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Police Director Sues AOL For Critical Blogger's Name

Pippin writes "Memphis Police Director, Larry Godwin, is suing AOL for the names of the authors of the Enforcer 2.0 blog. The blog is rumored to be authored by a Memphis police officer, and is critical of the department, Godwin, and some procedures. Godwin is actually using taxpayer dollars for this and, interestingly, the complaint is sealed".

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  1. Do, Do let me be first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    with a Godwin Law violation...

    1. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe this story has Godwined itself.

    2. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Ihlosi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In an infinitely long thread, you are absolutely certain to have at least one mention of every single concept, object, philosophy and idea ever known to humanity, because of the way probability works.

      Only if the thread is irrational (just like you can find any combination of numbers in pi or e). In a nice, rational thread, you'll eventually get repetitions and the thread will loop back to itself.

    3. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hereby present you Godwin's Law 2.0:

      As the internet grows and Godwin's Law becomes more and more famous, internet discussions will increasingly refer to Godwin's Law instead of actually mentioning Nazism.

    4. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by kaos07 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did the miss the fact that the Police Director in this article is named... Godwin?

    5. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by jimthehorsegod · · Score: 5, Funny

      and I do believe JD's law states that as the length of any discussion approaches infinity the probability of someone missing a joke approaches 1.

    6. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by hostyle · · Score: 5, Funny

      "When I see professional clowns, mimes, or people who makes balloon animals, I think of their relatives and how disappointed they must be." - Jimmy Fallon

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    7. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean 'meme'. Unless there's a whole other level of slashdot interaction that I am not aware of, where people mime each meme.

      In any case, I propose a Meta-Meme-Mime Meme: I feel a great disturbance in the air, as if every slashdotter in the world suddenly mimed the meme 'whoosh'.

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    8. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      a certain George W

      No, with Bush it's a little different. I believe it's something like "The longer Bush remains in office the probability of his dying in a bunker in Germany approaches 1".

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    9. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Funny

      so then whats the law for soviet russia

      In Soviet Russia, the law breaks YOU!

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    10. Re:Do, Do let me be first.. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Funny

      only for extremely large values of 1

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  2. Send Larry the legal bill by Alain+Williams · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If Larry Godwin is using tax dollars to protect himself from embarassment then his force should investigate him for misuse of public funds, prosecute him and make him pay the bill.

    If the bloggers are leaking information that harms investigations then Larry is doing the right thing; if they are merely critical of Larry then they should be encouraged at their efforts to improve the police service.

    1. Re:Send Larry the legal bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if they are merely critical of Larry then they should be encouraged at their efforts to improve the police service.

      But that's not the American way, sue sue sue is how its done these days

  3. what? by edittard · · Score: 5, Funny

    is interestingly

    I don't know whether to be amusingly or annoyingly about the quality of the editing round here.

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    1. Re:what? by Bozzio · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/interestingly

      Interestingly.
      ADVERB

      Either there's a word missing in the sentence, or it should be rewritten:
      And, interestingly, Godwin is actually using taxpayer dollars for this. The complaint is sealed."
        - or -
      Godwin is actually using taxpayer dollars for this, and, interestingly, the complaint is sealed."

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    2. Re:what? by Stanislav_J · · Score: 5, Funny

      Grammar is for Grandmas -- it's so 20th century.....

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    3. Re:what? by clickety6 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Grammar is for Grandmas -- it's so 20th century.....

      I thought Grammar was for Grampar !

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  4. A link by miraboo · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:A link by BPPG · · Score: 5, Informative

      They make some pretty serious allegations in this blog. Including possible murder cover-ups and tolerance of rampant sexual harassment directed at females in the police force.

      I'm not sure I really believe everything I'm reading here, but if much of it is true, then I can see why the MPD would want to shut them up.

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    2. Re:A link by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's not true, then it's probably libel, then the blogger should be stopped.

  5. Anyone else over the internet? by kaos07 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't actually think there's anything intrinsically "technological" about this story, be it the fact that there's an anonymous whistle-blower or that the boss is trying to hunt him down, except maybe the amount of people the blogger it could reach. But, and yes I know this clearly is not the case, the Internet was supposed to free us and allow us to share knowledge and information freely and that includes opinions. Since that obviously is no longer here (If it ever was), I think it's time to find or create something else.

    1. Re:Anyone else over the internet? by kaos07 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The interesting part is that unlike a news paper the company hosting the site doesn't have a great financial interest in free speech.

      Actually, they do.

      Bloggers don't want their opinions and views to be silenced by "the man". If AOL gets a reputation as a company all too willing to help hush-hush bloggers (The people who bring traffic and revenue to their site), they'll experience a backlash.

    2. Re:Anyone else over the internet? by Stanislav_J · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then, obviously, you get the expected three replies to each of those posts and the thread exponentially drifts more and more off-topic until the initial point is lost amongst a haze of Natalie Portman's and gritz.

      But "Natalie Portman's [sic] and gritz [sicker]" is the whole reason why I visit Slashdot.

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    3. Re:Anyone else over the internet? by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Free speech in Europe? Try promoting Nazism in Germany. Try denying that the Holocaust happened in Austria. Try insulting Ataturk in Turkey (okay, let's not argue whether or not Turkey is in Europe).

      Free speech is more free in the U.S.

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    4. Re:Anyone else over the internet? by rah1420 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now, Grasshopper, THAT's a true demonstration of how Godwin's law works. :)

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    5. Re:Anyone else over the internet? by howlinmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The outrage of the public over the Dixie Chicks is the perfect example of free speech, not an example of censorship. The DC were free to sing their song, and the public was free to react and let them know that it wasn't well received.

      Please tell me where the government stepped in to curtail anyone's free speech rights in that situation?

      (Hint: censorship is carried out by governments, not the public)

  6. Great idea. by AhabTheArab · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because all you have really ensured is that the blog will get a decent amount of free publicity.

    1. Re:Great idea. by kaos07 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Godwin's Law meets the Streisand Effect? Meme Meltdown!

  7. You've missed something important by Drenaran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, what you say is true, but you forget that this America! We are KINGS of misappropriating funds to defend politicians and law enforcement, and our legal system is all for supporting such practices (since it helps protect them as well). Screw what is right, what about the status quo!

    Yes, this statement is perhaps pandering, but it's also painfully true (dammit).

    1. Re:You've missed something important by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't know why people keep subjecting Status Quo to American culture. They're a great British rock group and should be left that way.

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    2. Re:You've missed something important by Elldallan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes dictatorships and their like tends to be much better at misappropriating funds for personal interest but US is a democracy and thus subject to higher standards on matters like these.

      Modern dictatorships usually exists to enrich the dictator but democracies claims that they exist to protect the general population and hence your comparison is not very fitting.

    3. Re:You've missed something important by smoker2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "but democracies claims that they exist to protect the general population"
      Yeah "protect" like in the phrase "protection racket".
      Besides which, democracy is not designed to "protect" the general population - it is designed to allow governance that is representative of the majority's wishes. No "protection" or safety inherent in that. The police aren't there for your safety, they are there to catch criminals. The military aren't there for your safety, they are there to protect the government from outside aggressors.
      This repeated tagging of government activities as "for your safety" is a load of bollox, and leads to interception of your communications, categorisation of certain groups of people as undesirable, and a virtually unlimited line of credit from your pocket.

    4. Re:You've missed something important by wellingj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The way the constitution and the amendments was designed was supposed to protect individuals against the majority rule of government. Mistaking that for "protect you, for your safety" is the single largest misconception that the USA has, and it's killing the once fine form of government we had.

    5. Re:You've missed something important by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes dictatorships and their like tends to be much better at misappropriating funds for personal interest but US is a democracy

      Actually, no it isn't. The US is a republic, not a Democracy. It isn't even a democratic republic; if it were, before any bill became law it would have to be voted on my the citizens.

      We have "almost" democratically elected legislators. I say "almost" because we are more of a plutocracy than a democracy; usually the candidate with the most money to spend on his campaign wins. This allows the corporates, who own the media, to marginalize all but two of the political parties and "contribute" to those two, making whoever wins beholden to them.

      I truly wish we were a democratic republic, where nobody could contribute to more than one candidate in any given race, where nobody could contribute to a candidate he wasn't eligible to vote for, where all laws expired after ten years and had to be relegislated, and where no bill became law unless voted on by the citizens.

      I'd like to be rich, too, but that's about as likely to happen.

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  8. Anon blogs may be best way to curtail abuse by SloWave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Though most policemen are good people, I've heard stories of various 'Rambos' and other scummy types in police departments that would give the Zimbabwe PD a good run for the money. Most of these abuses are not reported by other cops because of guaranteed retribution. We need the anonymous blogs to get this crap in the open and dealt with. This case needs to be unsealed (public office after-all) and dealt with fairly.

    1. Re:Anon blogs may be best way to curtail abuse by Downside · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Though most policemen are good people... Most of these abuses are not reported by other cops because of guaranteed retribution

      In my book, that makes those "other cops" bad policemen.

      We need the anonymous blogs...

      Or more Policemen that respect their badges and what they stand for?

  9. No. by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The correct action is to give Larry Godwin as much rope as he wants. Record everything. Document everything. Ensure this pooled information is made accessible to the blogger somehow - someone'll know who it is. People who are upset make mistakes. Pushing them deeper into their paranoia and neurotic state of mind will cause them to make bigger and bigger mistakes. It's not entrapment, as nobody is making Mr Godwin do anything illegal, they're not even suggesting it. It would be his choice, with the alternative being to back off. He has total free will. Once he has done something openly illegal, provided immunity doesn't cover him, arrest him for it.Even if immunity did cover him, this is election year and politicians aren't going to want to leave a loose cannon in a public position. He'll be removed from office.

    The result will not be a court decision (which never helps anyone) but will give whistleblowers additional measures they can take.

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    1. Re:No. by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The correct action is to give Larry Godwin as much rope as he wants

      Not with tax money. The city council has a fiduciary duty to the people of Memphis to keep this asshole from wasting their money litigating over his hurt feelings.

      -jcr

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  10. What's all the fuss about? by omuls+are+tasty · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's signed!

    Posted by Dirk Diggler MPD

    ;)

  11. Links by Morosoph · · Score: 5, Informative

    I notice that they haven't even linked the blog directly.

    Does anyone care about the stories, or it it just "another libertarian story that they'll love"?

    Granted, it wasn't hard to click through from the article, but it's not as if blogspot as going to get slashdotted, and free speech needs examples, not just meta-waffling.

  12. Police need protection from the police by unlametheweak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So now the police need protection from the police. The privacy issues which they seek to deny civilians in the pursuit of justice they will adamantly defend for themselves. Of course there is a difference between Managers and Employees, but the symbolism is striking.

  13. Re:just flame a little more carefully by speedtux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everything I ever say is either my opinion (what else should it be?) or it is the opinion of someone else,

    And it is your responsibility to make the distinction when you speak:

    "He committed this illegal act." (Implies "in the opinion of the people making up the legal system", which is the opinion that counts.)

    "I believe he committed this illegal act." (In your opinion, which probably doesn't count.)

    "The NYT reports that he commited this illegal act." (The NYT opinion, let them worry about it.)

    That's what it's all about: tell your audience whose opinion it is. That's your responsibility.

    Most statements imply whose opinion it actually is if you don't qualify them, and it's often not the speaker's.

  14. What's the sound... by Tsar · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...of a joke going over over a mime's head?

  15. Re:Larry Godwin is an African-American. by brkello · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you should be modded flamebait instead of interesting. While your post IS interesting, it isn't for the right reasons. You are flamebaiting liberals and you don't really make much sense. Let me explain...

    The first problem with your post is that you haven't even seen the blog in question. I am assuming this is the case since you use words like "if" when you describe the grammar and spelling. So you are just guessing at this point which is kind of strange. Also, you are stereotyping that white people can spell and black people can't. I guess I don't really have that stereotype in my head, but let's assume that that is accurate and the stereotype exists for some statistically significant reasoning. I could counter that stereotype by saying that most of the cops I know don't really care about their spelling or grammar regardless of their race so I fail to see how that would be so telling to you.

    What's even more interesting to me is that you then post a story that has less to do with race and more to do with poverty. Did the public housing have a majority black population? Probably. But the section8 people all had poverty in common, not race. A black doctor living in a neighborhood is probably not going to cause the crime rate to go up in that area.

    So, from all this I think you are probably racist. That's a harsh word to throw out there but that is the only reason I would think that you would associate race with your quoted article and also jump to conclusion about the Slashdot article without even seeing the blog.

    As far as the liberal jab goes...what you wrote didn't bother me at all. Liberals see poverty as a large problem and are actually trying to address it. The section8 projects sounds like it didn't solve the problem (I don't know this for sure since we don't know if the overall crime rate went down or if crime went from being more concentrated to being more distributed). The crime rate may have gone up in new areas, but maybe those kids had a chance at a better education and it actually improved things overall. At least people are attempting to solve the problem. Republicans just want to help the rich because this supposedly passes the wealth on down to everyone else since they crate jobs etc etc trickle down economics garbage. Unfortunately that just tends to concentrate wealth and cause more poverty. And as the wealth becomes more concentrated at the top, there is less money for the middle and lower class to purchase with, thus harming an American's buying power and his/her ability to shop thus harming the economy. This stuff can be argued back and forth, but that is another side of that argument. I think having some rational social programs is humane and beneficial to the economy. To try to help and fail is better than to not try at all (as long as we are trying to learn and improve). Republicans (neo-cons) are a complete failure since they don't even hold to their conservative mantra. They just borrow and spend which is worse than any liberal Dem would do. I wouldn't mind Republicans if they actually cut spending and reduced taxation as it would help my bottom line. But they don't do that and just put us in huge deficits. So I have to be for the Dems. The redistribution of wealth (as inefficient as it is) is better than throwing the money in to stupid wars and a rising deficit. Hopefully the Republicans can find their conservative roots again...it doesn't seem like the Libertarians will be able to be a factor in this election where it seems like the true conservatism still lives. (wow, that went way out there but at least it has plenty of topics to discuss!)

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