I loathe FB and their policies as much as the next person, but the problem is that, as another commenter pointed out, FB is very much requirement for arranging events and communicating because of the social inertia. Sure, you don't need a cell phone either! Throw it out, just communicate with people on your land line! Okay.. that's a little tricky.. the world moves on without me. You know, you don't need a phone at all. Just communicate with people by pen and paper!
Of course all of this is doable, but it is absurd to speak in absolutes and ignore that if everyone around you is 'speaking a new language' you can get by just by keeping the old one. You have to twist arms or be less efficient. Remember, at the end of the day, no one really cares about the implementation details: I just want to be able to talk to my friends, organize social gatherings, and share information.
We/I care because we understand the privacy/corporate-control implications, but... where do we go from here?
I agree - it's not fair to generalize, and you find people are unique too quickly and not such a crowd one might think. Just to feed (har) your anecdote some more: I am 10+ year vegetarian, I generally avoid processed foods (but, I mean, cheese is 'processed' so it's dumb to make a blanket statement like that), but I have no opinion on 'the right diet' for anyone but myself. I know what makes me feel good when I eat it, so I eat it. I don't eat meat for moral and taste reasons, and I'm happy to explain if you ask... but, that's me. I don't care if you eat a hamburger in front of me or cook a steak at my house, so long as I don't have to eat it. Live your way.
Also, the 'no GMO' and 'buy organic' crowds, if there are such things, can be easily misinterpreted. Some people don't like the food monopoly. Some people don't like Monsanto. That all might come out as 'chemicals are bad' in some context, but there may actually be some other thoughts besides that conclusion.
As for people whining about this product, remember the old joke 'how do you know someone's a vegan? they'll tell you.' No one is making you eat it.. let's let individuals decide.
You're already at 5, so instead of mod points, I just want to give you my thanks. There's been plenty of discussion in this thread from you, but this one really hits the nail on the head with the concept of being human.
I am aware of these stories, and I still have been using a neti pot regularly for about 3 years now... with tap water (or distilled when I travel).
Real question: given the apparently low number of incidents like this and the fact that all the stories I have read come from the SE United States (I am not there).. what are the actual odds of me killing myself from an amoeba as opposed to dying in a car crash? I know the number of people who drive is far higher than the number of people who use neti pots, but if 2 out of 1 million neti pot users die like this every year, well... let's just say I don't mind playing the odds.
I actively encourage my employees to stay home when they're sick. I realize we all can't work in these strange utopias of logic, but losing one guy for a week is much better than him coming in and getting 3 other people sick for a week. From a pure numbers standpoint, I don't get how people don't see how it's a GOOD thing to tell people to take care of themselves.
One of my only office pet-peeves is when someone shows up to work next to me with an obvious illness. Then I get sick. Arrrrrrgh.
Just for a bit of fair perspective - clubbing and dancing wound up being my 'higher' social hobby. When I turned 21, I immediately started going out dancing at clubs, since they played the music I like. Eventually I became a DJ, and, while I don't drink while I'm at clubs, I would still not write off clubs as bad places to explore your hobbies and have fun.
I would guess the average intelligence of plenty of my crowds are lower than a Salsa group, but, trust me, there are _tons_ of engineers/programmers who love dancing and (80's/goth/alternative - i.e. not hip-hop) music: I've met several folks from Apple, an entrepeneur from Yahoo, etc.
Whatever it is, the key point to remember is that socializing with mutual intellectual/emotional/physical interests will always be more valuable than forced, normalized socializing.:)
Nexus doesn't even come close. How about the Nokia N900. It's pretty much Debian Linux running on an ARM processor. I can open xterm and type 'su' and do whatever I want. There's always a mention of it in any of these phone threads, but it never seems to get headlines on Slashdot for some reason.
Yes, but the problem here is that you have control. If you published your personal data on YOUR site, that's your choice - you can remove it, change it. It's your data.
As soon as you give it to FB, they can do whatever they want with it, including not deleting or changing it.
I wish I could just pay less money to see the 2D version. My problem is that my favorite, local, single-screen theater is now only showing the 3D versions of films. I have to go to crummier theaters if I want to avoid headache.
Ah, yes, you can "[use] entertainment applications... play movies, browse the web, play music," but can you run Dawn of War 2 and iTunes? I don't think a lot of people are as software-oriented as we are - 'playing music' isn't something you do outside of iTunes. If it doesn't run the thing you are used to using, what good is it?
I just think we need to figure out how to teach that software is replaceable and modular, which is the best part about open source in my opinion. People are used to Windows, they're used to Microsoft Word-like omnipotent software, not UNIX-like bits and pieces. How do we teach people to view computers differently?
I think what needs to be said is that ANY model can be driven into the ground by people who don't know what they're doing. Having good managers who can create and follow through with a working strategy is better than having the best laid plan that no one is following.
For the car analogy, you can't say 'well, if the car was better, he wouldn't have crashed' - the driver still neglected to stay on the road.
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I loathe FB and their policies as much as the next person, but the problem is that, as another commenter pointed out, FB is very much requirement for arranging events and communicating because of the social inertia. Sure, you don't need a cell phone either! Throw it out, just communicate with people on your land line! Okay.. that's a little tricky.. the world moves on without me. You know, you don't need a phone at all. Just communicate with people by pen and paper!
Of course all of this is doable, but it is absurd to speak in absolutes and ignore that if everyone around you is 'speaking a new language' you can get by just by keeping the old one. You have to twist arms or be less efficient. Remember, at the end of the day, no one really cares about the implementation details: I just want to be able to talk to my friends, organize social gatherings, and share information.
We/I care because we understand the privacy/corporate-control implications, but... where do we go from here?
Jesus Chrysler, guys... this joke only Benz so far.
I agree - it's not fair to generalize, and you find people are unique too quickly and not such a crowd one might think. Just to feed (har) your anecdote some more: I am 10+ year vegetarian, I generally avoid processed foods (but, I mean, cheese is 'processed' so it's dumb to make a blanket statement like that), but I have no opinion on 'the right diet' for anyone but myself. I know what makes me feel good when I eat it, so I eat it. I don't eat meat for moral and taste reasons, and I'm happy to explain if you ask... but, that's me. I don't care if you eat a hamburger in front of me or cook a steak at my house, so long as I don't have to eat it. Live your way.
Also, the 'no GMO' and 'buy organic' crowds, if there are such things, can be easily misinterpreted. Some people don't like the food monopoly. Some people don't like Monsanto. That all might come out as 'chemicals are bad' in some context, but there may actually be some other thoughts besides that conclusion.
As for people whining about this product, remember the old joke 'how do you know someone's a vegan? they'll tell you.' No one is making you eat it.. let's let individuals decide.
You're already at 5, so instead of mod points, I just want to give you my thanks. There's been plenty of discussion in this thread from you, but this one really hits the nail on the head with the concept of being human.
The "console tax" is not a fee that Microsoft or Sony charges.
Patently untrue. First-parties charge developers a fee to be licensed and release content for their consoles. Source: am a game developer.
I am aware of these stories, and I still have been using a neti pot regularly for about 3 years now... with tap water (or distilled when I travel).
Real question: given the apparently low number of incidents like this and the fact that all the stories I have read come from the SE United States (I am not there).. what are the actual odds of me killing myself from an amoeba as opposed to dying in a car crash? I know the number of people who drive is far higher than the number of people who use neti pots, but if 2 out of 1 million neti pot users die like this every year, well... let's just say I don't mind playing the odds.
I actively encourage my employees to stay home when they're sick. I realize we all can't work in these strange utopias of logic, but losing one guy for a week is much better than him coming in and getting 3 other people sick for a week. From a pure numbers standpoint, I don't get how people don't see how it's a GOOD thing to tell people to take care of themselves.
One of my only office pet-peeves is when someone shows up to work next to me with an obvious illness. Then I get sick. Arrrrrrgh.
Just for a bit of fair perspective - clubbing and dancing wound up being my 'higher' social hobby. When I turned 21, I immediately started going out dancing at clubs, since they played the music I like. Eventually I became a DJ, and, while I don't drink while I'm at clubs, I would still not write off clubs as bad places to explore your hobbies and have fun.
I would guess the average intelligence of plenty of my crowds are lower than a Salsa group, but, trust me, there are _tons_ of engineers/programmers who love dancing and (80's/goth/alternative - i.e. not hip-hop) music: I've met several folks from Apple, an entrepeneur from Yahoo, etc.
Whatever it is, the key point to remember is that socializing with mutual intellectual/emotional/physical interests will always be more valuable than forced, normalized socializing. :)
I was babysitting a 5 year old in high school
5 years old and in high school... were you babysitting for Stephen Hawking's family?
Check out Launchy. It is seriously awesome and snappy (especially if you tune it to not show the flashy UI fades and such).
http://www.launchy.net/
Nexus doesn't even come close. How about the Nokia N900. It's pretty much Debian Linux running on an ARM processor. I can open xterm and type 'su' and do whatever I want. There's always a mention of it in any of these phone threads, but it never seems to get headlines on Slashdot for some reason.
Wait, wasn't this an episode of The Critic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Qr1Jm5cK2b4#t=283s
I agree. Costumers deserve to be treated well out of the theater, too!
Wouldn't this make every web browser illegal or subject to scrutiny/some sorts of rules about how it displays pages?
Would links be illegal because it does not display images?
Yes, but the problem here is that you have control. If you published your personal data on YOUR site, that's your choice - you can remove it, change it. It's your data.
As soon as you give it to FB, they can do whatever they want with it, including not deleting or changing it.
This costs money, Facebook costs privacy.
I'd rather pay money to have control of my own data. I can accrue more money, but once Facebook knows something, I can never get that privacy back.
I wish I could just pay less money to see the 2D version. My problem is that my favorite, local, single-screen theater is now only showing the 3D versions of films. I have to go to crummier theaters if I want to avoid headache.
The sad thing, to me, is not that this is happening, but, rather, that only a small minority seems to care about it.
Then, clearly, 2011 will be the year of the Sandboxed Linux Desktop.
Ah, yes, you can "[use] entertainment applications... play movies, browse the web, play music," but can you run Dawn of War 2 and iTunes? I don't think a lot of people are as software-oriented as we are - 'playing music' isn't something you do outside of iTunes. If it doesn't run the thing you are used to using, what good is it?
I just think we need to figure out how to teach that software is replaceable and modular, which is the best part about open source in my opinion. People are used to Windows, they're used to Microsoft Word-like omnipotent software, not UNIX-like bits and pieces. How do we teach people to view computers differently?
Are you using Comcast too? I started having this issue a few months ago and it also infuriates me!
Because no one runs a home web/mythtv/file/ftp/distcc/??? server! At least not according to my Comcast EULA.
Tiger-attack-preventing rocks could lead to a decrease in tiger attacks?
I think what needs to be said is that ANY model can be driven into the ground by people who don't know what they're doing. Having good managers who can create and follow through with a working strategy is better than having the best laid plan that no one is following.
For the car analogy, you can't say 'well, if the car was better, he wouldn't have crashed' - the driver still neglected to stay on the road.
Maybe that just indicates a good 99%+ of people are using XP? ;)