damaging. A lot of people seem to think that a recovery service is a replacement for a backup regime rather than a last resort if an absolute disaster has occured.

    4. Re:What about recovery? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Informative

      TFA says for a 60G disk, with 50G written daily, the drive will last for 33 years in respect to wear.

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    5. Re:What about recovery? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The larger the drive, the more space to spread the wear.

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    6. Re:What about recovery? by supertux · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is my understanding (I read it on the internet somewhere) that every flash device has some form of wear leveling built in, except for the actual raw flash chips. So if you solder flash chips onto some device, you'll need to format those flash chips with jffs2 or similar because jffs2 will perform its own wear leveling.

      As for compact flash as a hard drive, I have been using an 8GB Transcend 266x CF connected to an addonics CF->Sata adapter for use as the OS drive in my gentoo based mythtv system. Man, it really kicks butt.

      I've only been running it for about 10 or 11 months now, but so far I've had no problems. The mysql database mythtv uses gets updated all the time. Since it is a gentoo system and I like to keep it up to date, the CF sees a lot of compiling action.

      Speaking of which, having portage run off the flash has sped up my compiles way more than distc or ccache ever did for me. Or put another way, for compiling from, the flash drive is a godsend.

      Performance is good as I get a consistent 40MB a second for sequential reads, and a consistent 34MB a second for sequential writes.

  4. Practical observations by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Boils down to a couple of things: Reliability = Good, Speed = Good, Space = Fair , Cost = Why can't I pirate this! Damn, but that would be "stealing". When the cost goes down and the size comes up a bit, Ill be ready to buy one.

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    1. Re:Practical observations by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Reliability = Good, Speed = Good, Space = Awful , Cost = Not this decade, Charlie Brown.

      And for all those saying "no moving parts - what if I drop my laptop?" - If you drop your lappy hard enough to break a modern drive, you'll probably be shopping for a replacement. Unlike those "tests", laptops don't land flat and square.

      (queue all the "but I dropped my laptop and the only thing that broke was the hard drive" posts)

    2. Re:Practical observations by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I have a funny story. For Marines in Iraq movies get passed around on HD's alot. Me and some buddies had a 320g external hd at the time. Well, one day theyre watching Lost and we get attacked, I jump down and kick the cord. We all watched in Tivo slomo while the poor thing went all the 3 feet from desk to floor. It even had the entire album of some of my fancy themselves rappers friends. They blamed me, I blamed them for stringing a 10 foot usb to the laptop (which was hooked to a projector, its funny what you can get in the middle of nowhere when you know the supply officer)and the terrorist blamed the hard-drive. We lost over 200 movies, and SSD just might have stopped the whole thing, and now im ranting, but theres one of my war stories, buy me beer/scotch if you want more/better ones.

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    3. Re:Practical observations by MikeUW · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dropped my laptop once - actually, it kind of cartwheeled up into the air as I pulled it out of my backpack, then crashed on the ground.

      No my hard drive didn't break - but it landed square on the end with the wireless card sticking out of it, and crushed the card. Fortunately the rest of it was fine.

      In fact, I've never had a notebook drive die in any way (though maybe by saying so I've jinxed myself). Lots of desktop drives have died on me though...and I never dropped any of those.

    4. Re:Practical observations by Pebby · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, while your laptop is off, your HDD is as likely to break as anything, but while it is ON and accessing data, that sucker is spinning. A big jostle can seriously damage it. Panasonic Toughbooks even had shock-mounted HDDs in them to stop this. Solid state drives completely eliminate the worry about spinning - this is why we can manhandle our cellphones without worry while they're ON. It's not like with a spinning CD in a Discman - the optical lens is nowhere near as close to the CD as the parts in a HDD are crammed together.

    5. Re:Practical observations by vivin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Us Army guys had one of those in Iraq too - we called it the "Whore"-Drive. I destroyed my laptop drive there, but it was mainly intentional. I was trying to connect it to the crappy wireless we had, and I got so frustrated that I punch my laptop. Repeatedly. The HD didn't like that.

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    6. Re:Practical observations by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe you need a modern laptop hard drive

      * SecurePark - WD's SecurePark technology parks the recording heads off the disk surface during spin up, spin down and when the drive is off. This ensures the recording head never touches the disk surface resulting in improved long term reliability due to less head wear, and improved shock tolerance.

      * ShockGuard - WD's ShockGuard technology protects the drive mechanics and platter surfaces from shocks during shipping and handling and in daily operation.

      * Free-fall Sensor - As an added layer of protection, if the drive (or the system it's in) is dropped while in use, WD's free-fall sensor detects that the drive is falling and, in less than 200 milliseconds, parks the head off the disks to help prevent damage and data loss.

      * WhisperDrive - WD's exclusive WhisperDrive technology combines state-of-the-art seeking algorithms that result in one of the quietest 2.5-inch drives on the market.

      I've got 2 x 320-gb WD drives in my laptop - VERY quiet, very good performance - can you even BUY 320gig SSDs?

    7. Re:Practical observations by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I got so frustrated that I punch my laptop

      Never punch inanimate objects. You cannot win. Something will probably break, and both options are bad. I found this out when I got cross and punched a monitor. It was a while ago, so it was a CRT.

      I never punched a computer again.

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  5. Re:Obviously the goggles do work by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody reads them anyway, so apparently the editors have decided not to bother including links anymore.

  6. Re:How can a 32gb Thumb Drive by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're missing SLC vs. MLC and high-performance controllers.

  7. All those design points are incongruous by gelfling · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would love an SSD for r/w performance that blows a mechanical drive out of the water.

    I would love an SSD that doesn't use much power.
    I would love an SSD that's shockproof.
    I would love an SSD that runs cool.
    I would love an SSD that's silent.
    I would love an SSD that roughly the same price performance of a mechanical drive.

    The problem is, it can't be all of those things. It can't even be most of those things. So pick the ones you need.

  8. Re:How can a 32gb Thumb Drive by owlstead · · Score: 2, Informative

    And high quality tested parts. At least that was what I read in an article by someone that checked if the SSD drives were ready for deployment in his server farm. These guys like to do rigorous testing and good information, at least the professional ones.

    Don't forget that these controllers are brand spanking new, and they are not in their 1000th revision like the controllers used on the hard drives. I'm really looking forward to the Intel designed drives. I presume that they will use their own controllers - the first showings seem to be very positive (no numbers posted yet).

  9. SLC vs. MLC flash by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought modern, high density flash memory had only a ~3000 cycle life. The old, single bit/gate memory was good for 100,000 write cycles, but I think those parts topped out at a few megabytes.

    Single-level-cell NAND flash is still produced, for use in the faster, (slightly) more expensive drives with longer warranties. And multi-level-cell NAND flash is usually guaranteed for 10,000 writes, not 3,000. And the number quoted on the data sheet is the minimum longevity for each sector; more writes than that are possible. The CF controller doesn't retire a sector until it starts returning too many just-barely-correctable errors.

  10. Re:How can a 32gb Thumb Drive by billcopc · · Score: 4, Informative

    The thumb drive will die young if you use it as a hard drive, they're typically only designed for 10-15k write cycles (per cell). They also use MLC cells, which store two bits each - that doubles the capacity, but quadruples the error rate. Errors are usually corrected via parity/ECC, but obviously if you have more errors, you're more likely to exceed the ECC threshold.

    There's also the issue with performance. A thumb drive might get 10-15mb/sec on a good day, 20 if you pay way too much money for a "dual channel" unit. Hard drives are expected to deliver 40mb/sec minimum these days, else your apps will take forever to load.

    If you really want to be a wacko, you could try RAID-0 across a bunch of thumb drives. You'll get the performance back, but good god you're playing with fire.

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  11. The best thing since the MOUSE by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    SSDs are the best thing to happen to PCs since the invention of the mouse.

    I have had a MemoRight GT for 3 months now, and my laptop feels amazing. I am disappointed Tom didn't include one in his review.

    Because the seek speed is 40x + than an HDD, data access is blazing fast on even the cheaper SSDs. The hangup is in the slow read/write speeds and problems with random access. MemoRight GT is the first SSD I saw that was faster than HDDs in all of these areas, and hence it not only outperforms I/O wise, you get the full benefit of fast access... And this will make your PC feel 4x faster.

    Everything becomes faster. Web pages load faster. Email arrives faster. Windows moves faster. No more HDD cache writing lag or "what is my HDD doing" moments.

    I don't care that much for battery life, though I am sure some do. As Tom concludes, that is pretty much a spec you just need to look out for, so if you want it, look for a drive that has it.

    What I do love though is the silence. Anyone who has gone through an HDD failure is sensitive to HDD sounds probably more than they know, or would like.

    SSDs make no sound, and there are no strange vibrations.

    I spent close to 2K on the drive, but it was worth every penny. If I buy a new SSD when the 3rd generation drives arrive, my Memoright will still always have a place in one of my notebooks.

  12. Re:How can a 32gb Thumb Drive by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And how many users will write over 320 terrabytes to their hard drive during it's lifetime? That's 190 days of continuous writing at 20MByte/sec. I wish people would stop citing write cycle limits, I have yet to hear from anyone who's actually failed a drive this way.

    It's called... wear leveling algorithms.

    The future is actually probably going to be a hybrid of SLC and MLC. I read a paper recently on this. They got about the same performance as SLC only, using only a small amount of SLC.

  13. Re:SSD and my EEE. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unfortunately, they're not very _big_. 32 Gig for a hard drive is fairly pitiful these days: the hard drives stacked against SSD in Tom's Hardware's article were typically 10 times the disk size. So our soldier boy in the story above, where they had 200 movies they lost in an attack on their campsite, would have had to have 10 times as many drives. The power savings and stability are great for small scenarios and high availability resources, such as laptop drives or small, encrypted filesystems. But for overall storage, having to pay the power, cooling, and space cost of _10_ drives rather than a single hard drive makes no sense.

    But my goodness, that OCZ brand drive blew the others out of the water in the tests, didn't it? I'm very glad they added it to their tests so that I know about it for reference on future projects. _WOW_, that's a good drive!