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ABA Judges Get an Earful About RIAA Litigations

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "I was afforded the opportunity to write for a slightly different audience — the judges who belong to the Judicial Division of the American Bar Association. I was invited by the The Judges Journal, their quarterly publication, to do a piece on the RIAA litigations for the ABA's Summer 2008 'Equal Access to Justice' issue. What I came up with was 'Large Recording Companies vs. The Defenseless: Some Common Sense Solutions to the Challenges of the RIAA Litigations,' in which I describe the unfairness of these cases and make 15 suggestions as to how the courts could level the playing field. I'm hoping the judges mod my article '+5 Insightful,' but I'd settle for '+3 Informative.' Here is the actual article (PDF). (If anyone out there can send me a decent HTML version of it, I'll run that one up the flagpole as well.)" Wired is helping to spread the word on Ray's article.

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  1. All that needs to be said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are a hero.

    1. Re:All that needs to be said by Maximalist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, everybody has to make money. As a lawyer who has had a couple of RIAA cases referred my way, I can honestly say that there is no upside at all to taking the cases and doing any fighting in court. The costs of doing discovery and filing responses in the court will add up quickly enough that the defendants better option is just to pay the settlement and be done with it.

      Even if there was a chance that the defendant would prevail, they'd be in a deeper hole than if they settled. And the RIAA has demonstrated that they'll fight an award of attorney's fees for a defendant, making any eventual payout years down the pike.

      If I didn't have student loans that needed regular payments, and the ordinary costs of living, taking on one of these cases and fighting tooth and nail seems like a worthwhile thing to do. But I can't afford to do it.

      We should be glad that NYCL is fighting this fight, and God bless whoever is paying him (or if he's been successful enough in his practice up to this point to be bankrolling it himself.)

    2. Re:All that needs to be said by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

      He gets paid to submit articles to Slashdot?

      Don't I wish.

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  2. Thank you for your efforts. by jx100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are greatly appreciated.

    1. Re:Thank you for your efforts. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll second that! I'll never need this info personally, but feel this is for a greater good. The voice of NYCL is a breath of fresh air compared to the hostile assholes who are waging a war on potential customers and anyone who gets in their way. To bring some fairness to the people who are getting railroaded by the RIAA and their draconian tactics is a very, very good thing. Doing something helpful for someone you may never meet is commendable.

      Thank you, count.

      I'm a Sudoku fan myself.

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    2. Re:Thank you for your efforts. by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think we need a -1 asshole option

      Honestly, this doesn't make it 'easier' to do, this makes it more just to people. Regardless of your position on downloading music, you can't sanely argue that it's right that someone pays upwards of 2000 times what the damage is; there is no 'deterrence' feature to these rulings, as it is a civil matter. In fact, the only point of such rulings is retribution and punishment; there is no legal basis, as far as I am aware, for allowing civil rulings to include a deterrence factor.

    3. Re:Thank you for your efforts. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

      music thieves and the large Internet criminal element do thank you, NewYorkCountryLawyer

      Is that you, MediaSentry? I didn't know the internet criminal element were posting in this thread.

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    4. Re:Thank you for your efforts. by Speare · · Score: 5, Interesting
      My favorite bit of advice,

      Some courts have made pronouncements to the effect that the court does not "understand the technology" well enough to make the dismissal determination, and that therefore the determination should be made after completion of pretrial discovery. I submit that, if the court does not understand the technology well enough, it means that the plaintiffs have not pled their claim well enough and their complaint should be dismissed.

      Thanks, NYCL.

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    5. Re:Thank you for your efforts. by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say the larger the settlement the less deterent it is.

      If I were charged $50 per time getting caught I would probably be petrified. If I were charged $10,000,000,000 per time I would just view it like dieing "hopefully it won't happen but if it does it's pretty much over."

      The lower the fine the more likely they are to be able to pass sweeping legislation which makes it easier to charge people. If downloading were like parking tickets and as easily enforceable then I think you see a much larger drop in piracy than threatening to sue millions of dollars.

      It's like "disaster syndrome" your brain can't quantify the damages so it just gives up and ignores it all together. My brain can perfectly understand $50 and its effect on my wallet.

    6. Re:Thank you for your efforts. by penix1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ummm...Then how do you explain this:

      http://p2pnet.net/story/3773

      In its biggest cock-up yet, the Big Music cartel's RIAA has sued a dead woman who didn't even own a computer....

      A choice line form that same article...

      "I am pretty sure she is not going to leave Greenwood Memorial Park (where she is buried) to attend the hearing,"

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  3. Judges, Justices, or Department of Justice? by alexhmit01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Department of Justice (DOJ) is an executive branch department (Wikipedia Entry). The judicial system is made up of Judges at most levels, and justices are the supreme court level. To laymen, that distinction it one of terminology, not job (though they don't judge cases the same way a trial court does, and the terms have some meaning.

  4. Re:you're doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's a 12 year old girl doing in center field?

  5. Re:Hey NewYorkCountryLawyer by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Saw your pic. I thought you were younger!

    I used to be much younger. But that was quite a while ago.

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  6. Admissable by hellwig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IANAL, so when I read the 15 common-sense suggestions a lot of them seemed to me to be things the Judge should be doing anyway (hence the common-sense part). It sounds like because the defendant isn't able to hire a fully-competant lawyer who would be able to request these things automatically, the judges are allowing the over-paid RIAA lawyers to subvert basic court procedure, at the cost of justice for the defendant. I assume that when Ray is defending someone against the RIAA, he is following his own suggestions.

    This is the problem with the court systems in America. We use things like precident instead of common sense. Judges are too scared to make decisions that aren't supported by the actions of other judges (though someone had the balls to set the precident in the first place). Common lawyers are too inept or lack proper experience to understand the rights that their clients have as defendants in a civil suit (the old movie cliche of a worthless public defender comes to mind here).

    I understand common-sense is something most people don't have anymore, but when my life or livelyhood is at stake, I would hope the person defending me has a little.

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  7. The suggestions from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    By all means, RTFA, as the following will be put into absolutely needed context, but here are the suggestions themselves:

    Suggestion 1. Be alert to misjoinder in "John Doe" cases.
    If a court is presented with a "John Doe" case that joins more than one defendant, under well-settled principles the case should be dismissed as to all John Does except John Doe number one. Plaintiffs should be ordered to show cause why they should not be held in contempt of the November 17, 2004, order of the district court in Fonovisa v. Does and subject to Rule 11 sanctions. And because there will likely be no defendant's counsel present, the court should read the plaintiffs' response with a critical eye.

    Suggestion 2. Require in personam jurisdiction and venue.
    If a court is presented with a John Doe case that fails to set forth detailed factual allegations of the basis for venue and for in personam jurisdiction in that district, the action should be dismissed.

    Suggestion 3. No ex parte motion practice.
    Nothing should be granted ex parte unless it involves an order providing for meaningful notice of the motion for discovery to be afforded to the John Doe and to the ISP. The order should state that the ISP is to be provided with a full set of papers for transmission to the John Doe, and should provide ample time from the Doe's receipt of such papers, consistent with the court's usual practices for motions on notice, to respond. These should include everything a defendant is normally entitled to receive under the court's usual rules and practices, including the summons and complaint, all of the motion papers, and the court rules, notices, and other materials supplied to defendants.

    Suggestion 4. Make explicit the legal authority upon which discovery
    applications are permitted or rejected.

    Justice will be well served if a court is able to take the time to scrutinize the statutory basis invoked for each discovery application, cite the authority supporting its rulings, and deny discovery applications on their merits if they are not warranted by existing statutes or case law.

    Suggestion 5. Scrutinize John Doe pleadings and evidence without being intimidated by technology jargon.
    The complaint, of course, affords the opportunity to ensure that plaintiffs have validly pleaded a copyright infringement claim and that the evidence is admissible and covers all elements of the claim. It is easy to be overwhelmed by impressive-sounding technical and pseudo-technical jargon. Allow me to observe that if the court and the court's law clerks and law secretaries (many of whom are "digital natives") do not understand the case, that may be a sign that the plaintiff has none.

    Suggestion 6. Carefully evaluate motions to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
    Careful evaluation of a complaint's sufficiency on a motion to dismiss may ultimately spare defendants significant and unwarranted hardship. A court, therefore, should stay all discovery while the motion is pending, and, if it denies the motion, certify the order denying the dismissal motion for an interlocutory appeal.

    Suggestion 7. No routine consolidation or "related case" treatment.
    A court need only follow traditional principles for consolidation and "related case" treatment. There is no need to create a special exception for these plaintiffs. Where the defendants are unrelated to each other, their cases are unrelated to each other and should be treated as such.

    Suggestion 8. Keep discovery short and sweet.
    If, and only if, the plaintiffs can muster an evidentiary showing that their case has merit and that the defendant committed copyright infringement, then the court may allow (1) a deposition of the plaintiffs; (2) a deposition of the defendant; and (3) an examination of the hard drive by a mutually agreeable independent neutral forensics expert whose fees will be advanced by the plaintiffs and will be treated as a taxable disbursement to ab

  8. Re:Question for NYCL... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My understanding is that the RIAA downloads from their victims, then sues them for making those files available.

    That's exactly right. Pretty pathetic, isn't it?

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  9. Interesting... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FTA: Only a single case in four years, Capitol v. Thomas,11 has ever gone to trial, and that one only because the judge denied the defendant's attorney's motion for leave to withdraw.

    The possible reasons behind this interest me:

    1. The defendants knew they were guilty and just decided to settle, or:
    2. The defendants realized that, guilty or innocent, it's just cheaper to settle, and possibly:
    3. Those with the resources to stand up to the RIAA find that - with the exception of the above case - they're all bark and no bite.
    4. Which means that while you might not be able to avoid being sued by the RIAA, it isn't likely that you'll actually get to trial. Which futher implies that:
    5. The RIAA is using the courts to run an extortion racket.

    It seems that only the most unconscionable, reckless, and irresponsible corporate officers would authorize settling a debt for pennies on the dollar, yet this is exactly what the likes of Vivendi, Sony, etc... propose with their settlement offers. For this to be a legitimate debt, the CEOs of said corporations are breaching their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders.

    I'm wondering if I could buy stock in Sony and sue the CEO for devaluing the company's assets. After all, if downloading really does cost several hundred thousand dollars per infringer, why are they settling for a few thousand?

    I'm waiting for them to get sued under RICO.

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  10. Never mind that AC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ladies and gentlemen, I have uncovered a plot! A fiendish plot that undermines the very foundations of Slashdot itself!

    Notice how Ray Beckerman goes out and defends people against the RIAA, to win the hearts and minds of Slashdotters. Then he uses that goodwill to get stories published from the firehose, onto the front page. What happens next is the really fiendish bit: he posts a series of comments on the article, whereupon the moderators invariably mod them up to +5.

    Can't you see what he's doing? It all fits: Ray Beckerman is a karma whore! This is a bigger conspiracy than twitter and his sock puppets!

  11. Sweet piece of writing, mate by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So you Yanks do keep the odd clear thinker around?* Good job, that. Bloody good job. I just hope the judges read the end notes too - there's a lot of good content in there, may ultimately be as useful to the process of achieving fair treatment as your well-crafted suggestions.

    I may be a wee bit out of your jurisdiction but I maintain the appeal to fairness and reason presented in your paper holds universal appeal.

    (Shakes head, walks away whistling.)

    *Yeah, deliberate troll, on the basis that you're allowed to insult your friends. Deal.

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  12. I'd like to point out... by Il128 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The RIAA has sued and settled with innocent people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_efforts_against_file-sharing#Criticism The RIAA has been criticized in the media after they subpoenaed Gertrude Walton, an 83-year-old grandmother who had died in December of 2004.[94] Mrs. Walton stood accused of swapping rock, pop and rap songs. The RIAA in 2003 attempted to sue Sarah Seabury Ward, a 66 year-old sculptor residing in Boston, Massachusetts. They alleged that she shared more than 2,000 songs illegally. The RIAA dropped the suit when it was discovered that she was a computer novice. The case was dismissed, but without prejudice. In a Brooklyn case, Elektra v. Schwartz,[95] against RaeJ Schwartz, a Queens woman with Multiple Sclerosis, the RIAA's lawyers wrote to the Judge that they were in possession of a letter in which "...America Online, Inc., has confirmed that Defendant was the owner of the internet access account through which hundreds of Plaintiffsâ(TM) sound recordings were downloaded and distributed to the public without Plaintiffsâ(TM) consent.â After the defense received a copy of the letter, it turned out that the letter merely identified Ms. Schwartz as the owner of an internet access account, and said nothing at all about "downloading" or "distributing".[96] The RIAA has also been criticized for bringing lawsuits against children, such as 12 year old Brianna LaHara in 2003.[97] The RIAA also attempted to sue Candy Chan of Michigan, for the alleged actions of her daughter, 13 year old Brittany Chan. Under the threat of a possible defendant's motion for summary judgment and attorneys fees, the RIAA withdrew the case Priority Records v. Chan.[98][99] When the court ruled in favor of the mother, dismissing the case, the RIAA proceeded to sue her child. However, prosecuting a minor is more difficult; the Michigan federal court required the RIAA to make provision for a guardian ad litem to be appointed to protect the interests of the child, and required the RIAA to be responsible for paying the guardian ad litem. The RIAA failed to submit a workable proposal, and the Court dismissed the case. The RIAA recently sued the 16-year old son of Patti Santangelo[100] and as of this writing is attempting to force a 10 year old girl in Oregon to be deposed (she would have been 7 years old at the time of the alleged infringement)[101]. The RIAA has also filed a lawsuit against a woman who has never bought, turned on, or used a personal computer for using an "online distribution system" to obtain unlicensed music files.[103] This occurred again in the Walls case; "I don't understand this", said James Walls, "How can they sue us when we don't even have a computer?".[104] The RIAA filed a lawsuit against Larry Scantlebury, a man who had passed away. They offered the deceased man's family a period of sixty days to grieve the death before they began to depose members of Mr. Scantleburyâ(TM)s family for the suit against his estate.[105]

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  13. Re:Well done by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, it's called "being a good attorney".

    No, it's really fucking not! Attorneys are also "officers of the court," and have the responsibility and obligation to uphold proper court procedure. The RIAA's lawyers are absolutely failing in their duty to the court, and should be sanctioned for it!

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