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House Dems Turn Out the Lights On the GOP

Politico is reporting that while GOP leaders opposed a motion to adjourn the House, the Democrats have closed up shop and even turned out the lights. While the lights and microphones have since been turned back on, it makes for an amusing mental image and possibly even a few dark YouTube video spoofs. "Only about a half-dozen Republicans were on the floor when this began, but the crowd has grown to about 20 now, according to Patrick O'Connor. 'This is the people's House,' Rep, Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.) said. 'This is not Pelosi's politiburo.' Democratic aides were furious at the GOP stunt, and reporters were kicked out of the Speaker's Lobby, the space next to the House floor where they normally interview lawmakers."

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  1. Wow, that's mature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's great that C-SPAN covers kindergarten now.

    1. Re:Wow, that's mature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What? You think *talk* of drilling brought oil down $20? Really? You mean it wasn't the fact that the economy is falling like a rock, unemployment is up and that for the first time in memory americans actually drove less?

      It was talk about drilling?

    2. Re:Wow, that's mature by stinerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tell people you are drilling and yeah, the oil won't enter the stream for 10, 15 years but the speculative properties alone will drop crude by another $20 or $40, easy.

      That is, and I'd hope you agree, completely irrational.

      If you were an oil trader and knew that if we started drilling today and that oil wouldn't get used for another 10 years, why in God's name would that affect your bidding on contracts for September delivery?

  2. The motion to adjourn passed... by stinerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm missing the story other than Boehner and gang are trying to make a fuss about nothing.

    The motion to adjourn passed, so the Speaker banged the gavel and they went home. Am I supposed to think that the Democrats are somehow disregarding the rules of the House and refusing to let Republicans speak?

    1. Re:The motion to adjourn passed... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently Republicans have forgotten that they're in the minority now (an easy mistake to make, considering how Democrats have spent most of the last two years on their knees). Republicans have also apparently forgot how THEY treated Democrats when they were the majority (forcing them out of hearings, refusing to debate bills, shutting down Democratic filibusters, etc.)

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  3. That's not all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary didn't state everything. Pelosi was trying to stop a vote concerning foreign oil drilling. The REP's are currently mad and speaking to the public who have gathered in the upstairs gallery, arguing (one-sided, of course) their concerns and solutions for rising gas and energy prices.

    1. Re:That's not all! by stinerman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not bringing up votes on bills that the Speaker doesn't like is very standard practice and has gone on for decades.

      Any bill can be brought to the floor by 1/2 of the House via a discharge petition. Republicans apparently don't have the votes to bring the bill to the floor over the objections of the Speaker.

  4. Didin't the GOP do this too by clonan · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I recall in 2003 the GOP chair of a committee refused to allow the Democratic members of the committe to speak, ignored a motion to continue the hearing and stormed off WITH the gavel in hand...all this beacuse the dems wanted to call some witnesses for testimony.

    I forget the details but google knows all.

  5. Re:Republican grandstanding by rossz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if the offshore drilling is allowed it will be many years before we see any benefit from it

    That was their excuse ten years ago. It would take ten years to see any benefit, so why bother?

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  6. Re:Republican grandstanding by NiceGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then I guess the vote could wait a few weeks without the economy imploding yes?

  7. Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You didn't need to cheapen your post with the silly, biased commentary.

    "It may work. If the Democrats did this, the media would be happy to portray them as whiny little losers who didn't know when to go home. (Which would basically be accurate.)

    But since it's Republicans doing it, the media -- including Slashdot, in this case -- will find amusement in what the Dems "did" to the GOP."

    Seriously? You think the media and slashdot have republican bias?

  8. It's called speculation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oil prices are high because speculators think future supply will be low. If we drill, speculators may think future supply will be higher. This will lower current prices even though the oil won't be immediately available.

    1. Re:It's called speculation... by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speculators aren't idiots and know exactly how little oil is in the US reserves. Which still doesn't explain the sneaky and underhanded antics of the conservatives. Having the lights turned out on them is exactly what they deserve, they shouldn't try to sneak in and enact legislation while everyone is on vacation.

      Maybe those people that I elect and pay shouldn't be on vacation while I'm looking for second job so I can pay for the gas to get to my first job!

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    2. Re:It's called speculation... by JoeFromPhilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What differentiates a fair profit from an outrageous one? If a gallon of gas is worth $4, why not sell it for that much?

    3. Re:It's called speculation... by altinos.com · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of the 40,000 active oil fields in the world, not one of them is refilling itself.

      Geochemist Says Oil Fields May Be Refilled Naturally http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE3D91530F935A1575AC0A963958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

    4. Re:It's called speculation... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you're going to do "Conservative math" and divide quarterly profit by annual revenue, you're going to come up with whatever numbers you want, like inany Republican economic analysis.

      If you leave out a $290M Exxon-Valdez settlement (pennies on the dollar owed, and a onetime charge on decades of legal operations), Exxon actually profited $11.97 BILLION. Annualize that number, and you get $47.88 BILLION profit. Of about $404.55 BILLION 2007 revenue, that would be about 11.8% profit. On such a huge, global operation, with retail prices hitting all kinds of ceilings (like people forced to decide to skip food, healthcare or gas/heat), that is a fabulous profit rate on a fabulous amount of revenue. More than 5% profit on such huge revenues would still be fabulous. Especially when the rest of the US economy, that these giant revenue extractions are strangling, is shrinking and failing.

      Now, if you want to go for Conservative economics gold, just suggest something irrelevant like "Wal-Mart is #2". Congratulations!

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  9. Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt by CorporateSuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe when the country is headed full-force into a recession, it's not time for a 5-week vacation when there are laws to be passed. It's time to roll up the sleeves and get to work. The United States isn't ok right now. It's fragile and crumbling. Those elected officials want to spend their August kicking up their shoes when unemployment is at an all-time high?

    The Republicans are acting childish. It reminds me of what I would see in highschool when the teachers would strike -- but the Democrats are running away from the problems that need to be solved. It's their job, and it's not done yet, so they deserve no recess in August, no matter how long they've planned it. This isn't a retail job at Wal-mart where the company will be ok if one worker leaves for 6 weeks.

    But after everything is said and done, after seeing at least 4 major laws passed that grossly violate the constitution in the last 2 weeks, it's almost a reprieve to see them out for a few weeks. The only reason I'm sure they don't use the constitution as toilet paper is because some of them would actually read if that were the case.

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  10. on topic? by owlnation · · Score: 5, Insightful

    News for Nerds... er, ok.. how is this?

    Were the lights turned off by robot running linux?

    Seriously editors, the best way to compete with Digg is not to compete with Digg. People will come.

  11. There's a rationale to this by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Elected representatives are supposed to remain in touch with the districts they represent. Having them remain in Washington, D.C. 11 and 1/2 months a year makes it difficult to do that.

    Not, of course, that every representative uses his or her vacation time to keep in touch with his or her constituents, mind you. But that's part of the point, at least.

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  12. Crude Oil is an appreciating asset by jayveekay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The value of crude oil has gone up considerably in the last 10 years. All the oil that was not pumped out of the ground under the U.S. and burned in the last decade is now much more valuable, and if you can avoid pumping and burning it for another 10 years then it will be still more valuable.

    Given that Americans are handing huge bills to future generations, including a $10 trillion debt and another $80 trillion in unfunded liabilities (Medicare, Social Security), it is nice that some valuable resources can be passed on too. It is unfortunate that many Americans seem to think "If we don't drill and burn this crude oil now, *I* won't benefit from it! Drill Drill Drill, Burn Burn Burn! It's MY crude oil and I want to BURN it NOW!"

  13. Unwashed Masses? by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The point is that more drilling isn't a fix. More drilling in the US will provide a relatively small amount of oil which will delay our energy problems for months, maybe a few years at best."

    More drilling alone isn't a fix by itself, but it's patently stupid and dishonest to say that more oil in the supply line won't help prices.

    "The Republicans are putting on a show today because it looks good to the unwashed masses, but getting their drilling won't solve our energy problems."

    I notice that, to liberals, when the issue is liberal and popular with Americans, then they're a great and wise people, righteous in their anger at the Republicans. But when the issue is conservative and supported by Americans, they're stupid unwashed masses.

    If you were really concerned about us solving our energy problems, you'd actually let us solve them. We've got plenty of ways to do it... more drilling, more shale, more coal to gasoline, more nuclear... liberals just don't like those options. What you're really mad about is that we won't do it your way... with nothing but biofuels and electric cars.

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  14. Re:Actually, look it up... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, because Newt Gingrich and Dennis Hastert were *SO* well-known for their kind-hearted efforts to make peace with the opposition party and affect bi-partisan legislation. Nope, no heavy-handedness with those guys.

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  15. Yes I can by Woundweavr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Changing a bill after it had been passed

    One aspect of the pending FBI investigation centers on Young's role in securing a $10 million earmark in the $286.5 billion highway bill passed in 2005. The earmark, which was inserted in the bill after final passage by the House of Representatives and Senate, was for a study of a highway ramp sought by a Florida real estate developer. At a fundraiser while on a trip to Bonita Springs, Fla., to inspect the site, Young received more than $40,000 in donations.

    Holding open vote

    CBS News correspondent Bob Fuss reports there was chaos on the Hour floor as Republican leaders passed the bill by holding a five-minute vote open for almost 50 minutes until they could convince two Republicans to change their votes.

    They buttonholed lawmakers for last-minute lobbying as Democrats complained loudly that the vote should be closed. Finally two GOP lawmakers switched from "no" to "yes," giving the bill's supporters the margin of victory.

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    It is against House rules to keep a vote open in order to alter the outcome.

    a recorded vote by electronic device shall not be held open for the sole purpose of reversing the outcome of such vote.

    "Abusive holds" is difficult to quantify but I'd point towards Tom Coburn's extensive holds.

  16. Re:Cancel vacation to pass more laws? by pugugly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's always congresses fault when the wealthy or conservatives go broke.

    contrawise

    When democrats, the poor, or liberals are having issues, it's due to our lack of personal responsibility.

    Didn't you get the Memo?
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