UK PM's Aide Loses BlackBerry In Chinese Honeytrap

longacre writes "The Times of London is today reporting a January incident in which a top aide to Prime Minister Gordon Brown discovered his BlackBerry missing from his hotel room after spending the night with an attractive woman who approached him in a Shanghai disco. Seems this was a run-of-the-mill BlackBerry without any encryption, only a simple password lock. The greatest fear is that, even if the device did not contain any sensitive messages at the time, there was likely enough information on board for a hostile intelligence service to snake its way deep into Downing Street's email servers. The aide was 'informally reprimanded.'"

Comments

Had it been a slashdotter...

[nacturation]

Would he have reported the loss of his virginity?
 

Re:Had it been a slashdotter...

[martin-boundary]

Ha! He actually tried, but the lameness filter prevented it...

Re:Had it been a slashdotter...

[dotancohen]

Would he have reported the loss of his virginity?

No, the Chinese media would have misreported it and made it into a sex scandal.

"Gordon Brown aide loses blackberry"
will be translated in Engrish as
"Gordon blown, has aids, loses cherry".

What they aren't telling us

[davidwr]

They aren't telling us that Scotland Yard did this deliberately just to see how the Chinese would react.

What the Chinese aren't telling us is they knew this was a trap and reacted accordingly.

What Scotland Yard also isn't telling us is that they knew the Chinese would see the trap and were counting on them to react accordingly.

What the Chinese also aren't telling us ....

oooh my head hurts.

Re:What they aren't telling us

[JustOK]

oooh my head hurts.

which was part of the plan all along.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[x_MeRLiN_x]

What makes you think the UK/US is any different?

certs connection?

[reiisi]

I was just posting in the article about ways of making certs work, and I see this.

Am I the only one who sees a connection between this and the problems we have getting certificates to actually mean what they are supposed to mean?

Actually, I see several connections.

Re:How foolish

[4D6963]

China is basically using Capitalism as their weapon by fixing the Yuen to the Dollar.

2005 just called, they want their now-outdated analysis back

Does PM Brown have any open positions?

[johannesg]

I promise not to carry anything sensitive, and I'll distract the attractive Chinese women for him so his secrets will remain safe!

Honeytrap? Proof?

[1u3hr]

The only facts given are the guy picked up a girl (or vice versa) at a disco, and the next morning his Blackberry was gone.

"Honeytrap"? Bullshit. What leads anyone to think it was anymore than the guy lost in in a taxi, or if the girl did take it, she sold it on to a second hand phone dealer for a few dollars.

I think if it was really a "vast Communist conspiracy" as the article implies, the agents would have copied the data from the phone and returned it later in the evening, leaving him none the wiser.

Much more important to consider is if the guy used the phone while he was in Beijing, there is an excellent chance that every keystroke, including passwords, was captured en route.

Re:Honeytrap? Proof?

[mewsenews]

intelligence gathering doesn't have to be subtle to be effective.

whether or not his phone ended up in the hands of a foreign service he was foolish to have it stolen so obviously.

Re:Honeytrap? Proof?

[LS]

you may be right, but as someone living in Beijing I can tell you that if you ever leave your bike or phone unguarded for one minute, there's a strong chance it will be gone the next time you look for it....

Re:Honeytrap? Proof?

[owlnation]

The only facts given are the guy picked up a girl (or vice versa) at a disco, and the next morning his Blackberry was gone.

Exactly. Occams Razor. In the UK, the New Labour Regime has a substantial history of losing important documents in large numbers. The Party and its employees are not generally known for their intelligence (as in brains, not spying). He's also British, thus at night he's most certainly drunk.

Q.E.D. He lost the Blackberry. He then lied to make himself seem like a more glamorous victim.

Most probably he's just a drunken, incompetent, liar. Like most everyone else in his Party.

Re:Honeytrap? Proof?

[pallmall1]

...he may not have been able to keep his penis out of the hands of the chinese...

Yeah, he should have just kept it in his own hands.

Re:Honeytrap? Proof?

[smallfries]

No. The parent hit the nail squarely on the end. If they had stolen his passwords and returned the device then they would have had access to his official email without him being any the wiser. Then they could have gathered intelligence on anything he had access to for the foreseeable future.

Stealing the device would just make Downing Street close the account and issue him a fresh one. Intelligence gathering does have to be subtle to be effective.

Re:Honeytrap? Proof?

[MythMoth]

Whereas the Tories will no doubt be a shining beacon of moral rectitude when they finally claw their way back into power?

What a load of crap; I detest this partisan bollocks. Politicians of all colours are for the most part honest with a lot of dissembling forced upon them by the spin that the media will put upon any straight and honest answers that they give.

There are bad apples (just as an example a Tory cabinet minister went to prison for perjuring himself in a libel action) but this "oh the government is a monster" crap obscures any real debate about their actual policies. We get the politicians we deserve. Unfortunately.

An aide losing his blackberry is not proof, or even an indicator, of anything at all about the government as a whole. Particularly not the version of the story reported by a right wing newspaper about the left wing government.

When the Tories get in, they will do an adequate job of running the country. Then their lustre will fade and much the same people who complain now will switch allegiance and hail Labour as the new hope for honesty in governance.

Re:Honeytrap? Proof?

[linzeal]

Stealing a password is easy on a blackberry because you have to enter it so often all you need is a high def 8+ megapixel camera and a good optical zoom. It is easy to steal any password you have to key in a public space.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[zach_d]

a valid point I suppose, I'm not certain their not, but they're on my side(ish). Clearly a double standard, but I'm OK with that.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[joocemann]

The level of espionage out of China is pretty ridiculous. I wonder how long this goes on before the trade advantage of dealing with them is over weighed by their rampant spying.

I don't know what country you are from, but I can almost be sure that your country is making the same efforts against other countries.

Govt fault, not the aide

[nighty5]

The fault has to lie with the government and not the aide.

This comes down to just bad security governance, even my blackberry is encrypted and our BES servers enforce security down to the handset so that you can't install any unauthorised applications.

These devices of course are prone to loss, and given the confidential information potentially held on these devices should be reason enough to enforce the appropriate security measures on the devices.

Re:Govt fault, not the aide

[Opportunist]

Exactly my thought.

I was doing IT security for a financial institution for a while. One of the first things I put my foot down about was the treatment of notebooks (it was the time before Blackberry). The doctrine was that every notebook had to treat its user as an "enemy" until the user identified himself. I spent a good deal of my time trying to hack those notebooks, and every success meant a change in protocol, in two cases it meant a complete change in hardware.

Security was paramount. I wonder why our governments consider security a secondary concern.

And the cover up

[Anonymous Coward]

The woman was not really attractive, he was just desperate.

Seriously, is the woman's attractiveness really pertinent to what happened, and was her attractiveness fact-checked? Or is "attractive Shanghai woman" a British idiom for "prostitute"?

Re:And the cover up

[pallmall1]

The woman was not really attractive, he was just desperate.

Maybe she came into the club as a 2, and he drank her up to an 8.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[zach_d]

My country doesn't have the budget, frankly. I'm Canadian.

Re:How foolish

[korean.ian]

Only a fool would think that an attractive chinese women in chinese disco is going to go to bed the first night with a westerner.

You've clearly never been to Asia. Rest assured you can see many examples of exactly this happening all over Asia.

Now send in 007 to get that Blackberry!

Oh no!

[dbIII]

a top aide to Prime Minister Gordon Brown discovered his BlackBerry missing from his hotel room

Brown trouser time!

snake its way deep into Downing Street's email servers

So the article is trouser snake meets honeypot - but it's a trap! Snap! Ow, Blackberries.

passwords?

[speedtux]

likely enough information on board for a hostile intelligence service to snake its way deep into Downing Street's email servers.

So, in addition to stupid aides that fall for Chinese spy-whores, the British government is incapable of changing the passwords on its mail servers?

Re:passwords?

[jd]

The MPs who have their own websites might be able to change their own passwords, but the Civil Service? C'mon, these are the guys that use "Yes, Prime Minister" as training material.

Re:passwords?

[ColaMan]

Let's see:

You are a chinese honeytrap now in possession of an aide's blackberry. It is 1am. The aide has passed out drunk three steps inside the front door of his flat, and won't be in any fit capacity until about 8am, when he realises his blackberry is missing and goes looking for it. The IT boys cancel his password at 9am.

That gives you 8 hours to:

- Read all his recent email, for starters. If they're doing IMAP, then god knows how many personal IMAP folders there are to browse through on the server. Look for the good folders like "Foreign Policy". "Sent Items" and "Drafts" can also be fascinating.

- Get his contact list, recent callers,etc, allowing you to analyse and see where this particular cog fits in the Government Machine. If he turns out to be a well-connected individual, it might pay in the future to keep an eye on him. If he's not well-connected, that's one more person you cross off the list.

- Possibly fire off a few trojans to a few "inside" email accounts on that list, who might accept them from a known,"trusted" source. Doesn't hurt to try something like "Revision to yesterday's document -- URGENT".

So you see, there's plenty of scope for mischief.

Re:passwords?

[h4rm0ny]

The final logical step of course, would be to put it back where you found it before he wakes up. Now that would be far better "spying" than just nicking the thing. So maybe it was just stolen.

Counter-arguments would be that if a woman was going to seduce a guy just to steal from him, you'd have seen more things go missing than just a blackberry. And even if the "spy" did want to take the blackberry, stealing other things as a cover would be better. This story is either incomplete or there is some inept work being done here.

If you can lose a blackberry...

[AlienIntelligence]

Ew, if you could lose a blackberry in that
Chinese Honeypot, I wouldn't stick around.

-AI

Re:If you can lose a blackberry...

[bobdotorg]

Ew, if you could lose a blackberry in that
Chinese Honeypot, I wouldn't stick around.

Use your Blackberry's light to find our way out?

Hell, let's use your Blackberry's light to find my keys, and we'll drive our way out.

Re:If you can lose a blackberry...

[Anonymous Coward]

There's no such thing as a BlackBerry without encryption. All data to and from a BlackBerry is TripleDES or AES encrypted, regardless if you're on a BES or using your carrier webmail.

If he's on a BES the problem is non-existent, the Admin can remotely wipe the BlackBerry with a single command.

Plus, if someone enters the password wrong ten times, the device wipes itself

The only security issue here is if the guy used a really easy password. And even that can be avoided because the admin can specify password complexity so users can't enter stuf like, '1234'

Re:If you can lose a blackberry...

[fiddlesticks]

'are you saying that everything on a Blackberry's drive is encrypted and therefore unretrievable if the password is lost?'

Yes, it is.

Individuals might have a blackberry with no encryption, and a weak password.

Anyone - like this guy - with a corporate blackberry will have an encrypted device and compulsory (annoying to the user - useful in this case) constant password checking and strong(ish) password policy enforcement.

Re:If you can lose a blackberry...

[blincoln]

If he's on a BES the problem is non-existent, the Admin can remotely wipe the BlackBerry with a single command.

Unless whoever stole the BlackBerry has put it inside a metal box, or taken it to a sub-basement, or done anything else to block it from receiving a signal.

Re:If you can lose a blackberry...

[phoenix.bam!]

Like turning it off.

Re:If you can lose a blackberry...

[AJWM]

For me, once I report my pda lost, the boys in corp will send a command to wipe the contents of the phone and remove all settings. I believe this option also exists for blackberry.

Won't do any good if whoever grabs the pda/blackberry immediately puts it in a shielded bag and thereafter any work on it is done in a shielded room (Faraday cage). If it's an organized intelligence operation doing this, you can bet that that's exactly what they'll do.

Better would be to add a deadman switch in the pda, which self-destructs if not periodically reset by a signal from home. The danger there is if the signal is lost for mundane reasons.

Re:If you can lose a blackberry...

[RockDoctor]

If he's on a BES the problem is non-existent, the Admin can remotely wipe the BlackBerry with a single command.

I'll admit straight up to never having touched a Blackberry except with my pint glass, to move it along the bar and make room for something else. I didn't need to read the manual to do that. But I doubt that this statement can possibly be correct without some additional specifications.
As-written, it would appear that an Admin, presumably somewhere in the world, can wipe a Blackberry by (typing?) a single command, without requiring any communication between the Admin and the Blackberry.
Err, right. I'm watching an episode of Gerry & Sylvia Anderson's "UFO" series ; they didn't postulate that technology. Neither did Gene 'Star Trek' Rodenberry in his universe - Uhuru has enough work to do twiddling knobs on the radio set (both neglect time-of-flight from Earth to Moon though).

If I were a barely competent electronic espionage planner, I'd have used some of my copious budget to buy a number of the systems under attack (since they're available at a low cost ; many people have died, painfully, paying the higher prices of obtaining more restricted systems). I'd have RTFM'd and found out about these capabilities, then I'd have found out (by experiment, backed-up by radio experience) how to block such electronic hara kiri instructions. And probably any other communication between the device and the rest of the world. A good start may simply have been two metallised-plastic crisp packets and an elastic band. Or, in the context of the "honey trap", perhaps a couple of wrapper for "female condom" - see the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnyC_v0-DQ4 to see the sort of size of these things. Close enough?
So your thief distracts the mark's attention, then while he's sleeping (need to slip something into his drink? Why not paint your nips with a mild skin-absorbed narcotic? Or is that too kinky for a /. discussion?) pop the Blackberry into your improvised-by-design radio quiet room and disappear to the facility where it can have it's electronic braincell picked at leisure.
Not the hardest mission outline to come up with. Maybe it'll need something a bit sturdier, like getting something ordered on Room Service by the thief, which arrives wrapped in aluminium foil to keep it warm.

I suppose that you could set these Blackberry things up so that they wipe their braincells each time they go out of contact with base. Yeah, that'll please the customer at the limits of connectivity. Otherwise, simply blocking reception of any signal by the unit before the mark realises that their braincell is missing, would be sufficient to prevent the device being wiped administratively. After which, it's down to conventional hardware hacking and cryptography.

Here's how they knew it was a honeytrap operation:

[Paul Crowley]

They know what the aide looks like.

ba-dump *tsssh*!

What was not reported.....

[runlevelfour]

...... the 'woman' picked up ended up being a dude in drag and that aide ended up losing more than his blackberry that night. *Always* remember the package check guys!

Re:technology savvy should be a job requirement

[Majik Sheff]

Of course. Then the aide will be so busy playing with his blackberry that he won't notice the attractive woman. Of course if he did notice her he'd still be too shy to talk to her.

I like your plan; it's sound.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[Admiral Ag]

Look up Echelon. You can't make an international phone call without the bastards snooping in on it. Our Lords and Masters have no understanding of what "privacy" means.

Let me get this straight.

[dreamchaser]

His Blackberry got shanghaied in Shanghai?

Because it sells

[khchung]

"News" have long ago lost any purpose of informing, assume it ever has that in the beginning. Nowadays, "news" is just baits used to catch your attention to advertisers, who are the real customer of any "news" organization, be it newspaper, TV or web site.

Which headline do you think catches more attention (thus earn more profit)? "Some guy lost his Blackberry?" or "Chinese spys strikes again"?

Re:Because it sells

[mjwx]

Which headline do you think catches more attention (thus earn more profit)? "Some guy lost his Blackberry?" or "Chinese spys strikes again"?

If you can read between the lines, the spy story is to cover up for the fact that someone found out that the aide's phone was stolen by a Chinese prostitute he bought back to his room. This is more about arse-covering than scare scaremongering, they are just trying to distract people from the fact that this guy was stupid enough to leave his phone lying about whilst he slept next to a Chinese girl he met only hours ago.

Think less espionage and more governmental stupidity.

He forgot to secure the client-side

[arcade]

Tsktsk.

He should get instructions on how to safely do Penetration Testing of the Chinese secret service. Clearly he forgot to secure the client side properly. Except for that, the article is a tad vague on whether the testing itself went smoothly and he found some holes.

*Ahem*

Re:He forgot to secure the client-side

[arcade]

Thinking a little bit more about it, I also hope he remembered to use a proper firewall/virus scanner to prevent malware infections. The article also forgets to mention whether he has signed a non-compete agreement when it comes to Penetration Testing - in case he might lose his current contract, for a one night consulting-job.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[dotancohen]

Our Lords and Masters have no understanding of what "privacy" means.

Funny, they feel the same way about you. "Those silly citizens have no idea what the word 'privacy' means anymore. Like it's something that we can't snoop into."

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[dotancohen]

My country doesn't have the attractive women, frankly. I'm Canadian.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[Z00L00K]

Members of the British Government will now be expecting an increased amount of spam and unsolicited phone salesmen calling to offer V1agra and other products.

Re:xenophobia

[dwater]

Every country does that, and yet some manage to still consider other countries friendly.

Anyway, in the case of the usa, I severly doubt it would make any difference at all. The usa seems to be stuck in this anti-communism era, even though China has little to do with that any more. With the USSR gone, the usa has few left to demonise, so China is the obvious target.

Still, not everyone on /. is from the usa, and yet these adsurd articles keep getting posted.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[MPAB]

Members of the British Government will now be expecting an increased amount of spam and unsolicited phone salesmen calling to offer V1agra and other products.

Will that be because of the data inside the phone or because of the chinese lady's detailed report?

Your data seem to contradict yourself

[The_Hun]

The Euro to Yuan is not fixed: according to the data linked by you it seems to have gone up from cca 9,3 to cca 10.7 - by about 15 percent.
Also the Dollar to Euro rate decreased by about 30 percent (and not 60).
Now, those are just rough calculations and IANASoros - so correct me if i'm wrong.

Aide?? - Sebastian?

[kramulous]

My guess was that the aide's name was Sebastian and after the recent bi-election there was call for a celebration! *clap hands* Champaign!

Re:xenophobia

[K. S. Kyosuke]

I admit that I *am* xenophobic. That's why I am running VirtualBox!

Re:How foolish

[slashmojo]

You've clearly never been to Asia. Rest assured you can see many examples of exactly this happening all over Asia

And so begins the great stampede of slashdot readers heading for asia.. ;)

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[Opportunist]

Not good at it, or not caring?

Our espionage agencies have to keep up the front of being the "good guy". We don't spy. We only have those spies to protect us from other spies, you know? Our secret agents are only good and shining examples, they don't steal information or conduct covert operations to kill someone, and if they do, we first of all make sure that whoever they want dead is so long slandered and labeled terrorist, communist or whatever the boogeyman of the day so people nod their heads and agree that this man is better dead.

China has no such problems. The people there know that they better not question the actions of their government. Oh, you mean international prestige? Ok, hate me. I'm the one building your crap for cheap, want to do business without me? Can your economy survive without me? So whether you hate me or not, you will continue to do business with me, do I care what you think of me?

Stolen by a prostitute, not agent.

[Max_W]

The phone was stolen by a prostitute, not an agent. It happens 100+ times per any given night in any large city.

Prostitutes do still phones and cash. WHat makes them think that it was an agent?

Certainly it would give them a selfrespect and a feeling of selfimportance.

But what really happened is that a hooker has got a blackberry stolen from a drunkard.

More precisely

[gatkinso]

"Only a fool would think that an attractive chinese women in chinese disco is not going to go to bed the first night with a westerner.

Subject

[Legion303]

"The aide was 'informally reprimanded.'"

Translation: "Dammit, Nigel, keep it in your bloody shorts next time!"

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[ettlz]

"Those silly citizens have no idea what the word 'privacy' means anymore. Like it's something that we can't snoop into."

Luckily, some of us do know what it means these days — privacy means two very large prime numbers.

Re:You're all making a bigger deal about this than

[Max_W]

I read that in London it is the widespread crime to steal a notebook from Wi-Fi cafe. There were cases when a notebook's owner was hit with a knife and after that the notebook was taken.

Following the logic they shold be the agents of foreign intellegence services running amok stelaing notebooks and mobile phones with data in London. But it is absurd.

They are stolen by trivial criminals for profit.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[Guido von Guido]

My country doesn't have the attractive women, frankly. I'm Canadian.

There, fixed that for you.

I just moved to downtown Toronto. I can assure you that you're wrong. Although perhaps we're stockpiling them.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[betterunixthanunix]

Actually, that's not quite correct. During the cold war, the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand ran a massive signal intercepting operation against the USSR's satellites, and (presumably) against its cables also. Following the collapse of the USSR, rumors started circling about this operation being used against the businesses of other countries, and it was revealed (unofficially) that several high profile businesses were being aided by their respective governments in literally stealing plans from foreign businesses (the case that comes to mind was a German firm that developed a new jet engine, and "coincidentally" Boeing managed to develop a nearly identical jet engine in a fraction of the time). To be fair, other governments do this to (including the Germans), but the US/UK/Ca/Au/NZ is the most extensive, or was prior to China's operation.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[dotancohen]

I'm glad to be wrong, for your sake. Links to pics build Karma, so I'm told :)

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[Richard_at_work]

(the case that comes to mind was a German firm that developed a new jet engine, and "coincidentally" Boeing managed to develop a nearly identical jet engine in a fraction of the time).

Boeing doesn't develop jet engines, it never has - its an airframe manufacturer, every jet engined aircraft it has developed has used a third party engine. I can't for the life of me think what 'new jet engine' you could possibly be talking about either.

Re:Simple Theft

[dbIII]

Correct. However what could have happened is this.

Hungover aide comes in: "It may look like I got drunk, shagged some girl I just met and lost the Blackberry - but really I am the honest victim of an intelligence operation of such genius and cunning that it could happen to anyone".

Re:xenophobia

[Haeleth]

That's true -- at least China doesn't have 5 million security cameras.

They're working on it. And they're openly trying to go a heck of a lot further than anyone in the West.

Which is the free country again?

Given just the two choices, I think I'll go for the democratic surveillance society with strongly protected freedoms, rather than the one-party surveillance society where citizens don't even have basic rights like freedom of speech, assembly, and religion.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[MrNaz]

"According to conspiracy theorists..." ...who have since been demonstrated to be correct. Echelon's massive capability has been widely, if quietly, known for some time.

Re:technology savvy should be a job requirement

[Majik Sheff]

I think your delivery was too subtle. Slashdot's audience is so broadly distributed that the only universal humor left in brevity is a fart joke.

The UK is a security joke

[Peter Cooper]

It's no surprise that this has happened to a high ranking UK official. The state of security in the United Kingdom is absolutely pathetic nowadays, and the country deserves to be laughed at. Before we go on, yes, I'm British.

Barely a week seems to go by without a story of confidential government (or secret service) files being left on a train, on a laptop on a train, or what not. Think I'm joking? Google for "uk lost files train" to see a plethora of stories.

For more, try a search for UK lost data. This includes November 2007's leak of 25 million people's bank details, national insurance numbers (like an SSN in the US), name, birthday and address. How about December 2007's story of the DVA losing the details of 6000 drivers?

The British government is a fucking shambles when it comes to anything relating to IT (what about the £20bn wasted on an NHS computer system that barely works - with a reported 110 "major incidents" in 2006) or the secure management of data.

In the UK, any data stored by the government (which includes most of your personal information) is extremely unsafe and should be assumed to be public knowledge.

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[Richard_at_work]

Ahh, thats where you are wrong :) The jet engines that made their debut in the 1940s were not conceived or developed in a vacuum, and development of various designs had been ongoing since the 1910s, with the axial flow turbine design (what all jet engines use today) first patented in 1921. The first flight with a jet engine occured in 1938, so jet engines most certainly did exist in the 1930s :)

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[ablair]

Shut up you hoser! They will find out about our stockpiles of attractive WMDs (women of mass distraction) and our plans to release hordes of them to achieve world domination.

Oh, wait, aren't the Blackberry servers already in Canada? Maybe we'll just keep those stockpiles...

Physical Access...

[Tmack]

Not to mention...

The remote nuke option.

For me, once I report my pda lost, the boys in corp will send a command to wipe the contents of the phone and remove all settings. I believe this option also exists for blackberry.

As well initiate the self destruct code on the small thermonuclear charge.

As others stated, disabling its ability to receive said kill signal is not difficult. Past that, the other barriers to gaining the data on the device can probably be circumvented as well. 10 password fails wipes the device? They probably wont bother trying a single one on the device itself, if this is truly an organized attempt. Rather they would probably crack it open and copy the contents of its memory directly from the pins of the chips themselves, and then work from that copy. Remember, once physical access is obtained, you can bypass any software deterrences and most hardware ones as well.

Tm

Re:This seems to be a recurring problem.

[dryeo]

As a Canadian citizen (I have the papers to prove it) our Queen is Her Majesty, Elizabeth II, the Queen of Canada.
As a British subject (I have the papers to prove it) our Queen is Her Majesty, Elizabeth II, the Queen of England.
She also happens to be the Queen of quite a few other places as well.