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Neal Stephenson's "Anathem" Due In September
Alexander Rose writes "Neal Stephenson's new novel, ANATHEM, germinated in 01999 when Danny Hillis asked him and several other contributors to sketch out their ideas of what the Millennium Clock might look like. Stephenson tossed off a quick sketch and promptly forgot about it. Five years later however, when he was between projects, the idea came back to him, and he began to explore the possibility of building a novel around it. ANATHEM is the result, and will be released on September 9th, 02008." Read Rose's complete posting for more information about the release of the book, which he describes as set "in a genre bending alt-future-retro world where mechani-punk technology meets space opera in a blend of the best of Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle."
But much like a parachuting bear with a bazooka, that sounds really awesome to me.
Will he write an ending for it, or will it just sort of stop in mid-page?
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
"a genre bending alt-future-retro world where mechani-punk technology meets space opera in a blend of the best of Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle." Sounds horrific.
I read Cryptonomicon and Snow Crash and thought both were great, except for the endings. I thought the endings were rushed, as if he spent a years carefully writing each novel until his publisher suddenly showed up at his door and said "Dude, you've got 24 hours to finish this novel." I'm waiting for a specific review of the ending of this one before I decide whether to buy.
No, obviously since it starts with a zero it's in octal. Mmmmh.. except for some reason calc.exe doesn't like 8s and 9s when I try to punch these as octal numbers...
You just got troll'd!
Read Rose's complete posting for more information about the release of the book, which he describes as set "in a genre bending alt-future-retro world where mechani-punk technology meets space opera in a blend of the best of Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle."
My god, I've gone cross-eyed.
He's smoking pole. If you want some, just go to the men's room and tap your foot 3 times.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
I got two jokes for that one.
By the time you're done reading a book by Neal Stephenson, you're going to need that extra digit.
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You think that's overkill, you should see how many IP Addresses are in IPV6.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
No, it makes perfect sense, the guy is just a visionary.
Currently we only think of 4 digit years, but the guy thinks out the box and has foreseen that one day, sooner or later, probably in a few millenniums, we will have 5 digit years, and that then just like we already put a bunch of zeros for years before the year 1000 we will one day put zeros for years before the year 10000!
And allow me to blow your mind by predicting that one day we will reach 100000 and that therefore we might as well start right now writing it 002008!
You just got troll'd!
I'd be happy if the damn thing displayed dates as YYYYMMDD, because then I don't have to bother trying to figure out if it's in US (MMDD) or the rest of the world (DDMM) style.
You guys keep going with your inches, pounds and gallons bit though, I get a laugh whenever an expensive toy smashes into another planet.
The problem of Y2K wasn't that we didn't have enough extra digits reserved, but the fact that we were lopping off significant ones and storing the year incorrectly (e.g. as "99" when the actual value was 1900 off from that).
Padding years with a leading zero isn't forward-looking, it's naively self-centered, assuming that people will still be using our silly "Anno Domini" year-counting system eight millennia from now. (I mean... don't you people even watch Star Trek?)
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
But the Baroque Cycle was nearly flawless.
Having enjoyed Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon, I really wanted to like the Baroque Cycle. After trudging through the first 200 pages that practically dared the reader to continue, I gave up on it. Where was the hook that made Snow Crash and Crypto such page turners?
(and don't say page 201)
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
its the Y10K bug
mod me funny
Why would we? We don't prefix years before 1000 A.D. with a 0.
WHOOOOOSH! Oh shit, and there we go again! Now I'm going to have to explain a dozen times again how I was being sarcastic.
You just got troll'd!
in a genre bending alt-future-retro world where mechani-punk technology meets space opera in a blend of the best of Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle."
Wow. I'm already bored.
...which he describes as set "in a [...] world"
There, that's better.
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You guys keep going with your inches, pounds and gallons bit though, I get a laugh whenever an expensive toy smashes into another planet.
A native got a video of the explosion on his cell phone. You can watch it at www.youtube.mars
Search "Dumb Earthlings". It's the third entry down.
Don't worry. It's just an in-joke for those who read _and_ understood the summary.
sudo ergo sum
Stop wooshing. If that many people didn't get 'it', you had to be clearer.
Will all the leading-zero whiners please take 0.5 fucking seconds to think about what a "millennium clock" might be?
Seriously, get your act together, people. This is supposed to be news for nerds, here.
sudo ergo sum
For that matter, shouldn't it be September 09, 02008? I mean, there will come a time when we need to use days higher than 9, people!
For that matter, shouldn't it be 0September 09, 02008?
There, fixed it for you!
You just got troll'd!
Alas, I didn't win one.
While you're there, sign up for a lifetime membership, or, if you're cheap or broke, a free membership. It's only fair, since my posting this might cause all their bandwidth to be eaten up.
But this problem has already been solved in a backwards-compatible way.
See RFC 2550 - Y10K and Beyond.
Why doesn't the gene pool have a life guard?
WHOOOOOSH! Oh shit, and there we go again! Now I'm going to have to explain a dozen times again how I was being sarcastic.
000012 times??!
And allow me to blow your mind by predicting that one day we will reach 100000 and that therefore we might as well start right now writing it 002008!
No one now writes 100 A.D. as 0100 A.D. Why do you predict they'll change this in the future?
In Star Trek they in fact did use the Gregorian Calendar, as well as stardates
The days of the digital watch are numbered.
The Diamond Age had the same problem.
Reading a Neal Stephenson novel is like strapping yourself into the back seat of a converted jet trainer to tour the Grand Canyon. For a lot of people, by the time they've gotten used to dodging pillars of rock at half the speed of sound and they're really enjoying the view the pilot flips over the rim and... that's all, tour's over.
I get used to the view pretty quick, and I've come to accept the endings, so I'll be picking up ANATHEM anyway.
..."ATALAS SHRUGGED." It was very good, but not quite on par with his first novel, "THE FOUNTAINAHEAD."
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
I found out all I wanted to know from Amazon -- the book is 960 pages long. The guy still doesn't have an editor with the balls to say no. Until he finds one, I can't get too excited about a new Neal Stephenson novel.
Snow Crash was great. Cryptonomicon would have been great if he'd cut at least 300 pages of fluff. I didn't even bother with the Baroque books.
He's very self-indulgent as a writer.
A sarcasm detector, that's a real useful invention.
Do you always feel this neurotic need to control what other people talk about? You must be lots of fun at parties. "No, I wasn't talking about The Hobbit, I was talking about The Lord of the Rings! Stop introducing your own thoughts and respond only to mine! You can make a joke, but only if it's a direct continuation of mine and makes exactly the same point (whatever it was)!"
Bruce Sterling (coined the term "cyberpunk" for associate William Gibson's SF style that he imitated) promoted the Millennium Clock (Clock of the Long Now, from the Long Now Foundation) on his "eco-future design revolution" Viridian movement mailing list. We discussed it at length, but everyone missed the point.
The #1 design problem in a Millennium Clock is how to be sure that people 10,000 years from now (and along the way) will be able to "read" the clock, make sense of the clock's striking. Knowing that it's a "clock", knowing that it struck before at regular intervals, that it will strike again. "How to tell the time?" is a problem more for the uncontrolled people the clock is designed to signal, than it is for a clock that can at least theoretically be controlled from its beginnings across millennia.
Mechanical failures or 100% success is irrelevant if people as far in the future from now as we are from shortly after the end of the last Ice Age, twice as distant as the people whose ancient Egyptian and Sumerian writing is decipherable only by the most learned experts, can't recognize the clock enough that they know it's marking time.
So I proposed that we concentrate on that problem. After all, we've already got a giant, maintenance free, frictionless and durable clockwork flying around the sky every day. The Sun, Moon, Earth, planets and stars are all marking time every day. Their alignments at each year, century and millennium are evident to everyone on Earth, distinctive, and already "built". What we need to do to ensure our descendants can read any clock through the next 10,000 years is exactly the same task for inventing a mechanical clock we build and encode with time symbols, and for discovering how to use the existing "clock" (that humans have already used as timekeeper for our whole history).
Maybe we should indeed build some monuments pointing at the "clock". Maybe to indulge our current fetish for precision matter engineering in the service of information manipulation, we sould build precise models of the sky at each time the clock strikes. Maybe we should spread thousands of Volkswagen sized synthetic diamonds, into which glowing radioactive doped renderings of the sky at each "gong" are obvious to everyone. Perhaps with a "Rosetta Stone" embedded inside, showing how we presently represent those times at those gongs (eg. "00:00 January 1, 2000 AD") also embedded in there, the privilege of the builders. Perhaps we should launch satellites (redundant - 10,000 years is a long time, even in the near-vacuum of orbit), powered by solar panels, that laser down to some such markers, burning away debris that might cover them, but passing through the readable, transparent monument. Perhaps we should carve the sequence of images into a circle on the face of the Moon, so anyone can glance up and compare the century/millennia arrangements in the Lunar pictures to the sky framing it.
But building a clock that can be stolen, lost or broken, and which could easily become an unreadable enigma even if still available and moving in 10,000 years, is a distraction. In fact, our obsession with building that clock, rather than learning how to communicate with our distant descendants, shows just how important such a project is to its real goal: changing our naive approaches to longterm thinking. The failure of Version 1 of this Millennium Clock is a perfect expression of why we need to learn to devise a clock that succeeds.
We missed the 2000 AD launch of a clock that people will recognize striking in 12,000 AD (or whatever they call it then). Lucky for us, we have 992 years to figure out how to do it right before the next deadline for what could become its first consecutive strike, that 10 millennia hence people will still know was a "clock" that started "now".
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That doesn't sort chronologically, so no it's not correct. The correct ISO 8601 format is 2008-09-09. Which would be big-endian, but I think that's an incorrect use of the term.
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Stephenson's detractors are just pissy because Stephenson stops right after the climax and doesn't bother with a denouement. They're like women who complain that the guy just leaves them after he's gotten his rocks off, and doesn't stick around to cuddle so they can pick the pimples on his ass while he's dozing.
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