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Practical Jetpack Available "Soon"

Ifandbut was one of several readers to point out the arrival in Oshkosh of the first practical jetpack. It was invented by a New Zealander Glenn Martin, who has been working on the idea for 27 years. He plans to sell the gizmos for somewhere in the neighborhood of $100K. While previous attempts at jetpacks have flown for at most a couple of minutes, Mr. Martin's invention can stay aloft for half an hour. Both "practical" and "jetpack" may need quotation marks, however: The device is huge and it's incredibly noisy. And, "It is also not, to put it bluntly, a jet. 'If you're very pedantic,' Mr. Martin acknowledged, a gasoline-powered piston engine runs the large rotors. Jet Skis, he pointed out, are not jets, and the atmospheric jet stream is not created by engines. 'This thing flies on a jet of air,' he said. Or, more simply, it flies."

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  1. Huh? by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFS concedes this is neother "practical" nor a "jet pack", yet still trumpets the headline "Practical Jetpack Available 'Soon'"? Well, I guess all it needs is a line at the end saying, "Ha -- made you look!".

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    1. Re:Huh? by Emperor+Zombie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but "Impractical Not-Really-A-Jetpack Maybe Available Sometime" doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?

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    2. Re:Huh? by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's an editing error. The original submission was "practical" "jet" "pack" "available" "soon".

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    3. Re:Huh? by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To be honest, I definitely would be interested in a story titled "Impractical Not-Really-A-Jetpack Maybe Available Sometime" - it's just too odd to pass up. Now be honest: who here wouldn't have thought "What the...?? Lemme see what's this all about."

      BTW, I really like the word "pantaloons". But, I am easily amused - even "trousers" makes me smile.

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    4. Re:Huh? by grahamd0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd feel sufficiently menaced by villains flying in on those things as to call them "practical" in the super-villainy market.

      Of course they'd have to come in black... and a laser beam would be a nice option.

    5. Re:Huh? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

      IMHO it's "very practical", in the sense that how practical can strapping your ass to a 200-hp gas engine with two washing machine-sized rotors really be?

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    6. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It brings to mind the Ogden Nash rhyme:

      A child does not have to be very clever
      to realise that "soon" means "never".

    7. Re:Huh? by vikstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They get around the whole 'jet' naming problem by saying that 'This thing flies on a jet of air'. Yep, and I love my home latpop computer, it's so super... so it's a supercomputer.

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    8. Re:Huh? by Deadfyre_Deadsoul · · Score: 2, Funny

      I for one would like to heartily welcome our soon to be, yet oh so impractical and semi over priced jetpack wearing overlords.

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    9. Re:Huh? by decoy256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like they said in the article... the first manned flight was a whopping 12 seconds long and probably wasn't very "impressive"... but I bet you'd still like to have been at Kitty Hawk. The point is that this is a great first step towards practical personal flight. While it may not be practical right now to own one (100k is out of my price range), how expensive were the first PCs? Now they're dirt cheap. I really can't stand all the whiners on /. who down play everyone else's achievements... what was the last thing you invented? Jackass. Honestly, you people get more excited about some obscure scientific discovery that won't have any practical applications for decades and yet something that is tangible and available NOW is just pissed on. Get real and get a life.

    10. Re:Huh? by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 2, Funny

      This baby is a fully loaded supercomputing* monster!

      * term may only apply to regions trapped between the years 1950 to 1980.

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  2. Needs stability control by eggfoolr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lucky the $100k includes a couple of guys to hold it for you!

    I suspect he either needs a fly by wire computer that manages stability or a third fan. Either way I think we're a wee way off from a production model.

  3. Finally, something for my Flying Car by Onetus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excellent, now my mechanic will be available to get to my flying car (which is also coming "soon") no matter where it is.

  4. I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... welcome our hearing-impaired jetpack flying overlords.

  5. My news is far more important! by Channard · · Score: 5, Funny
    I have succesfully created working artificially intelligent android!

    Okay, so it's not so much an android as a small two foot tall robot.

    And by 'robot'.. I mean a cat wearing a cardboard box.

    ------------------ See! I can make my inventions sound grandiose by making things up, too!

    1. Re:My news is far more important! by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      And by 'robot'.. I mean a cat wearing a cardboard box.

      We kan haz pitchers, or DO NOT BELEEV!

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  6. Didn't the myth busters try to make one and failed by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't the myth busters try to make one and failed at it?

  7. I Read TFA ... And Lawled by strelitsa · · Score: 5, Funny

    In June 1997, seven weeks after the birth of his second child, Mr. Martin figured his prototype was now powerful enough to lift its first flier, so long as that person weighed less than 130 pounds. So he turned to his wife. "I said, 'Hey, Vanessa, what are you doing tonight?"

    Mrs. Martin agreed to be her husband's levitating guinea pig.

    ...

    She said she felt, in a way, that she had conquered it - "the taming of it, that's so exciting." It was, she said, "probably the best experience of my life."

    Doesn't say a lot about being married to Mr. Martin or Mr. Martin's prowess in the sack, does it?

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    1. Re:I Read TFA ... And Lawled by Slacksoft · · Score: 5, Funny

      Never know, she could have joined the 3-feet high club with Mr. Martin ....

    2. Re:I Read TFA ... And Lawled by WK2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The following would have been better:

      In June 1997, seven weeks after the birth of his second child, Mr. Martin figured his prototype was now powerful enough to lift its first flier, so long as that person weighed less than 13 pounds. So he turned to his wife. "I said, 'Hey, Vanessa, where's baby?"

      The now ex Mrs. Martin said, "No. I don't think so."

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    3. Re:I Read TFA ... And Lawled by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      Never know, she could have joined the 3-feet high club with Mr. Martin ....

      What you mean one jetpack each? I am not sure they are designed for...in flight refueling.

  8. Pedantry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It is also not, to put it bluntly, a jet. 'If you're very pedantic,"' Mr. Martin acknowledged, a gasoline-powered piston engine runs the large rotors. Jet Skis, he pointed out, are not jets, and the atmospheric jet stream is not created by engines.

    Certainly one is permitted a bit of license in terminology. In fact, if you really get down to it, Jet Li is not actually a jet either.

    1. Re:Pedantry by shadwstalkr · · Score: 4, Funny

      The New York Jets, Joan Jett, Jet The Band, and Jet's Pizza are also not jets. Jet Blue and The Jetsons are under review. Jet Clampett is a misspelling, and Jethro Tull doesn't understand the question.

      Are we finished here?

  9. Jet Packs & You by Manip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The concept of a personal flying machine (e.g. Cars, Bikes, Jet Packs) is two fold at the moment.

    1) Energy / Power (inc. Storage & Delivery)
    2) Safety

    Now I'm going to assume for the sake of this post that we could solve the second one if it was viable to do anyway.

    The real kicker is really energy. We need a very rich energy source that is cheap, light, small in volume, and safe.

    We can often tick two or three of those boxes but no energy source comes remotely close to hitting all four. Hydrogen for example is light, small in volume, but there are questions over safety and cost.

    If we invented some kind of completely safe energy source that had the energy output approaching a nuclear reactor and weighted very little we could be in flying cars within a few years.

    But frankly such dreams are far off.

    1. Re:Jet Packs & You by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hydrogen's not really all that small in volume, actually. Joule-for-joule it takes up much more space in gasoline, even when you start getting into bulky cryogenic compressed storage. Chemical or physical storage is getting there, of course, but isn't a serious option yet, and you run into the problem of gravimetric energy density. You don't want to weigh down your vehicle with fuel.

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    2. Re:Jet Packs & You by lennier · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Hydrogen for example is light, small in volume..."

      No, actually, that's exactly wrong. Being light by definition means it is NOT "small in volume". It takes a huge volume of H2 in room temperature gas form to store a similar amount of energy to a heavier molecule. The volume problem is why it's a pain to store unless you go to cryogenics, hydrides, or other complicated systems.

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    3. Re:Jet Packs & You by rcw-work · · Score: 2, Informative

      The concept of a personal flying machine (e.g. Cars, Bikes, Jet Packs) is two fold at the moment.

      1) Energy / Power (inc. Storage & Delivery)
      2) Safety

      Why, again, does this need to be something you carry on your back instead of something you step into?

      Gyrocopters can be made very small, they can land almost vertically (and in a controlled manner with the engine out), the ones with pre-rotators and collective controls can take off near vertically (the ones that can only do the former need only a few hundred feet, the ones that can do neither need less than 1000 feet), they'd be a lot quieter, reasonably fuel-efficient, and less dangerous than any incarnation if this thing, which would fall like a rock on engine failure. Some of them even qualify as ultralights which means that no pilot license is needed for them.

    4. Re:Jet Packs & You by Sibko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hydrogen for example is light, small in volume, but there are questions over safety and cost.

      Actually, Hydrogen is light, huge in volume, very safe, and inexpensive. There's a reason it was used to fly blimps, you know.

      And before someone goes around throwing the hindenburg in everyone's faces, keep in mind that it was painted with rocket fuel, and that more than half the people on board survived the crash. The same cannot be said for your average airplane.

      What gets me though, is that in the face of a personal flying machine that flies around in a video, and is capable of doing so for half an hour, you go on about how personal flying machines aren't possible. Flying cars are known as Helicopters, and your average person could likely afford a hot air balloon. Personal flying machines are everywhere - from cessna's to hang gliders. They're just not as ubiquitous as automobiles, nor as practical for getting around.

  10. $100k? by giminy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Consider the total cost of a private pilot's license is about $10k, and the cost of a used Cessna 172 can be had for about $50k in great condition (which, keep in mind, can carry four people, or 2-3 people with some gear, pretty comfortably), I think that the jetpack would have a hard time selling.

    I suppose that there could be some niche market for this sort of thing though...though even a well-equipped Harley costs significantly less than many cars still.

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    1. Re:$100k? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you kidding?
      First, I'd love to ahve one of these, assuming it worked as promised.

      Second,... ah crap, I don't know, I just want one.

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    2. Re:$100k? by avandesande · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someobody that is going to buy this isn't to buy it in place of a cessna.... it's an expensive toy, albit a very expensive one.

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    3. Re:$100k? by hellwig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This should classify as an ultra-light, meaning there's no pilot's license necessary, and you aren't tied-down by most of the traditional FAA regulations. Second, try taking off or landing a Cessna in your driveway.

      If you want to talk impractical, look at the Segway. The thing costs over $5000 (USD), and for what, cause you're too lazy to walk somewhere, or too uncoordinated to ride a bicycle? Why not buy a moped for a hell of a lot cheaper?

      This will fall into the same niche market as the Segway. People with too much money and nothing better to spend it or their time on.

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    4. Re:$100k? by chinakow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who are these mythical 4 people who fit in a 172? I guess if two of them are small children then yes, but no luggage! :-) A pilot and me in a 172 on a day that is over seventy degrees and the pilot starts thinking about how much fuel he can have and still get off the ground. Also that niche is called Genral Aviation or GA for short. You also didn't mention that a brand new 172 costs one hundred and twenty thousand dollars ($120,000). Did I mention that air conditioning adds another $20,000? I went and looked at light sport aircraft a couple weekends ago. None of those where under $100K and LSA is supposed to be the category that gets the general public interested in aviation again. Raise you hand if $100 is less than your yearly income. $100k has been the line for upper class for a long time and here in fly-over country it certainly still seems like a good mark. So the price of this jet pack seems rather reasonable to me. If it is truly under 255 pounds and carries less than 5 gallons of fuel it would also qualify as an ultralight and not need to be certified which would make it more approachable because the pilot would not need to be licensed as a pilot either. I just looked at your link, none of those under $50k planes list engine time. Don't forget to factor another $20k for the engine rebuild as well. Notice that the new planes are listed at ~$200k. Good luck with your 172. I will spend my imaginary money on a jet pack! :-)

    5. Re:$100k? by rcw-work · · Score: 3, Informative

      Second, try taking off or landing a Cessna in your driveway.

      Unless your driveway is in the sticks, you'll only be able to take off and land this thing there once. After that, the neighbors will have taken out restraining orders preventing you from operating it near them.

    6. Re:$100k? by giminy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who are these mythical 4 people who fit in a 172? I guess if two of them are small children then yes, but no luggage! :-)

      Note that I said, "can carry four people, or 2-3 people with some gear" The jetpack can carry just one person with little to no gear.

      A pilot and me in a 172 on a day that is over seventy degrees and the pilot starts thinking about how much fuel he can have and still get off the ground.

      Interesting pilot. I used to fly with my housemate who belonged to an aero club. We took Cessna 150s and 152s out, which are a lot less powerful than the 172. He did say that I slowed his plane down a lot (I weighed 200 pounds then :_)), though it wasn't a big deal getting airborne or even that big a deal for pleasure flying, concerning fuel weight. We always topped off the tank before taking off...

      I just looked at your link, none of those under $50k planes list engine time.

      You should look again. Almost every plane lists engine time since major overhaul as well as total airframe time. Like this one, this one, this one. Only a small minority do not list time since overhaul...

      Anyway I don't think I would ever buy a plane, unless I was starting an aero club or plane cooperative. Aero clubs aren't too expensive (a lot less than buying and maintaining my own aircraft, anyway :)).

      Reid

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  11. Murderer by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    My neighbors can't even handle driving SUVs, but the roads are full of them (and the hell they've made of driving among them).

    Turning these people into missiles with jetpacks is a great argument for prioritizing personal force field research.

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    1. Re:Murderer by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      They will only be a problem for a little while. Mistake will weed them out very quickly.
      In the mean time, stay indoors.

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  12. Jetpack?!? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Informative

    How high off the ground does a vehicle need to get before it is no longer considered a hovercraft? I don't think this vehicle has ever reached that altitude. "If you can fly it as 3 feet, you can fly it at 3000 feet" is bullshit, if I understand something called "ground effect" correctly.

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    1. Re:Jetpack?!? by cervo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From TFA: "Only 12 people have flown the jetpack, and no one has gained more than three hours of experience in the air. Mr. Martin plans to take it up to 500 feet within six months. This time, he said with a smile, he will be the first."

      In the article it said that the height was limited to allow people to practice at lower altitude. And I think I recall the limit being at 6 feet so far. This statement appears to be about learning to control it at 3 feet before trying to take it 3000 or in the case of the test 500 feet.

      There's a good chance soon we'll have a more sensational article about a 500 ft flight soon. Hopefully it won't be part of an obituary.

    2. Re:Jetpack?!? by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends entirely on how much excess power it has. If he's hovering at 6' off the ground at 75% throttle, it's a pretty good guess he'll be able to go much, much higher. If he's at 90% throttle at 6', I would seriously doubt 3,000' would be possible.

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    3. Re:Jetpack?!? by IdeaMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ground effect applies to airplanes, helicopters and of course hovercraft.
      I would expect the effect would be much less on this craft given that it has much less surface area than a hovercraft or helicopter.
      So yeah, get at least 7 times your width up before you claim free flight (which earlier poster said there are videos of).

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    4. Re:Jetpack?!? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ground effect applies to airplanes, helicopters and of course hovercraft.

      Ands rockets. Lunar module pilots had to either cut their power or throttle right down to land on the moon. Ground effect was significant over the last couple of metres.

  13. Re:Didn't the myth busters try to make one and fai by hellwig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, but they worked in TV time, which meant they had a week before the producer got bored and told them to do something else. This guy has been working 27 years, so I wouldn't doubt he put a little more effort in over that time.

    Besides, the mythbusters fail to reproduce a lot of things, even when they know before hand it's not really a myth but actual fact.

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  14. Gasoline?!? by tb()ne · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, thanks. I'm waiting for a hybrid or electric jet pack before I buy. One has to be practical about buying a jet pack, given today's gas prices.

  15. Re:Didn't the myth busters try to make one and fai by mjensen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes. Couldn't lift itself off the ground, let along a 180lb pilot.

    That said, they also added a lot of structural integrity (mass) before the first flight, that they possibly could have done after first flight to check the limits.

  16. I think you mean... by Samah · · Score: 3, Funny

    A "Jitpeck"?

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  17. Re:Jet Packs Are Still Hype! by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wrong jetpack. This is the one tfa talks about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyb6vnX1My0

    It barely gets off the ground too though

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  18. That's no jetpack... by elynnia · · Score: 3, Informative
    ...that's a a ducted fan. As fancy as they are, making a personal flying device out of one was just a matter of improving the power-to-weight ratio.

    Although, having read the article, that may be much more simple than an actual jet-engined jetpack for the time being.

    -Aly.

    1. Re:That's no jetpack... by bencoder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Personal flying machines using ducted fan's were about back in the 50s as military projects, but scrapped because they were ultimately too impractical as combat vehicles :( imagine what the tech might have been like today if they had commercialised the projects :(

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VZ-1_Pawnee

  19. MythBusters by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looks like he succeeded where the MythBusters failed. The device looks pretty much identical to the one they built.

  20. Nope, there's a backup by localroger · · Score: 3, Informative

    The existing device includes a ballistic recovery system, basically an explosive-launched parachute that you deploy when something goes wrong. The main trick with that is to be flying high enough for the parachute to deploy and float you down. It's a common thing in ultralight aircraft and probably accounts for a lot of the cost. Most ultralight fatalities occur because the failure occurred too low for the BRD to deply, or it fouled in a propeller or something.

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  22. Re:Didn't the myth busters try to make one and fai by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I remember the episode correctly, the point of that particular myth wasn't so much whether they could build a working "jetpack," but specifically, if they could do so using some instructions they found on the internet which claimed a person could successfully do so with inexpensive, commonplace parts. What they found was that the instructions were too vague to serve as anything more than guidelines, and even after going over budget to get better quality parts, their machine still had an unacceptable thrust-to-weight ratio and so could not fly with a human passenger.

    While they "busted" the feasibility of that particular set of plans, they didn't really attempt to rule out a jetpack altogether. With the resources for proper parts, and the time for proper testing, it's undoubtedly possible to build a working jetpack/rocketbelt/ducted fan harness thing. The issues with personal flight systems have not so much centered around possibility as practicality.

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  23. Sold Separately by Kaptain+Kruton · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are the 3 people moving him around the field in the video included in the $100K price tag, or are they sold separately?

  24. Not shark by TheLink · · Score: 2, Funny

    Flying Kiwi with lasers.

    He's from NZ after all.

    Anyway it doesn't look very practical at all - the two guys hardly ever let go of the thing.

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  25. Not necessarily by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The old style peroxide jetpacks don't require fly by wire control because just like this one they have the centre of gravity BELOW the exhausts so the pilot is effectively dangling down beneath. All that would happen if he let go of the controls is that it would probably weave around a bit at random but its unlikely to go upside down or completely out of control.